Debate: Live chat and open thread
posted at 7:05 pm on October 15, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Tonight we have the final presidential debate for the 2008 cycle, and if you’re in the Twin Cities area, we have some party ready for you! AM1280 The Patriot will host a debate party at Trocadero’s in Minneapolis tonight. The Northern Alliance Radio Network will emcee an evening of fun and politics, including my radio partner Mitch Berg, Power Line, SCSU Scholars, and Fraters Libertas. We’ll have free appetizers and a cash bar. The debate goes from 8pm CST to 9:30pm CST and doors will open around 7:30pm. Admission is free – but please RSVP at the handy AM1280 RSVP Page so we can plan accordingly.
You won’t miss anything at Hot Air, either, if you’re not able to make it to the party. We’ll have a live chat room running during the debate, with Jazz Shaw and Lady Logician moderating a cast of thousands — literally! Since the live streaming has interfered with the operation of the blog for some Hot Air readers, we’ll skip that and stick with the chat room.
I’ll also make a post-debate appearance on the Hugh Hewitt show at 10:30 CT to discuss the night’s events and their implication for the election. And yes, I shamelessly recycled the first two paragraphs of this post from my pre-debate analysis. I’m all about efficiency, baby!
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LOL, NO one on the Luntz panel said they were Obarky voters before the debate? Not a single one? Bullshit.
Bull farking shit.
Bishop on October 15, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Where does Fox get these people???
Cr4sh Dummy on October 15, 2008 at 10:41 PM
I can’t believe the Fox crew. Maybe they want to be the only journalists really working the next 4 years.
DrSteve on October 15, 2008 at 10:41 PM
How about that… Fox pundits seem to give Obama the win and the Luntz group of
Obama supportersindependents think Obama won. Why am I not surprised….CC – BHO: “my Muslim faith”
CapedConservative on October 15, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Fox News is pissing me off. Seriously.
Ugly on October 15, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Just waiting for Hannity now…
pcbedamned on October 15, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Not a chance, Laurinha. McCain will win the election.
ManlyRash on October 15, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Eff them. McCain beat his ass.
johnnyU on October 15, 2008 at 10:42 PM
these people are plants
johnnyU on October 15, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Luntz group was hastily put together from a half-way house tonight.
carbon_footprint on October 15, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Yeah, that lady’s not an Obamaphile.
I call BS
IrishEi on October 15, 2008 at 10:43 PM
And now, direct and live from the local ACORN office – it’s the Luntz panel!!!
uncivilized on October 15, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Ugly woman has the hots for Bambi on Duntz group.
anniekc on October 15, 2008 at 10:43 PM
OMG I can not believe these idiots on Fox. I thought McCain kicked his @ss. I thought this was his strongest debate. I don’t get this panel either.
artchick on October 15, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Luntz is in Miami…. What’d you expect? Group looks like a bunch of ex- Ny’ers
Fires1 on October 15, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Bull. MCcain stomped his ass the entire time
johnnyU on October 15, 2008 at 10:43 PM
The Fox after debate crew did not see the same debate I saw. Bunch of curmudgeons.
FireBlogger on October 15, 2008 at 10:43 PM
ABC defending Obama assertion that Obama political career not launched from Ayers living room – they say it was a Ramada Inn.
ABC also spinning that $800K was not given to ACORN, but a group associated with ACORN.
electric-rascal on October 15, 2008 at 10:43 PM
You guys are delusional…
ClassicCon on October 15, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Pretty clear BO wants to turns the USA into a neo-facist state. Let’s just hope ACORN doesn’t prevail with all those dead and imagined voters. Sarah finally got thru to Mc. Hope it’s not too late.
mustang1 on October 15, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Luntz’s duntz’s are a bunch of Obamabots
dhunter on October 15, 2008 at 10:43 PM
This is insane!
Guardian on October 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Luntz’s Dunces strike again.
ManlyRash on October 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM
I predict a 6 point change in polls in the next 2 days. Ombama -3 McCain +3.
McCain strong, stayed on offense.
diogenes on October 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM
I thought McCain did a good job tonight. Feisty old fart.
I was going to watch the Fox panel but after listening to Jaun kiss Obama’s ass {again} I thought screw this.
Bob the moderator was good.
Terrye on October 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM
I’ve lost all faith in Fox
TCJ on October 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM
It’s the seventh sign of the apocalypse. Folks at CNN are giving McCain a few positive words.
Laura in Maryland on October 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM
I guess FOX can afford to lose a few viewers, eh?
pcbedamned on October 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM
That Luntz group was the biggest farce.
carbon_footprint on October 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM
I told you Obama could fart and they would say it was an important new smell.
tomas on October 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Nobody really expected an unbiased analysis, they put the remarks together hours ago
clnurnberg on October 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM
What debate did these people watch??? I thought mcCain started off weak and finished strong.
YellowDawg on October 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM
McCain wiped the floor with Obama. I really tried to listen to what he was saying, but he just kept putting me to sleep by the end of the first sentence.
He has good tone and delivery (not tonight, though) but he says nothing. McCain’s answers hinted at more knowledge, more understanding, more experience than Barry’s did. Obama just sounded like some plan with a man. He’s like a black preacher-man version of Kerry with even fewer credentials.
Viscount_Bolingbroke on October 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Luntz’s focus group broke for Obama.
Typhonsentra on October 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM
So long Luntz…….your gone. Have a nice life with CNN
Rovin on October 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM
“This is a good night for Obama.” says Frank Luntz. Shit!
I. want. to. hurt. someone.
NightmareOnKStreet on October 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM
I think the Luntz panel came from the ACORN office, next door.
Star20 on October 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM
1) McCain hit all the right notes with me tonight. He stuck it to Barack “Violence Against Wimmenz” Obama on everything from Barry’s Bush-McCain screed to wealth redistribution.
2) Speaking of Obama . . . I’ve always believed that the best indicator of how someone really feels about an issue is the first thing that comes out of their mouth under pressure. That classless little bitch said a thousand words to me by responding to McCain’s statement about Lewis, the comparison to George Wallace, and how it hurt him with first defending it and then attacking Gov. Palin.
3) Who the heck does Barry think he’s fooling by saying he never agreed to meet with Ah’manutjob without preconditions?
Ryan Gandy on October 15, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Mccain killed him.
My favorite part was when Senator Government called all Mccain supporters RACIST!
SaintOlaf on October 15, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Only thing keeping me from hurling margarita glasses at the television (aside from invoking hubby’s ire) is prospect of listening to Rush put it in perspective tomorrow.
uncivilized on October 15, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Mac reamed the Empty Suit!
profitsbeard on October 15, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Who exactly is passing out the LSD to these people and pundits???
common sensineer on October 15, 2008 at 10:46 PM
When I was listening to the “all Stars” (not) I kept thinking, “you elitist snobs” What am I missing? Do I just detest Obama to the point that I have no perspective? I thought Obama was lost tonite
anniekc on October 15, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Probably.
Cr4sh Dummy on October 15, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Anybody just catch the anti-Palin ad?
Cheap shot.
dugan on October 15, 2008 at 10:46 PM
I just love these talking heads on Fox who value their auras of having unbiased opinions…to the point that they’s sell their gramdmothers out to keep them!! Dumb, overpaid journalists!
AubieJon on October 15, 2008 at 10:46 PM
This was McCain’s best debate I have ever seen. He was in command from start to finish
ConservativePartyNow on October 15, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Are the MSNBC buttboys really saying McCain lost cuz he was a meanie?
Speedwagon82 on October 15, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Did they happen to mention that it’s a FRONT GROUP with the exact same board members??
I LOATHE the MSM.
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on October 15, 2008 at 10:46 PM
I hate it when they are “fair and balanced”. Sh*t!
kareyk on October 15, 2008 at 10:46 PM
That’s the consolation-prize-kiss-of-death right?
NightmareOnKStreet on October 15, 2008 at 10:46 PM
ABC: George Will saying Obama did the rope-a-dope
electric-rascal on October 15, 2008 at 10:46 PM
I know, wtf.
GUILT by ASSOCIATION, wow What has Obama run on his whole damn campaign, BUSH, BUSH, BUSH.
artchick on October 15, 2008 at 10:46 PM
The Fox analysis was a total joke. I don’t know what these guys were watching.
progressoverpeace on October 15, 2008 at 10:47 PM
The real question is, did we here think McCain won, because we wanted him to win, or will the general public agree. I don’t know, but I feel my spirits lifted and I am more optimistic now, than I was a couple of hours ago.
Star20 on October 15, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Dream on… you will never see that happen. It may be the REAL result, but you won’t see a poll actually show it.
CC – BHO: “my Muslim faith”
CapedConservative on October 15, 2008 at 10:47 PM
You have got to be kidding me…the Luntz group looked like a Team BO poster.
David in ATL on October 15, 2008 at 10:47 PM
I can’t believe those people were ALL persuaded by Obama.
NO. WAY.
Guardian on October 15, 2008 at 10:47 PM
I couldn’t bring myself to watch. So I merely monitored comments. I’ve been sorely disappointed since Saddleback.
I will say that from the comments, there were many times where commenters seemed to say that he’d pulled his punches.
So I’m not surprised to see the Fox panel be ho hum. I’m not sure that I even want to watch it now. I’m pissed that in a lousy economy McCain evidently didn’t know enough to hang Ayers and the $161M they blew together around Obama’s neck.
It may have been better, but sadly he doesn’t close on too many points. The point about Obama’s taxes as welfare would have been great. Instead, that assertion goes unchallenged, except for two or thre WSJ articles, for the rest of the election, and no one is the wiser.
Sounds like a blown opportunity–or many of them.
BuckeyeSam on October 15, 2008 at 10:47 PM
LOL
abinitioadinfinitum on October 15, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Not to be in denial, I still think that Obama supporters are more likely to claim that they are undecided so they can get their oppinions heard than a true undecided.
Over30 on October 15, 2008 at 10:47 PM
I have to question the “undecided” status of the Luntz group too. Four people decided tonight, and all four for Obama? Call me dubious.
OneEyedJack on October 15, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Unbelievable! I thought this was the best McCain debate. But listening to Fox I am starting to wonder about my mental health.
Are we here at HA all in lala land? totally out of touch with reality?
neuquenguy on October 15, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Wait a minute, didn’t the last Luntz group give it to Palin and didn’t Luntz say to expect a move toward McCain this last week?
I turn the TV off after the debates. I just don’t listen to all that stuff.
I don’t even know if I believe there are any real undecideds out there.
Terrye on October 15, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Must be too much tequila – mental image is TOO FUNNY!!!
uncivilized on October 15, 2008 at 10:48 PM
CNN group says it’s 15 to 10 Obama-McCain. I’m surprised it wasn’t worse.
NightmareOnKStreet on October 15, 2008 at 10:48 PM
George Will says McCain did not shift the tide after 90 minutes debate.
BS!!
electric-rascal on October 15, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Luntz’s retarded focus group has spoken!
Obama won…somehow.
Speedwagon82 on October 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Oh like MSM fair??????
artchick on October 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM
And once again Mr. Luntz has unearthed a bunch of people who’ll say whatever they think it’ll take to get them to the free buffet they were promised for wandering in tonight.
AubieJon on October 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM
McCain did well for MCCAIN…he is not a great debater. Everyone is going to say it wasn’t enough…that he needed to come down harder on the democrats for the Fannie/Freddie debacle, and that he should have hit bambi harder on the associations.
But…he still flustered Obama.
dmarie on October 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Luntz, 22 non committed voters from Miami with no preference before the debate now 22 are for Obama. Does the term Skewed mean anything?
Guest1.1 on October 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM
A little.
Big S on October 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Disengage the Ustream any day now.
Three debates and no 2nd amendment questions.
Bishop on October 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM
WELL! It is nice to be pleasantly surprised.
Overall:
McCain B+
0bama D-
0bama’s physical appearance aged 10 years in 90 minutes,
McCain looked 10 years younger at the end.
McCain only used half of his ammunition, and missed with the half of it he did fire off, but he still managed to plug barry-0 in the vitals enough to (maybe) do the job.
If someone had wiped my memories of the last 33 years of my knowledge of McCain this afternoon, I’d be putting on the McCain ‘08 bumper stickers and erecting the yard signs right now.
As it is, I might be able to put my mark next to his name on Election day… IF he doesn’t
pi$$me off again in the next three weeks. That’s something I never expected to say.And once again, the Luntz people have proven that they are all either absolute idiots, or are liars when they say they are independents.
I think that tonight may have been a game changer…. even though the MSM and the idiots will try to spin it as an 0bama win.
LegendHasIt on October 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Better debate. I give Obama points on style but he loses on accuracy. He out and out lied in the manner in which he described both his association with Bill Ayers and his lack of support for the Unborn Infancy Protection Act. He simply lied. McCain is still rough around the edges but much more truthful and I thought he gave a very spirited debate. I would give it to him.
hawkdriver on October 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM
McCain smoked him. Pawlenty is right.
johnnyU on October 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM
McCain won…he finally hit Obama on his weaknesses
MechEng5by5 on October 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Something foul is afoot at Fox.
Guardian on October 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM
I’ve cut down my viewing in indirect proportion to the amount of time given to the likes of Bob Beckel, Lanny Davis, Susan Estrich, and the rest of the left ‘tards.
When the media is 90% lefty, I don’t need a 50/50 news channel. I need a 90%+ effin’ news channel!
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on October 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM
They are hedging their bet so if Obama wins they won’t be outlawed.
TheBigOldDog on October 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Just a thought – that the problem with the focus group was not that McCain faded but that THEY faded and Barry’s continual blather became wearing to the point that they began to think it sounded good.
Govgirl on October 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM
The luntz group was in miami. a very democrat area. don’t be surprised they liked obama.
lorien1973 on October 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM
McCain’s strongest performance yet, but still he was owned by the snake oil salesman. Mac couldn’t articulate a clear point even on the easy shit like the socialist overtones of “joe the plumber”.
Alden Pyle on October 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Greta posing in front of a McCain sign.
Guardian on October 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Barry lost utterly, looked sickly and stumbled at every turn, trying to b.s. his way to safety.
profitsbeard on October 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Is that the smell on Obama’s plane?
electric-rascal on October 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Fox is fundamentally flawed.
mylegsareswollen on October 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Okay America if you vote Senator Government in then you deserve the fucking 8-10 years of fail.
carbon_footprint on October 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Only 4 said they were for him at the end. I think as Luntnz Duntz’s go, this was a reasonable crowd.
hawkdriver on October 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM
George Will says McCain did not shift the tide after 90 minutes debate.
Chris Buckley agrees with him and gets a pat on the head from Matthews for saying so.
Bishop on October 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM
I concur.
progressoverpeace on October 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Luntzturfing….
TheBigOldDog on October 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM
KrackHammer: Obama won resoundingly.
carbon_footprint on October 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Why do these guys keep missing the point about Ayers? The main reason they were friends is because they agreed with eachothers POLITICS! That’s why it’s relevant. A person who spends their whole life either as a terrorist or a ‘community organizer’ puts politics as the most important thing in their life. They could never have been friends had they not seen eye to eye on their politics and that means that Obama has the same point of view toward America as a terrorist!
Bikerken on October 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM
our beltway elites don’t see what we at hotair saw apparently
jp on October 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM
I got booted, thanks to ustream. I can’t believe what the Fox panel is saying. Obama didn’t even come close to McCain.
Connie on October 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Krauthammer is full of sh**.
Unruffled? My ass.
uncivilized on October 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Problem is nobody knows the facts so they don’t know that Obama is BSing.
lavell12 on October 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Barry doesn’t look particularly healthy. I swear the guy must use anti-depressants before these debates because he just has that ‘look’.
mylegsareswollen on October 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM
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