McCain: Fight
posted at 3:05 pm on October 13, 2008 by Allahpundit
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A mid-afternoon pep talk. As with (almost) all things McCain, the boss is underwhelmed.
Update: Hmmm: “This is NOT McCain’s closing speech. McCain advisers say they’re saving their best material for the last ten days of the race, when, the campaign hopes, three quarters of the remaining undecided voters will make up their minds, and their minds will be concentrating on Barack Obama.”
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As much as I love Rush, anything he’s said should probably not be considered, since I’m confident the Obamatons have everything he’s said on record already.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 13, 2008 at 3:57 PM
It’s not a promise, but a simple declaration of fact. I might as well promise you that the sun will rise tomorrow morning.
ManlyRash on October 13, 2008 at 3:58 PM
Unfortunately, I’m on this site, and it’s not helping either. :)
tickleddragon on October 13, 2008 at 3:58 PM
They’ve been doing it ever since she was picked. The Huckabites are worse. At least the Paulitans are gone.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 13, 2008 at 3:58 PM
“Name the names,make them famous!
canopfor on October 13, 2008 at 3:54 PM”
HA HA HA!!! That is actually a very good point.
Mav will make sure that anybody who puts in “pork barrel spending” in a legislative bill will become famous, but I sense that if the person to be made famous is a conservative, he may be in bigger danger than if it is a democrat or a pretend-republican like Grahamnesty.
However, he wont name names of Obama’s terrorist ties, just pork barrel spending proponents. This is a case of a guy who can only focus on one thing at a time. Remember in 2000 how Mav could ONLY talk about campaign finance reform? Now he is ONLY comfortable talking about pork barrel spending which, although he may be right, is HARDLY the issue driving americans today. dumb
Roger Waters on October 13, 2008 at 3:59 PM
You know, I kinda miss those cuddly buggers.
tickleddragon on October 13, 2008 at 3:59 PM
buzz buzz buzz
*blink blink*
buzz buzz buzz
tickleddragon on October 13, 2008 at 4:00 PM
The best line–
“get the economy out of the ditch”
texasgirl on October 13, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Sounds like a plan. Grue made a good point. The left probably has everything recorded for the deportation hearings for Rush.
HornetSting on October 13, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Grue in the Attic on October 13, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Hey, Attic, I didn’t call you a grouser or a griper – that was for a handful of others. Never thought of you that way. Inchoately monstrous presence looming in the darkness, maybe, but never a grouser or a griper.
I don’t have anything against thoughtful criticism – but pointless gloom and pessimism, not to mention ventilation of terminal MDS, with 3 weeks to go and facing the spectre of an Obama-Reid-Pelosi regime (talk about a looming, inchoately monstrous presence!), that’s something different.
CK MacLeod on October 13, 2008 at 4:04 PM
This place is getting to be indistinguishable from FreeRepublic.
capitalist piglet on October 13, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Somebody bronze this.
But enough about the pollsters.
What did you think of Obama dancing with Ellen?
Jim Treacher on October 13, 2008 at 4:06 PM
Thats plain stupid. But hey, Bush still has about 26% aproval rate so I think everything is possible. I mean why do we hide and not say that the Bush administration has his part of guilt in the financial meltdown and that Bush’s last 4 years hasn’t been exactly great. We are in a perfect strom times and dreaming of Romney’s chanses is not going to help a lot.
clemycali on October 13, 2008 at 4:06 PM
Cold turkey. Read a book. Rake some leaves. Talk to another human being. Avoid all this crap for 24 hours. I’m telling you.
They’re psyching you guys out, and you’re too proud to admit it’s not your idea.
Jim Treacher on October 13, 2008 at 4:08 PM
In McCain’s case, isn’t this akin to being down 10 points with 3 minutes left in the game and deciding to go into a four-corners stall for two minutes (assuming no shot clock) and hoping to win in the final minute?
Oy.
Can’t resist: They go hunting with Cheney.
Seriously, is anyone else in favor of McCain proposing a prospective cabinet. For the past three to four weeks, he’s been wanderging around the country looking like Moses wandering in in the desert for 20 years. Somebne get him to Mount Sinai and the burning bush already (Karl Rove, Bill Kristol, whoever), and let’s get this show on the rode.
Moses had Aaron as his spokesman. Maybe if McCain could have Rudy as his by announcing that Rudy would be his AG and that Rudy would make it his first priority to investigage the role of Congress in the credit crisis. A few tough-guy Caleb- and Joshua-types in that proposed cabinet wouldn’t hurt either.
BuckeyeSam on October 13, 2008 at 4:09 PM
“I strongly disagree with this ideea that Romney would have been better and that the market crash was predictible.
clemycali on October 13, 2008 at 3:56 PM”
Assuming that you are talking about the credit markets, not the stock market, then you are demonstrably wrong. The credit market has been in a significant crunch for about 16 months. The Fed has been warning of it getting worse and some knowledgable repbulicans (I think all house of reps types) have also been yelling about the coming danger.
But Mav wouldnt understand the credit markets…probably confuses it with the stock market like you just did and so he certainly missed the boat.
of course, the real kicker is Mav’s plan to have the government buy up real estate loans where the lender is under water. That is like sticking up a flashing sign that says “HEY EVERYBODY, IF YOU ARE UNDER WATER ON YOUR HOME LOAN…WALK AWAY…THE TAXPAYERS WILL BAIL YOU OUT!!”
Michelle Malkin is correct. That was disgusting and extremely liberal. But, who is going to correct him? Palin? Grahamnesty? A bunch of bozos is what they are.
Republicans get what they deserve…unfortunately for the country.
Roger Waters on October 13, 2008 at 4:09 PM
I assume I’m included in that dreaded group you’re complaining about. But Hon, I’m disappointed, and have the right to state my disappointment. I’m sorry it bugs you, but you really must just give us some leeway. I’m still voting for the guy. What the hell else do you want from me – automaton-like glee at the wonderful job McCain is doing for my vote?
tickleddragon on October 13, 2008 at 4:10 PM
DOW closes up 941? Wow…
Game changer….
Romeo13 on October 13, 2008 at 4:12 PM
I believe you’re right, Jim. I really do. Which is why I’m annoyed so at the quoting of polls so much here.
Will try to step away some. Thanks.
tickleddragon on October 13, 2008 at 4:13 PM
They will revolt and lose. Whichever side has the commander in chief on there side will have a huge advantage.
Secondly if San fran/Manhattan liberals invade Texas or Oklahoma they will be in for a very rude awakening.
Which is what scares me about the opposite scenario
kangjie on October 13, 2008 at 4:13 PM
Not a bad idea at all.
tickleddragon on October 13, 2008 at 4:14 PM
lorien & tickleddragon
, my favorite ManlyRash quote.
the Rash Rocks!
lobosan5 on October 13, 2008 at 4:15 PM
Good fighting words but he’d better get moving before it’s too late.
Big John on October 13, 2008 at 4:15 PM
Our side would really have to learn to fight dirty.
tickleddragon on October 13, 2008 at 4:16 PM
He is indeed a sage. :)
tickleddragon on October 13, 2008 at 4:16 PM
When the time comes it will look like an innocent convo about cute and cuddly kittens, on a site about potholders… I assure you. *wink*
tickleddragon on October 13, 2008 at 4:19 PM
Nah, just hide it as a Jihadist site! CAIR will protect ya! ACLU will help!
Romeo13 on October 13, 2008 at 4:23 PM
I don’t know about you McCain supporters, but your candidate is not a fighter. He lost it, all his “b…”. It is like he is sabotaging his campaign to get Obama elected. Gee it is so obvious he does not want to win. You have to get used to seeing a Socialist United States. The winner is the media who wanted him to win the primary and left the GOP without true representation. I don’t understand why the GOP got him to be their nominee.
mariloubaker on October 13, 2008 at 4:23 PM
Hmmm… thinking back… I can’t think of any Spec War type that I ever met, who was a Liberal…
Romeo13 on October 13, 2008 at 4:24 PM
yup……indeed!!
The spirit of the Dog is directly correlated to how many times it gets slapped by a righteous owner & how fast it rebounds!.
lobosan5 on October 13, 2008 at 4:25 PM
Oh,for cripesakes…now I have a fan club. If you want some really good stuff, got the Palin abortion thread posted yesterday, I was particularly ornery and in rare form there.
ManlyRash on October 13, 2008 at 4:27 PM
You are a men among men.
HornetSting on October 13, 2008 at 4:30 PM
I agree
Something else grow with each passing decade, liberals. The public school system and immigration turns them out at an alarming rate.
Its very possible that we are just overwhelmed and driven out. Whoever hold the apparatus of government has a huge advantage.
We have people on our side that are very comfortable with liberalism
kangjie on October 13, 2008 at 4:33 PM
t-dragon
I don’t expect “automaton-like glee” but comments like your one at 3:09 – “Empty words from a half-assed candidate” – read like a summary dismissal, in the neighborhood of automaton-like hatred. You’ve got to know that there are many of us, presumably on your side, are going to find such a statement a bit of a buzzkill, to put it mildly. I strongly disagree with you that his words were “empty” (all of them – do you really mean that?), and just because you don’t agree with his strategy doesn’t make it “half-assed.” That’s just crude and insulting. And you’ll find lots of people across the broad coalition that McCain is struggling to assemble who believe, rightly or wrongly, that he’s been too negative, too feisty, and so on. You think what he’s trying to achieve is easy? With the Democratic Party, the leftwing nutjobs and criminals, the Bush legacy, the financial catastrophe, the MDS conservatives, the elitist traitors, the mass media, world opinion, political history, and your dog Spot against him?
He’s not the greatest-ever speaker, not as young as he was, but he’s a great American and he’s put a whole helluva lot more into defeating the democratic socialist, his congressional enablers, and their army of real and virtual thugs than you or I have. And he threw us Palin. So how about giving him and those of us who want to fight on his side just a bit of a break?
CK MacLeod on October 13, 2008 at 4:33 PM
Thanks, I hit submit before throwing in some attribution. I think I took the cabinet idea from an article today at townhall.com by Burt Prelutsky. It’s a good feel good piece. All the advice you’d like to give McCain…but know he won’t take.
Oy.
BuckeyeSam on October 13, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Obama has been getting lots of traction on the financial crisis, that somehow his “change” would be better than a continuation of the Bush “deregulation” policy (when it was really the Democrats who deregulated).
But all three market indexes are up over 11% today. Obviously, not back to where they were early last month, but if the markets can rebound significantly and have confidence that things won’t crash, could the campaign then focus on other issues?
Could a sharply recovering market favor McCain? If a market in apparent free-fall might lead voters to turn to an untested agent of unspecified “change”, then if the fix of the existing leadership seems to be working, will people still want to give the rookie the chance to screw up a fragile market, or let cooler heads prevail?
If the markets continue to rebound and then stabilize near Election Day, McCain could then blame Obama for being part of the problem (his representing ACORN on forcing banks to make risky loans, the Democrats’ blocking his reform of Fannie and Freddie in 2005), then could TAKE CREDIT for working with Congress to help with the bailout, and his proposed aid to troubled homeowners, while Obama was AWOL on the campaign trail.
Time will tell whether the markets have really stabilized–they have been extremely volatile over the past few weeks. But if they do stabilize enough so that people believe the “bottom” to be behind them, this would probably help McCain, because “blaming Bush” wouldn’t have much traction any more since Bush&Co. would have fixed the problem, and McCain could start attacking Obama on other issues without seeming “desperate”.
Steve Z on October 13, 2008 at 4:37 PM
McCain is going to win! My poor state raised more money for him than THE ONE! He only got $300,000 from The Magnolia State and Johnny Mac received a little over a cool million!
Manly, I pray you keep having those dream, feelings, tingles, or whatever is giving you the positive vibes!
freeus on October 13, 2008 at 4:38 PM
Unless motivated conservatives are able to reproduce like starfish before Election Day, none of this crap matters. Indies will always be consumed by their white guilt to vote for Obama unless he gives some crazy Black Nationalist speech at the debate.
Speedwagon82 on October 13, 2008 at 4:40 PM
HornetSting on October 13, 2008 at 4:41 PM
The last time I heard that I just awoken with a hangover in an all-male midget nudist colony.
ManlyRash on October 13, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Uh, as to the Ronulans/Paulbots, I am not so sure they are gone. Just a theory here, but I think they are part of the, “you might as well give in McCain has lost” crowd on the net. And I think they could also be plants at some of these rallies. I believe some of them are still alive and involved in this election and causing great trouble.
freeus on October 13, 2008 at 4:44 PM
+1
In addition to the raking leaves and book reading, I’d stop by IowaHawk for some laughs.
It’s clear that O!’s camp, aided by his pals in the MSM, are trying to depress the McCain vote by spinning everything as either a negative for McCain or a positive for Obama. Don’t fall for it.
Y-not on October 13, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Yeah, under an Obama administration, POT will proabably be legal…..OH, POTHOLDERS….okay. Good deal.
HornetSting on October 13, 2008 at 4:44 PM
heh.
HornetSting on October 13, 2008 at 4:45 PM
I don’t know… if his comment to the plumber yesterday gets airplay… about how he wants to “spread the wealth”… and then his latest thing about getting involved in private contract law (no foreclosures for 90 days?)… I think he’ll raise a lot of eyebrows in the middle class.
Romeo13 on October 13, 2008 at 4:46 PM
They’re around, but they’re not relevant in this election… which drives them nuts(ier).
Y-not on October 13, 2008 at 4:47 PM
oooooooooh yeeeeeeeah.
RushBaby on October 13, 2008 at 4:51 PM
HornetSting, who’s talking about “someone’s mind” being “changed by comments on this site”? I referred to a specific post of td’s, in its entirety, and then to her later defense of it. She can speak for herself. As for you, for someone who shows little hesitation throwing around insults and foul language, you sure get prissy sometimes. How is it that in your world denouncing the candidate you say you’re fighting for is OK, but responding to those denunciations is an Axelrodian effort to squelch free speech?
CK MacLeod on October 13, 2008 at 4:52 PM
If the “pundits” keep examining Obama’s crappy economic plan (and laughing about it) Maybe we’ll stand a chance!
Otherwise we have to hope that the current crop of Democrtic scandals will weigh on some “undecideds” decisions. And/or, the Clinton’s finally cough up whatever they might have. I still can’t believe Hillary is going to let him cut her in line- thats so unlike them. Unless she did get some kind of supreme court promise.
Yuck. Is it time to start drinking yet?
anniekc on October 13, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Allah:
The boss is always underwelmed. So what’s new?
Maybe she could actually run for office and show us all how it is done.
just kidding.
Terrye on October 13, 2008 at 4:55 PM
anniekc:
Obama’s economic plan is basically a 21st century version of Robin Hood’s economic policy. Steal from the rich and give to the poor.
Terrye on October 13, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Heh.
capitalist piglet on October 13, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Reminds me of the opening line of a joke: So this midget gynecologist walks into a lesbian night-club…
ManlyRash on October 13, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Not Robin Hood, Dennis Moore!!!
Y-not on October 13, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Look who’s prissy. I feel that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You are the one that got your feelings hurt when others insulted your candidate. We all hate Obama, but saying so gets old after awhile. McCain’s campaign is lagging, it needs fresh blood. I hope we see that from him on Wednesday. I have faith he will unleash hell.
We are on the same side, MacLeod. I’m just not ready to get my cheerleader outfit on with the big “M” and wave my little a$$ in the air.
HornetSting on October 13, 2008 at 5:18 PM
Been past time….we have a little drinking game, during the debate, you take a shot everytime McCain says “my friends”.
We used to have a drinking game where everyone took a shot when Obama said “uh”. We all ended up in the ER. :P
HornetSting on October 13, 2008 at 5:21 PM
As much as I thought Bill Kristol was WAY out of line airing our conservative family squabbles in public today, I have to say- The McCain campaign has about the worst talking heads going! I just saw one on FOX and I think he couldn’t answer the question about McCain’s tax plan because he didn’t really understand what he was talking about! There’s A LOT of stuttering and stumbling coming from his spokespeople, and thats not very confidence inspiring….
anniekc on October 13, 2008 at 5:25 PM
You dumb fuck. If it was an IQ thing Obambi would be a Chicago alderman. But maybe I’m wrong and he’s a genius, how does that explain changing positions on a dozen issues between the primary and the general? IQ?
If it’s an IQ thing, and you suggest that she doesn’t cut it, why does everyone here agree with her on just about every public policy position she has taken?
Or, maybe you are just a lefty troll and you disagree with all of the intellectual positions of conservatism? If so, wander back to DU.
Jaibones on October 13, 2008 at 5:28 PM
I warned ya.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 13, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Maybe I should just take a drink everytime an anchor from the MSM says something positive about John McCain.
Silly me
How bout everytime an MSM anchor uses the term, “landslide”
Don’t worry I won’t be driving.
anniekc on October 13, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Bones has got it right on the nose, it seems. Unless Rog is so subtly (cough cough) trying to hint that we too are all imbeciles.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 13, 2008 at 5:31 PM
What does a Grue eat during a debate?
HornetSting on October 13, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Stray MSM lemmings.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 13, 2008 at 5:35 PM
annie – I had the same initial reaction to Kristol’s column and his comments on FNS yesterday – as in, Kristol must must have caught the same pundit flu that’s been going around – but what he had to say was a little less stupid than the headline made it seem on first glance.
I don’t think it would be wise or even possible to adopt Kristol’s suggestions right away and exactly as written, but I think the overall suggestion is something the McCain campaign wanted to do anyway – get feisty, but not shrill, serious but not gloomy, optimistic but not polyannish, etc. The idea of getting the two candidates into the media more directly isn’t bad either, but that trick could get old really fast if the campaign doesn’t want its two candidates to turn into mere talking heads three weeks ahead of time.
I’ve always thought – and believed McCain planned – a kind of Trumanesque, shirtsleeves, come-from-behind finish. In the media age, it might look a lot like Kristol’s idea. I think it starts Thursday.
CK MacLeod on October 13, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Yummmmmm!
HornetSting on October 13, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Well, CK, I’d feel a whole lot better about it if I knew the evil genius Karl Rove was behind it all….which puzzles me, Karl’s going to have to live in an Obama world if he wins, too. Why isn’t HE guiding McCain? (Or is he, but the campaign knows better than to admit it?)
anniekc on October 13, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Uh, McCain probably thinks Karl Rove is the anti-christ, just like the rest of the MSM.
HornetSting on October 13, 2008 at 5:43 PM
I wish McCain’s theme song is changed to “No More Mr. Nice Guy,” by Alice Cooper.
And Sarah’s can be either “Storm Troopers,” or “Strangle Hold,” by Ted Nugent.
mindhacker on October 13, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Hmmmm…. Obamas? Your so Vain?
Michelle Obama’s… The Bitch is Back…
Romeo13 on October 13, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Well Hornetsting, you’re probably right. It’s not the first time John McCain’s judgement has diappointed me- sure it won’t be the last.
anniekc on October 13, 2008 at 5:57 PM
“You dumb fuck. If it was an IQ thing Obambi would be a Chicago alderman. But maybe I’m wrong and he’s a genius, how does that explain changing positions on a dozen issues between the primary and the general? IQ?
If it’s an IQ thing, and you suggest that she doesn’t cut it, why does everyone here agree with her on just about every public policy position she has taken?
Or, maybe you are just a lefty troll and you disagree with all of the intellectual positions of conservatism? If so, wander back to DU.
Jaibones on October 13, 2008 at 5:28 PM”
Dude, seriously, if you respond to me, say what you would say if we were face to face.
Now let me explain how you are wrong. Democrats dont have to be logical or know what they are talking about. Their constiuency doesnt require it. They require feel good politics even if they are void of logic.
Republicans, on the other hand, only do well when they can make a rational argument for their cause or their candidacy. So, yes, an illogical, inexperienced liberal candidate (especically one who would be the first black president) is held under a different standard than a republican.
It may be true that everybody on hot air agrees with her, including me, since she ONLY talks about social conservativism like abortion, gay rights, gun rights, etc.
However, when it comes to the OTHER vital issues of foreign policy and economic policy (two of the OTHER three pillars of conservatism), she is either a complete ignoramus or cant articulate a point….sorta like John McCain.
That is why she makes MOST people nervous about her ability to lead the country, should she become POTUS, particularly in a challenging time like we are in now. Ever read the Wall Street Journal? (We know Palin doesnt until a McCain advisor told her that she did.) They just had a poll showing that a significant majority of likely votors consider Palin to be a liability on the ticket. That poll may not reflect the hot air community, but the likely voting population tends to be a tad more important when selecting a POTUS.
Finally, you used the ol standby that if I dont agree with you, I must be a “troll”. Insecure about your weak opinions, I see.
Roger Waters on October 13, 2008 at 6:17 PM
*breaking a cold sweat*
You…um…have a cheerleader outfit? Is it…is it…um…a naughty cheerleader outfit? Ha hah..heh heh…*giggles nervously*
ManlyRash on October 13, 2008 at 6:35 PM
McCain can still win. Its not over til its over.
aengus on October 13, 2008 at 6:47 PM
Okay, anecdotal evidence of the day to inspire all:
My wife was coming home through Ft. Myers from a client site during rush hour this afternoon. When she passed under the bridge to Cape Coral, a man and his two daughters (8-10 years old) were under the bridge. The daughters were holding up McCain/Palin signs with American flags and the man was playing a trumpet to draw attention to it. Neither of us have observed past behavior like this from Republicans…. obviously, these people have heart and want to win.
CC
CapedConservative on October 13, 2008 at 7:37 PM
McCain
can stillwill win. Itsnotover til itsover for Obama.Fixed it.
ManlyRash on October 13, 2008 at 8:32 PM
McCain
can still will winlost. Itsnotovertil its over for Obama.Fixed it
Roger Waters on October 13, 2008 at 8:59 PM
Your turn to use your mommy’s computer again?
CC
CapedConservative on October 13, 2008 at 9:01 PM
yes it is. Hold on Mom!!! Be right there!!!
Roger Waters on October 13, 2008 at 9:19 PM
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