Kurtz: Wright matters

posted at 10:25 am on October 14, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Stanley Kurtz wades into the records of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge to make the argument that the topic of Jeremiah Wright and Barack Obama’s long alliance with his demagoguic pastor is a valid area of debate in this election.  The CAC funded a number of black-liberation theologists while Obama ran the project, including some of the most extremist thinkers in the movement.  But what Kurtz fails to acknowledge in his exhortation to John McCain to attack Obama on this part of his record is the deck that has already been stacked against him:

It looks like Jeremiah Wright was just the tip of the iceberg. Not only did Barack Obama savor Wright’s sermons, Obama gave legitimacy — and a whole lot of money — to education programs built around the same extremist anti-American ideology preached by Reverend Wright. And guess what? Bill Ayers is still palling around with the same bitterly anti-American Afrocentric ideologues that he and Obama were promoting a decade ago. All this is revealed by a bit of digging, combined with a careful study of documents from the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, the education foundation Obama and Ayers jointly led in the late 1990s.

John McCain, take note. Obama’s tie to Wright is no longer a purely personal question (if it ever was one) about one man’s choice of his pastor. The fact that Obama funded extremist Afrocentrists who shared Wright’s anti-Americanism means that this is now a matter of public policy, and therefore an entirely legitimate issue in this campaign.

In the winter of 1996, the Coalition for Improved Education in [Chicago’s] South Shore (CIESS) announced that it had received a $200,000 grant from the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. That made CIESS an “external partner,” i.e. a community organization linked to a network of schools within the Chicago public system. This network, named the “South Shore African Village Collaborative” was thoroughly “Afrocentric” in orientation. CIESS’s job was to use a combination of teacher-training, curriculum advice, and community involvement to improve academic performance in the schools it worked with. CIESS would continue to receive large Annenberg grants throughout the 1990s.

The South Shore African Village Collaborative (SSAVC) was very much a part of the Afrocentric “rites of passage movement,” a fringe education crusade of the 1990s. SSAVC schools featured “African-Centered” curricula built around “rites of passage” ceremonies inspired by the puberty rites found in many African societies. In and of themselves, these ceremonies were harmless. Yet the philosophy that accompanied them was not. On the contrary, it was a carbon-copy of Jeremiah Wright’s worldview.

Kurtz details the people Obama funded through the CAC and their extremist ideologies and their ideas of racial separation — ideas that Obama publicly endorsed in 1995:

The first thing to note here is that Obama presents his political hopes for the black community as a third way between two inadequate alternatives. First, Obama rejects, “the unrealistic politics of integrationist assimilation — which helps a few upwardly mobile blacks to ‘move up, get rich, and move out. . . . ’ ” This statement might surprise many Obama supporters, who seem to think of him as the epitome of integrationism. Yet Obama’s repudiation of integrationist upward mobility is fully consistent with his career as a community organizer, his general sympathy for leftist critics of the American “system,” and of course his membership at Trinity. Obama, we are told, “quickly learned that integration was a one-way street, with blacks expected to assimilate into a white world that never gave ground.” Compare these statements by Obama with some of the remarks in Jeremiah Wright’s Trumpet, and the resemblance is clear.

Having disposed of assimilation, Obama goes on to criticize “the politics of black rage and black nationalism” — although less on substance than on tactics. Obama upbraids the politics of black power for lacking a practical strategy. Instead of diffusing black rage by diverting it to the traditional American path of assimilation and middle-class achievement, Obama wants to capture the intensity of black anger and use it to power an effective political organization. Obama says, “he’s tired of seeing the moral fervor of black folks whipped up — at the speaker’s rostrum and from the pulpit — and then allowed to dissipate because there’s no agenda, no concrete program for change.” The problem is not fiery rhetoric from the pulpit, but merely the wasted anger it so usefully stirs.

It’s also consonant with Obama’s partnership with William Ayers.  Remember that Ayers was a “community organizer”, too.  He organized the SDS and later the Weather Underground to impose social change on America, explicitly based on race policies.  Ayers wanted (and still wants) to channel rage into action in overthrowing the capitalist system that oppresses people, or at least does in Ayers’ opinion.  What Ayers couldn’t achieve through elections or bombings, he attempted to do through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge …. and managed to fail there as well.

All of this is perfectly legitimate for public debate.  Obama ran the CAC while a state Senator, and his efforts on educational reform are part of his record and germane to his potential policies as President.  Obama sent money to some very radical people as CEO of the CAC.

In that sense, though, one doesn’t need Jeremiah Wright to make the argument.  Instead of mentioning Wright, why not just stick with the CAC and its funding of radicals like Asa Hilliard and Jacob Carruthers?  Why not stick with William Ayers?  It would be better to stick with Obama’s record in public service than to hit him on his (mostly) private church membership.  If Kurtz extracted Wright from his essay today, he would still have a powerful argument painting Obama as a politician sympathetic to radicals, without the extra baggage of debating Obama’s religious preferences.

Wright may help paint a better picture, but it brings a lot of baggage — and most people have already learned of Wright’s rantings and calculated them into their evaluation of Obama.  McCain would do better to focus on those parts of Obama’s public record that voters have not yet learned in order to complete the portrait of a Leftist ideologue walking in moderate clothing.

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This could be huge, I believe now McCain must bring Jeremiah Wright to the table and to the debate, could be the first time Obama is tripped up and stumbling in a debate.

War69DotCom on October 14, 2008 at 10:31 AM

C’mon McCain, fight dammit!

null on October 14, 2008 at 10:37 AM

How frustrating that McCain won’t touch this. This is where his sense of personal honor does a disservice to the country. NOt intentionally of course. But why can’t he look at it like that? He doesn’t like it, but its important for the country.

james23 on October 14, 2008 at 10:41 AM

I the Wright tapes were breaking right about now, instead of 6 months ago

lodge on October 14, 2008 at 10:44 AM

Maybe Bob Schieffer will bring up Rev. Wright as a debate topic.

Maybe I’ll win the power ball this week and use the winnings to buy a three-legged unicorn.

fogw on October 14, 2008 at 10:44 AM

What is at stake in this election is too great to hold back.
McCain must realize that the battle he is in now makes anything he has ever done look like tiddly winks.

He needs to absolutely go Roman on Obama.

Defeat is not an option. If we lose because he wants to look like a gentlemen, Hie pride will have single handedly killed America.

TheSitRep on October 14, 2008 at 10:46 AM

Could someone please present a clear argument with examples of actual curriculum as to why the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was soooo radical?

I keep hearing that it show how radical Obama is, but I have not seen any proof of this in how the program was executed.

Kurtz has a way of throwing a lot of information and insinuation out there without providing any actual firm proof or evidence of the charges he makes.

this whole “afrocentric” thing is a perfect example. He just assumes the reader will think is bad and radical by using the word “fringe” to describe it, but really doesn’t go into why that is.

Ed does this as well:

It’s also consonant with Obama’s partnership with William Ayers. Remember that Ayers was a “community organizer”, too. He organized the SDS and later the Weather Underground to impose social change on America, explicitly based on race policies. Ayers wanted (and still wants) to channel rage into action in overthrowing the capitalist system that oppresses people, or at least does in Ayers’ opinion. What Ayers couldn’t achieve through elections or bombings, he attempted to do through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge …. and managed to fail there as well.

Now, this is just low. This paragraph is clearly meant to paint Obama as a person who wants to “overthrow” the system, which there has been ZERO proof of. It’s the same old guilt by insinuation that you guys have perfected. Lazy arguments that you don’t really need to back up.

Tom_Shipley on October 14, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Obama’s friends and politic associates from Chicago are relevant for another reason. Any new President has at least 3000 political appointments to make. Where do you imagine they’re all coming from? They’ll be the people most loyal to him–the Chicagoans that he’s been comfortable around for the last 25 years. Soon they’ll be involved in your life too.

RBMN on October 14, 2008 at 10:48 AM

McCain should really know better than to think his display of honor is appreciated by his enemy.

Wright is a large piece in who this character Obama is. If you want to know who he is, Wright has got to be exposed and then driven home with absolute righteousness. The fact that McCain lets it stand not only give power to Obama, but is a slap in the face to whites and blacks that work towards real progress in bridging over the blight of racism in this country.

It’s simply incredible that this monster gets a free pass.

Hening on October 14, 2008 at 10:49 AM

FIGHT Playboy!!!

Thune on October 14, 2008 at 10:50 AM

I would think that a very compelling document would be a copy of a lesson plan of a typical class created through this Annenberg Challenge.

If it focuses so much on left-wing radical and racial ideology, I would imagine a lesson plan would be a very damaging piece of information to the Obama campaign.

I’ll bet reading one of these lesson plans and seeing the ages and numbers of kids learning this stuff would wake a whole lot of people the hell up.

C’mon RNC, get your hands on some of this stuff and get it out there!!!

13Girl on October 14, 2008 at 10:51 AM

Oh no, Ed. You mustn’t talk about Wright – what does this have to do with public policy? How will this help Michelle’s children?

And how will this help McCain in the election? Heavens! (Wringing my hands).

Jaibones on October 14, 2008 at 10:51 AM

Tom_Shipley on October 14, 2008 at 10:47 AM

I agree, what was the curriculum? What was actually being taught?

ninjapirate on October 14, 2008 at 10:51 AM

The way to address this is not the direct approach to Wright but through the Chicago Anneberg Challenge itself. McCain could start by using the CAC as an exemplar of the kind of failed policy initiatives that we can expect from an Obama Adminstration. Then you can bring in both Ayers and Wright into the discussion.

McCain can point to the fact that Obama doesn’t view the CAC as a failure but a big success. Both he and his boss Ayers sought to indoctrinate students to a radical point of view while at the same time degrading academic performance. Successful indoctrination requires that academic achievement be reduced. Radicals like Obama and Ayers follow the Lennist approach to education and literacy. “We will teach them enought to read our orders.”

jerryofva on October 14, 2008 at 10:51 AM

Maybe I’ll win the power ball this week and use the winnings to buy a three-legged unicorn.

fogw on October 14, 2008 at 10:44 AM

Maybe monkeys will fly out of my butt.

Jaibones on October 14, 2008 at 10:51 AM

It’s the same old guilt by insinuation that you guys have perfected.

Tom_Shipley on October 14, 2008 at 10:47 AM

You guys?

Does McCain=Bush ring a bell Tom?

fogw on October 14, 2008 at 10:52 AM

On second thought =/

When has our side ever had a lack of ammunition?

Thune on October 14, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Senator Mccain, you let loose the monster called Obama on this world, you will be responsible for the resulting chaos. Your hands will be clean of course, but you will be responsible for the destruction of the greatest nation on earth and the last hope for mankind.

promachus on October 14, 2008 at 10:53 AM

“God Damn America” will alienate all church-goers and patriotic citizens. THIS WILL RESONATE, and probably win the election if McCain uses it.

marklmail on October 14, 2008 at 10:53 AM

It’s the same old guilt by insinuation that you guys have perfected

Shouldn’t he take responsibility for the people he hangs around?

ninjapirate on October 14, 2008 at 10:54 AM

Wright and Ayers matter.
That’s all given.

That the likes of Bill Krystol say they don’t proves they do.

maverick muse on October 14, 2008 at 10:54 AM

John Lewis’s outburst about McCain & Palin was a warning shot. He’s telling them, say nothing about Wright, or you’ll be roasted as rascists. Will McCain be cowed? I know what Sarah would do.

And I don’t think a 527 or a Party commercial gets the job done, because McCain would almost certainly feel pressured to denounce them. No, McCain himself has to man up, here.

james23 on October 14, 2008 at 10:55 AM

“However he may seek to deny it, all evidence points to the fact that, from his position as board chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Barack Obama knowingly and persistently funded an educational project that shared the extremist and anti-American philosophy of Jeremiah Wright. The Wright affair was no fluke. It’s time for McCain to say so.” Kurtz

I think the only one that will say this is Stanley himself. He is our lone soldier against a formidable opponent.

Kevin in Washington State on October 14, 2008 at 10:56 AM

ninjapirate on October 14, 2008 at 10:54 AM

Absolutely. If Bush=McCain then Obama=Wright.

fogw on October 14, 2008 at 10:56 AM

“That’s just how white folks will do you,” Obama writes. “It wasn’t merely the cruelty involved; I was learning that black people could be mean and then some. It was a particular brand of arrogance, an obtuseness in otherwise sane people that brought forth our bitter laughter. It was as if whites didn’t know they were being cruel in the first place. Or at least thought you deserving of their scorn.”

Mighty wide brush, Mr. Obama, mighty wide brush. But I guess he really means “Republicans” or something, so he can artfully exclude a huge hunk of his Democratic fellow travelers.

unclesmrgol on October 14, 2008 at 10:57 AM

Absolutely. If Bush=McCain then Obama=Wright.

Then McCain=nutjobs showing up at rallies shouting terrorist/traitor/off with his head.

cornfedbubba on October 14, 2008 at 10:58 AM

Absolutely. If Bush=McCain then Obama=Wright.

We need people to push that…

ninjapirate on October 14, 2008 at 10:58 AM

Pish posh, Wright, whatever.

Let’s concentrate on the real issues such as Bristol Palin’s baby.

Bishop on October 14, 2008 at 10:59 AM

Now that I see some additional posts from the usual propagandists I will add an addendum to my first effort.

Mr. Shipley:

The Annenberg Foundation terminated the CAC because educational achievement as measured by actually knowledge declined. The Foundation wrote off the $168 million as waste of money. The reason is clear. The records show that the Obama-led project systematically denied grant money to math, science and reading programs and steered the money to “Afro-centric” and other politically motivated projects.
The intent was to turn the Chicago Public School system into a totalitarian Madrassa. They largely succeeded. An informed and educated citizenry is the backbone of the Madisonian Republic. An ignorant and indoctrinated citizenry is the foundation of a Lennist-based Fascist state.

jerryofva on October 14, 2008 at 10:59 AM

Then McCain=nutjobs showing up at rallies shouting terrorist/traitor/off with his head.

Has McCain known them for 20 years?

ninjapirate on October 14, 2008 at 10:59 AM

Ignore Shipley. This is schtick–ignore any facts (and Kurtz has laid them out for all to see) that are brought to bear on the issue and deflect. In the trolls estimation, any educational reform up to and including the support of pedophilia is probably not radical.

PimFortuynsGhost on October 14, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Well thank God it wasn’t a white seperatist group because, you know, THAT would be racist.

Elizabetty on October 14, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Then McCain=nutjobs showing up at rallies shouting terrorist/traitor/off with his head.
cornfedbubba on October 14, 2008 at 10:58 AM

And of course then Odummy = Ayers saying he wished he had done more in his bombing days.

Mac doesn’t know any of the ding-dongs at his rallies personally, the same can’t be said for Ostupid.

Bishop on October 14, 2008 at 11:01 AM

Instead of mentioning Wright, why not just stick with the CAC and its funding of radicals like Asa Hilliard and Jacob Carruthers?

Because Wright is on tape saying “G-D America” the Sunday after 9/11/01 and goes on to claim it was all America’s Fault. i.e. Ron Paul’s “Blowback” idiocy.

Obama went to this church that teaches this for 20 years! He had Wright working on his campaign as Spiritual Advisor and named his book from one of his sermons!!! They put out pamphlets in support of Hamas and are allied with Nation of Islam for crying out loud, Obama is schooled in Anti-America “Anti-Colonialism”…..and he just went to Keyna and campaigned for a Marxist allied with Islamist.

That is why this is relevant, Wright and Ayers are very very relevant

jp on October 14, 2008 at 11:01 AM

Evangelicals are a large constituency in the conservative movement. They matter. Wright matters.

The point: EVERYONE has the right to discuss Afrocentrism in America. To deny discussion is anti-American. To tag any discussion as racist is RACIST.

Wright matters. Ayers matters. They are just two sides of the same Marxist coin that Obama claims are “rehabilitated” as they bear Obama’s image/mask.

maverick muse on October 14, 2008 at 11:02 AM

Could someone please present a clear argument with examples of actual curriculum as to why the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was soooo radical?

Tom_Shipley on October 14, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Tom did you actually read the article?

The below paragraphs explains the curriculum and the ideals behind the curriculum. I think Kurtz did a fine job on this article with examples of actual curriculum as to why the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was soooo radical.

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“We know that SSAVC was part of this movement, not only because their Annenberg proposals were filled with Afrocentric themes and references to “rites of passage,” but also because SSAVC’s faculty set up its African-centered curriculum in consultation with some of the most prominent leaders of the “rites of passage movement.” For example, a CIESS teacher conference sponsored a presentation on African-centered curricula by Jacob Carruthers, a particularly controversial Afrocentrist.

Jacob Carruthers
Like other leaders of the rites of passage movement, Carruthers teaches that the true birthplace of world civilization was ancient “Kemet” (Egypt), from which Kemetic philosophy supposedly spread to Africa as a whole. Carruthers and his colleagues believe that the values of Kemetic civilization are far superior to the isolating and oppressive, ancient Greek-based values of European and American civilization. Although academic Egyptologists and anthropologists strongly reject these historical claims, Carruthers dismisses critics as part of a white supremacist conspiracy to hide the truth of African superiority.

Carruthers’s key writings are collected in his book, Intellectual Warfare. Reading it is a wild, anti-American ride. In his book, we learn that Carruthers and his like-minded colleagues have formed an organization called the Association for the Study of Classical African Civilizations (ASCAC), which takes as its mission the need to “dismantle the European intellectual campaign to commit historicide against African peoples.” Carruthers includes “African-Americans” within a group he would define as simply “African.” When forced to describe a black person as “American,” Carruthers uses quotation marks, thus indicating that no black person can be American in any authentic sense. According to Carruthers, “The submission to Western civilization and its most outstanding offspring, American civilization, is, in reality, surrender to white supremacy.”

cmptrnerd on October 14, 2008 at 11:02 AM

Cornfed:

The “nutjobs” showing up at McCain rallies are probably astroturfers sent up by the Obama campaign to provide fodder for attacks aimed at silencing McCain. They probably worked because I haven’t heard anyone from the McCain campaign pointing this out.

jerryofva on October 14, 2008 at 11:03 AM

There is no need to gag discussion of Wright in order to tear into Ayers. Obama needed a black and a white political godfather, and he has both. Neither Wright nor Ayers has repudiated Obama. They’ll ride into Washington and official federal power/appointments on Obama’s coat-tails, and nothing’s going to severe any of those ties.

maverick muse on October 14, 2008 at 11:05 AM

RICH WHITE PEOPLE!!!

benrand on October 14, 2008 at 11:06 AM

Then McCain=nutjobs showing up at rallies shouting terrorist/traitor/off with his head.
cornfedbubba on October 14, 2008 at 10:58 AM

Your analogy would be true only if those shouting nutjobs had a 20+ year relationship with John McCain.

Other than that, great point.

Slublog on October 14, 2008 at 11:06 AM

I believe McCain seems to think that conservative sites and talk radio are going to help in getting this news across without his fingerprints on it.
Man up McCain, you are the leader of the party and you must show guts. Obama is an idiot and a flustered ass when confronted.
McCain needs to show the same gravitas he displayed when he fought Romney (unfairly so, but he did).
Your country is the most important thing as you’ve said McCain, than your appearance with the media.
Screw the media and hit Obambi where it hurts.

jencab on October 14, 2008 at 11:06 AM

Here’s the deal. This won’t change the mind of Obama supporters. This won’t change the mind of McCain supporters. Will this swing any undecideds? Maybe … but it’s too complicated to explain to most people who are undecided because by their nature most haven’t been paying much attention up until this point and you would have to have a 30 minute documentary to explain this.

This morning I caught just a brief interview with that financial guy, I think he represents Stuart Barney?, and he very suscintly described Obama’s economic redistribution plan. Pretty much, tax those over $250K and create tax credits that will give a check each January to those who do not pay any taxes at all, about %40 percent on the population. THAT is what needs to be explained… in CLEAR STRAIGHT TALK.

Texas Gal on October 14, 2008 at 11:07 AM

Tom_Shipley on October 14, 2008 at 10:47 AM

I agree, what was the curriculum? What was actually being taught?

ninjapirate on October 14, 2008 at 10:51 AM

Apparently, not much:

The CAC also funded a third arm, the Consortium of Chicago School Research (CCSR), in parallel with the two operational arms, the Board and the Collaborative. This arm was to conduct research on the impact of the CAC’s funding.

In 2003 the final technical report of the CCSR on the CAC was published. The results were not pretty. The “bottom line” according to the report was that the CAC did not achieve its goal of improvement in student academic achievement and nonacademic outcomes. While student test scores improved in the so-called Annenberg Schools that received some of the $150 million disbursed in the six years from 1995 to 2001,

“This was similar to improvement across the system….There were no statistically significant differences in student achievement between Annenberg schools and demographically similar non-Annenberg schools. This indicates that there was no Annenberg effect on achievement.”

The report identified the political conflict between the Local School Council promotion efforts of the CAC – such as the $2 million Leadership Development Initiative – as a possible factor hindering a positive impact on student achievement.

In other words, in Annenberg’s own self-measurement, their politics meant that the money went nowhere — for nothing

unclesmrgol on October 14, 2008 at 11:07 AM

talk about the ulitmate buyers remorse if we just let Obama get by without touching this all because squishy Reps. are afraid to explain it.

jp on October 14, 2008 at 11:08 AM

Then McCain=nutjobs showing up at rallies shouting terrorist/traitor/off with his head.

cornfedbubba on October 14, 2008 at 10:58 AM

Then Obama=perverts showing up at rallies wearing T-shirts saying “Palin is a C***”.

fogw on October 14, 2008 at 11:13 AM

Tom, the CAC turned down grant requests for math and science. Instead Obama funded extremist Afrocentrists who shared Wright’s anti-Americanism. They hate America, can you not see this? They pissed away $150 million and have NOTHING to show for it.

The CAC was a failure. It was Obama’s ONLY executive experience, and he received an “F” for failure. He is not fit to lead.

Put aside everything and look at the records. Where there are no records, which Obama has very little, look at the character and judgment of the candidate. Who does he kick back with in his backyard and eat hotdogs with? It’s all rhetoric. There is nothing there.

Kevin in Washington State on October 14, 2008 at 11:15 AM

Then Obama=perverts showing up at rallies wearing T-shirts saying “Palin is a C***”.

fogw on October 14, 2008 at 11:13 AM

Or Obama autographing the “scary Palin” in ghost thing(i.e. white sheet) by deranged obama supporter

jp on October 14, 2008 at 11:16 AM

Then McCain=nutjobs showing up at rallies shouting terrorist/traitor/off with his head.

cornfedbubba on October 14, 2008 at 10:58 AM

That the stupidest example of moral equivalence I’ve seen since the most recent time I’ve heard a clip of Obama speaking.

BuckeyeSam on October 14, 2008 at 11:19 AM

McCain gaining in Gallup new poll(not tracking), and no uplifting headlines as soon as it comes out like with the push polls WaPo and Newsweek and others do

jp on October 14, 2008 at 11:22 AM

What should be shown with Obama’s association with Ayers and Wright and others is Obama’s political beliefs and philosophy.
Obama is a far-left liberal who believes in a socialist Marxist world as pushed by the likes of Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright.
McCain can’t seem to grasp that nor communicate it to the public.

albill on October 14, 2008 at 11:22 AM

Wright and Ayers and those who think as they do, the hate America, Marxist, revolutionary types from the sixties never changed their radical views, they merely changed their tactics.

Ayers is a coward who quit using bombs when 3 of his comrades blew themselves up. What he and others like him did was to move into politics, education and entertainment. The influence they have there is far more effective than the bombs they set off.

With an Obama presidency, they will have unprecedented ability to institute policies that will last generations.

Jvette on October 14, 2008 at 11:35 AM

Wright was always just the ‘Tip of the Iceberg’. Personally, I don’t see how Black Liberation Theology qualifies as a tax-exempt religion, since its primary functions are race based political activities. The Democratic Party is filled with Black Liberation Theologists, e.g. Reverend Leah D. Daughtry – “Chief Executive Officer of the 2008 Democratic National Convention Committee and the DNC’s Chief of Staff.” (Run a search on her dad – Herbert Daughtry.) Such white radical and racist groups have been thrown in prison and/or chased into bankruptcy.

Karmi on October 14, 2008 at 11:35 AM

You’re damn right, Wright matters! To me and millions of moderate and conservative Americans.

Obama has no relevant track record. Wright, like Ayers, is a window to Obama’s philosophy and political beliefs. It also raises questions of judgment.

When McCain declines to address the Wright issues, he puts his country at risk.

petefrt on October 14, 2008 at 11:37 AM

Then McCain=nutjobs showing up at rallies shouting terrorist/traitor/off with his head.

cornfedbubba on October 14, 2008 at 10:58 AM

I believe it more likely that was an Obama supporter or a code pinko and I expect to see more of this type of tacit at McCain and Palin public appearances.

Texas Gal on October 14, 2008 at 11:38 AM

LIBERATION THEOLOGY,,,,,NEVER CARRYS THE CROSS IT CARRYS THE HAMMER AND SICKLE

rico101 on October 14, 2008 at 11:42 AM

What McCain needs to do is a “litany of the Saints” of Obama. Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, a pastor who says G D America (Mac wouldn’t even have to use Wright’s name), Rashid Khalidi, Khalid al-Mansour, and Frank Davis bring one thread of anti-Americanism. Rezko and Giannoulias play to the second thread of vicious Chicago-style corruption. ACORN is the thread that ties them together.
Paint the damn picture of a man who is either hopelessly naive (which you know ain’t so) or utterly bereft of the sort of judgment expected from a president.

either orr on October 14, 2008 at 11:46 AM

Off topic, but people are posting about it, so READ THIS.

Kevin in Washington State on October 14, 2008 at 11:47 AM

apparently McCain assured on radio this morning he was going after Obama on Ayers in debate

jp on October 14, 2008 at 11:48 AM

Wright may help paint a better picture, but it brings a lot of baggage — and most people have already learned of Wright’s rantings and calculated them into their evaluation of Obama.

I’ve heard this asserted a lot recently, but how do we know this is true? Wright was an “issue” in March and was put to bed in April when Obama finally disavowed him. Plenty of folks were tuned out during the primaries, particularly if they were not registered to vote in the democrat primary, and may not have really registered the significance and extent of Obama’s relationship with Wright.

Y-not on October 14, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Then McCain=nutjobs showing up at rallies shouting terrorist/traitor/off with his head.

cornfedbubba on October 14, 2008 at 10:58 AM
I believe it more likely that was an Obama supporter or a code pinko and I expect to see more of this type of tacit at McCain and Palin public appearances.

Texas Gal on October 14, 2008 at 11:38 AM

Yeah, and cornfedbubba ain’t no corn fed bubba. He/she is some arugula eating, latte-drinking, Obamabot, who lives in some nice suburb and has nothing better to do all day than morally equivocate about McCain’s associations. Douche!

JAM on October 14, 2008 at 11:53 AM

To those who state that Wright is old news and thus talking about him is a waste of time.

1) Wright first broke on the seen while only hard core Democrats and Republicans were paying any attention to the race.

2) You discount the short attention span of most voters. Anything that happened three or four months ago has long since rolled off of the attention meter.

McCain needs to put out some recap commercials to remind people of what has gone on before.

MarkTheGreat on October 14, 2008 at 12:10 PM

Wright is the entree into the CAC debate.

MarkTheGreat on October 14, 2008 at 12:12 PM

Maybe monkeys will fly out of my butt.

Jaibones on October 14, 2008 at 10:51 AM

Reminds me of a seen from “Bruce Almighty”.

MarkTheGreat on October 14, 2008 at 12:15 PM

Then McCain=nutjobs showing up at rallies shouting terrorist/traitor/off with his head.

cornfedbubba on October 14, 2008 at 10:58 AM

McCain has no control over who shows up at his rallies.

Obama can and did have control over which church he chose to attend.
Obama can and did have control over who he chose to associate with.

MarkTheGreat on October 14, 2008 at 12:18 PM

If I were to go to an Obama rally and start screaming, death to all whites, would that make Obama responsible for me?

MarkTheGreat on October 14, 2008 at 12:18 PM

Tom, the CAC turned down grant requests for math and science.

See, this is classic Kurtz. He says in that story that they turned down requests for groups that focus on math and science to serve as external partners. But i scanned the list a few months ago of the list of external partners (there were about 50 of them) and saw at least one that, through it’s name, showed it was a group that taught math and/or science.

I would have to look more into this, but it seemed to me that Kurtz was being intentionally misleading. He stated groups that taught math and science were turned down by the CAC, but it also looks to me that there were some that were accepted. So, while it is true that SOME were turned down, the inference was that ALL were. And I don’t think that was the case.

Tom_Shipley on October 14, 2008 at 12:26 PM

Do we need to apply some reverse psychology here? If we beg McCain NOT to bring this up or NOT to connect Obama and Ayers and then Wright; then maybe he WILL bring it up? If we tell him NOT to fight, then maybe he WILL fight. I have no clue at this point, but I pray to the Dear Lord he creams THE ONE tomorrow night. I am getting sick just thinking about it.

And just an aside MarkTheGreat, when Tammy Bruce said yesterday that she used to place plants in the GOP rally audiences or knew the Dems did that, then I knew for sure my gut feeling was right on the shouters at the McCain rallies WERE FOR SURE plants. No doubt about it. Something else to add to your list of what Obama did have control over.

freeus on October 14, 2008 at 1:13 PM

“U.S. of KKKA”
“White folks’ greed runs a world in need”
Naaaah, Obama doesn’t share ideology with Rev Wright.

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Can you imagine if McCain said “Black folks’ need stifles the global economy”? They’d go nuts.

marklmail on October 14, 2008 at 1:33 PM

This year I picked Fred and then McCain. It seems as if they have something in common. They want(ed) to be president, they want(ed) hundreds of millions in contributions but they are (were) not willing to fight for it.

Your opponents have won the debate if you allow them to define the terms used in that debate.

Laurence on October 14, 2008 at 2:06 PM

Tom Shipley makes a critically important point. Not only Kurtz could be describing African Studies Departments at colleges anywhere in the country, but Conservatives have applied terms like “radical” so indiscriminately to those on the left that no one pays much attention to such characterizations any more.

If the object is to move voters, we need three things from Kurtz, IMO.

What does a day in the life of a South Shore African Village Collaborative student look like? Until parents sit up and say “Whoa, that’s not what I want my kids learning in school!” the Ayers/Obama ideological approach to education simply won’t resonate deeply with the electorate.

We are not talking about Afrocentric add-ons to traditional education, like Black History month. Nor is it limited to revised textbooks which include more emphasis on the achievements of African American individuals and their role as a force in American history. We are talking about the wholesale subsitution of a political curriculum in place of education as we know it. As newly elected Vice President for curriculum at AERA, the largest association of professional educators in the country, Ayers is now in a position to pursue that agenda.

We are also not talking about elective studies at the college level, we are talking about political indoctrination which starts in elementary school and continues till High Scholl graduation. We need to be told in no uncertain terms precisely what and how Ayers’ teachers are being trained to teach.

Kurtz assumes that his readers will understand “Afrocentricism” as an ideological reference. It is just as likely to be interpreted as racist code and it will certainly be condemned as such by at least half the politicians in the country and most of the press. Without concrete, dramatic examples of what Ayers’ programs look like on the ground, Kurtz’ investigative reporting will simply never get any serious public traction. We may get it, but we’re not the ones who need to be persuaded that this is truly toxic stuff. Kurtz’ scholarly approach is a solid, necessary first step, but we need a lot more ammunition to make the public case, and alas, we may simply have too few investigators of is caliber to provide it.

JM Hanes on October 14, 2008 at 3:14 PM

Leave Wright out of it? You have to be kidding. This now documents the fact that Obama was a bald face liar when he denied ever having heard Wright preach this blace liberation crap. He should throw this lie squarely in Obams face in tonight debate.

devere252 on October 14, 2008 at 3:21 PM

McCain is too stupid to use this stuff to his advantage. Obama is a black panther in Bryant Gumbel clothes. He will be a disaster for America as he drains the treasurt to fund the dead beat inner city trough sloppers.

saiga on October 14, 2008 at 3:27 PM

That the stupidest example of moral equivalence I’ve seen since the most recent time I’ve heard a clip of Obama speaking.

BuckeyeSam on October 14, 2008

Now you know why he’s an Obama supporter. One can’t be that smart in the first place for supporting him, but it takes an especially stupid person to make arguments like this to try and justify Obama and his radical associations.

And Wright is an issue. The Wright info broke several months ago during the primaries when many weren’t paying attention, so it is very likely that folks didn’t give it much thought, or have forgotten about it. It’s time for a reminder. His associations with radical socialists/marxists is extremely relevant to the economic crisis because it shows that Obama is likely of the same mindset. Do we really want an anti-capitalist socialist in charge of “fixing” the economy? No, we don’t.

McCain, stop letting the media and Obama supporters run your campaign. Say what needs to be said. What are they going to do, call you a racist? Oh, the horror. Newsflash: they already are calling you a racist. Here’s another newsflash: folks are tired of everything being called racist. Use it to your advantage.

xblade on October 14, 2008 at 3:35 PM

Wright is a basically a non-issue. Independents (the undecided) could care less about a religious zealot, they have heard it, absorbed it, and sloughed it off. Sure Wright was an idiot, and anti-American, but the voters who have not made up their mind, don’t care about him one way or the other.
They look at it as a desperate attack, it is “old news”.
Fleshing out Ayers is not a bad tactic, but overdoing it is a waste of valuable time, and time is ticking away.
Hit them on the economy, and holding people accountable. Drive home the fact that Obama has not once committed an investigation into the economic chaos. He has not once committed to holding the committee chair at a higher standard. He has not once said that he wants to find out why the committee chairs turned their back on FM’s, and why they padded their pockets with their lobbying money.

right2bright on October 14, 2008 at 3:40 PM

cmptrnerd on October 14, 2008 at 11:02 AM

You are wasting your time this Tom Shipley guy has been led to the facts many times, but he refuses to read or comprehend what he reads.
Believe me, you are wasting your time, he won’t change his mind and he doesn’t care about facts.

right2bright on October 14, 2008 at 3:44 PM

Independents (the undecided) could care less about a religious zealot

It’s not about religion, it’s about racism and anti-Americanism, and it’s about whom Obama chose to include in his inner circle for the majority of his adult life.

Wright played out in March and April when many people were not listening, particularly independents who did not vote in the democrat primary.

Y-not on October 14, 2008 at 4:03 PM

Mr. Shipley:

As usual you try to evade the issue. Kurtz didn’t make it up and you know it. Simple question: Did the CAC, operating under Obama’s stewardship, make a positive contribution to the education of Chicago’s Children yes or no?

Failure to answer means that you the answer is no.

jerryofva on October 14, 2008 at 7:22 PM

Messed up again…

Failure to answer means that you know the answer is negative.

jerryofva on October 14, 2008 at 7:23 PM

The intent was to turn the Chicago Public School system into a totalitarian Madrassa. They largely succeeded. An informed and educated citizenry is the backbone of the Madisonian Republic. An ignorant and indoctrinated citizenry is the foundation of a Lennist-based Fascist state.

jerryofva on October 14, 2008 at 10:59 AM

That’s the essence of a key policy issue raised by CAC-Ayers-Obama. Do we want a President who supports turning public schools into Madrassas of the radical left?

petefrt on October 15, 2008 at 7:10 AM