McCain’s new economic plan
posted at 8:50 am on October 14, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
John McCain has new proposals to soften the blow for Americans rocked by the financial instability of the past few weeks — especially for seniors. McCain offers both lowered capital-gains taxes and higher deductions for stock losses, both of which will help retirees managing their 401(k) and other investment vehicles for their income. The lowered capital-gains rate will also help boost re-investment:
Republican presidential nominee John McCain will unveil proposals Tuesday aimed at helping Americans cope with a sharp plunge in the stock market, including tax relief for senior investors.
The proposals, to be outlined by McCain in Pennsylvania, come as the Arizona senator tries to close a gap with Democrat Barack Obama, who leads in national polls and in several key states with three weeks to go until election day on November 4.
McCain economic adviser Doug Holtz-Eakin told Reuters that McCain would outline an estimated $52.5 billion in new proposals.
The cost estimate comes from a static analysis of the various proposals. We’ve talked about static analysis before; it assumes that tax policy has no effect on the market and therefore doesn’t take into account any economic stimulus or slowdown that results from the policy. Tax increases therefore overestimate revenues, while tax cuts overestimate revenue shortfalls, and this estimate does the same thing.
McCain will propose the following, from his press release this morning:
- John McCain Proposes That Withdrawals From Tax-Preferred Accounts - IRAs And 401(k)s - Should Be Taxed At The Lowest Rate - 10 Percent - In 2008 And 2009. This policy will apply to the first $50,000 withdrawn from these accounts each year and will affect the accounts of nearly nine million Americans over the age of 60, permitting them to devote more of their income to retirement needs.
- John McCain Has Called To Suspend The Tax Rules That Force Seniors To Sell Their Stocks In The Midst Of The Most Grave Financial Crisis Of Our Lifetime. Under current law, Americans with tax-preferred IRA and 401(k) accounts must begin to sell off their equities when they reach age 70½ – unless they continue to work, in which case they must sell when they retire. Forcing seniors to sell at this time guarantees less to live on during retirement and could affect over four million seniors. John McCain believes this should be immediately waived.
- John McCain Will Not Penalize Those Forced To Sell Off In Today’s Tough Markets. John McCain believes that we should increase the amount of capital losses which can be used in tax years 2008 and 2009 to offset ordinary income from $3,000 to $15,000.
- John McCain Will Strengthen Incentives To Save, Invest, And Restore The Liquidity Of Markets. John McCain proposes a reduction in the maximum tax rate on long term capital gains to 7.5 percent in 2009 and 2010.
These proposals make a lot of sense, both in the short term and in the long term. With the turmoil in the markets at the moment, the forced sale of stock from retirement portfolios could be disastrous for retirees. Raising the capital-loss ceiling to $15,000 will keep the failure from hitting the small investors as hard. The drop in in the capital-gains tax rate will do the most, though, in encouraging more investment in the economy and discourage people from sheltering capital from the current storm. That could fuel a boost to the economy that would help buffer us from recession, or at least shorten a recession that has probably already begun.
Team McCain also includes the mortgage purchase strategy they announced during the last debate. We’ve already covered this, but the release puts a little more meat on the bone:
The McCain Resurgence Plan Would Purchase Mortgages Directly From Homeowners And Mortgage Servicers, And Replace These Mortgages With Manageable, Fixed-Rate Mortgages That Will Keep Families In Their Homes. By purchasing the existing, failing mortgages the McCain resurgence plan will eliminate uncertainty over defaults, support the value of mortgage-backed derivatives and alleviate risks that are freezing financial markets.
The McCain Resurgence Plan Would Be Available To Mortgage Holders Who Live In Their Primary Residence And Can Prove Their Creditworthiness At The Time Of The Original Loan. The new mortgage would be an FHA-guaranteed fixed-rate mortgage at terms manageable for the homeowner.How The Program Works:
· An American buys a house that is his or her primary residence for $250,000 with a conservative, 20 percent downpayment ($50,000 down).
· His or her community property values fall by 30 percent, leaving him or her with a home worth $175,000 and a mortgage still worth $200,000.
· Under the McCain Plan, their mortgage would be retired, and they would receive a new, FHA guaranteed, 30-year fixed mortgage, at a low interest rate that reflects historical norms and the current market value of his home.
The Direct Cost Of This Plan Would Be About $300 Billion And Will Represent A Portion Of The $700 Billion Provided By Congress In The Recent Financial Market Stabilization Bill. The purchase of mortgages would relieve homeowners of “negative equity” in some homes. By stabilizing mortgages it will likely be possible to avoid some purposes previously assumed needed in that bill.
That would direct much of the funding for the bailout of mortgage-backed securities to the actual homeowners rather than the investors who bought the securities. That would indirectly stabilize the MBSs while not providing a direct bailout to the speculators who built derivatives on derivatives. It’s not a great solution — there simply isn’t any “great solution” to be had — but if the bailout exists, it’s not a bad direction in which to take it. Keeping it limited to primary residences (no investment properties) and only those homeowners who would have qualified for the mortgage under normal lending rules helps weed out the people who took unnecessary risks, while supporting those who got victimized by the government-created housing bubble.
All in all, not bad — a plan designed to fix the economy as well as rescue individuals by lowering the tax burden. Now McCain needs to communicate just that in his rollout.










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too little, too late to help mccain…he’s already conceded the election to obama by voting for the bailout
right4life on October 14, 2008 at 8:53 AM
There is one solution that I’ve only heard once. The government should declare all credit default swaps null and void and illegal to write new ones until further notice.
These are the “toxic” items and they instantly disappear WITHOUT ANY BAILOUT OR COST TO TAXPAYERS.
CC
CapedConservative on October 14, 2008 at 8:55 AM
John McCain – a Bob Dole redo.
jake-the-goose on October 14, 2008 at 8:55 AM
Why do McCain’s proposals always sound like they were written by a green-eyeshaded legislative analyst?
This is a presidential election, for God’s sake, not a financial planning seminar.
BigD on October 14, 2008 at 8:57 AM
Don’t surrender the field before the enemy even gets here guys.
Browncoatone on October 14, 2008 at 8:58 AM
I also think that McCain needs to talk common sense about Obama magical $ 250,000.00. Taxing the crap out of small business is going to cut into company growth. Who is going to do more for the economy your Boss with growing your business and creating greater income for your family or the Government.
How about a little straight talk that makes sense?
cmptrnerd on October 14, 2008 at 9:04 AM
this is more tinkering at the margins…he needed to have a radically conservative plan to show the difference between him and obama…but he can’t because he’s not that different….how many times did obama say ‘I agree with john’?
right4life on October 14, 2008 at 9:05 AM
A serious and effective rollout of this plan is paramount right now. McCain’s already behind an 8-ball because he let Obama beat him to the punch with a new plan yesterday.
The mortgage buyout plan is INFINITELY better than Obama’s 90-day foreclosure moratorium. Most struggling homeowners are not in foreclosure, but a lot of ACORN clients are, and that is who Obama’s proposal is aimed at. It’s also a proposal that Obama slammed when Hillary Clinton made it last spring. McCain’s plan will help a lot more DESERVING people whose only mistake was buying a home in an area where a lot of speculators and deadbeats also bought homes. It also keeps the mortgage market functioning smoothly, while Obama’s moratorium would make things worse by scaring investors away from new mortgage lending.
McCain can win this in the debate tomorrow if he makes these points.
As for the tax plans, I think they are terrific. McCain should also remind voters that Obama in the spring proposed to RAISE the capital gains tax, as a matter of “fairness.” I doubt many workers will be comforted by this tax fairness when they lose their jobs because their employers have to pay more taxes.
My parents are in their late 80s and they HATE that law that forces them to withdraw from their retirement account. My dad has bitched about it for yars. McCain’s proposal on this could help win Florida and Pennsylvania.
But again, it depends on the rollout and how hard the campaign pounds the message until Election Day.
rockmom on October 14, 2008 at 9:06 AM
Let’s talk about SPENDING CUTS please.
lodge on October 14, 2008 at 9:06 AM
Who would’ve thought that Bob Dole would be looking good as a candidate. At least Bob Dole knew how to fight the good campaign instead of starting political rallies by telling Republicans that Obama won’t make a bad president!
highhopes on October 14, 2008 at 9:06 AM
I guess the saving grace is that if I had to put money on the table, I doubt that any of the three heard will actually vote.
CC
CapedConservative on October 14, 2008 at 9:06 AM
John McCain will become the 44th president of the U.S.
Remember, remember,
On the 5th of November
The Liberals’ treason and plot.
I know of no reason
Why the Liberals’ treason
Should ever be forgot.
ManlyRash on October 14, 2008 at 9:07 AM
I think this is an error. As far as I know, minimum withdrawals must begin at 70 1/2 whether you continue to work or not.
JiangxiDad on October 14, 2008 at 9:07 AM
Mac has got to do a better job of explaining conservative economic principles at the debate tomorrow. Most people have no idea why “tax cuts for the rich” are good for everybody else.
jgapinoy on October 14, 2008 at 9:07 AM
And there is the problem. McCain’s campaign has absolutely no focus. He and Palin flit from issue to issue without a comprehensive message to the voters.
highhopes on October 14, 2008 at 9:07 AM
Yeah, let’s legislate away over 40 trillion in liquidity – that will help…
Vashta.Nerada on October 14, 2008 at 9:08 AM
nice poem!! I’d be surprised if mccain wins…its time for the bi-racial messiah….and dark days for the US…but its a sign of the times…
mccain is doing the moderate republican dance..I’m like the democrat, only less…
we’re in a great deal of trouble…
right4life on October 14, 2008 at 9:10 AM
There’s no such thing as “without any cost to taxpayers.” Only human beings pay taxes. We may pay directly or indirectly but either way only human beings pay.
Mojave Mark on October 14, 2008 at 9:10 AM
Yeah, Dole was so great! He fell off the stage and hollered “where’s the outrage” for 3 months. Let Clinton turn Newt Gingrich into his running mate. Never ran a single ad that was memorable. Picked a has-been Jack Kemp as his running mate and then had him suck up to the NAACP
and try to pander for minority votes.
I miss that campaign. :rolleyes
Dude, we know you hate McCain and have since this campaign started last year. Please enjoy your “I told you so’s” while the rest of us try to win this election and save the U.S. taxpayer from the tsunami that is coming.
rockmom on October 14, 2008 at 9:10 AM
That’s a heck of a lot better than socialist wealth redistribution of the already economically suffering, although, Hussein would disagree.
madmonkphotog on October 14, 2008 at 9:11 AM
Quite frankly, I don’t get it.
Why doesn’t this economic crisis represent a boon for McCain?
That lower taxation will foster investment, job creation and growth should be an easy sell now.
Republicans want to reduce taxes, Socialists want to raise them.
McCain should just promise a extensive tax cuts accross the board.
Let the Republicans buy this election with tax cuts, as apposed to the democrats buying it with handouts.
Handouts that would inhibit economic recovery.
//Case poorly made, but im not awake yet.
Thune on October 14, 2008 at 9:11 AM
Which is where it falls apart.
Kim Hartveld on October 14, 2008 at 9:11 AM
Indeed he does.
Which means, if recent history is any indicator, that he won’t even bring it up in the debate tomorrow.
Vyce on October 14, 2008 at 9:13 AM
I abhor the bailout . . . it sucks, it stinks, it’s socialism and a blow to our free enterprise system. Having said that, it nevertheless was necessary to combat the sense of hopelessness and despair among the intellectually shallow and panicky masses. As strange as it seems the mere mention of such an enormous amount of money soothed the frightened populace. We faced both a financial crisis and a crisis of confidence . . . under the circumstances McCain voted correctly and his latest economic fixes are sound.
rplat on October 14, 2008 at 9:13 AM
It does sound like surrender to me also.
KBird on October 14, 2008 at 9:14 AM
Remember, remember,
On the 5th of November
The ACORN treason and plot.
I know of no reason
Why the ACORN treason
Should ever be forgot.
Fixed it for ya.
Browncoatone on October 14, 2008 at 9:15 AM
Let’s cut to the Fox & Friends tape from a Hot Air post yesterday.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/13/video-obamas-redistributionism/
Conclusions: McCain needs to incorprate some of Obama’s words into an ad. And someone should consider making a line of T-shirts with at least two slogans–”Don’t tax me, bro” and “Don’t steal and spread my wealth, bro.”
BuckeyeSam on October 14, 2008 at 9:15 AM
I did not write it. It’s an old poem, written not long after Guy Fawkes’ failed attempt to blow up the Houses of Paliament.
ManlyRash on October 14, 2008 at 9:16 AM
You only made it more specific. ACORN is a subset of Liberals.
ManlyRash on October 14, 2008 at 9:18 AM
This is rich person’s bull****. These stupid people actually worked like ants and saved for retirement??? Did they actually think for uno momento that the Government would let them keep that stuff??? What this country really needs are more big screen TV’s and fancy kitchens like the one those people who couldn’t afford health insurance for their kids had. The only way this country can become solvent again is for the old people to give their money to young people like Obama and Raines and Teddy and … wait a minute! Teddy ain’t young — oh well, it’s the heart that matters, right?
unclesmrgol on October 14, 2008 at 9:19 AM
Nice, but it won’t get him any votes.
How many undecided voters even qualify for any of those things or understand it?
All people understand is either CUT TAXES or RAISE TAXES.
And that McCain has to get people to undersand the following formulas: McCain = Cut Taxes and Obama = Raise Taxes. (Most people think it is the opposite.)
—————-
And whatever McCain does, the media will cast it as an act of desperation or erratic behavior.
McCain’s campaign is a real puzzler.
Is it almost time to start printing up my “I Didn’t Vote for Obama” t-shirt?
albill on October 14, 2008 at 9:19 AM
You think credit default swaps are liquidity??????? Unbelievable….
CC
CapedConservative on October 14, 2008 at 9:22 AM
Today’s WSJ makes clear that the federal government has been happily underwriting Acorn for years. Taxpayer revolt?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122394051071230749.html?mod=rss_opinion_main
BuckeyeSam on October 14, 2008 at 9:22 AM
Liberal is a vague, undefined term that describes a large number of foolish people who are not actually traitors.
ACORN on the other hand…
Browncoatone on October 14, 2008 at 9:22 AM
And the amount is closer to $60 trillion of these bogus “insurance” bets on whether or not a debt will go bad.
CC
CapedConservative on October 14, 2008 at 9:23 AM
There is already a plan to cope with the MBS on the books of financial institutions. How does this augment/improve that one? What do other economists say? How will the market react to the plan?
How is the voter supposed to assess this?
People are expected to read and understand this and then be able to judge if it’s a good idea or not?
JiangxiDad on October 14, 2008 at 9:24 AM
I think it’s a brilliant plan. Explaining the complexities to the American people will be a challenge however.
Plus, I like the head fake yesterday where Team McCain said he had no new proposals in the works. That gave Barry another day to devise more Marxist proposals and utter words that we can hang him with.
Buy Danish on October 14, 2008 at 9:25 AM
Enough of this defeatist crap! I’m sick of people already conceding this election to Obama.
Don’t people realise that whatever happens in the US effects the rest of the world. The problems of Wall Street and the sub prime mortgage debacle in the US are hurting Australians as well.
Already insurance premiums, transportation costs, some vital infrastructure projects delayed, etc, etc. are happening in Australia.
If Obama wins we all lose, not only Americans.
Crux Australis on October 14, 2008 at 9:25 AM
If he fails to make the case today I’m with you. But as it stands this is still just a 6:30am press release.
Who pissed in everyone’s cornflakes this morning? Three weeks to go, people.
DrSteve on October 14, 2008 at 9:26 AM
Once again proof that the private sector does it better!
check out these ads from http://neverfindout.org/
Taxes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95c0PeKrq4U&eurl=http://neverfindout.org/
Ayers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sDcKHd_fvU&eurl=http://neverfindout.org/
Chicken
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geaYuQq5Gag&eurl=http://neverfindout.org/
Nice Try
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI7kDtlOpaQ&eurl=http://neverfindout.org/
They have a least a dozen different ads that blow away McCains ads on the same subject.
cmptrnerd on October 14, 2008 at 9:26 AM
Any asset has liquidity – perhaps you should do some research
Vashta.Nerada on October 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM
Dow opening above 360! Democrats, Michelle’s kids hardest hit………
Rovin on October 14, 2008 at 9:33 AM
What?? highhopes hates McCain??
Interesting. I would never have guessed.
wise_man on October 14, 2008 at 9:34 AM
I don’t think it was necessary, given the market dropped 2000 points after it was passed.
I think this whole ‘crisis’ was contrived, an october surprise…the people who are supposed to express confidence in our economic system (paulson et al) were running around screaming if we don’t pass this we’re all gonna DIE
I think it was just designed to elect the messiah, and to get more power for the government…they’ve SAVED us hallelujah….
its a joke.
right4life on October 14, 2008 at 9:36 AM
Do you know what a CDS is? Is is a kind of insurance policy where essentially, a bet is placed on whether or not a bundle of debt goes bad. The “issuer” definitely does not show this as an asset. The “holder” doesn’t either. These are unregulated and do not appear on anyones balance sheets. These ARE the “toxic” items that ARE causing banks to not lend to one another because no one knows who is holding them.
Reasearch?
Sure… try these and maybe you will LEARN something.
Excellent explanation of the credit default swap bailout.
http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/amerman/2008/0910.html
Bailout of AIG was directly caused by Credit Default Swaps:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94700734
FANNIE/FREDDIE bailout caused $1 Trillion of Credit Default Swaps to trigger…
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/gse-bailout-triggers-over-1-trillion/story.aspx?guid=%7B0BD9AF95-0034-4309-85FE-03A8B7B77B32%7D&dist=hplatest
I have plenty more if you care to learn any more…
CC
CapedConservative on October 14, 2008 at 9:38 AM
Who eats the $25000 loss in the example provided? The taxpayer?
Why should the responsible taxpayer, who pays bills on time and didn’t over extend, have to subsidize the irresponsible? Why should the irresponsible be given better loan terms than those who are responsible and bailing them out?
McCain is clueless and this flailing about proves it. He was an inferior candidate from day one and now the chickens are coming home to roost. I hope the RNC, who shoved this liberal down our throats, is happy with the prospect of throwing away this election. Did they actually think they could win the election while completely alienating their conservative base? Fools…
voiceofreason on October 14, 2008 at 9:38 AM
Got a mirror?
CC
CapedConservative on October 14, 2008 at 9:41 AM
Eliminating forced selling will also buoy the markets. Less selling means less downward pressure on prices. A very good thing right now.
MarkTheGreat on October 14, 2008 at 9:41 AM
Hmmm… great idea… then let’s move on to wage & price controls. A free market is a force of nature like gravity. Sooner or later, it will win.
CC
CapedConservative on October 14, 2008 at 9:44 AM
Reagan and his graphs could sell it convincingly. McCain…I doubt. He hasn’t had a lifelong commitment to conservative economic ideas and it shows through in his lack of passion when discussing economics.
whitetop on October 14, 2008 at 9:45 AM
No kidding? Man, what a waste of time and money my MBA was!
I discounted the CDS market to allow for contracts which will not settle. The seller is contractually obligated to pay the buyer the difference between the par value and the current market value, or pay the par value upon receipt of title to the underlying property. They made the contracts, time to pay up. These are adults in a supposedly free country who need to take responsibility for their actions.
Instead, you want the government to simply cancel these contracts between people, and write off the money? Perhaps a course in basic economics would suit you, before you waste more time reading financial blogs.
Vashta.Nerada on October 14, 2008 at 9:46 AM
The same people that are saying that McCain are done were the same people saying Bush was done on Election day in 04 and 00, they’re also the same people that said we were going into a recession/depression.
Indeed, harbringer.
leetpriest on October 14, 2008 at 9:46 AM
Fixed…
CC
CapedConservative on October 14, 2008 at 9:46 AM
Wow those neverfindout adds are awesome.
We could so be winning this election.
Thune on October 14, 2008 at 9:49 AM
USS Houston/HMAS Perth. God bless ‘em!
The greatest test of brotherhood, fight or flee. Thanks, brother.
Limerick on October 14, 2008 at 9:51 AM
I thought bush was going to win in 00 and 04…yeah we’re headed for a recession, no doubt.
we’ll see in a few weeks….but I just don’t see much enthusiasm for mccain…
right4life on October 14, 2008 at 9:51 AM
The joke and the fools are some here that have no clue that the world’s credit markets were about to go down the rabbit whole and cause a global depression. Will these “patches” work?—–who knows. But whining about conservative pricipals in a time of crisis does nothing to stop the bleeding with the “finger in the dam” mentality. Just because some of you don’t/can’t comprehend the severity of this economic crisis doesn’t mean John McCain does not either.
Rovin on October 14, 2008 at 9:52 AM
Sorry, I can’t claim it as originally mine… Ben Stein. You wasted your money on your MBA… must have been from Harvard.
Credit Default Swap:
Someone loans $5B at 8% for 5 years.
Same someone “buys” default swap for $200K per month as “insurance” the $5B won’t go bad from company like… AIG.
Someone else buys a swap on that same debt (makes a bet it will go bad) from AIG or someone else… both parties can be completely unrelated to the transaction. This leverage is how we have $60B in default swaps.
Neither company shows this “insurance policy” on their books because it is unregulated… it just BINGO shows up when the debt defaults. Hence, everyone afraid to lend to everyone else… they don’t know if someone, no matter how big or how “AAA” they are rated will be their tomorrow.
If cancelled, the $200K payment stops and the liability on the part of AIG goes away. The only real money lost is the $200K income stream to the one receiving it that made the bet the debt would go bad.
Or, does you MBA have a better explanation of credit default swaps?
CC
CapedConservative on October 14, 2008 at 9:53 AM
I am sick of screaming at the radio and television. I am sick of hearing “my friends”. I am sick of wimpy Rinos who don’t fight like the libs. I am sick of losing our country. If juan mccain cant put two coherent sentences together explaining what bHo will do to our country, he should step down. I cringe at the idea of watching tomorrow nights train wreck….mr slim vs yosemite sam. At this point, shrillary would have been better. Sad state.
texaninfidel on October 14, 2008 at 9:54 AM
Oh snap!
Thune on October 14, 2008 at 9:55 AM
Oveall, this plan seems to make a lot of sense, especially since it re-directs some of the bailout money toward homeowners faced with foreclosure rather than bankers who made the bad loans. Homeowners who have such loans will like this plan, while voters probably don’t have much sympathy for banks who were eager to rip off consumers with ARMs while things were booming, then expect a government bailout when things go south. Of course, if the government replaces a bad loan with a fixed-rate loan, it needs to pay off the banks, but that helps the banks, indirectly, not directly, and it’s an easier political sell–helping the middle-class victims of this mess, not the “greedy” bankers.
McCain’s plan for IRA’s and 401k’s makes sense–for those about to retire, who might be “forced” to sell at a loss under current law, either letting them declare losses for tax purposes or giving them an option to withdraw later (after the market has recovered) is a great idea.
Compare that to what Obama proposed–waiving penalties for EARLY withdrawal from IRA’s and 401k’s for people below retirement age. Talk about economic cluelessness! Let’s face it–people who have jobs, and are not in danger of foreclosure would be NUTS to withdraw from IRA’s and 401k’s now–why lock in losses when they could profit from the recovery by leaving their money in the market? Besides, giving people an INCENTIVE to pull their money out now would trigger a new wave of selling and force the market lower, at a time when the market needs buyers!
McCain’s plan is clearly better, but McCain needs to explain. Let’s hear some “Straight Talk” at tomorrow’s debate!
Steve Z on October 14, 2008 at 9:56 AM
Good point.
ManlyRash on October 14, 2008 at 9:56 AM
First off, don’t call me “dude.” We don’t know each other that well (and frankly that’s the way I want it).
Second, I don’t hate McCain but I am critical of his record. Those of you who want to gloss over his amnesty scheme or the way he circumvented the First Amendment are doing the nation a disservice and you will be the first to express shock when McCain starts doing all the things you claim Obama will be doing. McCain’s no conservative and you are deluding yourself if you think he is the last great hope for the conservative movement.
Finally, I’d be very happy with a McCain win over Obama but I’m being honest about what needs to be done. McCain is running a bad campaign no matter how nasty you want to get that is a reality. Go out there and pretend everything is going well if you want but McCain is failing to connect with the electorate and there are only three weeks left. He needs to focus his campaign and people like you need to get a clue. To win, McCain needs more help than everybody denying that his campaign has real problems and not a whole lot of time to fix it.
highhopes on October 14, 2008 at 9:59 AM
If I’m the one holding the swap, I sure don’t want it cancelled – the government stepping in just removed my profit opportunity.
Where do you get the idea the government has the right to step in and cancel contracts between people?
Vashta.Nerada on October 14, 2008 at 10:01 AM
Shouldn’t you be paying attention to your math teacher about now?
Like I told the other loser, there is a difference between “hate” and being critical. It’s a difference that is clearly lost on you feeble-minded trolls.
highhopes on October 14, 2008 at 10:04 AM
The same place they get the right to (partially) own “some” banks or pump trillions of dollars into the market when six months ago, they were concerned the $50B worth of checks mailed out might bump inflation.
Nice change of subject by the way…
CC
CapedConservative on October 14, 2008 at 10:09 AM
or maybe… re-write mortgages…
CC
CapedConservative on October 14, 2008 at 10:10 AM
yeah why stick with principles? abandon them at the first sign of trouble and pray to the government to save us!!
right4life on October 14, 2008 at 10:12 AM
you know the government caused this mess…and now the government saves us…blessed be the name of the government, and its new bi-racial messiah!!
seriously how does jettisoning our principles in the name of expediancy help the cause of freedom???
right4life on October 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM
There is a prominent LIBERAL economist out of Stanford that has written that government intervention (FDR) prolonged our depression by 6-8 years.
CC
CapedConservative on October 14, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Had the GOP stuck to principles, McCain would have never been the nominee. That’s past history and inconsequential at this point other than make note of the fact that the GOP leadership that pushed through a McCain candidacy thought that the way to victory was through finding somebody almost as liberal as the Democrat nominee (presumably Hillary at the time) to draw off votes from the left.
The reality was and is the GOP should have been fighting the other fight- the one based on principles of lower taxes, smaller government, and fiscal responsibility. They should have been waging the fight with a true conservative that would be able to set up a clear distinction from the other candidate (and certainly wouldn’t be praising the other guy at the beginning of GOP rallies). A Republican, no matter how liberal, is never going to win when he/she attempt to out-Democrat the Democrat party. It’s a lesson for 2012.
highhopes on October 14, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Your original point was that all these contracts should be cancelled by the government. My point was that these are contracts that should be completed, bringing additional liquidity into the market. I was trying to get you back on subject.
Vashta.Nerada on October 14, 2008 at 10:20 AM
They’ve got great ads, but if they’re not on TV, how many swing voters will ever see them?
Steve Z on October 14, 2008 at 10:22 AM
I almost don’t care what the plan is, so long as McCain learns it and can describe it well in a few sentences.
james23 on October 14, 2008 at 10:22 AM
That’s right. The homeowner, who signed up for a mortgage he could not afford, gets $25,000 of his mortgage debt forgiven, courtesy of the taxpayer. Meanwhile, the guy next door, who bought at the same time and has also seen the value of his house decline by the same amount but who paid more money down and thus has a smaller mortgage, gets nothing (except a higher tax bill next year, to help pay for the bailout given to his irresponsible neighbor). Yeah, that’s fair.
Instead of trying to “keep people in their homes” that they can’t afford, why don’t we formulate some tax policies to make purchasing houses more attractive to people who have money to invest. The mortgage-backed securities, and the institutions that hold them, are in trouble because housing prices have fallen sharply and houses on the market now aren’t selling. If we create incentives to buy houses (for people who can afford them), then the current oversupply will begin to diminish, prices will begin to stabilize, and MBS’s will recover some value. Why not offer a large tax deduction to any taxpayer who purchases a house (for any reason: as a primary residence, a rental property, a vacation home, etc.) in the next three or four years? Why not bring back/increase the tax deductions for people who own rental homes? If we made it attractive enough, people would start buying up the current inventory of homes and get the market moving again.
No, it doesn’t help the guy who signed up for the mortgage that he now can’t afford, but that’s tough. He made a choice, and he should have to live with the consequences of that choice — his irresponsibility shouldn’t entitle him to get “free” money from taxpayers. He can default on his mortgage, move into a rental property, and spend the next several years trying to rebuild his credit by living within his means and making more responsible choices with his money.
AZCoyote on October 14, 2008 at 10:26 AM
On that we agree. Given that the number of companies going out of business would have been really huge, they obviously needed to go out of business. That is usually what happens to those that take excessive risk for the potential of high returns. My statement was based on Ben Stein’s observation that if the default swaps are the underlying problem, why re-write mortgage contracts or spend many trillions of taxpayer dollars when the cancellation of the default swaps contracts would have accomplished the same thing instantly without the trillions and without a huge number of companies going out of business.
As I think you seem to be saying, and I agree, the government should have stayed out. Fiddle with the money supply and with the discount rate but keep taxpayers out of it.
CC
CapedConservative on October 14, 2008 at 10:28 AM
How about lengthening the term, but not changing the amount or rate? This greatly reduces the monthly payment. And if the homeowner finds something better in the future, let him refinance.
JiangxiDad on October 14, 2008 at 10:31 AM
I’m guessing that you are so p*ssed at McCain that you are lashing out without reading anything that sounds like it approves of his plan.
1) Selling causes downward pressure on prices.
Do you agree with or disagree with this statement. If you disagree please specify why you believe the general theory of economics is wrong.
2) The current law states that people must start selling their 401K etc, at a certain age.
Do you agree or disagree. If you disagree please specify where an how my reading of current law is wrong.
3) McCain’s proposal suspends this requirement to sell.
Do you agree or disagree. If you disagree, please specify where and how my reading of McCain’s proposal is wrong.
4) McCain’s plan will result in less selling now.
Do you agree or disagree? If you disagree please specify how a plan that removes a requirement to sell will not result in less selling.
5) Since McCain’s plan will result in less selling, there will be less downward pressure on prices.
Do you agree or disagree.
MarkTheGreat on October 14, 2008 at 10:32 AM
I’d also love to see how you justify your claim that eliminating a requirement to sell is the equivalent of wage and price controls.
MarkTheGreat on October 14, 2008 at 10:34 AM
I was going to say that this is what liberals do, then I remembered that to a liberal praying to govt to save us at the first sign of trouble is there principle.
MarkTheGreat on October 14, 2008 at 10:39 AM
Local talk radio this morning included a long discussion about how many people are annoyed by the constant use of “my friends” in McCain’s speeches. They also tended to agree with Bill Kristol that McCain’s entire staff needs to be fired. Local favorites for replacement included Mary Matalin, Newt Gingrich, and Dick Morris (with Karl Rove being a silent partner)
highhopes on October 14, 2008 at 10:42 AM
No one’s suggesting you abandon your principals R4, it just appears that while you tear down every idea McCain comes up with, nothing contstuctive comes from your keyboard that suggest you have a better idea. Obama and Pelosi’s proposed government bailouts, (with added pork and more social experiments) far exceeds Macs plan that bypasses much of the financial “risktakers” and attempts to save the legitimate QUALIFIED home-owner caught up in this mess. Does this whole bailout stick in the craw of conservatives that see this government intervention another form of entitlement? YOU BET. I hate it too, my friend, but standing on principals in this case is like standing on the deck of the Titanic and the lifeboats are all gone. Survival first. Then we can all beat up on the morons that got us here, (Dodd,Frank and all the rest of the preditory lending enablers of a social experiment gone nuts).
One question: Have you heard Obama mention promoting a FREEZE ON ALL ENTITLEMENTS AND SPENDING???? Did your “liberal” RINO McCain call for this last week? I guess this was not a conservative principal either?
Rovin on October 14, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Answers inserted…
CapedConservative on October 14, 2008 at 10:48 AM
Big +1 AZ! (of course, you will be labled a racist for this insensitive comment. Where’s you compassion? /sarc
Rovin on October 14, 2008 at 10:49 AM
hey, thats raaaaaaaacits.
Mercy4Me on October 14, 2008 at 10:55 AM
They think that “being critical” of McCain, pretending to be back in a time while the republican primary was still ongoing and regurgitating lines like “Had the GOP stuck to principles, McCain would have never been the nominee.” and other such garbage that tries to invalidate the vote of all the republicans who picked the nominee.
No, they offer nothing constructive. Yes, they call anyone and everyone who points this out trolls or McCain shills. And yes, they are acting like spoiled little brats who cry when they don’t get their way. It’s really beneath them. At least that’s what I used to think. Now I see that it’s appropriate to where they are, as they are the ones who have decided to reject reality and tunnel down into their own fantasy world as a way of coping. Meanwhile, the rest of us plan to participate in trying to keep Obama from becoming president, and voting for McCain. They are welcomed to join us in the real world whenever they wish.
I’m just going to have an even thinner skin when these same people, if Obama wins, come out and whine and b*tch about how bad things are when they were the ones who were crapping on the only solution to trying to keep Obama from becoming president.
wise_man on October 14, 2008 at 10:55 AM
If McCain is smart, he’ll bring up the Obama-Plumber conversation in the debate.
That’s as clear a distinction as any McCain could make:
Ordinary Americans like the Ohio plumber have a better grasp of economic & taxation policies than Senator Obama.
Marybeth on October 14, 2008 at 10:58 AM
Nail.. meet head.
CC
CapedConservative on October 14, 2008 at 10:59 AM
its real simple…repeal CRA and SOX…eliminate capital gains tax and business tax.
the economy would boom like crazy.
but that wouldn’t appeal to the massess…
hell NO…principles first.
right4life on October 14, 2008 at 11:01 AM
And I’m gonna jam it down your throat if McCain wins and immediately starts in on the liberal agenda that is his real record. I want to see you defend amnesty, higher taxes on corporations, and all the other stuff McCain has indicated he would enact but trolls like you demand we overlook just to get the man elected.
highhopes on October 14, 2008 at 11:07 AM
As long as you think that Obama is the better choice, high hopes. At least be honest with us.
wise_man on October 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM
McCain could hit a home run and maybe just pull of a stunning upset if he would come out full force for the FairTax.
Upon implementation, IRA and 401(k) plan withdrawals would not be taxed. Everyone would take home their full paychecks.
With the elimination of the business income taxes, the USA would go from being a country with one of the highest corporate taxes rates to virtually eliminating all taxes on business. Who would doubt that companies would fall all over themselves to move or “set up shop” here?
With such an explosion in business, people would be saying, “Recession? What recession?”
Wildcatter1980 on October 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Then Hotair isn’t for you, as it’s become the go-to shop for all of your defeatism needs. Please see our propietor, Allahpundit. Meanwhile, a few of us, such as you, Manlyrash and myself, do not believe it’s a forgone conclusion that Barry O is going to win.
Vyce on October 14, 2008 at 11:14 AM
McCain has just taken the other side in Obama’s economic class warfare plan.
McCain is supporting Old investors (how it will be spun), while Obama supports Familys, Houses, and College… (tax rebates for each…)…
McCain’s gonna loose on this one, even though the ONLY thing that either has said which will help the economy, is his Capital Gains Tax cut (but it needs to be permanent).
Romeo13 on October 14, 2008 at 11:19 AM
You creepy liar! Not only do you call anybody who is critical of any aspect of McCain’s record an “Obama supporter” but I demand you show me one post where I expressed support of Obama or think he the better choice. Just one post you miserable prick- that’s all you need to do.
You won’t find it because I’ve simply been realistic and honest in my posting which is something you can’t possibly claim what with being a troll so deep in the tank for McCain you refuse to mention areas of disagreement with the man which makes you a moron or a completely unthinking. In either case, your posts are a waste of everybody’s time because they don’t represent opinion, they represent RNC propaganda and there is enough of that from the campaign without you demanding we all accept it as gospel truth.
Again you prick, show me one post where I said Obama was the better choice.
highhopes on October 14, 2008 at 11:36 AM
Purely from a campaign tactics perspective, if I were McCain, I would not announce new things like this before the debate. O!’s pattern has been to say “me too” to any proposal of McCain’s that gains traction with the public… and the MSM never challenges O! on these things, even when he has completely reversed his earlier positions.
Actually, Manly went through a pretty annoying phase of defeatism not that long ago. But, thankfully, he does seem to have come back to his senses.
Crux, to counterbalance the defeatism that frequently permeates the comments by HA posters (some of which is just trolling, some of which is bitterness from folks whose candidates didn’t win the primaries), I highly recommend that you salt in frequent visits to Ace of Spades for some injections of pro-Republican fighting spirit, Rush for his pep talks to discouraged callers, and visit IowaHawk for some real conservative belly laughs!
Y-not on October 14, 2008 at 11:40 AM
I think the point is that to be a “nay sayer” at this stage is little different than what astroturfers do here. McCain is not the first choice of most here. McCain is the better choice over Obama of most here. To behave like an astroturfer, even though you may not be one, is to serve the same purpose to suppress the vote.
At least, that is the point as I understand it.
CC
CapedConservative on October 14, 2008 at 11:42 AM
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