Audio: Laura Ingraham versus Heather MacDonald on Palin and identity politics

posted at 3:46 pm on October 15, 2008 by Allahpundit

The 15 most entertaining minutes you’ll spend today, unless Maverick turns to Obama tonight and asks, “So, what’s up with you and terrorists?” The identity politics argument is tangential, really; most of the time is spent dancing around the questions of judgment and experience. Ingraham politely reminds MacDonald that The One has neither and MacDonald reminds Ingraham that he’s at least able to talk intelligently about the issues, demonstrating that he’s thought about them to an extent Palin hasn’t (yet, anyway). Ultimately, she’s making the same point as Buckley: They’re both confident that Obama has a first-rate intellect and a first-rate temperament, to borrow a phrase that’s been circulating, and so they’re both trusting somewhat blindly that he’ll take an intellectual, pragmatic approach to problem-solving rather than a nakedly ideological one. The bet, quite simply, is that events will pull him to the center. That’s some bet.


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The bet, quite simply, is that events will pull him to the center. That’s some bet.

They have chosen… poorly.

Physics Geek on October 15, 2008 at 3:49 PM

The bet, quite simply, is that events will pull him to the center. That’s some bet.

The un-spinning of spinning for The One, comment.

I blame robots.

Mcguyver on October 15, 2008 at 3:50 PM

The bet, quite simply, is that events will pull him to the center. That’s some bet.

I wouldn’t wager a country on it.

I wouldn’t wager a ham sandwich on it.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 15, 2008 at 3:50 PM

Better bet:

Events will cause him to implement his marxist beliefs.

Marine_Bio on October 15, 2008 at 3:52 PM

Heather’s big issue is amnesty. Like many conservatives, she cannot stomach the thought of another Republican president pushing liberal policies through Congress.

Do you think Obama would have been able to push the crap sandwich through this Congress like Bush/Paulson did? The GOP would have screamed Socialism!

Valiant on October 15, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Better bet:

Events don’t matter.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 15, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Two words:

Executive Orders

That enough should frighten anyone into voting republican.

Bush used them to take away barriers. Obama will use them to put them in place.

lorien1973 on October 15, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Heather MacDonald is willing to destroy American in the name of some “conservative excellence” notion?

I wasted 12 minutes listening to Ingraham trying to get a sensible statement out of this mindless loon.

I’m appalled, to put it mildly. This is the kind of “conservative” sophistry that bubbles in the brains of people like Hitchens and Junior Buckley.

Can none of them see beyond their wish for some mythical ideal candidate and notice that, while they babble about tiny, tiny points, the country is about to be handed over to the worst possible choice?

I’m just sorry I will have to suffer for their mental failings, just as I — and many of us — will have to suffer for the delusions of an inexperienced, racist, America-hating Marxist in the White House.

MrScribbler on October 15, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Obama has a first-rate intellect and a first-rate temperament, to borrow a phrase that’s been circulating,

Only until Ed has gotten enough head massages from The One.

Memo to Ed: Obama’s shoes are polished now.

Mcguyver on October 15, 2008 at 3:53 PM

They’re both confident that Obama has a first-rate intellect and a first-rate temperament, to borrow a phrase that’s been circulating, and so they’re both trusting somewhat blindly that he’ll take an intellectual, pragmatic approach to problem-solving rather than a nakedly ideological one.

And Sam Waterston convincingly played a NY assistant district attorney on TV for 10 years.

See, everyone has to say Obama has a first-class intellect because anything else would be racist. What little actual record he has is not encouraging. And my husband, who is a very smart man, thinks he’s a phony.

BigD on October 15, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Ultimate Sarah Palin endorsement

She stopped her campaign bus in Ohio to personally buy some diapers at Walmart!

http://www.mydailysentinel.com/articles/2008/10/13/news/news00.txt

Want a challenge? Try to imagine Biden really at Home Depot or Obama at Walmart. Can’t do it, can you?

So what’s their real identity?

Paul Murphy on October 15, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Obama has a first-rate intellect and a first-rate temperament, to borrow a phrase that’s been circulating,

This is the biggest BS line that has been percolating among the high-and-mighty elitist right.

I have seen signs of decent speech-reading skills, ability to lie smoothly and make people believe what simply isn’t true.

That’s a long way from intellect, even if the inbred intellectual mouthpieces think otherwise.

I’m disappointed in you, Ed. Too much time around the NRO crowd?

MrScribbler on October 15, 2008 at 3:56 PM

Paul Murphy on October 15, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Look.

I’ve lived 35 years without having to imagine Biden and diapers in the same sentence.

Why did you do this to me?

lorien1973 on October 15, 2008 at 3:56 PM

Obama’s entire adult life has had him connected to Communist, Socialist, Domestic Terrorist, Racist, etc.

Its not one big coincedence that he just happened to randomly keep coming into contact with the Crazies

jp on October 15, 2008 at 3:58 PM

The bet, quite simply, is that events will pull him to the center. That’s some bet.

No, the bet is that even though events in the past have not pulled him anywhere close to the center, events in the future will suddenly start pulling him to the center.

misterpeasea on October 15, 2008 at 3:58 PM

just more proof of the fact many educated types are complete idiots in the common sense dept. and we are better off being ruled by the common folk.

see WFB’s famous comment on about the Boston phone book over Harvard falculty

jp on October 15, 2008 at 4:00 PM

well, I might wager a ham sandwich… but only if I had chips and drink. Gotta get at least a little something…

MacScotsman on October 15, 2008 at 4:00 PM

I listened to this debate this morning. Heather MacDonald was ducking and dodging every issue she could. Her one intent was to raze Palin.

AubieJon on October 15, 2008 at 4:00 PM

According to MacDonald, supporting Palin means that conservatives can no longer play the ‘women should be at home’ card. Like that’s a good hill to die on.

pmm on October 15, 2008 at 4:01 PM

Wait, this woman isn’t pleased with Sarah Palin.

I’m shocked, shocked!

Kensington on October 15, 2008 at 4:03 PM

That was damn near a beatdown. Heather was more than evasive on a number of questions, and her defense of Obama’s intellect and temperment was as pathetically weak and unconvincing as Buckley’s. She pretty much sidestepped Laura’s question regarding Palin’s experience as Alaska governor, while mitigating Obama’s utter lack of experience because of his so-called intellect and temperment. And of course, she had to bring in all of the anonymous conservatives that have told her that they like Palin only for identity politics reasons.

To paraphrase Rich Brookhiser right after the Palin pick, “if these are the conservative elites, then we need some new elites.”

thirteen28 on October 15, 2008 at 4:03 PM

So what Heather is saying (or not saying) in this case – he can think and stuff.

You know, nobody says he cannot think – we just have a problem with is lack of failing to think through issues.

I agree with Laura – and was just about cheering when she said she agreed with Palin on issues. I’d rather take a person who can think – with some clarity of ideals – than take a person who’s ideals are frightening!

kybowexar on October 15, 2008 at 4:03 PM

According to MacDonald, supporting Palin means that conservatives can no longer play the ‘women should be at home’ card. Like that’s a good hill to die on.

pmm on October 15, 2008 at 4:01 PM

… and when have we done that? Seriously, I don’t remember.

Might be because I’m only 23, but…

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 15, 2008 at 4:03 PM

I’m shocked, shocked!

Kensington on October 15, 2008 at 4:03 PM

Who is she?
*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 15, 2008 at 4:04 PM

Heather should have called Laura on the carpet for not asking Palin her views on the immigration crisis.

Valiant on October 15, 2008 at 4:05 PM

Who is she?

Another sour puss, literally.

Kensington on October 15, 2008 at 4:05 PM

MacDonald reminds Ingraham that he’s at least able to talk intelligently about the issues,

That’s what lawyers do.

Then those same lawyers do to American morals, traditions and culture in court what they do to porn actresses in their spare time with our money.

Evil has no IQ floor or ceiling and evil can be just as pragmatic as benevolence and if you don’t think Barack Obama doesn’t personify deceptive intent you haven’t paid close attention to his facial expressions and his eye movements.

Speakup on October 15, 2008 at 4:06 PM

when she starts talking about obama, she says “I feel…”, all you need to know there. She’s not thinking, she’s feeling. Mush brained dummy that MSM and libs easily manipulate combined with White Guilt thrown in with some Elitist stupidity about superior intellect, etc….and MacDonald submits.

These people are dangerous

jp on October 15, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Another sour puss, literally.

Kensington on October 15, 2008 at 4:05 PM

I can see that.

I do not recognize her, though. Who is she?

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 15, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Heather MacDonald is willing to destroy American in the name of some “conservative excellence” notion?

As is Allahpundit; as is Malkin.

Blake on October 15, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Heather McDonald actually said something to the effect of “How can she be VP with a special needs child?” I find this appalling. Apparently Todd’s parenting isn’t good enough for HM, even though I’m sure HM knows absolutely nothing about him. Didn’t think I would ever quote Sandra Bernhardt, but IMHO this makes Heather McDonald the turncoat b*tch.

JustTruth101 on October 15, 2008 at 4:07 PM

…unless Maverick turns to Obama tonight and asks, “So, what’s up with you and terrorists?”

OK, that made me laugh out loud!

JetBoy on October 15, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Shouldn’t Heather, Kathleen Parker and Peggy Noonan be busy tormenting Macbeth?

Kensington on October 15, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Bah Ram Ewe
Bah Ram Rwe
Sheep be true
Sheep be true
Bah Ram Ewe

Secret Obama Mantra to get the sheep to listen

Jed1899 on October 15, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Obama is a phony! Any well trained actor can give a good speech and Obama is a well trained actor. I believe that he is intelligent but I do not believe that he has the courage to make difficult decisions.

His ideology is whatever his controllers want to make it. He doesn’t care as long as his ego is stroked and he is in the history books.

Vince on October 15, 2008 at 4:08 PM

What is wrong with those people? Did the Democrats put something in the New York and Washington, D.C. water systems?

Intelligence does not betoken judgment. Only judgment betokens judgment. Palin has it. None of the Democrats do. Nor will they ever. They are genetically impaired. Which leads me to question Buckley’s and MacDonald’s genetic inheritance.

Look at Palin’s record for Christ’s sake. Remember those things called “records” that we used to judge politicians on rather than their ability to “glide” and speak fluently.

This is beyond the pale. Turn in your conservative credentials, Buckley and MacDonald. They are reserving a special place for you in the (Democrat) Socialist Hall of Fame.

Stepan on October 15, 2008 at 4:09 PM

Shouldn’t Heather, Kathleen Parker and Peggy Noonan be busy tormenting Macbeth?

Kensington on October 15, 2008 at 4:07 PM

LMAO!!!

Double-double, toil and trouble!

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 15, 2008 at 4:09 PM

Heather MacDonald sounded like a blithering idiot in that exchange with Laura. Let’s examine the Katy Couric/ Palin interview and place it side by side with the Ingraham/MacDonald interview to see which conservative sounded more incoherent and lost.

Somehow not going to Yale or Harvard is proof Palin crawled out of a cave? All the intelligence in the world isn’t going to help you if you don’t have common sense. And common sense tells me I’d rather have someone with Palin’s natural impulses and “lesser” academic credentials than a Columbia grad whose instincts routinely brings him into anti-American coffee klatches.

watchmen on October 15, 2008 at 4:09 PM

To put it succinctly, Obama is a con-artist.

Vince on October 15, 2008 at 4:09 PM

It’s amazing how so many pundits on the right have embraced the Platonic view (as in Plato) that we should only be governed by Philosopher Kings that are born and bred to be rulers of society.

Jim-Rose on October 15, 2008 at 4:10 PM

She keeps saying Palin can’t speak clearly on Economic matters, she can…but what the hell about Energy Indpendence!!!!!! That is one of main reasons she was picked and she knows more about that issue which is Economic and National Security related and this moron just ignores it like the MSM

jp on October 15, 2008 at 4:10 PM

Two false assumptions in the MacDonald/Buckley/Noonan camp (no doubt inspired by their own pedigrees and backgrounds).

1. Obama is likely to govern as a centrist (ala Clinton 1.0).

If he currently has first rate judgement and temperament how is it that such a sound would-be centerist mind could conceive of campaigning (just last year, December 2007) for a cousin, Raila Odinga of Kenya, who openly supports the imposition of Sharia law in Kenya?

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/kenya-smoking-g.html

Would presumed centrists Bill or Hillary Clinton have campaigned for or appeared with Odinga? I think not.

2. Obama, although virtually unknown, is sufficiently qualified to be the chief executive of the U.S.A.

Obama’s argument that “running his campaign” and successful fundraising qualifies as executive experience is laughable. Fundraising as a chief executive means raising taxes or cutting expenses. He has no experience doing either. Obama has a thinner resume than Palin who has actually governed as an executive. On what basis am I to believe that he is more qualified than Palin?

I have met plenty of idiots with Ivy League degrees, long on pedigree short on common sense. Most are well connected, wealthy and arrogant.

Obama is no different.

Angry Dumbo on October 15, 2008 at 4:11 PM

See isn’t this a lot more interesting than dumpster diving for more idiotic anti-Palin sh!t?

TheBigOldDog on October 15, 2008 at 4:11 PM

And btw…Heather is right-on. Too many “conservatives” most certainly ARE more involved in “identity politics” and trying to “beat liberals at their own game”.

That, and much of the animosity towards McCain the presumptive nominee has carried over to today. Too many “conservatives” bashed McCain, when they should have been bashing Obama and the Left.

JetBoy on October 15, 2008 at 4:12 PM

Angry Dumbo on October 15, 2008 at 4:11 PM

One of the most frightening things I heard early on was from Dick Morris who said that Clinton was pulled Right by Congress which made him govern from the Center. With Pelosi and Reid, he argued, Obama will be pulled even farther Left.

TheBigOldDog on October 15, 2008 at 4:14 PM

Yeah sure, that is the sort of thing people used to say about Woodrow Wilson. But he is soooo smart. And academic.

Please, and what has that to do with anything?

Terrye on October 15, 2008 at 4:14 PM

JetBoy on October 15, 2008 at 4:12 PM

Ya? Read Mark Steyn over at NRO today where he reminds everybody that most of these new Obamamaniacs BACKED McCAIN as the nominee. THEY STUCK US WITH HIM!

TheBigOldDog on October 15, 2008 at 4:15 PM

She stopped her campaign bus in Ohio to personally buy some diapers at Walmart!

http://www.mydailysentinel.com/articles/2008/10/13/news/news00.txt

Paul Murphy on October 15, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Priceless.
I’d love to know what those secret service guys must be thinking: what the…….??

neuquenguy on October 15, 2008 at 4:16 PM

first-rate intellect and a first-rate temperament, to borrow a phrase that’s been circulating

First-rate intellect and temperament have lost their true meaning, just like the term “racism”. They’r all equally dead now.

…and so they’re both trusting somewhat blindly that he’ll take an intellectual, pragmatic approach to problem-solving rather than a nakedly ideological one. The bet, quite simply, is that events will pull him to the center. That’s some bet.

No one can show me where Socialism has reverted in the right direction. Marxism will be next. The wolf will never shed his last hair, something my great grandmother always said.

Entelechy on October 15, 2008 at 4:16 PM

I have met plenty of idiots with Ivy League degrees, long on pedigree short on common sense. Most are well connected, wealthy and arrogant.

Oh, my God, this is so true! I know it’s just anecdotal, but I’ve watched a good friend go from being a relatively bright thinker to a blithering imbecile during the time he’s spent working on first his masters degree and now his PhD in philosophy.

The longer he spends in college, the less common sense he retains. It’s literally astonishing.

Kensington on October 15, 2008 at 4:16 PM

Hope is not a business plan.

Neither is it something to pin the future of our nation on.

Keith_Indy on October 15, 2008 at 4:19 PM

That woman is an elitist snob and so is Buckley Jr….

liquidflorian on October 15, 2008 at 4:19 PM

first-rate intellect and a first-rate temperament, to borrow a phrase that’s been circulating

Let us be reminded that Jimmy Carter also had a first rate intellect and a first rate temperment.

How’d that work out again?

thirteen28 on October 15, 2008 at 4:19 PM

Good God almighty. I just listened to a woman explain that she’d rather commit sucicide than walk through pure new fallen snow.

I can literally hear RR spinning in his grave. what a clutch of idiots, no d*mn wonder conservatives lose, the spokes people are effette snobs.

Onager on October 15, 2008 at 4:19 PM

Ultimate Sarah Palin endorsement

She stopped her campaign bus in Ohio to personally buy some diapers at Walmart!

http://www.mydailysentinel.com/articles/2008/10/13/news/news00.txt

Want a challenge? Try to imagine Biden really at Home Depot or Obama at Walmart. Can’t do it, can you?

So what’s their real identity?

Paul Murphy on October 15, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Nope I can’t imagine it.

AND, I can’t imagine Noonan, Brooks, C. Buckley, MacDonald, Parker, Will, or any of the other blue-blood phonies either at a Wall-Mart.

I wish I had more of their books so I could throw more of them out.

Sapwolf on October 15, 2008 at 4:19 PM

Heather sounded just stupid and silly and I am embarassed for her in that interview. She sounded worse than Sarah sounded in the couric interview
I think the honest answer is they are just physically attracted to Obama, especially Peggy Noonan. The desire to be liked is also at play along with a bigotry for religious people. Peer presurre from the NY elites also.

Noonan is so repulsive I can barely stand to look at her. I didn’t like her that much when she was a so called conservative(but more about that later). She was and is an overrated writer who takes 5 paragraphs to say two sentences. I think she is lonely and suffers from ugly duckling syndrome. I think ugly chicks who were more moderate seem to have gone off the deepend with Palin.
Brings back bad meomries of not being asked out by the popular boy in High School(D brooks is also an ugly chick).

I can’t help but notice the most hardcore conservative women have not flinched at all on Palin. Coulter, Malkin, Ingraham.

kangjie on October 15, 2008 at 4:19 PM

did anyone else notice the Freudian slip at 2:17?

el75 on October 15, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Heather MacDonald states that Obama can speak intelligently to the issues? Good grief! Obama can read a teleprompter with the best of them, and he can spit out rehearsed lines as well as any Hollywood actor. But….

He babbles when he encounters something someone has not sppon fed him. He refuses to release any school transcripts or test scores for the simple reason that those results reveal a vapid and vacuous level of intellect (Obama has never been shy about blowing his own horn, but goes to great lengths to hide anything that diminishes the facade of greatness.)

Heather MacDonald’s real issue is her inteleectual elitism – Obama, like MacDonald, is part of the Ivy League elite. You can be a drooling fool to the public at large, but a fellow Ivy Leaguer will embrace one of their own with open arms and swear allegiance to their brethern when they encounter an “outsider”.

The real Damage Heather MacDonald has done here is to Heather MacDonald. People will no longer see her as a woman of great intellect and incisive logic – they will now see her as just another elitist who mocks the common man and his unfortunate plight as one who can never share the lofty plateau with their kind.

Jim M. on October 15, 2008 at 4:21 PM

They’re both confident that Obama has a first-rate intellect and a first-rate temperament, to borrow a phrase that’s been circulating, and so they’re both trusting somewhat blindly that he’ll take an intellectual, pragmatic approach to problem-solving rather than a nakedly ideological one. The bet, quite simply, is that events will pull him to the center. That’s some bet.

9 out of 10 rara avii (avis’? avises?) deem this an improbable outcome.

TheUnrepentantGeek on October 15, 2008 at 4:21 PM

I miss Ingraham :(

She isn’t on the local conservative radio station anymore, at least not when I listen to it.

Torch on October 15, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Kensington, that’s why one needs to remind the type of “intellectual” you’re talking about of the alternative meaning of PHD. eg. *Piled Higher and Deeper* when talking about the type that intellectualizes (endlessly) about things and can’t come to a decision. And, virtually NEVER displays common sense.

Webrider on October 15, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Inside the Obama camp, getting ready for the debate……..

Seven Percent Solution on October 15, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Sucker bet.

Obama’s gonna all of a sudden abandon the guiding ideals that he was nurtured with and lived for his whole life? I think not.

Heather MacDonald is willing to destroy American in the name of some “conservative excellence” notion?

As is Allahpundit; as is Malkin.

Blake on October 15, 2008 at 4:07 PM

You have become boring with your whining attacks on Allah and MM. What is your game? To keep trolling bitching until you get noticed by the bloggers here? You’ve already made your feelings known and have become tedious and redundant.

It’s a shame, because a lot of your comments are insightful and relevant.

hillbillyjim on October 15, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Heather sounded just stupid and silly and I am embarassed for her in that interview.

Noonan was on with Dennis Prager today, and she sounded like a precious imbecile, too, although Dennis didn’t seem to notice, which was disappointing.

Regardless, I don’t feel sorry for these ninnies because they are having a cancerous effect on the election. My feeling is resentment, and it will outlast the results next month, either way.

For the first time in my life, I understand why Nixon made an enemies list and am working on one of my own. At the top of it are cretins like Parker, Noonan, Buckley and Mac Donald.

Kensington on October 15, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Palin stands on her own merits. Those identity issues are just gravy to rub in the left’s grille. Why doesn’t this Heather chick get that? I think maybe she’s just jealous or has a hang up about politicians needing to be men.

Metro on October 15, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Heather MacDonald says, “I’m a pointy headed intellectual and Obama is calling me to the mother ship.”

snaggletoothie on October 15, 2008 at 4:26 PM

I agree with everything MacDonald said about Palin and everything Ingraham said about why conservative intellectuals must still vote for McCain.

Instead of picking on how she looks, maybe some of you huckleberries should try reading MacDonald. You might learn something.

Infidoll on October 15, 2008 at 4:27 PM

The 15 most entertaining minutes you’ll spend today, unless Maverick turns to Obama tonight and asks, “So, what’s up with you and terrorists?”

LMAO! That was the most entertaining two seconds of my day, for sure!

Tom Blogical on October 15, 2008 at 4:27 PM

I can’t help but notice the most hardcore conservative women have not flinched at all on Palin. Coulter, Malkin, Ingraham.
kangjie on October 15, 2008 at 4:19 PM

It’s meaningless if they don’t vote McCain/Palin or continually bash McCain which encourages voter suppression. You do not convince people to vote for McCain/Palin when you are always whining about McCain.

Blake on October 15, 2008 at 4:28 PM

BTW Obama can’t govern from the center because he doesn’t know where it is.

snaggletoothie on October 15, 2008 at 4:28 PM

The 15 most entertaining minutes you’ll spend today, unless Maverick turns to Obama tonight and asks, “So, what’s up with you and terrorists?”

LMAO! That was the most entertaining two seconds of my day, for sure!

Tom Blogical on October 15, 2008 at 4:27 PM

My exact thoughts when I first read it.

hillbillyjim on October 15, 2008 at 4:30 PM

To put it succinctly, Obama is a con-artist.

Vince on October 15, 2008 at 4:09 PM

He’s a pathological liar, and the ones I’ve known have been the best con-artists.

God save us from elitist intellectuals.

sloopy on October 15, 2008 at 4:31 PM

The longer he spends in college, the less common sense he retains. It’s literally astonishing.

Kensington on October 15, 2008 at 4:16 PM

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, specially combined with indoctrination and the arrogance that usually comes with some sectors of academia. It’s been interesting to see the stages some of my kids have gone through while in college. I reassure myself remembering that I went through it myself and yet in the end became the outstandingly brilliant intellect (and all around magnificent guy) that I am today ;)

neuquenguy on October 15, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Ya? Read Mark Steyn over at NRO today where he reminds everybody that most of these new Obamamaniacs BACKED McCAIN as the nominee. THEY STUCK US WITH HIM!

TheBigOldDog on October 15, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Have a link? I don’t see it there…

In any event, I have never felt “stuck” with McCain. I whole-heartedly endorse the man. Always have, well…since the day Fred Thompson dropped out.

JetBoy on October 15, 2008 at 4:33 PM

McDonald may not be able to define and defend Obambastic (who can) but she can tear apart the Palin meme. I read her article yesterday, and found myself cheering that someone had so clearly put on paper my long-held reservations about Palin.

The ‘conservative movement’ has been taken over by not the ‘far right’ but the ‘bizarre right,’ content to throw out everything but the anti-abortion plank and replace it all with identity politics. Palin is the clearest definition of ID politics since Jesse Jackson. No more need for intelligent discourse, extraordinary experience and achievement, wisdom and stature, anti-teen pregnancy (why are we rejoicing over Bristol?), real fiscal constraint, ethical governance (yes, I said it), non populism-cum-socialism (‘We’re gonna rid Wall Street of greed and corruption’ – hello, capitalism works on greed). Argh!!!!

Hard-core Palinites are EXACTLY the same as the Hard-core Obamanites they so willingly declaim, willing to overlook everything because they identify with her.

Obama is not the end of the country nor is Palin the Saviour of it.

I’m positive this will offend many of you, take it personally if you must, but please take it in the spirit of the old conservatism – unafraid to look ourselves squarely in the eye and not blame everyone else for our problems.

trailboss on October 15, 2008 at 4:34 PM

It doesn’t matter. At least not much. The so-called conservative elites will vote as they must. True conservatives do not want them around with all of their sound and fury anyway.

When the election is over, they are what they are. Better that they are out of the closet now so that all may see them for what they are. What goes around, comes around.

Clean up the party and start over.

Vince on October 15, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Bah Ram Ewe
Bah Ram Rwe
Sheep be true
Sheep be true
Bah Ram Ewe

Secret Obama Mantra to get the sheep to listen

Jed1899 on October 15, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Fabulous analogy!

Bah Ram Ewe!
Bah Ram Ewe!
To your breed, your fleece, your clan be true!
Sheep be True!
Bah Ram Ewe!

Let’s all get bumper stickers made that say Bah Ram Ewe with a big red X on the phrase.

Oink on October 15, 2008 at 4:38 PM

The 15 most entertaining minutes you’ll spend today, unless Maverick turns to Obama tonight and asks, “So, what’s up with you and terrorists?”

LMAO! That was the most entertaining two seconds of my day, for sure!

Tom Blogical on October 15, 2008 at 4:27 PM

Yep. That would be a game changer. Drop an Odinga bomb and we would have shock and awe for sure. I don’t see it happening. That said, McCain spent 5 1/2 years as a POW and would have earned the right to ask such a question. American voters just want to get to know Obama and what his guiding principles are. To this end we look at what he has done as a young man and the people and organizations that he has worked and associated with. We are only getting a very, very selective view. Either that or his resume is so damn thin it can’t be stretched any further. Actually, it could very well be the latter. : ))

Angry Dumbo on October 15, 2008 at 4:39 PM

It’s meaningless if they don’t vote McCain/Palin or continually bash McCain which encourages voter suppression. You do not convince people to vote for McCain/Palin when you are always whining about McCain.

Blake on October 15, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Which one of those is not going to vote Mccain ?
What people are not going to be convinced because the hear a conservative radio host bash Mccain?

The do not continually bash Mccain, they selectively bash Mccain. If they continually bash Mccain this would be the rachael Maddow show.

People are smart enough to actually get this and in fact it probably helps with so called independents that these three bash Mccain from time to time. Gives him some street cred with his bipartisan rhetoric.

kangjie on October 15, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Barney Frank went to Harvard I believe, and made it possibly that people who can’t pay loans back should get them.

I don’t think Sarah’s stupid at all: you can’t beat a sitting incumbent and get a pipeline built between two countries– a project that has been on the shelf for 30 years– and bring your state into the black being a moron. But regardless, Palin’s greatest asset is she has common sense and is not afraid to use it. In face, I’ve heard her say “common sense” many times on the campaign trail. It’s a wonderful thing, Ivy Mac Dork.

Pasalubong on October 15, 2008 at 4:40 PM

that should read “possible”– I’m an idiot

Pasalubong on October 15, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Obama is not the end of the country nor is Palin the Saviour of it.

trailboss on October 15, 2008 at 4:34 PM

The most idiotic statement I’ve read in ages. An Obama election is the utter destruction of the country I’ve known for all of my 63+ years.

Onager on October 15, 2008 at 4:40 PM

he’s at least able to talk intelligently about the issues, demonstrating that he’s thought about them to an extent Palin hasn’t (yet, anyway).

Last I checked, McCain was running for president against Obama, NOT Palin. Geez!

Common Sense on October 15, 2008 at 4:43 PM

JetBoy on October 15, 2008 at 4:33 PM

here I put in on FR earlier:

McCAINIACS FOR OBAMA! [Mark Steyn: Re: A sinking ship gathers no Ross]

TheBigOldDog on October 15, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Obama is not the end of the country nor is Palin the Saviour of it.

trailboss on October 15, 2008 at 4:34 PM

The most idiotic statement I’ve read in ages. An Obama election is the utter destruction of the country I’ve known for all of my 63+ years.

Onager on October 15, 2008 at 4:40 PM

As much as I can’t stand Obama, I have no doubt this great country will still be here, and still be the greatest, if Obama were to *shudder* be our President.

America is far greater than what one man can do to it.

JetBoy on October 15, 2008 at 4:44 PM

trailboss on October 15, 2008 at 4:34 PM

Utter nonsense. Palin’s “identity” may be a nice novelty, but it’s her conservative bona fides that make her so exciting.

If she were Governor Sam Palin and making the same stump speeches, I’d be just as enthusiastic.

How “bizarre,” huh?

Kensington on October 15, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Shouldn’t Heather, Kathleen Parker and Peggy Noonan be busy tormenting Macbeth?

Kensington on October 15, 2008 at 4:07 PM

:)

Sapwolf on October 15, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Palin is to Noonan and MacDonald what Obama is to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, a threat that must be neutralized or compromised. Jesse will get Barak to endorse his son, Jesse Jr., for Barak’s vacant Senate seat, and I’m sure Rev. Sharpton has negotiated a price for his silence from the Obama campaign and the U.S. taxpayer. Noonan and MacDonald want Palin to kiss their rings and she hasn’t. Recall Jesse Sr. wanted to cut off Barak’s onions a few months back.

You see we all got to get paid.

Angry Dumbo on October 15, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Just another ”CINO” (Conservative In Name Only), looking for a place at the White House table for a taste of the Bubbly and a little dab of expensive Goose Liver Foie Gras on a cracker.

Bambi says at his coronation ball, “Miss Heather, may have this dance?”

“Why thank you your excellency, it would be my honor”.

Over.

1GooDDaDDy on October 15, 2008 at 4:47 PM

As much as I can’t stand Obama, I have no doubt this great country will still be here, and still be the greatest, if Obama were to *shudder* be our President.

America is far greater than what one man can do to it.

JetBoy on October 15, 2008 at 4:44 PM

I strongly disagree. It will take generations or a revolution to recover.

Onager on October 15, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Obama is not the end of the country nor is Palin the Saviour of it.

trailboss on October 15, 2008 at 4:34 PM

The most idiotic statement I’ve read in ages. An Obama election is the utter destruction of the country I’ve known for all of my 63+ years.

Onager on October 15, 2008 at 4:40 PM

I don’t think trailboss and others have considered seriously what an Obama administration coupled with a Pelosi House and a filibuster-proof Reid Senate (God forbid) would be capable of doing in four years (besides attempting to put a lock on four more.)

hillbillyjim on October 15, 2008 at 4:49 PM

As much as I can’t stand Obama, I have no doubt this great country will still be here, and still be the greatest, if Obama were to *shudder* be our President.

America is far greater than what one man can do to it.

JetBoy on October 15, 2008 at 4:44 PM

I agree. If Jimmy Carter can’t kill our country, nobody can.

Tom Blogical on October 15, 2008 at 4:50 PM

Palin is the clearest definition of ID politics since Jesse Jackson. No more need for intelligent discourse, extraordinary experience and achievement, wisdom and stature, anti-teen pregnancy (why are we rejoicing over Bristol?), real fiscal constraint, ethical governance (yes, I said it), non populism-cum-socialism (’We’re gonna rid Wall Street of greed and corruption’ – hello, capitalism works on greed). Argh!!!!

Hard-core Palinites are EXACTLY the same as the Hard-core Obamanites they so willingly declaim, willing to overlook everything because they identify with her.

Obama is not the end of the country nor is Palin the Saviour of it.

I’m positive this will offend many of you, take it personally if you must, but please take it in the spirit of the old conservatism – unafraid to look ourselves squarely in the eye and not blame everyone else for our problems.

trailboss on October 15, 2008 at 4:34 PM

This is the biggest strawman of all
No such thing as a hard core Palinite, she has only been on the scene for 5 weeks. WTF are you talking about.
We simply can see someone being unfairly attacked from all sides
Was Bob dole or GW Bush or Dan quayle a freaking genius.
We vote or support the Republicans for policy reasons.
If mccain had of picked Pawlenty or romney most of us would still support the ticket.
intelligent discourse ? You call that rambling babble by Heather Mcdonald intelligent discourse ?
You call a Joe Biden speech intelligent discourse STFU

kangjie on October 15, 2008 at 4:50 PM

You know, I love Laura Ingraham…especially since she is hot. Also, I agree with her most of the time…not always…she didnt agree with the gov bailout, etc…but overall she is a good conservative…and hot.

However, she is wrong here…and Heather MacDonald schooled her. Just because somebody thinks Palin is not qualified does not mean that you think Obama IS qualified. That is silly.

Heather is exactly right. McCain, a fake republican, picked a veep based on her gender. Period. End of story.

Not only will that cost McCain this election (you cant out-democrat a democrat, and why would you want to?) but, more importantly it will badly hurt republicans in the future. In the future, if a republican ticket happens to have two white males….they will look like a step backward.

Republicans were supposed to believe in a meritocracy. The BEST PERSON gets the job regardless of sex, religion, color, etc. Not anymore.

Of course, the problem is that the party nominated a fake republican. McCain has hurt the republican party for the last 20 years…and will hurt it for the next 10-15 years.

I realize a minority of republicans are all energized and stuff over Palin and they go to her rallies, etc….but these are like the people who voted for Huck…identity politics…they liked HIS religion…the fact that he sucked the big one took a secondary consideration.

But, Laura is still hot.

GAME OVER MAN!! GAME OVER!!

Roger Waters on October 15, 2008 at 4:50 PM

Wait, this woman isn’t pleased with Sarah Palin.

I’m shocked, shocked!

Kensington on October 15, 2008 at 4:03 PM

Is that really necessary? Plenty of beautiful women don’t like her either.

Esthier on October 15, 2008 at 4:51 PM

In her previous excoriation of Palin, MacDonald didn’t indicate that she had, in fact, chosen a leftist as preferable in the Presidency to a Vice Presidential selection that she found lacking.

I am horrified to hear that she is actually endorsing this effing socialist piece of shi* because she thinks Palin is stupid. Unbelieveable.

When Laura put her to direct question on this, every time, MacDonald stalled, and then comes back with some shi* about she thinks he’ll make better decisions on the economy? Better than who? The GOP VP? He’s a fuc*ing socialist!

She has obviously lost her once excellent mind. This interview exposed her as either very stupid, or completely insane.

Jaibones on October 15, 2008 at 4:52 PM

I realize a minority of republicans are all energized and stuff over Palin

And now you’ve completely discreditted yourself.

Esthier on October 15, 2008 at 4:52 PM

piece of shi*

Interesting choice. Most people would star out the “i”.

Esthier on October 15, 2008 at 4:53 PM

The bet, quite simply, is that events will pull him to the center. That’s some bet.

With Democrats in the presidency and controlling both houses of Congress– riiiight.

obladioblada on October 15, 2008 at 4:54 PM

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