Nuance: Ohio Secretary of State sitting on 200,000 “mismatched” voter registration forms

posted at 7:11 pm on October 15, 2008 by Allahpundit

Ace is all over it. Does that mean all the forms are fraudulent? No. Does it mean the ones that are fraudulent are necessarily going to be converted into fraudulent votes? No. Does it mean the Democrats are rather curiously incurious about hundreds of thousands of problem forms on the rolls, especially given their perennial shrieking about elections being fixed and especially in light of all the media attention devoted to ACORN lately (Ohio ACORN in particular)? Why, yes, it does. And the best part is Brunner insisting on the one hand that there’s not enough time to check all these mismatched forms while on the other fighting tooth and nail in court to drag out the litigation and give the county election boards as little time as possible to comply.

Between the secretary’s office and the county boards, Brunner said, efforts will be made to notify the voters of the discrepancy and urge them to update their information. Brunner will also follow that up with a directive to the counties urging them not to force people to vote provisionally. She said that could set up yet another Republican challenge, but that federal law does not require a person with mismatched information to vote provisionally, as opposed to getting a regular ballot.

Provisional ballot voting is often the most problematic and confusing form of voting. A Plain Dealer review found that 20 percent of the provisional ballots cast statewide for this year’s Republican and Democratic presidential primaries were rejected because some part of the complicated process was not properly followed and thus the person’s vote was not counted.

I’m still skeptical that there’s a mechanism in place capable of converting bogus registrations into bogus votes, especially on a mass scale, but the boss is doing her level best to change my mind.


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I wonder if they’ll transfer mine to another county again this year.

- The Cat

MirCat on October 15, 2008 at 7:13 PM

Every democrat complaint is simply them projecting.

lorien1973 on October 15, 2008 at 7:14 PM

Both the post by Michelle and the post by Ace are great. No one does outrage better then Ace, imho.

Spirit of 1776 on October 15, 2008 at 7:15 PM

Seriously, imagine the shreiking and political fallout if ACORN was fraudulently registering conservatives and giving ciggies out to vote McCain.

Imagine if an (R) was behind Brunner’s name.

PBoilermaker on October 15, 2008 at 7:17 PM

Imagine if an (R) was behind Brunner’s name.

Yeah. It’d get nuclear coverage.

Allahpundit on October 15, 2008 at 7:18 PM

Look for Brunner to get a cozy position if Oburka wins. If Ohio goes blue it’s because of Brunner. I’m voting Palin!

ohiorebel on October 15, 2008 at 7:19 PM

So, how come nobody’s doing the perp-walk?

Iblis on October 15, 2008 at 7:19 PM

From Rush’s Tuesday show…

Exhibit A – There Is Indeed A Mechanism In Place To Convert Bogus Registrations into Bogus Votes…

RUSH: Pittsburgh, this is Carol. Great to have you on the EIB Network. Hello.

CALLER: Yes, Mr. Limbaugh, I’m a first-time caller, and it’s an honor to speak to you.

RUSH: Thank you very much.

CALLER: I wanted to let you know that in the last couple of elections I volunteered in Lawyers for Bush and one of the essential points that is being missed by the media, although you actually brought it up right before the break is that ACORN, by increasing the raw numbers, is increasing the number of available votes. And just as you indicated, that it doesn’t matter whether or not these newly registered voters actually show up, at the end of the night, when the polls are closing, they just vote those people as Democrats.

RUSH: Now, tell me how this happens? Because we all believe here that people working the polls have no affiliation, that they’re all nonpartisan, they may vote themselves, but I mean they’re volunteers, we don’t envision that kind of cheating going on. We’re aware that it might happen here in there, but you’re making it sound like it’s pretty universal where ACORN is involved. How does it happen?

CALLER: Well, I don’t think that it’s actually necessarily ACORN that does this. What it does is that by ACORN allowing there to be a greater number of raw voters, the people who actually run the polls can then vote the people at the end of the night. So what happens is that –

RUSH: So the Democrats need to have Democrat poll workers in there as a majority of poll workers working in order to pull this off.

CALLER: That is actually a reality in the city of Pittsburgh, and for a sizeable amount of Pennsylvania, I believe, and so what happens is that in the inner cities, you do have a high number and predominantly Democrat poll workers. And they’re actually — I think they have — they’re elected, you know, in their own area, but then poll workers who volunteer for the various campaigns then are permitted to go in and oversee what is happening at the polls. But at the end of the night, what happens is that the — for instance, the Lawyers for Bush or the Lawyers for McCain simply don’t have enough people who are there and available to actually oversee the close.

RUSH: Well, at the same time you’re going to have, for example, in this instance you would have Obama-Biden lawyers already there because they’d be called in with all the chaos.

CALLER: Well, that’s true. And what I can tell you is that the poll workers actually take people into the voting booth, and they show them what to pull. I saw it with my own eyes. I can tell you, our job as Lawyers for Bush was to oversee the poll volunteers who were working for the Bush campaign. And they were just checking to see who’s showing up and, you know, to find out whether the Republican voters were coming in and whether the election laws were being followed. So you’d make sure, for instance, that the absentee voter list was posted on the walls and the Democrats actually elected officials who were there. And there might be one Republican there, but it was predominantly Democrat. They did not want you there. They did not want you looking at the wall to make sure the absentee voter list there was. And it must be posted so that if that voter actually shows up to vote, that then they’re not permitted to vote. And that was not what was happening. In fact, what happened was that the lawyer for Kerry would come in and actually they were threatening to call the police. We were not doing anything to interfere with any actual voting, but we were asking the elected poll workers whether or not appropriate procedures were being followed.

uncivilized on October 15, 2008 at 7:22 PM

*rushes over to see giant headline on NY Slimes site.*

*returns*

MrScribbler on October 15, 2008 at 7:22 PM

And why isn’t mccain running ads on this?

Obama = Acorn

It needs to be pounded into peoples’ heads.

lorien1973 on October 15, 2008 at 7:23 PM

It’s amusing (well, it’s sad, actually) that when confronted with this, that the people at ACORN or their apologists – with a straight face – claim that this is not voter fraud. Right. This is the mechanism of voter fraud. People can go to vote and if a fraudulent name is on the list and they commit the other half of the fraud, then they have accomplished what they set out to do. Voter fraud.

While driving home, I scanned the radio and caught doctor Maddow on Air America where she not only regurgitated the ‘can you believe the aye holes at the GOP and right wing, white racists, who are trying to steal the election by accusing the good folks, blacks and minorities, by using this BS about voter fraud.’

The other thing she puked out was the the same evil white GOP racists right wing cretins were planning is blaming freddie mae and fanny mac, poor, innocent blacks and minorities, with the current housing and credit problems we have now. So any attempt to lay the actual blame on the people who caused this mess – the democrats who facilitated, the community activists who threatened banks to issue bad loans to people who couldn’t afford them and the actual people, blacks and minorities, who took the bad loans and then promptly defaulted on them when they couldn’t make the payment —– any attempt to speak the truth is — you got it, racism by the evil republicans.

I tried to grade her on a curve, but the BS meter went into the brown, and I’m not going to try to spin a reasonable observation out of this cesspool of the left’s logical turd.

wise_man on October 15, 2008 at 7:24 PM

This country is rotten the core . . . our votes don’t even count. Without the right to vote and have it counted you no longer live in a Republic or a democracy. The seeds of chaos are being spread by the left.

rplat on October 15, 2008 at 7:24 PM

That is actually a reality in the city of Pittsburgh, and for a sizeable amount of Pennsylvania, I believe, and so what happens is that in the inner cities, you do have a high number and predominantly Democrat poll workers. And they’re actually — I think they have — they’re elected, you know, in their own area, but then poll workers who volunteer for the various campaigns then are permitted to go in and oversee what is happening at the polls. But at the end of the night, what happens is that the — for instance, the Lawyers for Bush or the Lawyers for McCain simply don’t have enough people who are there and available to actually oversee the close.

Yeah, someone sent that last night. If the poll workers themselves are that crooked, then (a) a massive DOJ investigation is desperately needed, and (b) they don’t really need ACORN or bogus forms. If they’re that crooked, they’ll simply fix the machines or misreport the vote totals.

Allahpundit on October 15, 2008 at 7:25 PM

cheaters

custer on October 15, 2008 at 7:26 PM

As you and others have said before, it may not be about converting them directly to bogus votes, but rather about wrenching the system sufficiently that “activists” (read: lawyers) can threaten, cajole and mau-mau their way to an O victory.

Hannibal Smith on October 15, 2008 at 7:27 PM

I’m still skeptical that there’s a mechanism in place capable of converting bogus registrations into bogus votes, especially on a mass scale, but the boss is doing her level best to change my mind.

What mechanism is in place capable of discerning fraudulent votes cast from bogus registrations from legitimate ones after the fact except for provisional ballots?

If the bogus registrants aren’t identified in advance there’s no way to know who should get a provisional ballot. If someone is registered 20 times under different names and addresses and not identified in advance, what stops them from voting 20 times when requiring a photo ID isn’t required (since that would be racist and all)?

Hollowpoint on October 15, 2008 at 7:27 PM

As of the last election, it was permissible in Philly to have a polling place in a private home. It can’t be in a party official’s, but you know how they get around that.

Local Fox news went to one place where they would not let any GOP pollwatchers in. Some guy in charge came out and said no GOP watchers were needed, as everyone voted Dem. When asked how he knew this, he replied, “Because I tell them too.” Didn’t ever hear of any official action on this.

Or why voting machine that were suppsoed to have been cleared and secured were opened on election day and found to have hundreds of votes already counted on them.

Wethal on October 15, 2008 at 7:30 PM

You haven’t seen anything until you’ve been a poll worker in Ohio. I still wake up screaming in the middle of the night. ( I was a volunteer 12 years ago)

ohiorebel on October 15, 2008 at 7:30 PM

And the best part is Brunner insisting on the one hand that there’s not enough time to check all these mismatched forms while on the other fighting tooth and nail in court to drag out the litigation and give the county election boards as little time as possible to comply.

Like I said, they weren’t submitting bogus forms for their health. She didn’t block their investigation for her health either. The idea that these forms forms, and those not yet checked by voting day were ever going to be excluded from the roles is naive at best.

What do people need, 200,000 bogus forms dropped on their heads from the top of the Empire State building to wake up and see the forest through the trees?

TheBigOldDog on October 15, 2008 at 7:30 PM

So, how come nobody’s doing the perp-walk?

Iblis on October 15, 2008 at 7:19 PM

That’s a damn good question.

CP on October 15, 2008 at 7:31 PM

And I simply do NOT understand the problem of having to show ID before voting, for exactly this reason.
Don’t tell me that the poor don’t have (or can’t get) ID cards. You have to have identification to sign up for food stamps, Medicaid, income-based housing, etc. If you can manage an ID to get Medicaid, surely you can manage one to vote.

uncivilized on October 15, 2008 at 7:31 PM

Allahpundit on October 15, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Allah true, but in many State, the polls workers ARE higher via the State/City etc and can lose their jobs.

My State doesn’t have volunteers, because they do not want the problems like the lower 49 who do use volunteers. If they are a employeer, working for the State (the Feds pay back the State for these part time employees)… they are also not Union and can be fined, sent to jail etc. That is why this is done this way. I have a feeling there were problems before.

upinak on October 15, 2008 at 7:32 PM

This is just swell, vote fraud on a grand scale.

To destroy democracy, destroy confidence in the electoral process.

tarpon on October 15, 2008 at 7:33 PM

uncivilized on October 15, 2008 at 7:22 PM

Yep, good old fashioned ballot box stuffing has gotten lost in all the discussion of early voting, same day voting, absentee voting, and busing of voters around town for multiple votes.

It’s really pretty simple. In the most corrupt precincts in places like Lake County and Philly – they beef up the rolls with dubious registrations and then have partisan poll workers cast the votes.

On the night of the Indiana primary, I think it was Bob Beckel who admitted that Lake County officials asked him “how many votes do you need?” when Bob called on behalf of a Democrat’s campaign asking about the returns some years ago.

You really gotta be pretty gullible to think that many thousands of bogus registrations are not converted to actual votes for the Dems – heck, Bob Beckel even admitted it.

forest on October 15, 2008 at 7:33 PM

Hey, it worked for Raila Odinga. He lost the election but after a bunch of violence he’s the Prime Minister of Kenya.

The Cloward-Piven Plan is to overload the systems to show that they can never work. The free market can’t work and democracy can’t work. They’re proving their case in one fell swoop this year.

This is the time when we find out if America has the common sense to survive, or if post-modernism mush will destroy everything that’s worked up until now. America is on trial. If this can be happening right in front of our faces and America isn’t willing to hear and see it, then we deserve everything we will most certainly get with Obama.

The real dilemma is whether to fight another Civil War in order to keep America alive.

justincase on October 15, 2008 at 7:33 PM

200,000… No wonder she doesn’t want to do anything.

And they keep claiming it’s just a few, nothing to see here.

That’s like Minnesota democrats telling the taxpayers that it’s only 3 cents on each dollar, just to make you feel better about a tax increase. It’s just too small to matter (except when you spend $500).

13Girl on October 15, 2008 at 7:34 PM

“WELLLL , at least count my vote for Las Vegas city council!!!!”

– Tony Romo

battleoflepanto1571 on October 15, 2008 at 7:34 PM

We are so screwed.

All those years of liberal chickens heading roostward.

We tried to accommodate the legitimate rights of the “disenfranchised,” but that wasn’t good enough. No, we had to grant special privileges, waive rules and sanitize the law books lest matters of simple honesty and honor become “racist.”

Now we are told to accept that Soviet-style manipulation of the electoral system is good because it is for Osama Obama, Mr Affirmative Action himself.

You want to see racism? Look ahead a year or two, when the general public realizes how massively we’ve been hoodwinked and bamboozled — and by whom — and reason, in their overly simplistic way, that it’s black people’s fault and not the fault of one arrogant, inexperienced loudmouth, friend of traitors, felons and race-hustlers and his co-conspirators of all colors.

MrScribbler on October 15, 2008 at 7:34 PM

Allahpundit on October 15, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Dude, it’s a lot easier, and harder to detect when you have a a number of bogus voters on the rolls that you simply use as needed at the end day to give you the result you want. It’s the way Boston has been run my entire life. Don’t you remember articles about the number of dead that voted in different areas? This is a way around that little problem (now that people actually check sometimes).

TheBigOldDog on October 15, 2008 at 7:35 PM

AP writes: “I’m still skeptical that there’s a mechanism in place capable of converting bogus registrations into bogus votes, especially on a mass scale, but the boss is doing her level best to change my mind.”

AP, since you do NOT seem to be naive,

PLEASE TELL US ALL HERE just WHY a group (ACORN) would go to the trouble of submitting hundreds of thousands of false voter registrations IF THEY DID NOT INTEND TO USE THOSE REGISTRATIONS TO SUBMIT FALSE VOTES?

Lockstein13 on October 15, 2008 at 7:35 PM

Dear Uncivilized,

The identification you refer to for food stamps and the like is often STOLEN. That is why the dems do not want to verify voter info now or ever. Their base has something to hide.

I sure wish we could go to the purple thumb.

InTheBellyoftheBeast on October 15, 2008 at 7:37 PM

AP, just in case you aren’t already planning to, I’d like to ask you to do us a solid and give us a separate open thread for the debate aside from the Ustream one. It kills refresh rates. Thanks.

Spirit of 1776 on October 15, 2008 at 7:37 PM

If the Declaration of Independence is The Tree of Liberty, then ACORN is the thorn of a potential tyranny.

(McCain should quote me.)

profitsbeard on October 15, 2008 at 7:38 PM

Lockstein13 on October 15, 2008 at 7:35 PM

Because AP assumes that they’re a fundamentally honest, if overtly partisan, organization, or at least are constrained by law to remain mostly honest, until he gets proof that they aren’t. He’s reflexively skeptical of conspiracy theories.

spmat on October 15, 2008 at 7:39 PM

AP, just in case you aren’t already planning to, I’d like to ask you to do us a solid and give us a separate open thread for the debate aside from the Ustream one. It kills refresh rates. Thanks.

Spirit of 1776 on October 15, 2008 at 7:37 PM

Yes, please!! The Ustream thread always shuts my browser down…

uncivilized on October 15, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Can people from other states rally for the impeachment of Brunner before the election? This is a NATIONAL SECURITY issue. It’s the business of every American.

justincase on October 15, 2008 at 7:40 PM

I’m sure that part of the strategy in these purple swing states, is to flood the system with so many fraudulent registrations that some percentage will have to make it onto the rolls, just from the volume of it.

RBMN on October 15, 2008 at 7:41 PM

Nuance: Ohio Secretary of State sitting on 200,000 “mismatched” voter registration forms

No…waitaminute…she’s sitting on them…

Maybe she’s just keepin’ them warm…

uncivilized on October 15, 2008 at 7:42 PM

I really think purple ink may be the only way to go.

Otherwise it really may be time to break out the tar and feathers.

ClintACK on October 15, 2008 at 7:42 PM

You want to see racism? Look ahead a year or two, when the general public realizes how massively we’ve been hoodwinked and bamboozled — and by whom — and reason, in their overly simplistic way, that it’s black people’s fault and not the fault of one arrogant, inexperienced loudmouth, friend of traitors, felons and race-hustlers and his co-conspirators of all colors.

MrScribbler on October 15, 2008 at 7:34 PM

Granted, but how do you think the “we are so screwed” will manifest itself?

InTheBellyoftheBeast on October 15, 2008 at 7:43 PM

I read the Boss’s post, and one of the “Vote from Home” dudes, Daniel Hemel, got a Social Studies degree from Harvard. That proves that these left-wing universities are teaching outright communism/socialism. More like Socialist Studies.

I’m sure his parents are thrilled at what their money paid for.

m064404 on October 15, 2008 at 7:43 PM

I posted this at Ace’s but I’ll post here too…

These Dems have no idea what kind of fire they are playing with here. Let’s see just how much power the government will have when nobody believes election results. Even the perennial accusations of voter fraud from the Dems is damaging…but stunts like this seriously threaten to tear down the fabric of our system of government. It destroys the faith the system requires and, I fear, threatens very real violence.

JohnTant on October 15, 2008 at 7:43 PM

MrScribbler

BTW, I like your rhetorical style.

InTheBellyoftheBeast on October 15, 2008 at 7:44 PM

And America sends people overseas to ensure fair elections. Amazing!

OldEnglish on October 15, 2008 at 7:48 PM

AP, since you do NOT seem to be naive,

PLEASE TELL US ALL HERE just WHY a group (ACORN) would go to the trouble of submitting hundreds of thousands of false voter registrations IF THEY DID NOT INTEND TO USE THOSE REGISTRATIONS TO SUBMIT FALSE VOTES?

Lockstein13 on October 15, 2008 at 7:35 PM

This is my question…kinda…They are doing this for a reason…What is the reason??? I think the closest thing I can come up with is that woman that called into Rush today…I would make sense that if you were going to have crooked poll workers casting illegal ballots…you couldn’t exceed the number of registered voters…

I also don’t find it out of the question that all these stew bums and street walkers they are buying off to register will end up ‘voting’ whether they actually show up to do it in person or not….

This whole thing really sucks my ass….

BigWyo on October 15, 2008 at 7:49 PM

Photo ID and Purple ink for all.

Wade on October 15, 2008 at 7:50 PM

but the boss is doing her level best to change my mind.

Seeign as this fraud is originating in part in New York I am calling the FBI office closest to me which is in Buffalo to investigate. This is interstate voter fraud which is a federal crime.
THIS ELECTION IS BEING STOLEN FROM THE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AND THOSE WHO ARE ELECTED TO PROTECT US ARE DOING NOTHING!!

theguardianii on October 15, 2008 at 7:51 PM

And America sends people Jimmy Carter overseas to ensure fair elections. Amazing!

OldEnglish on October 15, 2008 at 7:48 PM

Wade on October 15, 2008 at 7:51 PM

I’m tired of cursing the darkness.

I’m striking a match.

Joan of Argghh on October 15, 2008 at 7:55 PM

From Ace. What more proof do you need?

There’s a goddamned website facilitating this fraud — telling you who is willing to claim you live in their house, and which states you should be fraudulently signing up to vote in.

FBI? Hello? FBI?

TheBigOldDog on October 15, 2008 at 7:57 PM

I hate to tell you this, but Mexico has a better system for voting than does the USA. Sad to say but true. First, every citizen MUST have a Voter Registration card, and the number on that card serves as an ID for all government business. The card is issued by the Federal Government, not by the individual states.

The card has your photo, thumbprint and signature sealed in plastic. When you get to your assigned poll, you find a roster with the same information waiting, to match your card with the roster. When you get your ballot, your card is “punched” at a specific place, and once punched, is no longer valid for that specific election.

Each poll can have 512 voters in their list, or they open a secondary polling place.

The system is not foolproof, but it certainly make cheating a lot harder. I saw it firsthand, and it worked smoothly. We’re far behind in this country.

kenprice on October 15, 2008 at 7:57 PM

kenprice on October 15, 2008 at 7:57 PM

Our system is corrupt on purpose. It is by design.

TheBigOldDog on October 15, 2008 at 7:58 PM

kenprice on October 15, 2008 at 7:57 PM

Ps – it came to blood enough in Latin America that they had to restore some confidence in the system. The same could happen here.

TheBigOldDog on October 15, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Wade on October 15, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Oh, well, that’s different. Carry on. :)

OldEnglish on October 15, 2008 at 8:00 PM

Yeah, someone sent that last night. If the poll workers themselves are that crooked, then (a) a massive DOJ investigation is desperately needed, and (b) they don’t really need ACORN or bogus forms. If they’re that crooked, they’ll simply fix the machines or misreport the vote totals.

Allahpundit on October 15, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Surely you can see how much easier cheating would be if there are extra registrations on the books. They don’t have to “fix machines” or misreport numbers with no actual votes to back up the numbers.

All they have to do is check off “Joe Blow” as if he actually came in to vote, and then cast his vote. It would stand up to recount, and there would have been no trail of any kind or machine tampering. The key is to have plenty of registrations to work with. All the extra registrations also help avoid ridiculous turnout numbers that would be a “red flag” for cheating. It would look pretty suspicious if a precinct had 95% turnout – no problem if you have tons of extras in the books.

forest on October 15, 2008 at 8:04 PM

And the (Democrat, of course) Secretary of State in NM, Mary Herrera, has printed up three million ballots (for 1.1 million registered REAL voters) and appointed, first, Tom Udall’s (Democrat Senate Candidate) son-in-law to head the state election bureau. Then when he resigned due to public pressure, she replaced him… not with someone who could be remotely called independent… but with a long time personal, business and political partner of Udall’s.

These Democrat Secretaries of State are so blatant about their corruption, that there can be no question at all in rational people’s minds that the ‘fix’ is in, and that the election results should be invalidated.

And, on top of that: NM’s ACORN branch has been turning in 15,000 new registrations per week in this sparsely populated state

AND Gov. Bill Richardson, saying publicly that he guaranteed 0bama a 102% voter turnout.

The fix is in. If there aren’t enough stupid voters to elect 0bama legally, they are more than ready to steal the election.

LegendHasIt on October 15, 2008 at 8:06 PM

I’m still skeptical that there’s a mechanism in place capable of converting bogus registrations into bogus votes, especially on a mass scale…

AP

Yes, famously.

Jaibones on October 15, 2008 at 8:07 PM

emphasis mine

This country is rotten the core . . . our votes don’t even count. Without the right to vote and have it counted you no longer live in a Republic or a democracy. The seeds of chaos are being spread by the left.

rplat on October 15, 2008 at 7:24 PM

The statement here is the crux of the situation. When the votes don’t count we don’t matter nor does what we care about in first the political sense and then shortly thereafter in every sense.

theguardianii on October 15, 2008 at 8:08 PM

They are the “just in case” voters

tomas on October 15, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Getting rid of the Motor Voter law (which is the biggest fraud of all) would go a long way towards solving this problem. Do we have a politician with the guts to propose repealing this farce?

mad_cow on October 15, 2008 at 8:17 PM

emphasis mine

This country is rotten the core . . . our votes don’t even count. Without the right to vote and have it counted you no longer live in a Republic or a democracy. The seeds of chaos are being spread by the left.

rplat on October 15, 2008 at 7:24 PM

The statement here is the crux of the situation. When the votes don’t count we don’t matter nor does what we care about in first the political sense and then shortly thereafter in every sense.

theguardianii on October 15, 2008 at 8:08 PM

This IS what it all boils down to. The one thing ‘Joe Blow’ has to have a voice in this country…and now these Bastards are just taking a giant Crap all over it…Nice…

This really pisses me off…

BigWyo on October 15, 2008 at 8:18 PM

I’m still skeptical that there’s a mechanism in place capable of converting bogus registrations into bogus votes, especially on a mass scale, but the boss is doing her level best to change my mind.

It doesn’t require a mass scale to swing the election from Ohio. According to Ken Blackwell, all it takes is one vote per precinct.

Anyhoo, I think this was the plan, but it may have been foiled:

Obama loses Ohio. The next day gazillions of Dem activists and lawyers, aided and abetted by the MSM, shriek that it’s impossible that Obama lost because, why, look at the hundreds of thousands of Democrats who registered to vote! Therefore, the racist scum neo-con nazi Republicans stole the state from Obama. Diebold! Diebold!

Outrage reaches its apex, riots and lawsuits ensue, and we spend 4 years hearing that McCain was “selected not elected”, and he is rendered impotent

Buy Danish on October 15, 2008 at 8:21 PM

What if Mickey Mouse or the Dallas Cowboys vote by absentee ballot? No ID needed and if filled out by the original ACORN person who registered Mickey Mouse, the signature would be the same. What if the requirement for all these bogus registrations is to submit absentee ballots for them?

In the past, with the precinct/county organization of voting, corruption was pretty much limited to local elections. A very large organization was needed to boost votes when hundreds of precints exist in a state. This is why Gore picked the three biggest precincts (10,000+ voters vs. 200-500) in Florida. Otherwise, massive votes show up in small precincts with obvious problems. Fraud in a precinct with only a few hundred registered voters can only do a limited amount of damage in a state-wide election. Hence, the growth of ACORN to’organize’ the corruption on a national level.

jerseyman on October 15, 2008 at 8:35 PM

Figure then at least 150,00 votes for Obama should be tossed out.

JellyToast on October 15, 2008 at 8:36 PM

The only way to stop the problem is for conservative voters to organize their own bum rush the polls orgs.

Then the press would take notice.

mylegsareswollen on October 15, 2008 at 8:41 PM

We are facing a crisis of confidence with regard to the economic system and political system. Is it any surprise that this is happening 4-5 weeks before the elections? And ACORN is the tip of the spear in both areas (pushing the sub-prime loans during the 90′s and leading the voter registration fraud?). Oh, and wasn’t Obama in the middle of the whole thing (lawyer for ACORN on Motor Voter and ignoring Fannie/Freddie)? Did Obama’s community organizing include signing up sub-prime loans and pressuring banks to give them? Soros and Ayers must be partying big-time right now. The only thing standing between the end of America as we know it and the American dream is the American people.

jerseyman on October 15, 2008 at 8:45 PM

I’m still skeptical that there’s a mechanism in place capable of converting bogus registrations (attempted murder of democracy) into bogus votes (murder of democracy), especially on a mass scale (mass murder of democracy)

MB4 on October 15, 2008 at 8:53 PM

“Because AP assumes that they’re a fundamentally honest, if overtly partisan, organization, or at least are constrained by law to remain mostly honest, until he gets proof that they aren’t. He’s reflexively skeptical of conspiracy theories.”spmat on October 15, 2008 at 7:39 PM

H O R S E H O C K E Y.

SORRY, but to assume that ACORN is “fundamentally honest” is painfully NAIVE to me.

ACORN HAS A YEARLONG DEMONSTRATED RECORD of
FRAUD
FRAUD
FRAUD
.

I thought it was only “liberals” who endlessly gave criminals “just one more chance.”

Lockstein13 on October 15, 2008 at 8:54 PM

All the unused voter registration cards that are left when the polls close are a veritable cache of ballots just waiting for some ACORN-like volunteer to get busy making up the difference. Rush says it better than me. Broadcast Tues. 10-14-08:

“…The other reason they have all kinds of fraudulent registrations, not necessarily for people to use and vote when the polls close and everything is over and done with, you’ve got all these unused registrations, people that didn’t show up to vote, all you have to do is have one ACORN worker as a poll worker, and if you need the votes, if you need some votes from that particular precinct, you’ve got a whole stack of unused voter registration cards after the polling place is closed. What do you think happened in Lake County, Indiana, which is Gary, Indiana, during the primaries between Hillary and Obama? The idiot mayor up there of Gary started bragging on TV, (paraphrasing) “Well, we’re dealing with this as fast as we can.” He went out and wanted some face time, he essentially said, “We’re trying to see what we need here.” There’s so many reasons for doing all of this. I don’t care how you slice it, it is cheating through and through. ACORN bought and paid for by your taxpayer dollars for the last 30 years.

JUST TOOK MY BLOOD PRESSURE: 180/110! Seriously. And the debate hasn’t even started.

NightmareOnKStreet on October 15, 2008 at 8:59 PM

I’m still skeptical that there’s a mechanism in place capable of converting bogus registrations into bogus votes

I live across the river in New Jersey, and West Philly is beautiful in November. Give me a call if you’re not doing anything on Election Day.

SlimyBill on October 15, 2008 at 9:03 PM

uncivilized on October 15, 2008 at 7:22 PM

That Rush segment that you cited struck a chord with me, too, when I heard it today.

Back in 2006, when I served as a volunteer Republican poll watcher in a precinct that has an all-Democrat poll workers (even though the precinct veers Republican), the workers were rather cool towards my presence.

I watched at these workers went into the voting booth area (ostensibly to assist in using the new computerized ballots), but I sensed some “guidance” on their part, especially towards older citizens.

I don’t know how many times that I was asked if I would be there all day/all night. This was done politely; nevertheless, it was clear that my presence was not particularly welcome–even when I offered to share some of my snacks. Mind you, this odd behavior occurred in a very civil precinct.

The poll workers seemed particularly annoyed when I stayed while they opened and counted the absentee ballots.

The whole experience left a queasy sense about polling ethics, especially since this precinct serves a civilized population.

onlineanalyst on October 15, 2008 at 9:07 PM

BTW, I was the one who emailed Allah with the Rush transcript last night. *Sob* he doesn’t remember me.

I still think Carol’s right and Allah’s wrong, but then again, I’m a dittohead.

Buy Danish on October 15, 2008 at 9:11 PM

Remember: Obama perfected his banana republic strategies via Ayers, who counts as his good friends Chavez and Castro.

onlineanalyst on October 15, 2008 at 9:12 PM

I’m still skeptical that there’s a mechanism in place capable of converting bogus registrations into bogus votes, especially on a mass scale,

I’d just like to point out that the POTUS isn’t the only position on the ballot, and it doesn’t take “mass scale” voter fraud to alter local results. Swinging a mayoral race, a state legislature or even a governorship is also unacceptable and can have long-term, trickle-up effects.

taznar on October 15, 2008 at 9:18 PM

but then again, I’m a dittohead.

Buy Danish on October 15, 2008 at 9:11 PM

Hot.

Jaibones on October 15, 2008 at 9:39 PM

Fantastic. I got married recently and changed my maiden name to my middle name. All three names are on my driver’s license, but only two on my voter registration. Why do I seriously doubt I’ll actually get to vote this year?

Especially after my updated voter registration – theoretically submitted in plenty of time to vote in the primary – mysteriously didn’t show up on the OH SecState website (which, btw, was down for “scheduled” maintenance on at least part of that day – whiskey tango foxtrot on that one) until the day after the primary?

seketabi on October 15, 2008 at 10:08 PM

By ‘sitting on’, do you mean waiting until the polls are supposed to close, then filing suit to keep them open a few more hours, and voting their ballots herself?

Vashta.Nerada on October 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM

Everybody remember to read about the Battle of Athens in 1946.

fossten on October 15, 2008 at 10:54 PM

There is no limit to Democratic hubris. I wonder what the long term consequences of this is. I don’t know for sure that it could be the deciding factor. But there seems to be half of the country willing to let this go on. Only a few of us care. This is not good.

petunia on October 15, 2008 at 11:10 PM

The same could happen here.

TheBigOldDog on October 15, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Take a read on the battle of Athens. Folks in Tennesse were fed up with the corruption one day, and took matters into their own hands and fixed the problem.

http://www.constitution.org/mil/tn/batathen.htm

AZ_Redneck on October 15, 2008 at 11:30 PM

stuff like this is why i volunteered to work the polls on election day.

maybe y’all might want to try likewise and see what crops up in your neck of the woods.

i will be makin’ sure i am there til closing time and make sure locks get locked.

AZ_Redneck on October 15, 2008 at 11:38 PM

Hey, I’m still skeptical, read the transcript Limbaugh and one of the Bush election lawyers about how poll workers convert left over registrations into votes.

I can’t find the link now…

PattyJ on October 16, 2008 at 12:13 AM

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a0d_1223585808
La Raza caught red-handed cheating!

jgapinoy on October 16, 2008 at 12:27 AM

Hey, I’m still skeptical, read the transcript Limbaugh and one of the Bush election lawyers about how poll workers convert left over registrations into votes.

I can’t find the link now…

PattyJ on October 16, 2008 at 12:13 AM

PattyJ, see my post above for the link:
NightmareOnKStreet on October 15, 2008 at 8:59 PM

NightmareOnKStreet on October 16, 2008 at 12:47 AM

That’s right, Nightmare. I hope Allah reads it!

As forest said:

All they have to do is check off “Joe Blow” as if he actually came in to vote, and then cast his vote.

PattyJ on October 16, 2008 at 1:06 AM

Wait and see,…if obama is behind this,..come Nov 4th, all 57 states will get busted for voter fraud!

christene on October 16, 2008 at 1:10 AM

you couldn’t exceed the number of registered voters…

Oh I wouldn’t be too sure of that; in the not too distant past parts of Phillie were found to have more votes than registered voters. Major oops…..

I live in NE Pa in Luzerne County. In order to get a library card I had to produce a picture ID AND a bill/statement that reflected my address. Why is it being racist when similar requirements should be enforced in order to vote? (I already know that answer to that) :-(

A small miracle seems afoot; Mayor Lou Barletta-R is leading Paul Kanjorski-D for Congress. Wish the lead were greater, but it’s amazing that Kanjorski is running behind….he’s owned that seat for forever. Kanjorski is a big buddy of Murtha’s; oh how I would like to see him go…..actually see both of them go.

poodlemom on October 16, 2008 at 1:14 AM

200,000 in one state. If every other state has (or averages) 200,000 bad registrations, that’s 10 million, more than enough to turn the election.

Fraud on this scale should be a capital offense, given that it strikes at the very legitimacy of our government. And without a legitimate government in Washington, millions could die around the world as the warlike are not restrained, diseases are not checked, disasters do not get emergency food and sanitary supplies, and Europe falls into financial and social anarchy.

These ACORNs should not fall from the tree; they should swing beneath it.

njcommuter on October 16, 2008 at 4:26 AM

Purple fingers. Let’s hear it for purple fingers or an equivalent.

herself on October 16, 2008 at 5:44 AM

njcommuter,

According to a map “out there” somewhere, it is only OH and PA which have extremely high numbers of such troubles. Admittedly, there are about a good dozen others with 10-20,000 questionable ones….

Lockstein13 on October 16, 2008 at 6:42 AM

The real dilemma is whether to fight another Civil War in order to keep America alive.

justincase on October 15, 2008 at 7:33 PM

The question is whether Americans have an understanding of the founding father’s vision for this country? Do they want “Liberty” or do they want gov’t enforced “Equality”? Will the motto’s of the revolutionary war still resonate in our souls…
“Don’t tread on me!”
“Liberty or death!”
“Live free or die!”

methinks most american’s could care less as long as they have gas for their car/truck and a flat screen TV (preferably at someone else’s expense).

BadBrad on October 16, 2008 at 7:24 AM

Here in Fairfield County, OH, we have to produce a photo ID and a proof of residence already. (My Ohio driver’s license and my electric bill take care of both.) In addition, the first time I registered to vote at my new address when I moved in ’02, I also had to produce an additional photo ID and my birth certificate. It seems to me that this should be SOP across the state.

The fact that it isn’t, under “Miss” Brunner (who increasingly reminds me of her namesake in the Jerry Cornelius novels by Michael Moorcock) I find troubling, but not particularly surprising.

Unfortunately.

clear ether

eon

eon on October 16, 2008 at 7:40 AM

We’ll see what the Supreme Court of the U.S. wants to do.

oh western Pa. seems to be racist if they dont vote for Obama…hmmm what state does that border there? hmmmm

johnnyU on October 16, 2008 at 10:09 AM

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