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Russia to Europe: Let’s have an anti-US alliance

posted at 9:20 am on October 11, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Somehow, I doubt that Russia’s latest diplomatic project will gain much traction with its closest European neighbors, but it does at least expose the Russians as something other than allies to the US.  Dmitry Medvedev has called on France and other European nations to form an anti-American front.  Nicolas Sarkozy declined direct comment:

THE President of Russia has called on Europe’s leaders to create a new world order that would minimise the role of the United States.

Confident that a row with Europe prompted by Russia’s invasion of Georgia in August was over, Dmitry Medvedev arrived in the French spa town of Evian on Wednesday determined to woo his fellow leaders into creating an anti-US front. …

In a speech delivered to European leaders at a conference hosted by the French President, Nicolas Sarkozy, to discuss the international financial crisis, Mr Medvedev sought to show that the US was at the root of all the world’s problems. He blamed Washington’s “economic egotism” for the world’s financial woes and then accused the Bush Administration of taking Europe to the brink of a new cold war by pursuing a deliberately divisive foreign policy.

He also maintained that the US was once again trying to return to a policy of containing Russia.

Small wonder.  Vladimir Putin has tried strongarming former Soviet republics into falling back into Moscow’s satellite system.  He attempted to interfere with elections in Ukraine, with some convinced that the Russians were behind the poisoning of Viktor Yushchenko, who then launched the Orange Revolution and pushed the pro-Moscow Viktor Yanukovych out of power.  The UK believes that the Russians assassinated former KGB agent and Putin critic Alexander Litvinenko, which Litvinenko himself said before he died of radiation poisoning from a dose of polonium.  The attack on Georgia only escalated Putin’s return to empire-building.

Medvedev wants an end to NATO.  Instead, he wants a new European security pact based on the “inadmissibility of the use of force”, which hardly sounds like a security pact at all.  In fact, in light of Russia’s attack on Georgia, it’s staggeringly hypocritical.  Russian forces invaded Georgia — they didn’t ask the West to pressure Georgia to stop attacking separatists who had attacked them, with Russian backing.  The newly militarized Russia wants Europe to end its century-long partnership with the US and disarm itself, and undoubtedly there are enough fools in western Europe that this proposal will get taken seriously — especially in France and Spain.

They should talk to Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Poland, Ukraine, Georgia, the Czechs, and others in the former Iron Curtain region.  They know and understand Russia better than anyone else in Europe, and they understand the nature of the beast Putin has created again in Moscow.  They have lived for centuries under the threat of Russian oppression as well as the reality of it, and they have no desire to experience the latter again.  Russia wants its empire back, and they want Europe as a doormat once again.


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Goddamnit.

Obama’s answer, I’m sure, will be to “sit down at the table” blah blah blah…

Meanwhile, John McCain is telling us not to fear an Obama presidency. Does anyone believe that he would receive the same respect were the tables turned?

I didn’t think so.

This is the worst possible time for America to be playing patty-cake with a cipher named Obama who wants to be president so badly that he would sell his soul (if he hasn’t already).

hillbillyjim on October 11, 2008 at 11:40 AM

btw, butter didn’t help.

JiangxiDad on October 11, 2008 at 11:25 AM

never put butter on a burn. it holds in the heat…

funky chicken on October 11, 2008 at 11:45 AM

And let the Europeans twist slowly in the wind. The satisfaction will be ultimately be ours as they gasp with their last breath how much they miss us.

Have you read the article? They could step immediately into a Russian-led anti-American alliance. No twisting in the wind necessary.

aengus on October 11, 2008 at 11:46 AM

Putin to Sarkozy in Last Bango In Paris: “Get the butter.”

andycanuck on October 11, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Bush: US will work with partners on credit crisis
By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer
5 minutes ago

WASHINGTON – President Bush met with foreign financial officials Saturday and pledged a global response to the credit crisis that will lead toward a “path of stability and long-term growth.”

Bush announced no new strategies to attack the economic woes circling the globe, stressing instead, “We will do what it takes to resolve the crisis and the world’s economy will emerge stronger as a result.”

The president spoke in the Rose Garden outside the White House, joined there in a show of solidarity not long after daybreak by finance officials from the G-7 — Japan, Germany, Britain, France, Italy and Canada, in addition to the United States. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice also attended.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown

Sorry, forgot the link earlier.

funky chicken on October 11, 2008 at 11:51 AM

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/JH19Ag04.html

Quite insightful.

hamburgler on October 11, 2008 at 10:35 AM

I took some Russian history in college and I too have been puzzeled by Ukraine’s insistence that it is independent from Russia…

But the fact is, this is a new day. Ukraine does want to be free and independent. American culture maybe not be as ancient as Russian culture but it is just as powerfully felt. DEMOCRACY–CAPITALISM–FREEDOM that is the legacy of American culture.

Ukraine wants to be separate and free from Russia, we would have to throw aside our deeply held beliefs to do as this author suggests and use Ukraine as a barganing chip to get Russia’s help against Iran et. al. A democratic Ukraine is more likely to be our friend long term than the fickle Russian totalitarians.

Idealism, not cynisism is what makes us tick. Hopefully, Obama has absorbed that much of American culture that he won’t willy nilly start stabbing our friends in the back.

If Russia wants to preserve it’s culture and it’s people, Russia it needs to offer Ukraine more. The demographics are grim for them but the answer can’t be to force people to be Russian no matter their ethnic past. Ideology trumps ethnicity. Isn’t that the American ideal?

Throughout it’s past Russia has always suffered from extremely poor government, under the Tzars it was the same. Always totalitarian, always.

If Ukraine sees a better way… it would simply be immoral and unAmerican to force it back to Russia.

petunia on October 11, 2008 at 11:52 AM

If Russia wants to preserve it’s culture and it’s people, Russia it needs to offer Ukraine more.

Well they’ve recently been trying to woo the Ukrainians by helping them to recover their vessels that had been hijacked by Somali pirates.

aengus on October 11, 2008 at 11:58 AM

Idealism, not cynisism is what makes us tick. Hopefully, Obama has absorbed that much of American culture that he won’t willy nilly start stabbing our friends in the back.

hahahahahahah Good one! hahahahhahah

You were joking, right?

funky chicken on October 11, 2008 at 12:02 PM

Historically, Kiev is the ancient captial of the Rus. Moscow became captial under the mongol yoke. Totalitarianism started in Moscow. In my opinion if the Russians want to preserve their culture they should join with the Ukranians and dissolve Moscow’s dominance and once again become truly Rus with the capital in Kiev.

But that’s likely…

petunia on October 11, 2008 at 12:04 PM

You were joking, right?

funky chicken on October 11, 2008 at 12:02 PM

Actually, praying very hard funky chicken.

petunia on October 11, 2008 at 12:05 PM

Its the behavior of Russia itself, that is what drives its former Republics and Eastern bloc countries to seek so much independence from Russia.

firepilot on October 11, 2008 at 12:07 PM

btw, butter didn’t help.

JiangxiDad on October 11, 2008 at 11:25 AM
never put butter on a burn. it holds in the heat…

funky chicken on October 11, 2008 at 11:45 AM

Correct funky chicken. JD, it won’t help this time but in the future when you have a nminor to moderate burn with no open wound, put the burned area under cold water immediately to cool it down as quickly as possible. This minimizes the tissue damage. Personally, I apply Desitin (zinc based diaper rash ointment) to the skin to then help the healing. It works well but is messy so you may have to use a bandage for a while.

maxine on October 11, 2008 at 12:11 PM

nminor=minor

maxine on October 11, 2008 at 12:12 PM

never put butter on a burn. it holds in the heat…

Water is the only thing for a burn. Hold it under a tap for 5-10 minutes.

aengus on October 11, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Its the behavior of Russia itself, that is what drives its former Republics and Eastern bloc countries to seek so much independence from Russia.

firepilot on October 11, 2008 at 12:07 PM

Yes, and Kiev has found a way to break with the horrors of the past and Moscow hasn’t. It is almost a battle between the two capitals–the two Russias.

But if history is a guide. Moscow will win… Russia has been on the verge of democracy before but always slides back into totalitaianism…

petunia on October 11, 2008 at 12:16 PM

Water is the only thing for a burn. Hold it under a tap for 5-10 minutes.

aengus on October 11, 2008 at 12:14 PM

That is right. cool, but not too cold water should be immediatly poured on burn.

It will stop hurting when the pain goes away.

TheSitRep on October 11, 2008 at 12:22 PM

It will stop hurting when the pain goes away.

TheSitRep on October 11, 2008 at 12:22 PM

Eh?

OldEnglish on October 11, 2008 at 12:32 PM

The UK believes that the Russians assassinated former KGB agent and Putin critic Alexander Litvinenko, which Litvinenko himself said before he died of radiation poisoning from a dose of polonium.

Now, I’m not sure that I disagreed with Russia on this. Litvinenko had, oddly, become a muslim and was given a muslim burial – which everyone chose to ignore as if it there was no meaning to the weirdness. I have no idea what the heck was going on, but something was so fishy about the Litvinenko situation, on Litvinenko’s side, and I have yet to understand why anyone in the West tried to defend him.

As to the rest, Russian society has always been the way it is and has always preferred leaders like Putin. No big surprise there.

progressoverpeace on October 11, 2008 at 12:34 PM

It comes down to Putin and Medvedev are no friends to U.S. and are doing everything they can to turn other nations against us. They can’t be trusted.

by the way- all these macho pictures of Putin in the media lately, I think he is a closet homosexual.

la.rt.wngr on October 11, 2008 at 12:56 PM

It will be ok….

When the Obamamessiah ascends into the clouds and becomes the messiah of the world he will fart glitter which will turn into rainbows and OMG PONIEZ! and the whole world will then hold hands, hug and sing Kumbayah and then everyone will love America again.

Nahanni on October 11, 2008 at 1:30 PM

bump?

funky chicken on October 11, 2008 at 1:39 PM

It will stop hurting when the pain goes away.

TheSitRep on October 11, 2008 at 12:22 PM

COOL! Yogi Berra is blogging on HA. :)

Sapwolf on October 11, 2008 at 3:08 PM

The way things in the world are shaping up at the moment (Financially, Politically, and Socially) it appears to me that we are standing at a major fork in the road of global geopolitics and what direction the world takes will literally be determined by who is elected President in November.

Dreadnought223 on October 11, 2008 at 3:45 PM

Don’t worry guys once Obama is voted in he will personally go meet with Putin to announce his being the first to join the anti-American alliance. He will undoubtedly use the genius of unilateral disarmament to “encourage” “reassure” Russia and other enemies to follow suite. Ending of BMD and re-investment in world poverty and the peace core.

After all once we are all socialist republics we wont have anything to fight about and will all get along anyway right? Utopia is here happy happy glad glad happy happy glad glad hap…………

C-Low on October 11, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Nahanni on October 11, 2008 at 1:30 PM

C-Low on October 11, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Whatever you two are on, you’ve got to know that it’s frying your brains! :)

OldEnglish on October 11, 2008 at 6:00 PM

Dmitry Medvedev arrived in the French spa town of Evian on Wednesday determined to woo his fellow leaders into creating an anti-US front. …

Sorry if someone else said this but, as said in the 90s movie Reality Bites: Evian spelled backwards is “naive.”

silverfox on October 11, 2008 at 6:02 PM

by the way- all these macho pictures of Putin in the media lately, I think he is a closet homosexual.

la.rt.wngr on October 11, 2008 at 12:56 PM

Actually, I believe that the Russian people are masochists.

hillbillyjim on October 11, 2008 at 6:09 PM

Actually, I believe that the Russian people are masochists.

hillbillyjim on October 11, 2008 at 6:09 PM

Actually, I believe they are weakling sheep.

Entelechy on October 11, 2008 at 11:53 PM

Sounds to me like Europe should drop out of NATO and join with Russia in a new pact called ERTO, European Russian Treaty Alliance. This would save us a lot of money, since Europe would no longer have to defend against Russia, it could be the new Ukraine.

They could dump the EU and merge with Russia. Call the new union BUNION, Bloated Union of Nations In Over their Noggins

Or be totally honest and call the union SHEEPO

Their great leader would be Putin, or Puto for short

entagor on October 12, 2008 at 3:05 AM

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