It’s not about Ayers or Wright, it’s about Sen. Obama’s tendency to seek out radical leftist, marxist friends like he articulated in his book, ‘Dreams From My Father’.

I can only hope.

Must be getting some traction somwhere or they would not bother to answer.

I think the word for the drinking game should be “ACORN”.

HornetSting on October 14, 2008 at 4:03 PM

I concur. And may none of us be sober by the end!

Wake the hell up!

Democracies, I agree- but this is a Republic, not sure the same applies.

irongrampa on October 14, 2008 at 3:14 PM

I’d have to say we quit being a Republic once the Constitution was changed to make the Senate into a popularity contest, instead of Senators being the direct representative of the State Governments. States no longer have ANY direct say over Federal policy. I think that changed us from a Republic, to a Representative Democracy.

To speak disparagingly of our candidate now is no different than astroturfing. No way around that statement.

CC

CapedConservative on October 14, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Sorry gotta disagree that voicing criticism is the same thing as speaking disparagingly. Maybe it is because I’m more of an independent conservative than allied to the current version of the GOP (they lost me when they started spending like Democrats). I can back up my criticism with facts and reasons why I disagree with McCain’s position. Speaking disparagingly means spewing the usual round of character smears and/or saying he is running for GWB’s third term. Likewise I can point to areas where I agree with McCain on the issues but that doesn’t mean I’m an “Obama supporter” if I don’t spend all my time saying nice things about McCain- no matter how untrue or trivial.

I’ve been critical of Obama too but in the HA audience, apparently, being critical of Democrats is perfectly acceptable but criticism McCain when he says something I disagree with is tantamount to attacking Christ himself. IMO, part of being an adult and responsible voter is to NOT STFU and say only nice things about a candidate if it simply isn’t true.

As Rush suggests, I hope the outcome is that conservatives are able to drag McCain across the finish line to save the nation from Obama then immediately set out to save the GOP from McCain. I’ve already posted that I have voted absentee for McCain because he is the better choice. Nevertheless, it isn’t “astroturfing” to point out that I don’t agree with McCain on amnesty because my reasons are doing so are sound and is opined legitimately, not to get Obama elected as some of the most ignorant trolls here keep bleating.

In closing, I’ll throw this thought back at you. You’ve admitted that no matter who wins in November you won’t be the same poster then as you are now. That after November 4th you’ll once again voice criticism. How is being somebody else now than you will be in a few weeks intellectually honest? It seems to me that you are doing precisely what Democrats and the MSM does when they ignore the obvious facts about Obama to focus in on the hype. Would you say Democrats are “astroturfing” and speaking disparagingly if they question Obama’s ties to Ayers or Wright? Or would you want them to voice that criticsm before the election? How is that situation different than when a conservative points out differences with McCain? Do you really think that everybody on both sides should ignore the facts and go around keep up appearances designed solely to avoid having to deal with the hard questions and inconvenient facts?

I tend to think it’s a combination of the two, but the man must have the capacity within him pursuant to the times.

Democracies, I agree- but this is a Republic, not sure the same applies.

I’d say , given the circumstances, that being all in with McCain, regardless of party registration, is a no brainer. He wasn’t my 1st choice-given his opponent, any misgivings I can set aside for later.

irongrampa on October 14, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Two points… there are two competing theories of history… which boil down to “does the great man make the times”, or “do the times make the man”… or, is it a combination of the two…

Now, what there is no historical arguement about is that Democracies always tend Socialistic in any Economic crises… its a question of how far they go due to that crises.

As to the “Foxhole” comment… sorry, but I am not in COMBAT with McCain… he’s a candidate for my vote who is making some very questionable (in my opinion) stances.

As I am not even a registered Republican, he does not automaticly get my support… he needs to earn it.

It was supposed to point out that McCain has supported this bail out… and we need to know his view on this latest development.

If he supports it? Wow… the Gov is taking equity in HEALTHY institutions… how is that NOT a move towards Socialism?

Romeo13 on October 14, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Yeah, I give McCain some leeway on this. I think that Paulson scared the living sh#t out of all of them, and I also believe that they should have been scared. I am not against the government taking such measures in dire emergencies, which I believe this was and still is (though no one has really told us the actual size of the losses, so that we can assess where we actually are), but I am exceedingly sensitive to who is sitting in the government at such times. I was very, very happy to hear McCain pushing the pro-growth ideas for the solution, forgetting the mortgage thing. That put me at ease over some of the actions taken, thus far.

My problem is that we were never given enough information to know if letting things collapse would have actually taken down the dollar (insolvency of the nation). The way Paulson was talking, he was pointing to a total destruction of our monetary system – “500 trades from Armageddon”.

The socialism that conservatives are willing to accept, as emergency acts, is scary enough that McCain ought to realize that this is a time when one cannot put a socialist in office. That would kill everything. And I mean ‘kill’ literally.

irongrampa on October 14, 2008 at 2:41 PM

I agree but if you are conservative, McCain has done more damage to your six than those of us who are less than thrilled with him will ever do.

They re better grilled. Gotta marinate them in buttermilk beforhand to leach out the bitter cooties.

ManlyRash on October 14, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Buttermilk also tenderizes them. Grilled and smothered in a peach chutney. You can also marinate them in Scotch for a more lively dining experience.

irongrampa on October 14, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Amen, IG.

I DO see that it’s become fashionable to decry our candidate on a regular basis, however. For you doom and gloomers I have this to say-if this indicates the depth of your support, then I question whether or not I’d want you either in my foxhole, or on my six. Not hugely concerned with anyone’s reaction, so flame away, if you so desire.

What all the stories and defenders gloss over by their “it was forty years ago and I was eight” routines is the fact that as Obama sat in Ayers living room in 1995 it was a short fourteen years prior that Ayers’s Weathermen friends pulled the infamous Brinks robbery of 1981 in which four, count them, four people were murdered. A simple google search of “Brinks robbery 1981″ will give you all the grim details.

Who may have been in the living room that day and who now works for Chavez in Venezuela? None other than the son of the convicted robbers, who Ayers raised, when the parents got life in prison.

If, as Obama claims, he did not know this info he was the only person in Chicago who did not. Ayers and his wife Dohrn, more vicious than Ayers, were one of Chicago’s famous families.

The other point being from

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/2293196/pinch-yourself.thtml

Stanley Kurtz now nails that canard by showing how, through the Annenberg Challenge, Obama and Ayers channelled funds to extremist anti-American Afrocentric ‘educational’ programmes which were a carbon-copy of the world view of Pastor Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s black racist mentor who, under pressure, Obama was forced to repudiate. These programmes promoted, amongst other radical ideas, the ‘rites of passage’ philosophy which attempted to create a ‘virtually separate and intensely anti-American black social world’ in order to ‘counter the potentially detrimental effects of a Eurocentrically oriented society.’ One such teacher taught that

‘The submission to Western civilization and its most outstanding offspring, American civilization, is, in reality, surrender to white supremacy.’

and this gem….

No such threats, of course, will be made against this new book whose publication is tactfully timed for next year so as not to frighten the horses — Race Course Against White Supremacy, by none other than William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

Moonbats are great served on toast with a pat of butter. Watch out, though. They bite. – HornetSting on October 14, 2008 at 2:34 PM

They re better grilled. Gotta marinate them in buttermilk beforhand to leach out the bitter cooties.

I think it was ManylyRash that said that no matter who is elected, we will have to watch them 100% of the time. – CapedConservative on October 14, 2008 at 1:50 PM

I didn’t say that. But I wish I had…