Debate: Live chat and open thread
posted at 7:05 pm on October 15, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Tonight we have the final presidential debate for the 2008 cycle, and if you’re in the Twin Cities area, we have some party ready for you! AM1280 The Patriot will host a debate party at Trocadero’s in Minneapolis tonight. The Northern Alliance Radio Network will emcee an evening of fun and politics, including my radio partner Mitch Berg, Power Line, SCSU Scholars, and Fraters Libertas. We’ll have free appetizers and a cash bar. The debate goes from 8pm CST to 9:30pm CST and doors will open around 7:30pm. Admission is free – but please RSVP at the handy AM1280 RSVP Page so we can plan accordingly.
You won’t miss anything at Hot Air, either, if you’re not able to make it to the party. We’ll have a live chat room running during the debate, with Jazz Shaw and Lady Logician moderating a cast of thousands — literally! Since the live streaming has interfered with the operation of the blog for some Hot Air readers, we’ll skip that and stick with the chat room.
I’ll also make a post-debate appearance on the Hugh Hewitt show at 10:30 CT to discuss the night’s events and their implication for the election. And yes, I shamelessly recycled the first two paragraphs of this post from my pre-debate analysis. I’m all about efficiency, baby!
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I listened on the radio, so I’ll give you that perspective.
McCain did very well, Obama did well.
McCain came across as a steady conservative. Obama came across as not as liberal as some like to portray him – given his scant record it is really impossible to know how far left he will lean.
Either Obama will win in a lamdslide or it will be a late night on Nov. 4. I fear the former but hope for the latter.
Sheerq on October 16, 2008 at 12:01 AM
No, that would be the community organziers. Christians just give food, shelter, love, and second chances. Community organizers give the gift that keeps on giving: voter fraud.
Laura in Maryland on October 16, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Connie has the link at 11:32PM
Vote early, vote often!
(kidding–I’m not with ACORN)
jgapinoy on October 16, 2008 at 12:02 AM
I’m drawing a blank here, what’s the “Bradley factor”? Thanks!
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on October 16, 2008 at 12:03 AM
Obama really does drive me crazy without his teleprompter when..he..startes..talking in..very…blocky…sentences.. anyone
hawkdriver on October 16, 2008 at 12:04 AM
as am I. but i still despise Huck and while i’m against gay marriage 1,000%, i don’t want a freaking constitutional amendment for it. i’m pro life all the way, but you catch more flies with honey than vinegar and better to start with partial birth or notifications and work your way from there. i think some of the problem with the “evangelical” republican stereotype (and it is just a label — cmon, what christian ISNT an evangelizer), is that its the James Dobson mantra…. it’s the moral overseer that sits around and waits until someone screws up, then makes a God-given pronouncement on what is right and what is not. Falwell’s Tinky-winky as gay (yes, distorted, but still) is a great example.
Now take Huck. Throw in the James Dobson factor of Huck-a-sham (former head of the arkansas baptist assocation, lifelong preacher) and combine that with his disastrous economic “fairness” policies…. its social conservatism on steroids.
It’s not fair, but too often those labels make me think of a gay-bashing ALAN KEYES instead of some middle-of-the-road Methodist or S. Baptist.
battleoflepanto1571 on October 16, 2008 at 12:04 AM
According to Hillary, he only does that to the ones he loves. Where to start?
Laura in Maryland on October 16, 2008 at 12:05 AM
The pundits at fox,although I “wondr” about kristol, I believe, are just trying to Pi$$ youal’ off!!! LOL!
so you get fired up and get’er done!!!lol!!!
Palin/McCain 08McCain/Palin 08
Palin/McCain 08…no…I was right the first time!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jerrytbg on October 16, 2008 at 12:05 AM
First, I agree with Matt Helm. Thanks, Matt.
Second, I agree with you about Huckabee. I too was against him in the primary. But interestingly, he was terrific on Fox opposing the bailout, while both Mitt and McCain have defended it.
By the way, I was for Fred, as were most of my Southern Baptist friends.
flyfisher on October 16, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Working on that all-important Bill Shatner demographic.
Laura in Maryland on October 16, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Big time.
progressoverpeace on October 16, 2008 at 12:06 AM
LA Mayor Tom Bradley–a Black–polled higher than he actually got in his election. The theory is that people lie & tell pollsters they’ll vote for him, fearing accusations of racism if they say they won’t.
jgapinoy on October 16, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Named after Tom Bradley, who lost the race for Gov of California despite a strong lead in the polls. Previously called the Wilder effect after Doug Wilder who narrowly won Gov of Virginia despite a large lead. And soon to be renamed the Obama effect if he actually ends up losing.
SAZMD on October 16, 2008 at 12:06 AM
I missed this. WHAT did the loathesome Obama threaten as to FOX? I mean, what’s his latest threat.
S on October 16, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Our sister Ann Coulter breaks it down for you. The Bradley Effect.
It means we’re only probably screwed this election not definitely screwed.
Mojave Mark on October 16, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Based on a California Election with a Black Candidate that everyone polled well in his favor and then on election day, he came up very short. The idea they surmised was that people were reluctant to say they weren’t going to vote for the black candidate, but when they got in the booth, they were reluctant to actually vote for him.
hawkdriver on October 16, 2008 at 12:07 AM
I was a Fredhead.
I think Huck hurt Fred, too.
jgapinoy on October 16, 2008 at 12:07 AM
From his own flapping gums: Proof that Obama is not a Christian..
T J Green on October 16, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Even though I think McCain won, McCain should have sealed it by coming out on stage with bleached red hair and looked Obama in the eye and said, “I’m so angry and hot at what has been going on that my hair has turned red. Instant victory for McCain. Even liberals like weird offbeat stuff like that.
Travis1 on October 16, 2008 at 12:07 AM
The fun thing about there being 3 debates is………….
I don’t remember a lot of what was said in the first 2 but #3 will stick with me.
Old Hippie Vet on October 16, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Cheer up — Mark Halperin grades McCain an A- and Obama a B.
Terrie on October 16, 2008 at 12:07 AM
the Obama effect…
I would <3 the the Obama effect
hawkdriver on October 16, 2008 at 12:08 AM
HEY AP AND ED…YOU THINK YOU COULD MENTION THE DRUDGEREPORT POLL MAYBE ONCE IN ONE OF THESE DEBATES???
I don’t know 105,000 people’s opinion might MEAN SOMETHING!!
MechEng5by5 on October 16, 2008 at 12:09 AM
S–
Here’s the whining & the veiled threat from BO:
jgapinoy on October 16, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Matt & Fly
Amen.
Laura in Maryland on October 16, 2008 at 12:09 AM
We owe their founder an even greater debt.
Mojave Mark on October 16, 2008 at 12:09 AM
BO complaining about media bias–the audacity!
jgapinoy on October 16, 2008 at 12:10 AM
It’s a shame that McCain’s campaign has been so lame. Tonight he said things for the first time that he should have been hammering at all along.
SlimyBill on October 16, 2008 at 12:10 AM
No, they would just point to it as proof that they’ve been right about McCain all along: he’s old and erratic and senile and losing his mind.
AZCoyote on October 16, 2008 at 12:10 AM
I was a Mitt supporter, not because of his religious association or mine but because of Mitt Romney’s abilities as an executive.
I was frustrated as anyone at the attacks on Romney as to him being Mormon, but I get the same sort of attacks from the same sort of attackers because I’m Catholic, so, it really is a case of he/she who does the attacking.
S on October 16, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Precisely! As he said, without him we can do nothing.
jgapinoy on October 16, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Hmmm, he drives a Volvo, THE BASTARD, I shant vote for him.
hawkdriver on October 16, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Yeah, agreed. Rove remains a steady and consistent voice of sanity in a very unstable world, no doubt about it. His comments on FOX (particularly, this evening) were, well, you’re right, a breath of fresh air.
S on October 16, 2008 at 12:12 AM
My big admonition of “us”, we let the media play us like a fiddle.
hawkdriver on October 16, 2008 at 12:13 AM
Tonight Obama PROVED he has no gallantry, not one shred of decency. Obama is unwilling and incapable of owning up to his lies or even to denounce falsehoods from his own campaign supporters leveled unjustly and viciously against McCain and against Palin.
The east coast elitists are too full of themselves (chicken shit) fearing reprisals from Obama’s marauders. So watch the harpies earn their place in that special hell reserved for women who won’t support other womens successful efforts. And watch the metrosexuals from their private box in the peanut gallery wag their fingers according to the whim of the MSM.
CONTRAST WITH MR. ALL AMERICAN, JOE THE PLUMBER WHO GETS IT. The vote isn’t going COD to Obama the liar, cheat and thief.
Lied about the recorded “fine” now erased into “no fine” assessment on those who do not purchase health insurance. He also lied about what he did (NOT) say to Joe The Plumber. He also lied about McCain’s record in debate tonight. There wasn’t a turn that Obama did not fill with another lie.
Obama and his affiliate ACORN supporters are cheats and frauds trying to steal the election, having already drive our economy into ruin.
Obama is a thief as he takes campaign contributions illegally not only from international sources, but from private citizens’ bank accounts via the internet without consent of the owner.
Obama must be prosecuted.
maverick muse on October 16, 2008 at 12:14 AM
we need marriage amendment-look another state allowing gay marriage Nothing will stop the gay agenda if we don’t do something
Bullhead on October 16, 2008 at 12:14 AM
…and M C Rove is as cool as ocean foam!
jgapinoy on October 16, 2008 at 12:14 AM
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Pardon me that would be 143,169 people’s opinion!
MechEng5by5 on October 16, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Can someone explain why the Bradley Effect is supposedly racist? Assuming it’s even real, wouldn’t the Bradley Effect tend to show racial sensitivity, not racism? It does not demonstrate, as some media allege, that if the black candidate were white he would have garnered the vote of the Bradley Effect voter. All it proves is that in America people have become justifiably fearful of being deemed a racist. So, some have decided it’s easier to lie to pollsters than to take the chance of being accused of racism.
flyfisher on October 16, 2008 at 12:15 AM
Not yet. He’s undecided.
jgapinoy on October 16, 2008 at 12:15 AM
You know…if I were Joe the Plumber, my agent would be talking to both campaigns about the direction my vote might go.
Hey Senator, how bout sumthin, you know, for the effort?
hawkdriver on October 16, 2008 at 12:16 AM
flyfisher on October 16, 2008 at 12:15 AM
What’s racist is that BO will get 96% of the Black vote, largely from people who have no clue what he even stands for, as Stern proved per the HA thread yesterday.
jgapinoy on October 16, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Glad to know there are others of like mind out there.
flyfisher on October 16, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Forget Fox- Frasier’s on Lifetime. Hell, too bad Martin’s dog, Eddie isn’t running for anything.
NightmareOnKStreet on October 16, 2008 at 12:18 AM
The secret ballot is not racist. I guess we’ll see what happens.
I am not sure I trust these polls. Who out there likes both McCain and Obama? How can anyone have a positive impression of both? Yet, about 7% do, according to polls.
indythinker on October 16, 2008 at 12:18 AM
AZCoyote on October 16, 2008 at 12:10 AM
Yeah, I guess you’re right. lol
Travis1 on October 16, 2008 at 12:19 AM
Joe’s voting for Mac. I mean, really.
pugwriter on October 16, 2008 at 12:19 AM
Couldn’t agree more. I’m sure Chris Matthews will do a segment on that racist phenomenon on November 5th.
flyfisher on October 16, 2008 at 12:19 AM
IMHO, polls suck for the most part. We wonks agonize over them but they suck. I think the polls being pushed by the media have a purpose to drive the electorate and when it doesn’t go like their pollsters assert, its at least a fickle general public, at the most it’s raaacccism.
But it’s never their flawed poll. Ass-clowns!
hawkdriver on October 16, 2008 at 12:19 AM
I apologize. He just isn’t saying who he’ll vote for or if he’s committed.
jgapinoy on October 16, 2008 at 12:19 AM
Obama said “all we have to do is retool America and get all those factories to work again.”
If retooling were so damn easy and inexpensive to accomplish, no factory would have ever closed. If only retooling our manufacturing industry did not first require a huge investment, Obama might have a point.
maverick muse on October 16, 2008 at 12:20 AM
imho…John hit a triple…with bases loaded…bottom of the nineth…now the score is tied…storm on the horizon…
did I forget…two outs…nah…I won’t use a mixed metaphor…
but I gotta say….SarahCuda…You go Girl…BATTER UP!!!
jerrytbg on October 16, 2008 at 12:20 AM
Okay cracker, before we send you off for re-education, here goes:
If there is a black candidate and you don’t vote for him, you are racist.
Because you asked a question about race, you are definitely a racist. There is no rehab, no sex-addiction therapy, no Mel Gibson blockbuster to cure you. Now go back to your klan meeting and stop questioning the inevitibility of the One.
Laura in Maryland on October 16, 2008 at 12:20 AM
Just a wave of the hands and it will be done. Free, too! And it will add jobs. Win-win-win.
progressoverpeace on October 16, 2008 at 12:21 AM
If Mac hit a bases-loaded triple, ‘Cuda will score a hat trick.
jgapinoy on October 16, 2008 at 12:22 AM
Mark Steyn at NRO’s The Corner suggested a series of “Joe the Plumber-meets-Senator Government ads.”
People are suggesting using the “Bob the Builder” theme song as a guide:
Joe the Plumber!
Can we tax him?
…Yes, we can!
I just sent an email suggesting a different tact:
Spoofing the Mac vs. PC commercials.
Given the popularity of that ad campaign, don’t you guys think that would resonate more than “Bob the Builder”?
Or am I off base?
LOL
powerpro on October 16, 2008 at 12:23 AM
Want some motivation? I just finished re-reading the Declaration of Independence and then the essay by Rush Limbaugh Jr. (El Rushbos Dad). Kind of washes the stench of the nay sayers away…..
CC – BHO: “my Muslim faith”
CapedConservative on October 16, 2008 at 12:23 AM
Read Ann Coulture at Townhall.com. She deals with this wonderfully.
Mojave Mark on October 16, 2008 at 12:23 AM
That’s really the media’s message isn’t it.
flyfisher on October 16, 2008 at 12:23 AM
jgapinoy
The plumber understands that Obama’s full of Baracktax.
From what I heard of his radio follow up discussion this afternoon, he was clearly not for Obama.
maverick muse on October 16, 2008 at 12:23 AM
ROTFLMAO with tears in my eyes,
you cracker.
hawkdriver on October 16, 2008 at 12:24 AM
By retool, he means throw a bunch of your wealth at the car companies, create more protectionism, and just wait for us who vowed never again on GM to go rushing out to pay top dollar for crap quality. Maybe retool is code for repayoff union officials.
Laura in Maryland on October 16, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Haw!
Subtle, yet awesome!
SlimyBill on October 16, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Well, yes and no. I agree about Romney’s past record as to him not being a Sterling Conservative but you’ve also just reiterated a slanted view that many evangelicals, in my experience, used to continually “just reject” Romney without any willingness or effort to realize your own bias.
The Massachusetts public healthcare thing, Romney explained and explained well as to how that developed and why: he was a lone Republican Governor in a very liberal, Democrat-state-legislature-dominated state (same thing with Schwarzenegger in California), so, what was enabled in MA was THE BEST of what any Conservative (or anyone else not Liberal) might accomplish there, and certainly wasn’t an example of a national experience (when there would be more Conservative voters influencing outcomes, programs, and such). And Romney’s also criticized what the developments came to be as to MA’s healthcare problems…so he was at least realistic there AND he accomplished far “more” move to the Center in an exceptionally Liberal state (so that says quite a bit about him when you consider the environment and challenges involved).
His stance on abortion as an individual was modified from “tolerant of” to “unsupportive of” on ethical, religious basis. I ADMIRED his story and that he’d relate it — how he changed based upon growing maturity and wisdom as to the issues involved.
And he also explained that as Governor of that very Liberal state, he still remained as an individual not supportive of abortion, not in agreement with it, but as a legislator, enabling of it in office, UP TO A POINT, while over time growing to realize his previous “tolerance” was actually indifference and he changed.
Again, I admire his story and experience and am grateful that he as others can and do change for the far better on this serious issue. Once “pro choice” changing to “pro life” is a change worth congratulating!
I read dreadful negations of Romney on the internet by “evangelicals” so they really are not to be excused in that issue — it was ugly and revealed an ugly humanism present that I was surprised to see.
I don’t agree with the theology of Mormonism, but, so, I am not a Mormon. But I think that deriding anyone who declares their faith in Christ and salvation through Christ, who sincerely means that, is wrong.
S on October 16, 2008 at 12:25 AM
flyfisher on October 16, 2008 at 12:23 AM
Sadly, yes. So much for content of character.
Laura in Maryland on October 16, 2008 at 12:26 AM
Micheal Steele, Ken Blackwell, Lynn Swann: “WHAT ABOUT US”
Dems: “Not YOU! @#$@^% OREO!” (throw oreos)*
*yes, this happened in the 06 campaign routinely at m. steele.
battleoflepanto1571 on October 16, 2008 at 12:26 AM
there is no god dude, sorry to break the news to you.
JHC on October 16, 2008 at 12:26 AM
ROTFLMAO with tears in my eyes,
you cracker.
hawkdriver on October 16, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Thank you. Dang straight, and right back at ya!
Laura in Maryland on October 16, 2008 at 12:27 AM
I sure think so.
I think McCain has dropped the ball on jobs, UNION jobs, as well.
Why could he not tell us tonight how many good union jobs would be created by building all those nuke plants????
SlimyBill on October 16, 2008 at 12:28 AM
Yup and if Obama came up with the most money, I’d say I was voting for him and then…
Laugh maniacally rubbing my hands together in the booth as I voted for McPalin!
hawkdriver on October 16, 2008 at 12:28 AM
You guys knocking on Fox are retarted. Fox would be stupid to fight a hopeless battle like pushing Mccain. We were sold out guys.
-We were given a mark for a candidate that from day one was a weak horse and option C or D at best.
-Mccain refused to fight but instead had some queens rules in play against a street fighter who didn’t even have a cup. Hell had his freekin brain showing in the back of his head just open.
-Bush f*ckin made the largest lunge to SOCIALIZATION in US history by nationalizing the 1st & 2nd Largest US mortgage holders, the largest US Insurance company, working on the largest US banks, and whispering about adding the US auto industry. Chavez, Amajab, and socialist the world over are pointing to this as proof that Socialism is the way to go.
-Mccain instead of showing his difference with Bush (he so wants to prove this right?), and remind US of his economic conservative values to boot by fighting this 700BILLION bailout tooth and nail. NO he freekin signed on to it? Imagine that 1st debate if Obama had to try to justify a 700BILLION bail out of wallstreet fat cats with nationalization of our economic foundation? NOT TO MENTION THE PORK PORK PORK 30 million for wooden arrows? (wasn’t Mccain going to veto every pork bill?WTF punk a*s?)
-2nd Debate Mccain shows up and does what nothing but shows up. No challenging of Obama even after Obama had called him out and was literally STARING Mccain down.
-3rd debate Mccain finally makes a half hearted attempt to challenge Obama.
Piss poor and at best half hearted.
(Imagine if when the opportunity arose Mccain instead of saying “I don’t care about a washed up terrorist” and stopping he instead said “I don’t care about Obama hanging out with one washed up terrorist my concern is simply the pattern… Obama associated with Ayers for 10+ years but when confronted said he didn’t know Ayers was a un-repentant terrorist, Obama went to a hate filled church for 25+ years but when confronted said he never knew, Obama worked with even gave 800 million to Acorn who is charged with voter fraud but when confronted he never knew, Obama palled with and bought his home at a 300k discount from Rezco a indited corrupt-fraudulent-soon-to-be-in-jail-criminal, but when confronted he never knew. My problem my friends is not one washed up terrorist but why is so many anti-Americans around Obama, My question of Obama is (look right at him) are you really that naivete or is my fear correct?
Guys I think Dole could have beaten Obama. Obama has so much ammo that he cannot even dispute that only a Mccain (above the politics, don’t question their patriotism) Mccain could lose this f*ckin election.
We shouldn’t be beating on Fox for admitting the writing on the wall. We need to prepare look for the rock ribs Pence, Shadagg, etc.. that will/could guide US out of the wilderness. Fox is going to get a full broadside under a Dem congress, senate, executive. We will be very lucky if Fox can hold, talk radio is going to be the canary in the cave.
Obama is not Kerry this guy is the real deal. Obama is not embarrassed of his Socialist ideals he is proud. Obama with a Democratic congress and senate is going to run pure Nitro into US engine and turn right into the wall. -Regulation (we exhale carbon dioxide to give you a clue to the unlimited options of carbon regulation)
-Taxes (Hey government don’t cut back they just take a raise)
-World welfare (remember poverty=terrorism argument?)
-defense gutting (who needs baby killers anyway or lets say it PC we need to give more welfare and buy more votes)
-helplessly watching allies get plowed in during useless negotiations (Georgia, Iraq, Stans, Ukraine, Lebanon, Israel, Baltics, Tiawan, Dijbuti, Gulf States)
- etc……
It is going to be a VERY rough ride. We should start planning on how to try to cut the pain short by 2010 then full conquest by 2012. We need to learn that allowing weak willed, corrupt, immoral amongst our rank while may have some short term benefit it is a long term losing strategy.
C-Low on October 16, 2008 at 12:28 AM
Oh, you searched the entire universe & couldn’t find him, huh?
jgapinoy on October 16, 2008 at 12:29 AM
“Every knee shall bow”
pugwriter on October 16, 2008 at 12:29 AM
(As to denigrating Romney)… about that, I agree. And Huckabee campaigners, like those associated with Ron Paul but about other issues, were the most critical and maligning of Romney. So, I agree there.
S on October 16, 2008 at 12:29 AM
Oh, you old dog.
(sticking with Murray)
SlimyBill on October 16, 2008 at 12:30 AM
Who is down by three points in the most recent likely-voter polls. Yep, hopeless.
jgapinoy on October 16, 2008 at 12:30 AM
S-gettin late, flying early and SlimyBill starting to sound like Debbie Downer so I am out of here.
He did good tonight all. Chins up and lets see it through to the end.
hawkdriver on October 16, 2008 at 12:31 AM
battleoflepanto1571 on October 16, 2008 at 12:26 AM
I voted for Steele. I loved him as Lt. Governor and thought he would kick butt in DC.
While Jindal is a man of color but not African American, he is my first pick for 2012 (love Sarahcuda, but if McCain doesn’t win, I don’t think she can do it at the top of the ticket after a loss.)
Laura in Maryland on October 16, 2008 at 12:31 AM
Glad to know you can explain the source of the Big Bang… or are you making that statement on faith?
CC – BHO: “my Muslim faith”
CapedConservative on October 16, 2008 at 12:31 AM
Kidding Bill!
hawkdriver on October 16, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Sarah can be Jindal’s Sec. of Interior.
jgapinoy on October 16, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Me, too.
I don’t take issue with other Christians, but I do note the malignment of Romney on religious terms, mostly. Who can say who was behind the keyboard, maybe just more “astroturfers” (to anyone who doesn’t get that — it’s a term used by ACE on Ace of Spades site, as to people who show up and say, “I’m a Christian but I’m voting for Obama because…” and then they deploy the rationalizations that contradict Christian theology, thus being “astroturfers”).
I’ve witnessed more than a few Obama campaigners who pose as anything that they think will convince others to “go the Obama way.”
S on October 16, 2008 at 12:37 AM
I’ll take that or Secretary of Energy – Drill Baby Drill!
Laura in Maryland on October 16, 2008 at 12:38 AM
The only think Obama lovers respect are poll numbers. The Obamessiah could spend the whole debate quoting Jerimiah Wright and they wouldn’t care as long as 51% of idiots watching liked him.
Speedwagon82 on October 16, 2008 at 12:38 AM
Me too, and proud.
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hawkdriver on October 16, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Those folks are usually transparent enough.
pugwriter on October 16, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Actually, astroturfers is a term that applies to those attempting to give the appearance of a grass roots movement where none really exists. I think Axelrod’s company uses it to go into blogs to plant seeds for an opposing view without appearing to actually be the opposing view. Fake grass roots effort… hence… astroturf.
CC – BHO: “my Muslim faith”
CapedConservative on October 16, 2008 at 12:40 AM
I fundamentally agree with what you said, but it does not negate anything I said. I admire his move to the right on abortion. And I agree Romney made the healthcare thing better, but he made the mistake of defending it as a conservative plan. I heard him do it over and over again. During the primary he touted it as a win, when in reality it was just another government boondoggle. His record on guns was not good, yet he made stupid comments about being a hunter when it was clearly untrue. It made him seem plastic. The gun issue alone was big in the South.
But look, I don’t want to fight all of the primary fights all over again. I had legitimate philosophical reasons for opposing him and my being a Southern Baptist had nothing to do with it.
flyfisher on October 16, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Bill Clinton claimed to have astroturf in the back of his el camino (I think that’s the right car) It’s a play to being a “regular guy/gal.”
pugwriter on October 16, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Senator government lost the debate tonight with his own mouth. Everytime the issue came up senator government was for more government higher taxes, more spending. He couldn’t help himself. I think I heard the word invest 30 times. People do not want higher taxes and more government. They want less government and lower taxes.
Obama wanted to make it a rich vs poor/middle class issue.
McCain made it a government vs we the people issue.
Senator government lost it tonight and it had nothing to do with McCain.
unseen on October 16, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Two “undecided” Hofstra students just told Greta they are leaning McCain.
Terrie on October 16, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Thanks. More evidence that Obama is a doofus. Such a creep.
That quote from Obama needs to be accompanied by a very tiny violin…
S on October 16, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Hawkdriver,
It looks like you may have a new hunting buddy. Good luck and keep the site safe!
Laura in Maryland on October 16, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Dude, its been 8 years since AC/DC put out a new album. Its called Black Ice. I have been listening to it all night. To me, its PROOF that there is a God. Manna from heaven.
Roger Waters on October 16, 2008 at 12:44 AM
Senator Government wants to tax Joe the plumber.
Welcome to the next 19 days. Awesome!
pugwriter on October 16, 2008 at 12:45 AM
I will be happy to be wrong but Mccain is a pitiful candidate. Reagan, Bush Sr., Dole (maybe), Bush, would have eaten Obama on his associations.
Obama doesn’t just have one bad apple in his cart the list just keeps growing.
-Ayers=unrepentant terrorist WHO ACTUALLY KILLED AMERICANS
-Wright=Videos of “damm America” and very open anti-americanism.
-Rezco=under arrest corrupt business man Obama both funneled government HUD money to and bought his home from at a discount.
-How many campain people lost to anti-semitism and other hatred
This guy is a freekin joke. If we had a candidate that believed there were radicals on the other side and not just “well meaning good family people I happen to disagree with (ohh) fundamentally” on the other side we would have swept the floor.
Dole would have swept the floor.
C-Low on October 16, 2008 at 12:46 AM
Senator Government wants to tax Joe the plumber.
Welcome to the next 19 days. Awesome!
pugwriter on October 16, 2008 at 12:45 AM
And he wants to spend that money on more government programs. He does not want to cut anything. the government needs that $4trillion a year.
unseen on October 16, 2008 at 12:47 AM
If there was a Big Bang, there had to be a Big Banger. Either that, or matter is eternal…which is impossible.
flyfisher on October 16, 2008 at 12:47 AM
I’ve only heard one track, “Rock and Roll Train” I think its called. Good track. How does the rest of the disc compare?
pugwriter on October 16, 2008 at 12:48 AM
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