Video: CNN hits ACORN — again — for bogus voter registrations

posted at 9:15 pm on October 13, 2008 by Allahpundit

Via Ace, the detail about the 2,100 phony registrations in Indiana is recycled from the segment Ed posted on Friday but the close-up of the registration forms and the extended interview with ACORN’s lawyer are new, proving that not only is CNN sticking with this story but they’re actually building it out. And not just this one. Remember, Drew Griffin’s also responsible for that clear-eyed, bolt-from-the-blue look at Obama’s relationship with Ayers. What on earth’s going on over there? Are they worried that MSNBC will be the Obama administration’s mouthpiece of choice so they’re slapping him around a bit as a warning not to make enemies of them?

Serious exit question: How, precisely, do people think ACORN’s going to influence the election? The worry, as I’ve understood it, is that the race will narrow and we’ll end up a la 2000 in a cliffhanger with one or two counties in some swing state deciding who wins. In that scenario, a few thousand phony votes would be monumental. Judging from some of the e-mail we’re getting, though, true believers think something bigger’s going on, as though an Obama win by a few percentage points — which would mean a margin of a few million votes — would be inherently shady. Explain to me how ACORN’s supposedly planning to convert these bogus registrations into actual bogus votes on a mass scale.


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Explain to me how ACORN’s supposedly planning to convert these bogus registrations into actual bogus votes on a mass scale.

Democrat supervisor of elections.

lorien1973 on October 13, 2008 at 9:17 PM

CNN is doing these stories so next week they can tie John McCain to ACORN.

Watch and see.

Elizabetty on October 13, 2008 at 9:17 PM

I followed my own suggestion

The big Ohio-Obama-ACORN flag

William Amos on October 13, 2008 at 9:18 PM

What on earth’s going on over there?

It’s a massive CYA move designed to head off any post-election criticism that they delivered the Presidency to Obama.

They’ll be able to say, “See? We covered the ACORN story, but the voters didn’t care!”

Purple Fury on October 13, 2008 at 9:19 PM

Elizabetty on October 13, 2008 at 9:17 PM

That would be the ultimate nuance.

lorien1973 on October 13, 2008 at 9:19 PM

Good one William.

In any case, voter fraud is illegal, one vote or a million. It is still illegal.

Zorro on October 13, 2008 at 9:20 PM

Explain to me how ACORN’s supposedly planning to convert these bogus registrations into actual bogus votes on a mass scale.

Once you are on the voter rolls, what is to stop you from voting twice? Or I would think more likely, mailing in ballots for fictitious voters?

2100 of 2100 is a superb effort, incidentally.

Spirit of 1776 on October 13, 2008 at 9:21 PM

It would be hard to get those fraudulent registrations through since we have strict voter ID laws in Indiana. If you show up to a polling station without an ID, you can cast a provisional ballot and then you have a week or so to return and present your ID for the ballot to be officially counted.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 13, 2008 at 9:22 PM

But in most places you can now vote by mail – which increases the chance of actual fraudulent votes being counted on election day.

darkegop on October 13, 2008 at 9:23 PM

In many jurisdictions, jurors are selected from the roster of registered voters. Here in Oregon there has been a shortage of jurors to hear trials. Recently a judge in Eugene invoked a little-used and really old law to send the Sheriff out to just pull people in off the streets to be jurors. (no sarc)

Surely ACORN has nothing nefarious in mind. They’re only doing their part to defend the Constitutional right to a speedy trial by adding potential jurors to the pool. Any accusation otherwise is just a vicious right-wing distraction. (mucho sarco)

innominatus on October 13, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Here’s an explanation of the 105% Indianapolis voter roles. This article was written by our local “conservative” morning radio talk show host (whom I secretly think is half way in the tank).

The Facts Were These

I still think that sets up a huge potential for voter fraud. I guess if there is more than 561,235 votes cast, we’ll know something is fishy.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 13, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Explain to me how ACORN’s supposedly planning to convert these bogus registrations into actual bogus votes on a mass scale.

It’s not hard. Just vote multiple times.

I was standing in line in Madison, WI to vote in 2000. A lady who used to live at a property I managed was standing in front of me. The poll worker she handed a piece of mail to also was an employee at that same property and knew that this person no longer lived there.

Two witnesses, one of them a poll worker, knew this lady was lying when she claimed to live at the address she registered under. The poll worker got a supervisor because he was thinking she shouldn’t be allowed to vote. He was overruled.

Voter fraud happens–especially in urban communities where poll stations are very busy. It is my belief that if this kind of obvious fraud can go on unchallenged, the amount of fraud that goes on is probably much larger than anyone wants to admit.

BryanS on October 13, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Why this election matters

Anti-Photo ID Legislation Would Promote Election Fraud, Says Group

Washington, D.C. – Legislation introduced by Representative Keith Ellison (D-MN) to prohibit photo ID requirements for voting in federal elections would promote election fraud, say members of the black leadership network Project 21.

“Representative Ellison’s proposal is fundamentally flawed and potentially harmful to the integrity of our democratic process,” said Project 21 chairman Mychal Massie. “Why invite that which can only lead to unimaginable fraud and corruption?”

Imposing existing Minnesota election law on a national scale, the “Voter Access Protection Act of 2007″ (H.R. 4026) would ban the use of photo ID for voter verification in federal elections. Rep. Ellison calls photo ID requirements “burdensome” and liken them to a “modern-day poll tax.” He further charges that the Bush Administrations enforcement of voting rights issues effectively promotes “voter suppression of minorities, seniors and young people.”

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Also

Allowing non-citizens to cast ballots being considered by more cities

By EUNICE MOSCOSO
Cox News Service
Published on: 11/07/07

Should non-citizens be allowed to vote? Officials in Takoma Park, Md., think so. The city, a liberal enclave near the nation’s capital, is one of a few local jurisdictions that encourage non-citizens to vote. Since Takoma Park does not ask for proof of legal residence, it is possible that illegal immigrants were casting ballots this week

Illegals allowed to vote ?

There have been some isolated studies on non-citizens voting, including:

• In Utah, a state audit in 2005 showed that more than 58,000 people who appeared to be illegal immigrants had driver’s licenses and 383 used their license to register to vote. Of those, 14 voted in an election.

• A 1997 investigation into a disputed House seat in California found that 743 non-citizens cast votes. The total was not enough to overturn the election which was narrowly won by Rep. Loretta Sanchez, a Democrat.

William Amos on October 13, 2008 at 9:25 PM

I agree with John Kasich on tonight’s O’Reilly that on November 5th we will not be any closer to knowing who won than we are today.

Marcus on October 13, 2008 at 9:25 PM

darkegop on October 13, 2008 at 9:23 PM

Here in blue Oregon, you can register by mail without showing ID, and vote by mail without showing ID. ACORN doesn’t even have to bother with Oregon.

innominatus on October 13, 2008 at 9:27 PM

also … several thousand ohioans did same-day voting. sos jennifer brunner is doing her best to throw these in the bin before they can be checked for fraud. just sayin’

darkegop on October 13, 2008 at 9:27 PM

I am getting a little tired of hearing the “woe is me” story from conservatives regarding the “imminent” election of the Messiah. We have the greatest tool at our hands; the internet, and so have a method in which to fight back against a media that is hell bent upon seeing The One get elected. I say, who needs the media. We have the Internet (thank you Algore). We have the Clintons. We can do this. Send this stuff out to friends and family. Let them see what is going on. The MSM can barely stay in business. People may not watch Olberman and Thrilly Mathews, but they do read their email. Let’s not let our beautiful country get hijacked. GET TO WORK, AMERICANS. We have a job to do!!! Get the word out!

bloggless on October 13, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Had to hunt all over for this…it was in the Sunday edition of our tri-weekly county paper…political cartoon, but it says it all…

uncivilized on October 13, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Serious exit question: How, precisely, do people think ACORN’s going to influence the election?

Well consider how many fraudulent registrations have been found with less than a month left to the election…

..now consider how long ACORN has been busy registering voters.

(and it’s not going to be a difference of millions of votes in the individuals states–maybe nationally, but not on a state-by-state count)

greenonions on October 13, 2008 at 9:28 PM

Every voter should have to prove in two ways that they are legitimate (legally eligible, old enough, residence, picture ID, etc.)

Entelechy on October 13, 2008 at 9:28 PM

Explain to me how ACORN’s supposedly planning to convert these bogus registrations into actual bogus votes on a mass scale.

This will be achieved using shenanigans…

ninjapirate on October 13, 2008 at 9:28 PM

wow — i have to take back 1/10 of the bad things i’ve said about cnn now …
:-)

Buckaroo on October 13, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Explain to me how ACORN’s supposedly planning to convert these bogus registrations into actual bogus votes on a mass scale.

It doesn’t matter. ACORN is an assault on the democratic voting process. We either have a fair and legitimate voting process or we don’t. It’s similar to not being able to be a little bit pregnant.

MB4 on October 13, 2008 at 9:29 PM

I expect ACORN will have fake voters rush the polls at the last minute, and demand that they vote. The polls will be so overwhelmed they won’t be able to check them all. I think I saw a report that Fast Eddy Rendell will keep the polls opne as long as there are lines in PA (which doesn’t have an ID law, anyway, since Eddy says there’s no “evidence” vote fraud).

Wethal on October 13, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Explain to me how ACORN’s supposedly planning to convert these bogus registrations into actual bogus votes on a mass scale.

Probably by voting through absentee ballots.

Here’s the application for an absentee ballot in Indiana.

Application for Absentee Ballot Indiana

I don’t know how you would verify a voter’s identity with this form or if additional documentation would be required.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 13, 2008 at 9:30 PM

If you show up to a polling station without an ID, you can cast a provisional ballot and then you have a week or so to return and present your ID for the ballot to be officially counted.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 13, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Right. And can you imagine if it were a close election where the provisional ballots were refused after Obama won on the raw unaudited count? Or, for the true conspiracy theorists, a biased election official didn’t perform their duty and simply approved provisional ballots without verification?

Alot of room for highjinks in a close race.

BacaDog on October 13, 2008 at 9:31 PM

That’s not the CNN I knew….

Hog Wild on October 13, 2008 at 9:31 PM

I can not help but notice this so called investigation type journalism comes after Obama leads by 10 percent lead and you have this financial crisis.
Most of the lib media gave Sarah a pass on the troopergate and that is because they are going in post election mode right now. So if Mccain wins it will seem illegit.

Don’t be fooled, CNN is still mostly commies.
And another thing Campbell Brown is a freakin lib and stop taking up for this biatch. That is no bias no bull

kangjie on October 13, 2008 at 9:31 PM

“Marcus on October 13, 2008 at 9:25 PM”

that would simply mean that John will have won and the fraud would be further exposed during any recounts …
:-)

Buckaroo on October 13, 2008 at 9:31 PM

I notice they are trying to call this “Voter Registration Fraud” instead of voter fraud….

I wonder what precedes actual voter fraud?

CC

CapedConservative on October 13, 2008 at 9:34 PM

If voter offices are inundated with 100s of 1000s of obviously fake registrations, how are they going to catch the real ones?

p0s3r on October 13, 2008 at 9:34 PM

Just heard on Fox:

Acorn is the militant arm of the sub prime movement.

Guardian on October 13, 2008 at 9:35 PM

I wonder what precedes actual voter fraud?

CC

CapedConservative on October 13, 2008 at 9:34 PM

More cigarettes?

MB4 on October 13, 2008 at 9:36 PM

Mac needs to get Odoofus to publicly disown or admonish ACORN, then hit him with the $800,000 payment he made to them.

If Ostupid isn’t willing to say anything bad about ACORN, Mac can still smack him with the same evidence.

It’s a win win.

Bishop on October 13, 2008 at 9:36 PM

Guardian on October 13, 2008 at 9:35 PM

Mark Styne is pretty witty, ain’t he!

BryanS on October 13, 2008 at 9:36 PM

More cigarettes?

MB4 on October 13, 2008 at 9:36 PM

Yep. That’s how the libs bought votes form the homeless the past couple election cycles in Milwaukee, WI.

BryanS on October 13, 2008 at 9:37 PM

Hmmm, I wonder if CNN is doing this as a warning to Barry to not let ACORN go so wild that theyend up having serious recounts.

“If you’re going to steal an election, don’t try to steal a landslide, Barry”?

Wethal on October 13, 2008 at 9:37 PM

Explain to me how ACORN’s supposedly planning to convert these bogus registrations into actual bogus votes on a mass scale.

For every 2,100 they find, how many get through?
Flooding the place with easy to spot crap to provide cover for the slick ones?

How many Republican leaning, Federally funded(boy, that’s a laugh) organizations are being investigated for this kind of full scale bullshit???

They’re doing it for some reason…this isn’t some kind of isolated thing….

BigWyo on October 13, 2008 at 9:38 PM

Bishop, Michelle had a story up today about McCain appearing at an amnesty for aliens rally that ACORN helped organize in FL in 2007. There were other groups involved too (La Raza), but ACORN was involved, and apparently he knew it. ACORN has already been raising this.

Wethal on October 13, 2008 at 9:41 PM

Someone needs to photoshop an acorn cap on Obama’s noggin… like a goofy Black Panther beret.

And title it:

Obama- ACORN’s favorite nut.

profitsbeard on October 13, 2008 at 9:45 PM

Bishop, Michelle had a story up today about McCain appearing at an amnesty for aliens rally that ACORN helped organize in FL in 2007. There were other groups involved too (La Raza), but ACORN was involved, and apparently he knew it. ACORN has already been raising this.

Wethal on October 13, 2008 at 9:41 PM

So that sounds like another hispander that is coming back to bite McCain in the asno.

MB4 on October 13, 2008 at 9:45 PM

Explain to me how ACORN’s supposedly planning to convert these bogus registrations into actual bogus votes on a mass scale.

All Hail the Messiah! (ya know water to wine, fish for all)

dmann on October 13, 2008 at 9:48 PM

yep. They must have something on MCcain.

johnnyU on October 13, 2008 at 9:49 PM

yep. They must have something on MCcain.

johnnyU on October 13, 2008 at 9:49 PM

They say he’s a racist….

dmann on October 13, 2008 at 9:52 PM

Are these guys beginning to think Obama as president is a bad idea?

Tommy_G on October 13, 2008 at 9:53 PM

Elizabetty on October 13, 2008 at 9:17 PM

So that sounds like another hispander that is coming back to bite McCain in the asno.

MB4 on October 13, 2008 at 9:45 PM

Here you go.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/13/sigh-mccain-and-his-friends-atacorn/

BuckeyeSam on October 13, 2008 at 9:53 PM

Profitsbeard: ask and ye shall receive

innominatus on October 13, 2008 at 9:53 PM

Wethal on October 13, 2008 at 9:41 PM

ACORN helping organize a rally against giving them $800 large, working for them and training their operatives. I say go for it.

Bishop on October 13, 2008 at 9:53 PM

A couple of things, for one thing they might be trying to effect local elections as well. In that case there won’t be millions of votes.

For another, ACORN pays for these people to go out and register voters. It could be that some of these folks get lazy and start registering Disney characters and the Dallas Cowboys just to get names, and to get paid.

Terrye on October 13, 2008 at 9:56 PM

All of these CNN stories about ACORN are starting to worry me. It is not that I don’t think that ACORN could help steal the election. The fact that CNN is hitting them so hard is making me think that CNN believes that Obama can win easily without the help of those such as ACORN. As a result of believing it is in the bag for Obama, CNN is now going after the groups whose activities might taint that win.

Just a paranoid theory.

swampleg on October 13, 2008 at 9:58 PM

Explain to me how ACORN’s supposedly planning to convert these bogus registrations into actual bogus votes on a mass scale.

That ain’t the point. This is:

ACORN’s higher-ups aren’t necessarily trying to get Barack Obama elected, though that would be a nice consequence of their actions. ACORN is following the strategy given to it by its founder, learned at the feet of Cloward and Piven: to destroy the basic institutions of civil society by stressing them to their breaking point then ginning up a crisis of confidence sufficient to replace them with socialist substitutes.

This all didn’t just start this week, or this election, or even this decade. They’ve been working towards their golden moment for a long, long time now. And now they’re almost all the way home.

Mike H on October 13, 2008 at 10:00 PM

Again some get the wrong focus. Its NOT all about voter registration. Its about vote BUYING.

Offerine people money to do the democrats work for them. Yeah is nice that you can get voters registered but just THINK of the millions of vote registers that are getting money from pro left organizations.

ACORN has millions of people on the payroll and its one of several types of these organzations. Thats millions of people getting money directly from the Democratic party.

The vote registration is just the icing on the cake.

William Amos on October 13, 2008 at 10:00 PM

Shgould say thats millions indoctrinated into the demcocratic party via a group like ACORN. These people are being used to get votes via a paycheck.

William Amos on October 13, 2008 at 10:02 PM

Explain to me how ACORN’s supposedly planning to convert these bogus registrations into actual bogus votes on a mass scale.

A fake id is easier to get than a fake voter registration.
What do you think all these illegal aliens use to drive there cars.
they pay money for people to vote using these fake id and they have have already done the hard work getting the voter registered

kangjie on October 13, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Judging from some of the e-mail we’re getting, though, true believers think something bigger’s going on, as though an Obama win by a few percentage points — which would mean a margin of a few million votes — would be inherently shady. Explain to me how ACORN’s supposedly planning to convert these bogus registrations into actual bogus votes on a mass scale.

You are conflating two incommensurate phenomena, I think — or you are accusing others of doing so; I can’t tell for sure which.

A “margin of a few million votes” is only applicable for national totals, which are meaningless for the election outcome, except in the Gore “moral victory” sense. So I can’t see that point as a focus of vote fraud at all — the point is whether you actually win in the electoral college. I know you know this, but I really don’t get why you brought this up at all.

What ACORN seems to be doing is trying to establish large presence of fraudulent registrations in all the swing states, so that whatever is the new Florida, they’ve got the margins. In a close election, that may be all it takes. Isn’t that bad enough to qualify as something bigger? It’s certainly not just Ohio, which seems to be everyone’s guess for the new Florida.

Splunge on October 13, 2008 at 10:03 PM

innominatus at 9:53 PM-

LOL!

*Hat tip*

profitsbeard on October 13, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Explain to me how ACORN’s supposedly planning to convert these bogus registrations into actual bogus votes on a mass scale.

Two democrats that are poll workers in ten to twenty precincts in a swing county could have a list of fifty to a hundred fake names on the rolls. Throughout the day they slowly steal the ballots and sign them off on the roll while they sneak the O ballots into the box. Enough votes to give an edge. I’ve seen reports that they pulled off stuff like this in many precincts around the country during caucuses.

snaggletoothie on October 13, 2008 at 10:11 PM

Obama with 364 electoral votes, according to Bloomberg.

jay12 on October 13, 2008 at 10:17 PM

Another possibility (From AOSHQ comments). Perhaps this is the Clinton October surprise? Anyone know how CNN sided during the primary? If Clintons are friendly with CNN top brass?

Wethal on October 13, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Another possibility (From AOSHQ comments). Perhaps this is the Clinton October surprise? Anyone know how CNN sided during the primary? If Clintons are friendly with CNN top brass?

Wethal on October 13, 2008 at 10:18 PM

There you go. I was scrolling to the bottom to post something similar. CNN still stands for the Clinton News Network, right?

HRC and McCain supporters make strange bedfellows don’t they? (Figuratively speaking of course!)

I believe the GOP voters tried hard to beat Obama down for Hillary during the primaries. I voted for her as part of Operation Chaos.

Oink on October 13, 2008 at 10:32 PM

I live in Philadelphia and have never been asked for id when I have gone to vote. So related to your question how these fraudulent registrations can turn into votes… So, I first go in as Susie Smith to vote, in an hour I go to the booth as Judy Garland, whose false registration I submitted back in September. Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, and Sammy Davis are bussed in from another district and vote against the fraudulant registration that was sent in without any check of id.

EyesOpen on October 13, 2008 at 10:42 PM

Explain to me how ACORN’s supposedly planning to convert these bogus registrations into actual bogus votes on a mass scale.

I don’t know every state, but in MA you walk in and give your address, then your name and some volunteer puts a line through it.

The best part is, the book is open right in front of you, and you can see all the names and which ones have been crossed off already.

There were some cases where people went to vote and found that their name had already been crossed off.

reaganaut on October 13, 2008 at 10:44 PM

Explain to me how ACORN’s supposedly planning to convert these bogus registrations into actual bogus votes on a mass scale.

The same way that Booosh and Teh Magnificent Bastard mind-melded with Diebold machines to make them do their bidding.

spmat on October 13, 2008 at 10:45 PM

I am with
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 13, 2008 at 9:30 PM

The way you convert all those registrations to votes is through absentee ballots. Notice that many of them put shelters as addresses, it would be easy enough to get a contact at the shelter to send all absentee ballots to ACORN.

Also, don’t forget the same day registration and voting. You could drive people all over the state and get them to vote at least a few times each day.

DWSC on October 13, 2008 at 10:50 PM

Another possibility (From AOSHQ comments). Perhaps this is the Clinton October surprise?

Wethal on October 13, 2008 at 10:18 PM

NOW we’re talking!

SlimyBill on October 13, 2008 at 10:56 PM

Best get out the vote method:

VOTE EARLY AND VOTE OFTEN.

bloggless on October 13, 2008 at 11:01 PM

Another possibility (From AOSHQ comments). Perhaps this is the Clinton October surprise?

Wethal on October 13, 2008 at 10:18 PM

What do you mean?

bloggless on October 13, 2008 at 11:02 PM

William Amos on October 13, 2008 at 9:54 PM

William, I have been saying all along, It is all connected. The market, the mortgages, the leftists, the messiah, ayers, acorn, it is all connected. These people will comandeer the white house and change the country.

bloggless on October 13, 2008 at 11:05 PM

3rd scenario: a few thousand votes on the popular side, but a strategically engineered ACORN-fueled landslide on the electoral side. Suddenly “selected not elected” is a thing of the past and the institutions of the Fathers are reasserted in all of their sophisticated brilliance.

omriceren on October 13, 2008 at 11:10 PM

The Iraqis have it right! Purple finger. Nobody with a purple finger gets to vote again.

We need to have our election on Election Day! (What a concept!) None of this early voting. None of this absentee business. (Unless of course you’re military or out of the country on Election Day.) Why has our electoral process become so frickin’ complicated?

ErinF on October 13, 2008 at 11:12 PM

If Obambi steals the election through the electoral college (not the popular vote), can WE then relentlessly call him the illegitimate president for the next four years?

ErinF on October 13, 2008 at 11:14 PM

Well forevermore! Did pigs fly?

christene on October 13, 2008 at 11:21 PM

Legislation introduced by Representative Keith Ellison (D-MN) to prohibit photo ID requirements for voting in federal elections would promote election fraud, say members of the black leadership network Project 21.

William Amos on October 13, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Obama

Ellison

and ACORN

Are all nicely tied together by Crawford v. Marion County Election Board.

Mr. Obama continues to back Acorn. They both joined briefs urging the Supreme Court to overturn Indiana’s law.

Link

Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) today released the following statement on the Supreme Court amicus brief to challenge the constitutionality of the Indiana Voter ID Law currently before the Supreme Court, which he has signed. The brief, originally filed by Congressman Keith Ellison and supported by the entire Congressional Black Caucus

Link

What State was the video about/s???

mad saint jack on October 13, 2008 at 11:30 PM

Explain to me how ACORN’s supposedly planning to convert these bogus registrations into actual bogus votes on a mass scale.

How about explaining why they’re doing it, if not to screw up a presidential election?

Jim Treacher on October 13, 2008 at 11:35 PM

Explain to me how ACORN’s supposedly planning to convert these bogus registrations into actual bogus votes on a mass scale.

If it’s no big deal than why is it illegal?

Topsecretk9 on October 13, 2008 at 11:49 PM

How, precisely, do people think ACORN’s going to influence the election? The worry, as I’ve understood it, is that the race will narrow and we’ll end up a la 2000 in a cliffhanger with one or two counties in some swing state deciding who wins. In that scenario, a few thousand phony votes would be monumental.

That’s not it at all.

ACORN’s aim isn’t that anyone will vote on these fraudulent registrations. They intend for the registrations to so clog up the validation system that many valid registrations won’t be accepted by Election Day and that a few bad ones will sneak through.

The notion here is to overload the electoral system so that after the election, they can claim that the system is horribly broken.

I’ve been writing about this for the past couple weeks and I can’t seem to get anyone’s attention. Guys like Treacher has been touching on it, too, and haven’t gotten much play.

It is a big deal, but not for the reasons that you (and most of the MSM) believe it is. The target isn’t the election. It’s the system itself.

Jimmie on October 13, 2008 at 11:52 PM

It’s the system itself.

Ayer’s vision lives.

Topsecretk9 on October 14, 2008 at 12:01 AM

What with the crap about “both sides can now claim voter fraud”

Are they really suggesting that ACORN is helping register fake republicans?

Every single one checked so far is fraudulent?! 1+ million new voter registrations came from ACORN, are they all fraudulent? That would be astounding!

Sackett on October 14, 2008 at 12:04 AM

I think what may be going on is twofold.

1st what some have said above, its to clog the system, get a few through, AND possibly get the system destroyed so something else can be set up (like US ID cards that can be easily counterfeited)

2nd it helps skew the polls. Think about it… 200k fake names in Ohio is a percentage point or two. So when pollsters use these numbers they have to call more dimocrats. Then after the votes are over they can say “DISENFRANCHISEMENT!” (if McCain wins), because there were OBVIOUSLY more voters for Obama, so what happened to those votes?!? Dibold?! or Hanging Chads!! or Biased (barely keeping a straight face) Poll Workers, stealing the O’s votes, or just plain out changing them for McCain!!

Then they once again scream “selected not elected” and hope that sticks till the next election, and they can get more Dims in Congress, and then get the laws changed so NEXT time, they can win.

Its all of the above (other comments too)

JarvisW on October 14, 2008 at 12:05 AM

Let me say it again. The entire reason ACORN was founded was to overload our governmental systems so that the progressives could claim them broken and replace them with something of their own devising. I wish I were making this up but I’m not. The sooner we take the progressives at their word, the sooner we can save our fundamental democratic institutions. Right now our election system is under deliberate attack. Those who run ACORN could fix their system to weed out the fraudulent applications. They have had years to do so but they will not because their system is producing exactly the results they intend.

Thanks Jimmie. This is too complicated for the mainstreamers and mainstream believers/apologists who need crayons and big pieces of paper to understand why it’s a big deal, apparently.

Topsecretk9 on October 14, 2008 at 12:06 AM

How is ACORN planning to convert fake voter registrations into actual votes, you ask?

Answer: Humping robots.

Mcguyver on October 14, 2008 at 12:29 AM

OK, time for Mexican voting laws………

“…A nationwide electoral law and system of voter IDs guarantees uniformity,…”

…………. oh, wait, that’s “racism”…..

Seven Percent Solution on October 14, 2008 at 12:39 AM

Here you go Allah – the for dummies version

An Ohio man who registered to vote several times cast a bogus ballot with a fake address in a vote-fraud case stemming from ACORN, officials said today, as they revealed nearly 4,000 applications from the left-leaning activist group were suspect.

Darnell Nash, one of four people subpoenaed in a Cuyahoga County probe of ACORN’s voter-registration activities, was booted from the voter rolls and his case was turned over to local prosecutors, county Board of Elections officials said today.

Nash had registered to vote repeatedly from an address that belonged to an actual registered voter, officials said during a hearing involving the four subpoenaed voters.

Board officials had been in contact with Nash since the summer, and informed him he had to stop repeat registering.

But still, he breezed into Ohio election offices – the state allows early voting for president – and cast a paper ballot, officials said. It could not be learned if he voted for John McCain or Barack Obama.

“He came in on 9/30 and Mr. Nash again registered to vote at [someone else's] address, and he cast a ballot,” said board official Jane Platten.

Topsecretk9 on October 14, 2008 at 12:43 AM

I love it when CNN gets honest. I can almost forgive them. Almost.

Travis1 on October 14, 2008 at 12:43 AM

As to why is CNN all of sudden doing this real journalism?

I truly believe their internals show that McCain can win and in the case of it being close, blame voter fraud.

And since they have ACORN on record as saying they’re non-partial, they can reasonably (loaded to bear with their talking points) create the suspicion that the winner was ushered in via fraud.

(Year 2000 election re-do, anyone?)

Then of course, by then they have been all over this, fabricate one McCain speech with ACORN in the audience as evidence of their claim.

And if McCain wins by a wide enough margin to nullify such claims, they can point to the fact that they were not in the bathtank like MSNBC…!!

Which will be the life boat they need to float away on the river of pee and vee flowing from Chriss Drippling Leg Matthews on Nov. 5th, 2008

..and voila! The Clinton News Network comes out unscathed!!

Mcguyver on October 14, 2008 at 1:23 AM

I think it’s Lou Dobbs. He has ONE reporters ear.

Topsecretk9 on October 14, 2008 at 1:42 AM

Lib cestpool, the Nickelodeon Channel, is running their “Kids Pick the President” online election. Anyone can vote. I just voted about 50 times. Log on! Vote Often. See what it’s like to be an ACORN voter.

http://www.nick.com/kpp/

Incidentally, they’ve run this over the past ten years, and Gore and Kerry both won in landslides.

If anyone out there doubts that Nick is an extreme lib endoctrination source to American kids, let me spell it out! Nick pushes everything from Dora the Explorer (who teaches you have to speak Spanish to get anywhere) to South of Nowhere (which is about a 15 year old girl who discovers she is a lesbian who ends up in a sexual relationship with the “bad girl” of the school).

Since Nick is such a sewer of lib scum, I suggest all HA and MM bloggers just vote away for McCain. Not sure if it will do any good, buy what the heck.

ErinF on October 14, 2008 at 2:08 AM

With 13 States saying there a bogus ballots. They should do something now. Democrats are nothing but liars, cheaters, thief’s, bigots and any other bad word that I can’t say. Oops some Democrats are good. Not many though. What will they do to the ones that admitted on TV that they filled out tons of them? We should raise hell about that. Nov. 4th might not be a true count. Notice that all the fake ballots were for Nobrainernobama?

sheebe on October 14, 2008 at 2:36 AM

Q: Why do you need an advocacy group out there to ply people with cigarettes and cash to vote? I just simply walked in to the county-city building in South Bend, Indiana in 1992 and registered to vote.

I took it upon myself. It is the responsibility of the Patriot.

Black Adam on October 14, 2008 at 2:50 AM

Why do you need an advocacy group out there to ply people with cigarettes and cash to vote?

Because he can’t attract them with his ideas.

P.S. Sorry about Isis and Osiris.

Jim Treacher on October 14, 2008 at 4:05 AM

P.S. Sorry about Isis and Osiris.

Jim Treacher on October 14, 2008 at 4:05 AM

Ah, I should have known not to trust a talking crocodile.

Black Adam on October 14, 2008 at 4:15 AM

If you flood the system with bogus apps and a few get through, because of the volume. You now have bogus voters available.
It’s like a shotgun effect. Hundreds at the target but only a few actually hit where you want.
If they get 1 percent through for every 1000 thats 10 usable
votes. They have “registered” millions.

PaKeystoner on October 14, 2008 at 4:55 AM


Explain to me how ACORN’s supposedly planning to convert these bogus registrations into actual bogus votes on a mass scale.

What makes you think that only the national election is at risk? A few hundred phony votes could determine who controls a city, and it’s local control that ultimately gives parties their national clout.

But so far as the national election is concerned, once the ‘voter’ is created by a fradulent registration, his vote can be exercised by absentee ballot, by a ‘ringer’ showing up at the polls or by corrupt election officials simply certifying that he voted.

PersonFromPorlock on October 14, 2008 at 6:16 AM

Explain to me how ACORN’s supposedly planning to convert these bogus registrations into actual bogus votes on a mass scale.

It’s called community organizing.

el hombre on October 14, 2008 at 6:54 AM

How to turn these phony registratants into votes?

As the ‘activist organizations’ flood the system close to or at the deadline for registration, they swamp the internal controls to verify applications. Those then get put on the rolls as voters. Someone shows up with some form of ID that will pass muster and votes.

As mentioned many of the voter rolls are out and names crossed off as people show up. If you have a database of individuals you have registered or a block of addresses from which phony voters applications were put in, you can then have either a real voter or an ‘observer’ contact someone on the outside to then do a database look-up. If there is not a strict accounting of the actual photo ID, such as taking the driver’s license number or other identifier off of the ID, then you can have someone show up with an ID that looks valid. The cost of cardstock and laminating equipment is low in such a large operation and we have already seen fake ‘press passes’ derived from original source ones via this methodology.

This allows a small number of individuals to then do this Chicago phenomenon of ‘vote early, vote often’.

By the time the actual verification gets to an individual on the rolls, it may be weeks or months after the election, with the latter more likely due to the approaching holiday season.

This could be negated by a requirment for a valid State ID, such as driver’s license or other ID in which the polling station has a read-out for that block of individuals who live in that district. Enter the number, get the name, hand verify the name on the paper rolls, initial and time stamp it. But then you get ‘civil libertarians’ crying about how such databases can be abused, and that cross-checking is, somehow, a nefarious activity. And yet the public’s need for clean elections should have massive criminal penalties in place when such databases are compromised to undermine local democracy…. unfortunately that is not the case.

Thus criminal activity gets a slap on the wrist, civil libertarians decry cross-checking databases, organizations push in a mass of late registrations that can’t be checked and small numbers of individuals ‘vote early, vote often’ because they do not show up at the same polling places but drive from place to place. “Small” being anywhere from a handful to a few tens of people… and if the election doesn’t come out as wanted, then those individuals are sacrificed to call the election into question and claim it was ‘stolen’. How many individuals in a given area would it take to convince *you* that this would represent a larger number doing this activity? Two? Three? Ten? Twenty State-wide? Fifty? And just how will you be able to discriminate between just a few individuals doing this and a larger push of which these would be a ‘representative sample’?

There is also, of course, taking a large number of blank ballots, and filling them in and crossing the names off of the rolls after the election, but that ham-handed way usually shows up due to the block of ballots involved. That is if you have a paper-trail ballot.

Really, one can be inventive with this to get to a desired result… which is undermining representative democracy.

ajacksonian on October 14, 2008 at 7:29 AM

Serious exit question: How, precisely, do people think ACORN’s going to influence the election?

Are you kidding? In the 2000 election, thousands of votes in Cook County were again thrown, leading to speculation that hundreds of thousands of votes cast were fraudulent. It’s a one-party state, run by Democrat crooks.

How, precisely, do you fanatasize that massive Democrat vote fraud doesn’t exist, since it’s found everywhere it is looked for?

Jaibones on October 14, 2008 at 7:53 AM

Explain to me how ACORN’s supposedly planning to convert these bogus registrations into actual bogus votes on a mass scale.

Ohio is changing up their voting machines in key districts. Geeze, I don’t know how would someone steal an election? No transparency maybe? Brunner won’t let anyone see who is accepted on the Ohio Voter Rolls Database. Why can’t there be transparency?

Look if Obama is such a strong Candidate like the CNN propaganda machine would leave you to believe. Why would the Playing Field need rigging? CNN and NBC, MSNBC know Obama is a paper tiger. CNN is blaming the Financial Meltdown on Phil Graham come on, give me a break who do they think they are fooling? CNN what color is the sky in your WORLD. This is why I don’t watch CNN or NBC or MSNBC. They are Lame, who do they think they are fooling only their very Liberal demographic. That isn’t who Obama needs to Win. Lou Dobbs is the only one left on CNN with any amount of credibility.

I heard Bill Maher say, on Imus in the Morning, this Morning. He said, he thinks it takes a economic crisis like the one we have, for Americans to do the “Right” thing, and elect a Black Man. First off I don’t vote Based on Race for the Leader of the Free World How is that RIGHT? And Second Barack Obama is bi racial, he isn’t Black. That is how twisted Liberals see Race. Bill Maher – Got White Guilt Much?

Dr Evil on October 14, 2008 at 8:55 AM

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