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Russia to Europe: Let’s have an anti-US alliance

posted at 9:20 am on October 11, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Somehow, I doubt that Russia’s latest diplomatic project will gain much traction with its closest European neighbors, but it does at least expose the Russians as something other than allies to the US.  Dmitry Medvedev has called on France and other European nations to form an anti-American front.  Nicolas Sarkozy declined direct comment:

THE President of Russia has called on Europe’s leaders to create a new world order that would minimise the role of the United States.

Confident that a row with Europe prompted by Russia’s invasion of Georgia in August was over, Dmitry Medvedev arrived in the French spa town of Evian on Wednesday determined to woo his fellow leaders into creating an anti-US front. …

In a speech delivered to European leaders at a conference hosted by the French President, Nicolas Sarkozy, to discuss the international financial crisis, Mr Medvedev sought to show that the US was at the root of all the world’s problems. He blamed Washington’s “economic egotism” for the world’s financial woes and then accused the Bush Administration of taking Europe to the brink of a new cold war by pursuing a deliberately divisive foreign policy.

He also maintained that the US was once again trying to return to a policy of containing Russia.

Small wonder.  Vladimir Putin has tried strongarming former Soviet republics into falling back into Moscow’s satellite system.  He attempted to interfere with elections in Ukraine, with some convinced that the Russians were behind the poisoning of Viktor Yushchenko, who then launched the Orange Revolution and pushed the pro-Moscow Viktor Yanukovych out of power.  The UK believes that the Russians assassinated former KGB agent and Putin critic Alexander Litvinenko, which Litvinenko himself said before he died of radiation poisoning from a dose of polonium.  The attack on Georgia only escalated Putin’s return to empire-building.

Medvedev wants an end to NATO.  Instead, he wants a new European security pact based on the “inadmissibility of the use of force”, which hardly sounds like a security pact at all.  In fact, in light of Russia’s attack on Georgia, it’s staggeringly hypocritical.  Russian forces invaded Georgia — they didn’t ask the West to pressure Georgia to stop attacking separatists who had attacked them, with Russian backing.  The newly militarized Russia wants Europe to end its century-long partnership with the US and disarm itself, and undoubtedly there are enough fools in western Europe that this proposal will get taken seriously — especially in France and Spain.

They should talk to Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Poland, Ukraine, Georgia, the Czechs, and others in the former Iron Curtain region.  They know and understand Russia better than anyone else in Europe, and they understand the nature of the beast Putin has created again in Moscow.  They have lived for centuries under the threat of Russian oppression as well as the reality of it, and they have no desire to experience the latter again.  Russia wants its empire back, and they want Europe as a doormat once again.


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And Obama sez…?

Oh wait… he won’t be asked that question until after the election.

Skywise on October 11, 2008 at 9:22 AM

And Obama sez…?

PRESENT

PaKeystoner on October 11, 2008 at 9:27 AM

I suppose we can always pull out of all those military installations and realign, you know, further east a bit. Where we’re welcome.

DrSteve on October 11, 2008 at 9:29 AM

Dont worry. The one will be able to talk to them and everything will be great! : /

boomer on October 11, 2008 at 9:29 AM

World economy??? my lilly white ass. Russia will do anything to dominate the world! If that means we the USA grinds to a halt the better!

grapeknutz on October 11, 2008 at 9:29 AM

THE President of Russia has called on Europe’s leaders to create a new world order that would minimise the role of the United States.

Obama says “Hey Vladimir, don’t bother, my plan will minimize it for ya! … Oh yeah, my good buddy Teddy Kennedy say hi!”

darwin on October 11, 2008 at 9:30 AM

Oil down. Revenue down for buyers of fancy no-workie missle systems and sixty ton tanks. Enough graft in the Putin utopia to siphon off half the GDP. Yeah! Let’s go with Putin!

Limerick on October 11, 2008 at 9:30 AM

Gee Pooty, your such a joy to have in power over there. I think someone needs to come over and kick your friggin ass. I don’t care how many freakin black belts you think you have.

johnnyU on October 11, 2008 at 9:30 AM

And Obama sez…?
Skywise on October 11, 2008 at 9:22 AM

“Yuy, if elected I will join Europe in a anti-America cabal. Oh crap, I forgot…”

JonRoss on October 11, 2008 at 9:31 AM

Putin and his puppet are playing with fire. Sooner or later, they’re going to get burned.

SoulGlo on October 11, 2008 at 9:31 AM

Pah, China is gonna become the new superpower, not Russia.

lodge on October 11, 2008 at 9:31 AM

THE President of Russia has called on Europe’s leaders to create a new world order that would minimise the role of the United States.

And maximize the role of the new Russian Empire.

Someone should tell the Russians to get stuffed!

OldEnglish on October 11, 2008 at 9:33 AM

Pah, China is gonna become the new superpower, not Russia.

lodge on October 11, 2008 at 9:31 AM

Don’t give up on the good old U.S. of A. quite yet.

JonRoss on October 11, 2008 at 9:33 AM

“Yuy, if elected I will join Europe in a anti-America cabal. Oh crap, I forgot…”

JonRoss on October 11, 2008 at 9:31 AM

Good early morning laugh. *grin*

Nathan_OH on October 11, 2008 at 9:33 AM

Iceland has to beg Russia for a survival loan. No one in the West has stepped forward. Will we see a Russian military base there sometime in the future?

Russia has always been part of European power politics and political calculations.

JiangxiDad on October 11, 2008 at 9:34 AM

Don’t trust Europe. Everybody is blaming Putin but who were directly resopnsible for his slide into tyranny? Gerhard Schoeder and Jacques Chirace who both had a defacto Russian alliance and goaded him into taking an anti-US position.

All this post-American world and multipolar world tripe is a code language for just that. European powerbrokers hate America passionately and will do anything to see the downfall of the US adn the AMericans think the Europeans are their allies and care for their good opinion!

promachus on October 11, 2008 at 9:34 AM

Putin and his puppet are playing with fire. Sooner or later, they’re going to get burned.

SoulGlo on October 11, 2008 at 9:31 AM

If the global recession is long lasting, we may see oil between 40 and 70. Without those revenues, what else does Russia have? Their comeuppance may be just around the corner.

JiangxiDad on October 11, 2008 at 9:36 AM

Russia to European leftist college students and radical islamic welfare recipient immigrants: Let’s have an anti-US alliance!

Answer: Hey, we’re already there!

Tony737 on October 11, 2008 at 9:36 AM

This doesn’t surprise me in the least.

When Bush talked about the “Axis of Evil”, it was laughed off. But I’ve worried for years that the axis was far more dangerous than the original context (WMD proliferation).

I think it involves Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Syria, North Korea, and so on. They’re taking advantage of our refusal to defend ourselves and our country’s apparent preference for political correctness, diversity, conservation…we’d rather be “liked” than risk offending anyone.

When the world pressures Iran, N. Korea acts up, taking the spotlight off Iran. Or Chaves nationalizes another American company. Or Syria starts a war in Lebanon.

We’re either too stupid to see it…or so ensconced in political correctness that we can no longer see the “clear and present danger” of this axis.

jeanneb on October 11, 2008 at 9:37 AM

Russia’s starting to freak out because of the collapse in energy prices, which has bankrolled their new-found expansionism. Eff them.

flipflop on October 11, 2008 at 9:37 AM

And Obama sez…?

Call me if you need me and I’ll phone it in to Putin.

skatz51 on October 11, 2008 at 9:38 AM

McCain has to be very careful with this topic. At the debate he specifically ruled out returning to a cold war with Russia. He did not rule out the possibility of a hot war and that will be a gotcha question in the next debate. Will he say all options are on the table? God forbid! What he should say is that we are so far away from that, it is inconceivable that the question would be asked. Russia is committed to a diplomatic relationship with the USA and we with them.

csdeven on October 11, 2008 at 9:39 AM

We should pull out of NATO, leave the UN, and let Europe deal with this thug. Europe is already gone anyway so it doesn’t really matter what dictator they live (or die) under.

darwin on October 11, 2008 at 9:39 AM

Poor Medvedev, Putin’s puppy. He has to sit, speak, roll over and make absurd speeches that he knows will make him look like an idiot.

Unfortunately, the losers will be Poland and the other former Iron Curtain victims who will be promptly sold out by the Obama administration, along with Isreal, Iraq, Tibet, Sudan . . . No injustice here, nothing to see, move along, move along.

FalseProfit on October 11, 2008 at 9:39 AM

We know that Putin has his puppet. What we don’t know whose puppet is Obama? Both puppet masters are anti-American so American values and standard of living are soon to be American history.

volsense on October 11, 2008 at 9:39 AM

If the global recession is long lasting, we may see oil between 40 and 70. Without those revenues, what else does Russia have? Their comeuppance may be just around the corner.

JiangxiDad on October 11, 2008 at 9:36 AM

And don’t forget about our good friend, Comrade Chavez. Don’t think he is sleeping well either.

JonRoss on October 11, 2008 at 9:39 AM

It will have traction, the US will be isolated and the powers will support Arab moves against Israel. We will be so broke because of our corrupt politicians we will be unable to aid our ally let alone protect ourselves.

wepeople on October 11, 2008 at 9:40 AM

All those color revolutions in former Soviet states. Didn’t George Soros have a major role in them, along with Russia?

Sekhmet on October 11, 2008 at 9:41 AM

And Obama sez…?

PRESENT – PaKeystoner

“That’s above my paygrade.”

Tony737 on October 11, 2008 at 9:42 AM

Obama: “John McCain is right. Whatever he said. Thanks for electing me, btw…”

BKennedy on October 11, 2008 at 9:44 AM

csdeven on October 11, 2008 at 9:39 AM

You mean he should lie – convincingly?

OldEnglish on October 11, 2008 at 9:45 AM

If we only had Ziegfried and Roy back to sooth the savage Putin with a fabulous Las Vegas stage show with tigers.

Mr. Joe on October 11, 2008 at 9:45 AM

… let Europe deal with this thug. – Darwin

So England becomes Englagrad before becoming Englastan? Ha, either way, they’re screwed!

Tony737 on October 11, 2008 at 9:46 AM

Comrade Chavez is referring to “Comrade Bush” now after the bank bailout

lodge on October 11, 2008 at 9:47 AM

Dmitry Medvedev arrived in the French spa town of Evian on Wednesday determined to woo his fellow leaders into creating an anti-US front

Evian is not Brussels. Did he meet with soon-to-be-irrelevant European leaders or EU connected leaders?

Is Putin attempting to undermine the EU or enjoin it?

heroyalwhyness on October 11, 2008 at 9:48 AM

And Obama sez…?

Skywise on October 11, 2008 at 9:22 AM

After returning from body surfing, Obama asks Putin, “Say, can we join that anti-US alliance too?”

On a side note, I saw crazy Pat Buchanan on The McLaughlin Report talking about Europeans smirking about our economic woes, and he was hilarious. He went on and on about how many times we’ve saved their butts. He’ll love this move.

Oh well, Obama’s reaction is that he’ll “engage in tough, principled diplomacy.”

BuckeyeSam on October 11, 2008 at 9:49 AM

Is this the same Russia that uses oil and natural gas extortion schemes to get east european countries to grab their ankles? Sounds like the idea trading partner for most of the EU……I think those tools have cornered the market in self-loathing.

David in ATL on October 11, 2008 at 9:49 AM

You mean he should lie – convincingly?

OldEnglish on October 11, 2008 at 9:45 AM

Yes, he should. Even if he were considering military action, he should never say it. Maybe the question should be asked of Oslime-a? He freely admits we should attack Pakistan. Maybe attacking Russia wont be such a stretch?

csdeven on October 11, 2008 at 9:51 AM

Someone needs to send Pooty some chicken broth aftershave and an all day pass to the man-eaters petting zoo.

Keep running the oil down folks. Its making them nervous. I’m doing my part and insulating my house with materials made in the good ole USA.

johnnyU on October 11, 2008 at 9:52 AM

csdeven on October 11, 2008 at 9:51 AM

Ok. Got you all wrong. I thought you meant that it should be off the table.

OldEnglish on October 11, 2008 at 9:56 AM

Oil is dropping and Russia is trying to get it’s proxy Iran’s nuclear weapons program off the ground. Plan B, we can use Europe for leverage…Putin, Europeans are so easy:)

Dr Evil on October 11, 2008 at 9:56 AM

Sounds like a great idea. Maybe Western Europe can let Russia take over Poland and Ukraine as a show of good faith? Maybe give it a fancy name like, oh, the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. Hmm. That has a certain ring to it. I like it.
/sarc

andycanuck on October 11, 2008 at 9:59 AM

notice he didnt approach china with that idea. what we need is cool heads and strategy, not bellicosity. some commenters here suggest further cozying up to eastern european allies…i agree. we also need to leverage the fact that china has a market based economy that runs on industry and finance, not energy.

russia is more likely to align with the saudis and venezuela than the europeans and the chinese, due to the face they have a vested interest in the energy producing economy, not the one that binds most of the rest of the world in this hurt right now.

we need to leverage our common interests with china to try and head putin off and isolate him permanently. it can be done, and not with saber rattling, but by playing the global game of Risk correctly. China is the key here, them and Japan. Lets not rush the right wing into a “russia is the enemy” stance.

ernesto on October 11, 2008 at 10:00 AM

If only American politicians had Putin’s strategic mind. Though Putin doesn’t have much, he knows how to effectively use diplomatic, information, military, and economic forms of power.

Send_Me on October 11, 2008 at 10:03 AM

Russia and Putin are well on their way to rebuilding the Soviet Union and a weak, irreparably divided US is to their liking. Even more beneficial to them will be the Marxist regime established by Obama.

rplat on October 11, 2008 at 10:04 AM

Revenue down for buyers of fancy no-workie missle systems and sixty ton tanks.

Limerick on October 11, 2008 at 9:30 AM

If the Russians make one thing well it is their Surface to Air Missle systems.

BadgerHawk on October 11, 2008 at 10:10 AM

ernesto on October 11, 2008 at 10:00 AM

Keep Japan out of it. They are still toxic in the minds of China and Russia.

OldEnglish on October 11, 2008 at 10:11 AM

President, (gag) Obama is going to get us all killed, and those of us that do manage to survive will be bowing to our Chinese master.

Laugh all you want, but Obama will never be able to stand up to these countries.

anniekc on October 11, 2008 at 10:12 AM

So much for the lion laying down with the lamb.

TooTall on October 11, 2008 at 10:12 AM

So, as awful as it is, at this moment the economic crisis may be the very thing limiting successful Russian aggression.

The American Democrat love affair with Chirac & Schroeder is as queer as self-loathing gets. If it were merely European infatuation, the Democrats would be in line with Merkel and Sarkozy today. Socialism is the real global warming threat.

maverick muse on October 11, 2008 at 10:12 AM

Putin: If you like your food cooked, and your homes warm, then my friends, it is time to drive the final stake through the heart of the USA, and stop your central banks from engaging in the design of a new global financial regime. Do not question the timing.

Tell me this isn’t a form of warfare.

The Messiah is probably hoping that this will change.

shaken on October 11, 2008 at 10:13 AM

So much for the lion laying down with the lamb.

TooTall on October 11, 2008 at 10:12 AM

It ain’t pretty watching the ass lay down for the tiger.

maverick muse on October 11, 2008 at 10:15 AM

Yeah, but Pooty Poot has mad jujitsu skills man! Oh, and a tiger cub. Schweeeet.
Sorry, have to laugh to avoid depression.
With the world teetering… we’re about to put the most unprepared ever in the job. Actually, I wish he was only unprepared. He’s actually very prepared to do some incredibly destructive things to our economy, societal norms, and national defense.
Hey, did I say that Putin has a tiger cub?

Sugar Land on October 11, 2008 at 10:15 AM

What is it about male menopause?

Connie on October 11, 2008 at 10:15 AM

Socialism is internationally/globally organized.

But conservatism is only now dawning with the realization that in order to survive, it must organize internationally as well. As the global economy has already taken the step over the line of no return, there had better be a quick international conservative alliance formed now.

Conservatives need to sharpen up immediately with their own televised media. TV is the masses’ feeding tube, bottle and pacifier. With the economic crisis, the rationale is all the stronger for establishing a conservative news network. FOX News “fair and balanced” is tipped when from the onset as everything in the “balance” is Progressive corruption. What enterprising power bases thrive on conservatism? OIL INDUSTRY for starters. Also, US Mfg. firms at odds with socialist labor unions driving each American mfg. industry into the dust, unions that have outlived their purpose, having become legitimized mafias, LEGISLATION ALREADY NOW PROTECTING WORKERS RIGHTS, what unions once were needed to protect. Mobil and Mobil/Exxon used to present Masterpiece Theater once upon a time before PBS totally devolved into thorough socialist implosion. Cable won’t reach the uneducated masses who don’t know what they are missing and certainly aren’t going to pay to learn. Sardonic humor, we all are paying and we all are learning hard lessons, though the majority refuse to see what stares at them face to face.

maverick muse on October 11, 2008 at 10:22 AM

They’re taking advantage of our refusal to defend ourselves and our country’s apparent preference for political correctness, diversity, conservation…we’d rather be “liked” than risk offending anyone.

We’re either too stupid to see it…or so ensconced in political correctness that we can no longer see the “clear and present danger” of this axis.

jeanneb on October 11, 2008 at 9:37 AM

Yep, I’d rather our nation be feared than respected, and this PC crap has gone on way too long and has done nothing but place our nation in a position of weakness and vulnerability!

The worst and scariest part is if THE ONE is elected our nation will only become weaker and more vulnerable because the Obamasiah will never use our military even in self defense! I have no doubt the first thing the Obamasiah will do once in office is to completely gut our military and intelligence capabilities (just like Clinton did) as he despises the military and intelligence agencies and so he too can brag about having a budget surplus!

I don’t care how many freakin black belts you think you have.

johnnyU on October 11, 2008 at 9:30 AM

Heh, Chuck would whip his azz…and as I always say to those in the martial arts, you can’t karate chop a bullet!

Liberty or Death on October 11, 2008 at 10:22 AM

What is it about male menopause?

Connie on October 11, 2008 at 10:15 AM

Fear of death and loss of sexual potency doesn’t explain aggression. We like breaking things even when we’re born.

JiangxiDad on October 11, 2008 at 10:22 AM

“Back down, Vladimir. Oh, god luv ya. What was I thinking?”

LibTired on October 11, 2008 at 10:23 AM

Where does that leave smaller allies of the US like Australia in a God-forbid post-America world?

I suppose both China and India will need Autralia’s natural resources in the future?

Australia will be left alone at the bottom of the World.

Crux Australis on October 11, 2008 at 10:23 AM

OldEnglish on October 11, 2008 at 10:11 AM

eh, i disagree. i think that with the right leaders in japan they can bury their final hatchets in a common economic framework, which will go a long way towards urging further closeness. first, we need to reassert japans defense infrastructure. their government will soon make defense a cabinet level ministry, and they are still the 2nd largest economy in the world. further cooperation with them and china is as large and effective a counterweight as we can get to russia’s keen strategic plays.

china yearns for stability. they do not need to be bellicose to project influence and power, they have it already. what they want is the international stability necessary to develop their nation. its a godsend that we dont find ourselves at odds with them over our interests more often, and we need to take advantage of that. where russia fails to pressure iran, china could be bargained with much more effectively. as they have waxing power in africa, security deals that protect their interests as well as civilian populations could be possible, if the right approach is taken.

thankfully, bush’s term is almost over. strategic thinking can finally begin in the white house.

ernesto on October 11, 2008 at 10:24 AM

ernesto on October 11, 2008 at 10:24 AM

I wonder if we’ll see an Asia-wide currency in the not-too-distant future.

JiangxiDad on October 11, 2008 at 10:27 AM

Where does that leave smaller allies of the US like Australia in a God-forbid post-America world?

I suppose both China and India will need Autralia’s natural resources in the future?

Australia will be left alone at the bottom of the World.

Crux Australis on October 11, 2008 at 10:23 AM

I thought your economy was extremely dependent upon resource sales to China–particularly coal. It is a blessing and a curse.

JiangxiDad on October 11, 2008 at 10:28 AM

Obama:
*
As I have said repeatedly, and unequivocally, and I have been very, very clear in my position — Present.

marklmail on October 11, 2008 at 10:28 AM

Russia and Putin are well on their way to rebuilding the Soviet Union and a weak, irreparably divided US is to their liking. Even more beneficial to them will be the Marxist regime established by Obama.

rplat on October 11, 2008 at 10:04 AM

Our problem isn’t the Marxism established by Obama. It’s the military cuts and disarmament. He’s already said he’s gonna politely ask Russia to disarm, too, and there will be peace. That’s what he said. There’s a 45 second video of it and I don’t know why McCain isn’t playing it everywhere.

LibTired on October 11, 2008 at 10:29 AM

Anyone else seeing the end-times flashing before their eyes AT THIS VERY MOMENT? I’m feeling particularly conspiracy-theory oriented today and it is only 10:30 am. Great.

Mommypundit on October 11, 2008 at 10:31 AM

the expression on McCain’s face says it all.

CC

CapedConservative on October 11, 2008 at 10:33 AM

JiangxiDad on October 11, 2008 at 10:27 AM

i think we’ll see no physical currency at all (all credit) before we see an asian one as worldwide standard, but the fact remains that those conspiracy theorists who rant and rave about the trilateral commission ARE right about one thing…the US, EU, and China have the resources and numbers to run this world, should we so choose.

ernesto on October 11, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Di… ddddddiid……….did. you. just. say. disarmament?

oh my gosh. I second and third my previous post.

Mommypundit on October 11, 2008 at 10:33 AM

If you view Russia as a rational country this statement would certainly seem inflammatory. However, Russia is not a normal country. Russia as a country, more so than say Germany or even Japan, is facing it’s own death in the span of a human generation. I would urge you to read:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/JH19Ag04.html

Quite insightful.

hamburgler on October 11, 2008 at 10:35 AM

I’m going to throw up.

Mommypundit on October 11, 2008 at 10:35 AM

Don’t trust Europe. Everybody is blaming Putin but who were directly resopnsible for his slide into tyranny? Gerhard Schoeder and Jacques Chirace who both had a defacto Russian alliance and goaded him into taking an anti-US position.

What is this based on?

All this post-American world and multipolar world tripe is a code language for just that. European powerbrokers hate America passionately and will do anything to see the downfall of the US adn the AMericans think the Europeans are their allies and care for their good opinion!

So do you agree with Medvedev that NATO should be dissolved? Or what?

aengus on October 11, 2008 at 10:37 AM

Our problem isn’t the Marxism established by Obama. It’s the military cuts and disarmament. He’s already said he’s gonna politely ask Russia to disarm, too, and there will be peace. That’s what he said. There’s a 45 second video of it and I don’t know why McCain isn’t playing it everywhere.

LibTired on October 11, 2008 at 10:29 AM

I disagree that Marxism isn’t problem, but I do agree with the excellent additional points you have made.

rplat on October 11, 2008 at 10:39 AM

ernesto on October 11, 2008 at 10:24 AM

Your points are all right, valid, and rational. Unfortunately, hatred is not rational. I really don’t see China forgetting about the Japanese aggression during the 1920s and 30s.

OldEnglish on October 11, 2008 at 10:45 AM

Regarding our military; Is there any information pertaining to where the military vote is going? I’d assume McCain, but I haven’t really heard much about it this election.

Also- I would think that enlistment will be way down in an Obama presidency given his disdain for all they do. How long before we have to enact a draft? And I’m confident the draft rules will be changed in an Obama presidency to reflect how “unfair” we’ve all been in the past to minorities. Thoughts?

anniekc on October 11, 2008 at 10:47 AM

anniekc on October 11, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Under Obama there would be no need for a draft. There would be no rifles for them.

OldEnglish on October 11, 2008 at 10:51 AM

rplat – I guess what I was saying was that his socialism wasn’t the worst problem. Poorly phrased on my part.

LibTired on October 11, 2008 at 10:52 AM

OldEnglish on October 11, 2008 at 10:45 AM

they dont have to forget about it per se…im sure France hasn’t forgotten Germany’s aggression…but as time goes on and more chinese are simply too young to remember it, i think there’s a window there. were i sec of state id be finding out all i could about what sort of incentives and framings the chinese and japanese were keen on, and what seemed like non-starters. i personally believe those divisions can be dealt with, over the long term. but we will simply never know if we’re not actively exploring those ideas.

if we sit around and say “russia bad, georgia good” and thats the extent of our analysis, the strategic thinkers in china, russia, europe, everywhere, will leave us in the dust.

ernesto on October 11, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Now, now, everyone, don’t get worked up. Remember, President Bush looked into his eyes and got a sense of his soul. I’m sure President Obama would be just as good a soul-looker.

DrMagnolias on October 11, 2008 at 10:54 AM

This sort of thing is above Obama Husein’s pay scale.

He is available to pontificate, and has Greek columns…will travel.

Hening on October 11, 2008 at 10:56 AM

ernesto on October 11, 2008 at 10:52 AM

As long as China and Korea are being asked to allow Japanese troops on their territory some sort of arrangement could possibly be made.

aengus on October 11, 2008 at 10:59 AM

not being asked

aengus on October 11, 2008 at 10:59 AM

That’s funny; Can you see Obama carting around his Greek columns to set up before every speech. Or before sitting in one of those gaudy Syrian, Iran, Iraq, meeting rooms?

anniekc on October 11, 2008 at 11:00 AM

I think I heard of this once before…when it was called the Warsaw Pact.

CP on October 11, 2008 at 11:01 AM

THE President of Russia has called on Europe’s leaders to create a new world order that would minimise the role of the United States.

The US election polls tell him he has a chance to make his point.

Wake up you Obama/Biden lovers……. The change coming will NOT be pleasant.

FireBlogger on October 11, 2008 at 11:03 AM

ernesto on October 11, 2008 at 10:52 AM

I’d like to think that you are right, ernesto. You have more faith in the Chinese than I do. P40Tiger has made it clear to me, on a much earlier thread, that the Chinese are fiercely patriotic.

OldEnglish on October 11, 2008 at 11:06 AM

Obama thought bubble: “I wonder if I could still join the anti-US alliance even if I’m the president?”

CP on October 11, 2008 at 11:08 AM

European powerbrokers hate America passionately and will do anything to see the downfall of the US adn the AMericans think the Europeans are their allies and care for their good opinion!

promachus on October 11, 2008 at 9:34 AM

Welll, don’t toss us all in the boat with Christopher Buckley, Kathleen Parker, George Will, and David Brooks quite yet, OK?

funky chicken on October 11, 2008 at 11:11 AM

That’s the Obama supporters rallying cry!

“The other countries will like us more if Obama’s President!”

anniekc on October 11, 2008 at 11:13 AM

Ed, thanks for using that pic. Gotta love the sweet nothings that McCain’s facial expression are sending Vlad’s way!

funky chicken on October 11, 2008 at 11:13 AM

We know that Putin has his puppet. What we don’t know whose puppet is Obama? Both puppet masters are anti-American so American values and standard of living are soon to be American history.

volsense on October 11, 2008 at 9:39 AM

I am not generally a conspiracy theorist. But Obama’s background is just scary. Ayers and the communists? The Saudis and other jihadists? Chicago mafia politicians? Black liberation theology? Who pulls his strings? Maybe he is so beholden to everyone that no one can pull his strings?

But the fact is: he never depended on those who are sane and have the best interests of America at heart.

I hope that everything I think I know about Obama is a lie.

petunia on October 11, 2008 at 11:15 AM

Welll, don’t toss us all in the boat with Christopher Buckley, Kathleen Parker, George Will, and David Brooks quite yet, OK?

funky chicken on October 11, 2008 at 11:11 AM

My local rag (The Cincinnati Enquirer) ran a Brooks and a Parker column this morning, and I thought I was reading Dione of the Washington Post and Dowd of NYT. I’m canceling it Monday and going with the WSJ. Toads.

BuckeyeSam on October 11, 2008 at 11:22 AM

Bush: US will work with partners on credit crisis
By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer
5 minutes ago

WASHINGTON – President Bush met with foreign financial officials Saturday and pledged a global response to the credit crisis that will lead toward a “path of stability and long-term growth.”

Bush announced no new strategies to attack the economic woes circling the globe, stressing instead, “We will do what it takes to resolve the crisis and the world’s economy will emerge stronger as a result.”

The president spoke in the Rose Garden outside the White House, joined there in a show of solidarity not long after daybreak by finance officials from the G-7 — Japan, Germany, Britain, France, Italy and Canada, in addition to the United States. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice also attended.

So, has Russia officially been kicked out, thus no G-8? Or does Russia just get to show up at some meetings but not others…if they want to play, suddenly this group is named the G-8. If they don’t want to play, suddenly we’re back to the G-7?

Is farce too strong a word?

funky chicken on October 11, 2008 at 11:22 AM

Note to Putin:
Better get that anti-U.S. alliance going quickly. When Obama takes over in January, Europe is going to fall in love with the U.S, all over again.

whitetop on October 11, 2008 at 11:23 AM

My local rag (The Cincinnati Enquirer) ran a Brooks and a Parker column this morning, and I thought I was reading Dione of the Washington Post and Dowd of NYT. I’m canceling it Monday and going with the WSJ. Toads.

BuckeyeSam on October 11, 2008 at 11:22 AM

Do yourself a favor. Don’t ever read anything the WSJ says about illegal immigration. You’ll have a stroke and burn yourself with your coffee.

btw, butter didn’t help.

JiangxiDad on October 11, 2008 at 11:25 AM

BuckeyeSam on October 11, 2008 at 11:22 AM

WSJ is a good paper. Investors Business Daily looks good too. My local grocery store sells it in the newsstand.

funky chicken on October 11, 2008 at 11:26 AM

Obama is Soros and Pelosi’s puppet

anniekc on October 11, 2008 at 11:28 AM

OldEnglish on October 11, 2008 at 11:06 AM

and so are we. that doesnt rule out reasonable cooperation. i will admit it would require kid gloves to work it out, but i see it at doable. anyone know where i can get a job at state to try and hash out my plan?

ernesto on October 11, 2008 at 11:32 AM

I think this is a terrific idea. We can bring allout troops how, we can stop providing the defense umbrella for Europe. We can save a bundle and free up troops and resources for our own defense.

And let the Europeans twist slowly in the wind. The satisfaction will be ultimately be ours as they gasp with their last breath how much they miss us.

johnsteele on October 11, 2008 at 11:35 AM

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