Gallup: McCain trails by just three among likelies (sort of); Update: Obama claims his lead would be bigger if not for Fox News
posted at 4:15 pm on October 15, 2008 by Allahpundit
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The “polls don’t mean anything!” crowd has suddenly decided that this one does mean something and dared me in the comments to another thread to post it, which I’d been planning to do. Here you go: Obama 50, McCain 43 among registereds, a net gain of four for Maverick since last week, and Obama 49, McCain 46 among likely voters, two points better than the recent Gallup average and the steady five-point lead Obama’s had in Rasmussen. Might that signify a hopeful trend? I thought so — until I read the famously pessimistic, eeyore-ish Ace of Spades, who notes that likely voters this year are apt to include more new Obama voters than usual. So figure the lead’s actually closer to five or six points, or maybe seven per Pew’s new poll. (Gallup’s own “expanded” model of likelies has it at eight.) Not ideal but not prohibitive.
Exit question: Is the conventional polling wisdom right that Palin’s become a drag on the ticket? Jay Cost thinks not:
I’d note also that when we talk about a Palin Effect, we really should be discussing a net effect. Even if Palin has hurt McCain a bit among Independents, I think she is keeping morale up among Republicans. In the LA Times/Bloomberg poll, 49% of Republicans had a very positive view of McCain while 35% had a somewhat positive view of him. For Palin, 61% of Republicans had a very positive view compared to 23% with a somewhat positive view. This squares with the evidence we’ve seen from the McCain-Palin rallies. It also squares with the RNC’s fundraising in the wake of the Palin pick – so that’s a benefit right there, to be counted against any Independent voters who might have peeled away from McCain because of her. The Republican Party clearly likes her. That’s not for nothing.
Given the situation the GOP now finds itself in, the fact that she rallies the base might make her a substantial net benefit come Election Day. McCain’s poll position has slipped, and most people now believe that Obama will win. If this belief persists through Election Day, Republicans might be less likely to come to the polls, damaging down-ballot candidates. If Sarah Palin can give Republicans a reason to come out and vote, that might make her presence a net benefit even if she might be driving away a few Independents from the GOP ticket.
Update: Via Ben Smith, The One will see your “Bradley effect” and raise you a “Fox effect”:
“I am convinced that if there were no Fox News, I might be two or three points higher in the polls,” Obama told me. “If I were watching Fox News, I wouldn’t vote for me, right? Because the way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak! I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?
“I guess the point I’m making,” he went on, “is that there is an entire industry now, an entire apparatus, designed to perpetuate this cultural schism, and it’s powerful. People want to know that you’re fighting for them, that you get them. And I actually think I do. But you know, if people are just seeing me in sound bites, they’re not going to discover that. That’s why I say that some of that may have to happen after the election, when they get to know you.”
Say this for the man: The sheer balls it takes for a liberal to claim his numbers are being hurt by the media are fabulously impressive. Barry, meet Evan Thomas.
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Good question
Vashta.Nerada on October 15, 2008 at 4:16 PM
…but the truth is hurting my reputation!
jgapinoy on October 15, 2008 at 4:17 PM
If there weren’t an NBC, ABC, CBS etal, you’d be down by 20 Barry. Screw off, commie.
And they say he won’t impose the fairness doctrine.
lorien1973 on October 15, 2008 at 4:17 PM
Heh.
Slublog on October 15, 2008 at 4:18 PM
For the record, Obama reads the New York Times, doesn’t own a gun, is politically correct, is arrogant, and is a liberal. No word on the lattes, but I’m pretty sure he’s not a rarity at Starbucks.
I’m sure that an absence of Fox News would increase his support. There would be little oppositional media to him.
amerpundit on October 15, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Just kick the poop out of Obama tonight Mac and stop worrying about the polls.
Fannie/Freddie and the Democrats corruption/contributions
Ayers and the radicalization of Chicago Schools
Wright (go for it, what do you have to lose now, Olberman’s disapproval?).
Tax raising when the economy is tanking.
Say it to his face. Stop apologizing for telling the truth.
Mr. Joe on October 15, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Apparently 50% of the population. I missed that part.
amerpundit on October 15, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Couldn’t have described him better myself!
JustTruth101 on October 15, 2008 at 4:18 PM
from your mouth to God’s ears, barry
YellowDawg on October 15, 2008 at 4:19 PM
gosh Obama is such a, to quote the great Bob Grant, a FAKE, phony, FRAUD.
blatantblue on October 15, 2008 at 4:19 PM
Can we just do something in order for all of us to show how disgusted with the media we all are?
We can’t trust the polls because the media handles them, and because the media does everything in its power to make sure we are crushed to the bone on Election Day.
Screw the media and the polls! It’s time for Republican officials to start a total, absolute boycott of the media. No press conferences, no TV or radio appearances. Nothing. If the message doesn’t go through because the media distorts it, then we can’t trust them.
newton on October 15, 2008 at 4:19 PM
BTW, i think Barry just inadvertently called out the NY Times. yes, who would want someone who is a NY Times reader. LOL
YellowDawg on October 15, 2008 at 4:19 PM
Um…WHAT?!?!?! If there were no ABC, NBC, CNN, CBS, NPR, WaPo, NY Times, LAT, MSNBC, Daily Show, etc, McCain and Palin would probably be wiping the floor with ya, Barry. How dare he complain about perceived biases on FNC when the rest of the damn media has been carrying water for his campaign for MONTHS? Good lord, I must be living in bizarro world…
changer1701 on October 15, 2008 at 4:19 PM
Are you f’ing kidding me?
thirteen28 on October 15, 2008 at 4:20 PM
““I am convinced that if there were no Fox News, I might be two or three points higher in the polls”
And if Obama wins, soon there will be no Fox News…
Realist on October 15, 2008 at 4:20 PM
The bright side being that those sound bites don’t properly represent how Barry’s let down everyone in his home town via supporting the Machine.
C’est la vie (@10.25%)
yo on October 15, 2008 at 4:21 PM
I had to be contrary…well, actually I kinda like it…but the fact that this poll result is so drastically different from the most recent “ABC” polls is positive proof that “polls don’t mean anything.”
JannyMae on October 15, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Man he either has to be completely out to lunch or he has an enormous set of stainless steel balls to even make that argument with a straight face. Holy cow.
TheBigOldDog on October 15, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Look for the disintegration of Fox News if the Messiah gets elected.
carbon_footprint on October 15, 2008 at 4:21 PM
You said it buddy!
ROFL!
IrishEi on October 15, 2008 at 4:21 PM
He left out friend-of-terrorists and infanticide-protector, though.
snickelfritz on October 15, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Ohhh Poor Obama…Fox news is picking on him. Well if he manages to win the election he will just have to do something about that.
It is interesting how Obama can whine about Fox, but his minions smirk when GOPers point out that most of the media is pimping for their candidate.
Terrye on October 15, 2008 at 4:22 PM
It’s pretty obvious that Barack Obama doesn’t watch Fox News.
wise_man on October 15, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Which goes back to:
Eliminate FOX News, talk radio and bloggers, and Obama will never again have any problems with them.
newton on October 15, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Gee that’s the best way the O has been described that I have seen yet to bad he was the one doing the describing.
tee866 on October 15, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Couldn’t have said it better myself, BHO.
Torch on October 15, 2008 at 4:23 PM
New McCain ad.
Wouldn’t be the first time someone was quoted out of context–see Palin, S. by Gibson, C.
Steve Z on October 15, 2008 at 4:23 PM
“If I were watching Fox News, I wouldn’t vote for me, right? Because the way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak! I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?
Stop lying, Barry. You don’t drive a Volvo.
You’re right! It’s called BIG ACORN, and their favorite books are Rules for Radicals and Reveille for Radicals.
Buy Danish on October 15, 2008 at 4:23 PM
Does that mean the Lightworker will put a fed bulls eye on FNC if elected? Just sayin’…
misterspork on October 15, 2008 at 4:23 PM
Poor Obama, people keep judging him based off of actual sound bites from his speeches, past associations, and his actual record… Good lord, what has the world come to when we can’t just take his word for it that, gosh darn-it, he’s a real swell guy.
If McCain doesn’t come out swinging tonight can we replace him with that plumber who had been on the news lately? He looks like he can kick a** and take names.
watchmen on October 15, 2008 at 4:23 PM
Fixed it for ‘ya………….
Seven Percent Solution on October 15, 2008 at 4:23 PM
This guy is just batsh!t insane … and proud of it.
progressoverpeace on October 15, 2008 at 4:23 PM
That’s probably the nicest thing I could say about Obama at this point.
Do not want.
Anna on October 15, 2008 at 4:24 PM
And just think, if there werent any plumbers out there, he could have kept his poll numbers moving up.
This is my que to say this:
Obama’s retort to the plumber, is going to severly hurt him.
TheHat on October 15, 2008 at 4:24 PM
I hope Drudge starts a “Today’s Talking Points for the MSM from Obama” daily feature. Would show up the MSM coverage for the joke it is.
Imagine the fun that Fox (and Jake Tapper as long as he has a job at ABC) would have with that.
Wethal on October 15, 2008 at 4:24 PM
That is just laugh-out-loud funny. Every time this man opens his mouth without a script he puts his foot in it.
Way to piss off the biggest audience on cable, douchebag.
rockmom on October 15, 2008 at 4:24 PM
You’re a Marxist Barry. Given complete information America would reject you. You lament Fox News but fail to mention the ridiculous level of adoration you receive from the MSM. You are wholly unqualified to be POTUS. You have absolutely zero qualifications. You have accomplished nothing in your life that has prepared you for this job. You are a socialist determined to end America as it was envisioned by our Founders. Your presidency will serve to solidify the already hard divide between Conservatives and Liberals/socialists/wards of the state. You may actually do us a favor and help restore the balance between the states and the federal government as Conservatives look to the states via the 10th Amendment to shield themselves from you and your statist plans. You will never be a uniter Barry because liberty loving Americans can never agree with you.
DerKrieger on October 15, 2008 at 4:25 PM
McCain could’ve much more accurately said this, but he’s not a whiner.
jgapinoy on October 15, 2008 at 4:25 PM
Um no, Hussein. We know you are a socialist, anti American racist lunatic with you own youth corps and from your july speech, plan to create a citizen armed force, all sorta reminiscent of 1929 Germany.
A crook bought your house for you, your mentor is a crazed, racist, Anti American and a couple of your friends are terrorists.
With a resume like that, I am baffled you can run for any office, never mind President!
dogsoldier on October 15, 2008 at 4:25 PM
Well outside of the Volvo and latte bit, that’s pretty dead on, isn’t it Barry? Sad when the entire media isn’t head over heels. Get with the program Fox!
Spirit of 1776 on October 15, 2008 at 4:25 PM
He’s just a dumb $hit.
He just doesn’t get it.
Oink on October 15, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Sounds to me like that 30 minutes of airtime Obama has bought is going to be used to try to convince us Fox watchers that he isn’t what the “soundbites” make him look like to us.
Good luck with that. I know I won’t watch a minute of it.
rockmom on October 15, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Oh and I forgot your whacked out racist wife. Wow what a crew.
dogsoldier on October 15, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Palin–& her children!–have been far more brutally assaulted, yet Palin just shrugs & says “that comes with the territory”.
jgapinoy on October 15, 2008 at 4:27 PM
Yeah
To bad we don’t just have fair and balanced MSNBC and CNN.
We would be to the left of Venuzula by now
kangjie on October 15, 2008 at 4:27 PM
Here, allow me to sum this whole thing up:
If Obama gets elected, then all I can say is-
Fuck You America.
It will then be clear that the majority of this country is a bunch of fat, lazy, gimme some gubmint money, idiots, who are too fucking stupid to get anything more than the Marxist nanny-state they deserve.
And I’ll be reminding all those Obama voters of this for the next four, loooooong, and painful years.
Fuck you very much, morons.
FiveWays on October 15, 2008 at 4:27 PM
Does it make me a total wingnut to think that if this guy gets elected he actual intends to do something about it? Like the way he has has shut down radio stations that invite Kurtz on. Like the way he used prosecutors to go after people in Missouri. Like they way he tried to get the Justice Department to file charges on a group that produced a totally factual ad…. THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS MAN.
TheBigOldDog on October 15, 2008 at 4:27 PM
By the way, Obama, way to isolate the largest cable news audience in the country.
If Fox pushes this story, this could be the Dukakis helmet wearing moment for Obama.
carbon_footprint on October 15, 2008 at 4:27 PM
And in related news, the creepy owner of the abandoned amusement park said he would’ve gotten away with it, too, if it weren’t for those meddling kids…
greggriffith on October 15, 2008 at 4:28 PM
You know, this guy is surprisingly self aware for an ego-maniacle cult leader.
t.ferg on October 15, 2008 at 4:28 PM
B.O. forgot “fitness freak, food health nut, non fat latte`”
But more or less he covered himself well.
upinak on October 15, 2008 at 4:28 PM
Nuff Said.
nazo311 on October 15, 2008 at 4:28 PM
Fox News is the only media that is telling the truth about you, you latte-sipping, NYT reading, limp wristed, no gun owning, effete, politically retarded, arrogant, no account liberal, terrorist friendly, racist pastor loving, FREAK!
FIFY, you bonehead.
HornetSting on October 15, 2008 at 4:28 PM
No shit, that’s some serious balls there Barry O. HA!
Cry some more about Fox News while the rest of the media cups those bad boys for you.
Dash on October 15, 2008 at 4:28 PM
“If I were watching Fox News, I wouldn’t vote for me, right? Because the way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak! I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?
Is this projection or what?
darwin on October 15, 2008 at 4:28 PM
Dear BHO: You forgot to add that you are a Scumbag, Marxist, Terrorist loving Fool….
I’m sure you regret the error
jp on October 15, 2008 at 4:28 PM
Poor old Hopey Changey. Fox News is busting up his Thug Thizzle, man.
AubieJon on October 15, 2008 at 4:28 PM
Thanks for splotching me all over the top line of this blog entry…
Now when do I get a paycheck?
Mcguyver on October 15, 2008 at 4:28 PM
I want Dem voters to get hold of this nugget.
DerKrieger on October 15, 2008 at 4:29 PM
And Hitler was a vegetarian.
upinak on October 15, 2008 at 4:29 PM
FWIW:
Sorry to repeat this on this thread. Just got this from a family member–PBS poll on Palin.
PBS has an online poll posted asking if Sarah Palin is qualified. Apparently the left wing knew about this in advance and are flooding the voting with NO votes.
The poll will be reported on PBS and picked up by mainstream media. It can influence undecided voters in swing states.
Please do two things — takes 20 seconds.
1) Click on link and vote!
Here’s the link: http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html
2) Then send this to every McCain-Palin supporter you know, and urge them to vote and pass it on.
The last thing we need is PBS saying their viewers don’t think Sarah Palin is qualified.
BuckeyeSam on October 15, 2008 at 4:29 PM
I refuse to be a hypocrite and suddenly have faith and trust in this polling which just happens to go my way.
(yay)
Skywise on October 15, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Dear friends,
This obsession with polls is going to drive our dear friend Allah into near-terminal depression. I would be delighted if I didn’t see another poll post until Nov. 5.
either orr on October 15, 2008 at 4:29 PM
OT: Will ballots show Obama’s full name? If Hussein is included it may cost him some votes.
Read Ga. is having huge voter turnout so far for Obama. Not good
jp on October 15, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Fixed.
BTW: Why is HA now making Ben Smith, Osama Obama-bootlicker supreme, some sort of “pundit?” McCain not down far enough in the polls for ya, AP? No one paying attention to Junior Buckley today?
MrScribbler on October 15, 2008 at 4:29 PM
That sound bite thing is the same defense he used for Rev. Wright until that National Press Club performance.
Cindy Munford on October 15, 2008 at 4:29 PM
I guess we should be Happy that Obama is finally telling the truth.
With this
“I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?”
and his other comment this week about wealth distribution, I guess some of Obama’s puppeteers must of dropped the strings.
cmptrnerd on October 15, 2008 at 4:30 PM
Announcer: Not true – Obama does not drive a Volvo.
McCain: I’m John McCain, and I approve of this message.
Vashta.Nerada on October 15, 2008 at 4:30 PM
Allah does it to himself. We don’t ask for polls…. or at least the sane ones don’t.
upinak on October 15, 2008 at 4:30 PM
ACORN is has been doing a fantastic job of getting children and adults registered and voting multiple times as Democrats. This seems to reflect in the latest polls. Good job ACORN!
Egfrow on October 15, 2008 at 4:30 PM
The 4chan /b/ crew have been inflating that poll all week long. No way to counter them.
carbon_footprint on October 15, 2008 at 4:31 PM
There he goes again with that “I don’t look like a three dollar bill” meme.
He means that nobody on Fox News or anyone who watches it looks like him.
Brat on October 15, 2008 at 4:31 PM
Many people have no idea how scared they should be. They don’t understand the interplay between BHO’s views/intentions and the weak state of our monetary system (thanks to BHO and friends, also) and what comes of such situations. It is sad to watch this all play out.
progressoverpeace on October 15, 2008 at 4:31 PM
Interpetation: When I am president, we will have the Fairness Doctrine again and get rid of anyone that disagress with me
ConservativePartyNow on October 15, 2008 at 4:31 PM
Is Captain Bull$h*t dangerous or what? No dissent will be tolerated.
Blake on October 15, 2008 at 4:31 PM
And if the rest of the media did their job, Obama wouldn’t even be in consideration!
ToddonCapeCod on October 15, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Balls as big as his ears and tax hikes!
Thank heaven for Fox News!
HornetSting on October 15, 2008 at 4:32 PM
The audacity! Obama complaining about the media!
Hahahahaha
jgapinoy on October 15, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Repeated and accentuated in case any Fox people read here.
carbon_footprint on October 15, 2008 at 4:32 PM
So to change his image from “Citizen of the World” to “One of the Common Folk,” he will soon tramp through the fields of Ohio or Pennsylvania in a new Timberland jacker, awkwardly holding a gun, and saying, “Where can I git me a huntin’license?”
Wethal on October 15, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Whazzamatter, Barry? You don’t like fair and balanced? Does that mean you’re unfair and unbalanced?
Oh, by the way, you forgot the arugula.
We bitter God-clingers have long memories.
Steve Z on October 15, 2008 at 4:32 PM
He described himself perfectly, having left out his San Francisco billionaire row visit and commentary.
Also left out: Berlin grandiosing, Ahmi/Chavez/Kim Jiang/Castro et all, sin Fox debate meeter, and other assorted Socialist/Marxist and terrorist-enabling efforts. Not to speak of media-crotch-dwelling.
At least his ping-pong balls are good for something.
Fox, beware. He’s in, you’re out.
Entelechy on October 15, 2008 at 4:32 PM
“And I would have gotten away with it, if it weren’t for those meddling
kidsFox NewsSanjoboy on October 15, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Turnout, turnout, turnout. That’s all that will matter on 11/4.
ejbentz on October 15, 2008 at 4:32 PM
I just voted. It’s 49-49.
Take away 75% of the negatives for the “PBS Effect,” and it seems reasonable. Unless all the votes so far have come from Hitchens, Heather MacDonald and Junior Buckley.
MrScribbler on October 15, 2008 at 4:32 PM
“Cultural schism”? Imagine, a news channel with a non-liberal point of view! Differing opinions is such a … distraction.
PattyJ on October 15, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Repeating a previous post
—
How ACORN influences polls
Most people recognize that ACORN’s apparent success in registering large numbers of imaginary Democratic voters distorts the electoral process by putting additional presure on electoral officials during the run up to the election, by easing the way for many forms of traditional vote cheating on election day, and by opening up many avenues for legal appeals after election day should the Republicans win.
What most people don’t know, however, is that the most valuable contribution imaginary voters make to the Democratic party’s electoral effort is to give Democrats false leads in public opinion polls.
How that works is that polling companies try to correct for non response bias by adjusting their results according to known population demographics. If, for example, a polling company expects that a truly representative sample would contain 31% registered Republicans and 39% registered Democrats but finds the split among actual respondents to be 33:36 it will react by adjusting the Republican numbers down and the Democrat numbers up to match the expected population distribution. On a survey with 400 actual respondents, the percentages mentioned above cause them to decrease the actual Republican “vote” by eight while increasing the Democrat “vote” by 12 – a 5% net change for the Democrats in the reported result.
What’s particularly subtle about this is the survey companies expect to find that actual respondents over-represent Republicans because they’re reachable by phone more often (that’s on net, they also hang up more), and correspondingly under-represent Democrats. The bias introduced by falsely inflated Democrat registeration numbers plays, in other words, directly to polling company expectations and thus doesn’t generally arouse suspicion despite the inconsistency with previous results and the “likely voter” numbers.
The predictable result is exactly what we see today: the polls report an overwhelming Obama victory in the making, many Republicans are ready to give up in wake of perceived public response – and those to whom this is all good news are motivated to trumpet “Obamalange” at the top of their lungs.
Paul Murphy on October 15, 2008 at 4:33 PM
Is he actually asking who wants a liberal who reads the New York Times…in the New York Times?
amerpundit on October 15, 2008 at 4:33 PM
I submit that Obama would be 5 to 8 points behind if MSNBC, CNN, AP News, CBS and all the other media wasnt so deeply in the tank for him.
William Amos on October 15, 2008 at 4:33 PM
Nah, I think you all are way too scared of this guy. He has just been reading his own press notices for so long that he really doesn’t get why half of America thinks he is either a Marxist or a moron (I’m in the moron camp myself.) This is what happens when you surround yourself with sycophants and run a totally stage-managed campaign.
rockmom on October 15, 2008 at 4:33 PM
upinak:
He’s a smoker too! boo hiss….I used to smoke. In fact I might end up starting up again before the election is over.
Terrye on October 15, 2008 at 4:34 PM
This is the funniest I’ve hear yet. Fox news singing out of tune.
scrubjay on October 15, 2008 at 4:34 PM
No worries, I just covered it, @ 4:32 PM, above, same time as you noting is lapsus.
Entelechy on October 15, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Scary. Thanks for the link.
jgapinoy on October 15, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Good on Fox!
Nobody but other losers. The portrayal is accurate, Mr. Zero.
sloopy on October 15, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Teh, s/b “his lapsus”.
Entelechy on October 15, 2008 at 4:35 PM
I’m thinking of marketing a new t-shirt on line……
What do you think?
Seven Percent Solution on October 15, 2008 at 4:36 PM
Hey Barry, would you like some cheese for that WHINE!
Hope Hannity gets a hold of this…liberals go batshit over anything he reports.
HornetSting on October 15, 2008 at 4:36 PM
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