Report: McCain, Palin at odds over how hard to hit Obama
posted at 6:13 pm on October 11, 2008 by Allahpundit
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It’s too thinly sourced to be taken very seriously, but since our readership revels in the idea of the ‘Cuda being the scrapper to McCain’s squish, I figured you’d dig it.
The bit about Mark Salter does strike me as plausible.
With his electoral prospects fading by the day, Senator John McCain has fallen out with his vice-presidential running mate about the direction of his White House campaign…
Mark Salter, McCain’s long-serving chief of staff, is understood to have told campaign insiders that he would prefer his boss, a former Vietnam prisoner of war, to suffer an “honourable defeat” rather than conduct a campaign that would be out of character – and likely to lose him the election.
Palin, 44, has led the character attacks on Obama in the belief that McCain may be throwing away the election and her chance of becoming vice-president. Her supporters think that if the Republican ticket loses on November 4, she should run for president in 2012…
A McCain official confirmed that there was dissension in the campaign. “There is always going to be a debate about the costs and benefits of any strategy,” he said.
“After November 4, the feelings of individuals will come to light. It is only natural and will be expected.”…
A spokesman for McCain denied he and Palin had fallen out over her aggressive attacks. “Vice-presidential candidates are typically the tip of the spear and further out in front than the candidate for president. This is pretty standard fare,” he said.
Quoth an unnamed Republican consultant: “Sarah Palin is no fool. She sees the same thing [i.e. a likely defeat] and wants to salvage what she can. She is positioning herself for the future. Her best days could be in front of her. She wants to look as though she was the fighter, the person with the spunk who was out there taking it to the Democrats.” Any reason to believe that she and McCain really are at loggerheads? Well, (a) as the Times reminds us, she’s publicly questioned the campaign’s strategy in pulling out of Michigan as well as McCain’s decision not to go after Obama on Wright, (b) while Maverick’s begun inching away from the brass knuckles approach, she’s still telling people how eager the base is to see them take the gloves off, and (c) she’s famous in Alaska for not deferring to her political patrons when she thinks there’s something to be gained from opposing them. She’s built her career on it. If she wants to go out there and take it to Obama, there’s not much McCain can do except scream at her on the phone and hope she listens.
Exit question one: Is McCain’s attempt at calming the crowd yesterday the first inkling of the Salter “strategy” being put into effect? It’s worth noting that Palin herself eased off the Ayers stuff, but only in order to hammer Obama with one of the most red-meat social con speeches I’ve ever read. Exit question two: If they do lose, just how bad will the fingerpointing within the campaign be? I have visions of anonymous quotes starting to appear in the NYT circa mid-November about Palin’s Couric interview and McCain not being “tough enough”…
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For all you guys who are so tired, a bedtime story called
“The Land of Acorns & No More White Guilt”
It is meant to help you laugh your asses off after a hell of a stressful week. ENJOY. SWEET DREAMS!
Once upon a time there lived a man who befriended & worked with a terrorist before he stole his party’s nomination for prez-o-dent. His OWN HAND-PICKED running mate had recently referred to him as “clean and articulate” BUT “NOWHERE NEAR READY TO BE PRESIDENT”.
The illegitimate candidate was married to an angry smart woman WHO HAD NEVER BEEN PROUD OF HER COUNTRY. One day the two of this couple, Bari-o & his angry smart wife, Ms. Shell, were walking in the forest near Chappaqua, NY. They were gathering acorns and busily planning their takeover of this land of the free & home of the brave.
Being inexperienced in the ways of the forest, they were not paying sufficient attention to the thick forest floor when suddenly, Ms.Shell lost her footing. Bari-o froze, watching helplessly as she continued down the slippery slope toward the valley of the un-free. He tried without success to remember something, anything, from his many years of experience as a community organizer, that might help him in this crisis.
Finally, he remembered something; a phrase his mentor, Bill Layers and his long-standing spiritual advisor Rev. Wrong, had taught him to shout when he could think of nothing else. “Get back here you stupid whiteboy! Don’t you know it’s RAAACIST to run from a black man! Get that scrawny cracker ass of yours over here…” but his voice just trailed off when he realized it was all for naught. His wife was picking up speed and the further away she got, the more he seemed to relax. It had only been a minute or two and already he felt his appetite return after 15, uh, make that 16 years of having a knot in his stomach.
Though confused and panic-stricken (Inexperience will render you useless in a crisis) he thought some more. There must be something he could do. He hurriedly checked his pockets for anything that might stop her descent. Once again that was his community organizer training kicking in which caused him to whip a stack of voter registration cards out of his suit pocket and wave them over his head while chanting, “YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN!”
Once again, his efforts failed to help and his chanting was so loud that it was disturbing the forest dwellers. Suddenly one of them appeared in the distance hollaring, “What the hell is your problem? I am in the middle of something very important and have limited time before my wife catches me- I mean gets home. Now STFU so I can get back to my new “Girls Gone Wild #23″ before the beast returns and shreds my entrails again. You know that really hurts!”
The white haired man appeared to be wrapped in bedclothes, but as he grew closer, Bari-o could see it was the former president in nothing but a WHITE SHEET! Immediately, his community organizer instincts & training kicked in. His face grew purple with fear, which now made it nicely match his lips. “Don’t take another step. I recognize that white thing you’re wearing. You don’t fool me. You REALLY are a RAAAACIST!”
With that, the homeowner, recognized this man. It was Bari-o, the evil one who came in the dark of night and made scarce the votes for his wife, Hillary. Before Bari-o could react, Bill-o heard the Hilldog shrieking from within their home. He froze, but only for a nanosecond. For though he was lacking Bari-o’s community organizer instincts & experience, Bill-o he had what once, long ago in the new land had been called “REAL executive experience” So he was, at once, quick to react.
Bill-o knew instinctively that since he had been grating on his wife’s last nerve of late, that he would pay dearly for her coming home at such an innopportune time. She had spotted his new porn stash; this truly bode not well for him. But, alas, even the threat of being the first former-president/eunuch had not been enough to stave off his many vices. So, with memories of the last time this happened still fresh in his mind, he instinctively & protectively cupped his balls and said quietly, “When that little woman gets a hair up her a$$, my life ain’t worth livin!For he knew too well how much she would delight in roasting and crushing his nuts to munch on while she forced him to watch reruns of The O’reilly Factor and Hannity & Colmes back-to-back.
At once, Bill-o’s years of REAL executive experience allowed instinct to take over in a crisis and he moved like lightening toward Bari-o. As the purple faced man cried out, “HALP ME JON KARY!!”, Bill-o pounced. And before Hillary could finish saying, “Sandy Berger won’t be able to hold your ass out of the fire this time!”, Bill-o had Bari-o hog-tied. Then in a flash, he had ripped Bar-o’s tie from his neck and made a beautiful gift bow which he stuck forthwith in Bari-o’s mouth. For Bill-o knew to well the power of Bari-o’s silk tongue and could not chance letting him work his magic with it.
Hilldog, shocked beyond measure at the sight before her, was herself speechless. This pleased the ex-pres-o-dent verily. A big smile took over his face, it was larger even than the smile he usually got when he thought with his other head, He met her eyes and offered her his “catch” saying, “Here, my love, all day I have been toiling in the forest behind our house (where I could still see the big screen tv) hoping for the chance to slay a dragon to prove my love & loyalty to you. But all I got was this t-shirt that says, ‘I’m with LOSER’ and this strange purple frog.”
“He claims his given name is Bari-o, but it cannot be proven thus. Most assurredly, he is the same purple faced frog who deprives thy subjects of their constitutional rights to cast their own vote and be heard throughout this vast and bountiful land.”
“Behold, his pockets are laden with fraudulent voter registration cards and ALL THE ACORNS in the forest. He is now yours, my love. Do with him whatever will make your heart leap with joy while keeping my man bits from your vice like grip.”
Hilldog was obviously overjoyed, nearly bubbly. For a moment this caused Bill-o to recoil instinctively for he had never see her smile so brightly. Without thinking, he reached gently toward her smile. Suddenly, he flashed back to the many times he had dared people to try to touch her face, and he pulled back his hand just in the nick of time.
But alas, luck had run out for Bari-o, the purple faced vote stealing frog. Even his pitiful tears and girly whimpers would not save him from Hilldog as it had so many times from his angry wife. In a last ditch attempt to save himself he tried one more time to call out, “Ms.Shell!! Help! It’s the Clintoons!!!”
Miraculously, Ms.Shell appeared, dishevelled, muddy, her purple Shirley Temple dress torn to shreds. She scoffed at the sight of this weak-ass community organizer before her and was at once overcome with relief as she realized she was almost rid of him.
You see, for many years she had dreamed of what it would be like to be loved by a REAL MAN. And for several weeks she had found herself unfocused during her and Bari-o’s ritual Saturday night fist bumps. This distressed her verily for she knew she was secretly fantasizing getting jiggy with a frozen stiff First Dude in an igloo of his choice. She had even put his number on speed dial. She realized that just looking at his number on her phone was making her get a warm MSLSD-Chris-Matthews-type-tingle-up-the-leg. In a flight of fancy she dialed his number and offered him her very soul.
From somewhere deep in the forest she heard what sounded like a snow machine. Her heart began to race, thinking Todd was coming for her. But she was snapped back to reality by his deep sexy voice on the phone. She couldn’t catch much of what he was saying for his voice thundered loudly, shaking the ground and echoing from all directions at once. He did not sound pleased; that much she knew. But the last sentence rang through the forest, crisp and clear like an Alaskan summer day for every village to hear, “I’d rather be made to give Al Sharpton a Brazillian bikini-wax than be within a mile of your snorey & stanky self!”
At the mention of his name, Al Not-Too-Sharp-ton appeared out of nowhere, as is his wont. His eyes were drawn toward the spectacle of what appeared to be a damsel-in-distress or as he and Rev. Jack’s son used to call them, “food & rent”. He immediately ran toward her calling out in his best “can’t-we-all-just-get along voice, “Hey Tawana Brawley, is that really you?” Ms.Shell, though momentarily stunned by his gross mistake was able to send a shock wave through his body that froze that little man in his tracks. He looked at her face and her icy stare. Then WHOA! his gaze locked on to her prominent jaw area. “Damn,” he muttered under his breath, “she could eat a Big Mac through a chain link fence with that overbite!” But Ms.Shell softened as she remembered that she was going to be without Bari-o going forward so she no longer had anyone to kick it with. Though it was against her nature, she reached out to him as pleasantly as possible, given “the givens”.
Al took her hand and they walked off into what she initially thought was the sunset but turned out to be his big-ass yellow caddy. She relaxed a little and allowed herself to lean against him, kitten-like. He seemed not to mind– until the wind changed. Then he pushed her away saying, “Day-um! girl, don’t you be puttin any part of you on me ’til you take five showers and a bubble bath or two! Sheeeeet, now I understand what that poor white reporter we stomped good on our way home today was talking about. YOU smell just like your husband’s plane!”
NightmareOnKStreet on October 12, 2008 at 4:02 AM
-The self avowed socialist senator from Vermont, Bernie Sanders(D), has a voting record to the right of Barack Obama’s.
-Obama voted three times to keep hospitals from providing health care to babies born alive as a result of botched abortions. They must die in order to prevent any encroachments on legal abortion is his reasoning.
-William Ayers is politically aligned with Obama, and helped to launch Obama’s career in his living room. William Ayers is no different than Timothy McVeigh. Tim McVeigh was executed, William Ayers is allowed to teach our young.
- Barack Obama believes that increasing taxes on small, medium, and large businesses will improve the economy. He has never run a business, not even a lemonade stand.
-Barack Obama was a lawyer for ACORN and used that position to intimidate legal action against banks to make sure they made sub prime loans. This has led to a complete financial meltdown. And yes, the failure of CDOs are directly related to this. Sound mortgages are to CDOs like sound monetary policy is to fractional reserve banking.
-Barack Obama bought his home with campaign contributions. (Thanks Tony)
-Barack Obama has never…NEVER, admitted that he was wrong about the policies that led to success in Iraq. To this day, he would have had us pull out and allow Baghdad to descend into chaos. Very similar to his outlook on sound mortgages.
-Barack Obama likes to tout that he has a plan for health care, a total and complete lie. He has a plan for yet another government insurance scheme, his plan has absolutely nothing to do with improving the quality, and decreasing the costs of HEALTH CARE.
-Barack Obama has taken different positions on practically every issue from before to after the Democrat primaries. He will do and say anything to get elected.
-Barack Obama and his surrogates have shown consistently, that when challenged in any way that exposes his history, his alliances, and his record, that racism is the reason we are having the discussion. He talks the talk, but he can’t walk the walk.
-Barack Obama is a complete phony that will not stand up to serious journalistic vetting. Objectivity in the mainstream media does not exist. They have taken a role that is beyond bias, beyond agenda, but is better described as unlimited, unseen, HUGE money, fraudulent campaign contributors.
If David Brooks, Mike McConnell and Mark Salter think that it’s dishonorable and anti-intellectual to bring these facts to the attention of the country during a Presidential campaign, then why do they think that all the slander that is being thrown at Sarah Palin isn’t?
Saltysam on October 12, 2008 at 5:14 AM
Salter = no testicular fortitude
“Defeat” is the wrong word.
SURRENDER is what Salter is advising.
THERE IS NO HONOR IN SURRENDER.
Even the notion that McCain is doing this to “salvage his leverage in the Senate” is a joke - he would be one of the first to be ejected.
McCain must hit hard with ACORN, Ayers and more…each and every day until the election.
Lockstein13 on October 12, 2008 at 5:53 AM
McCain could absolutely destroy Obama’s chances of getting elected . . . if he really wants to. In the last debate, McCain was unable or unwilling to convey to the American people what is very clear and easy to explain: ACORN, with Obama’s active support, pressured banks to lower their lending standards to provide loans to people who couldn’t afford them, and Obama’s fellow Democrats blocked all efforts to mitigate the problem before it became a disaster. In the next debate, McCain should ask who is responsible for this economic disaster and then turn and point directly at Obama. McCain can only do this during the debate because that is the only time he will be able to get past the MSM censors.
And while he’s at it, he will have the opportunity to demonstrate that the Obama/Ayers association isn’t about character assassination. McCain again should ask who is responsible for helping Ayers to radicalize children and institute ineffective educational programs in China. And again, he should point directly toward Obama.
This would force the MSM to really address the problems. No doubt there are some in the MSM who would like to report the truth but can’t. McCain’s statements could provide support . . . if he really wants to do that. I’m not sure that he does because I’m not sure he’s a Republican at heart.
under on October 12, 2008 at 6:11 AM
Woops! Correction on my last. Second paragraph should read “Chicago” vice “China”. Not sure where in my mind that came from.
under on October 12, 2008 at 6:13 AM
Perhaps McCain could use the “New Party” SOCIALIST theme…?
http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-file-36-how-socialist-was-obamas.html
http://thebigfeed.blogspot.com/2008/10/look-what-car-dragged-in-obama-pictured.html
Lockstein13 on October 12, 2008 at 6:25 AM
Sen. McCain, do not put your honor ahead of that of the Nation’s.
Ever.
That will lose you more than just an election.
ajacksonian on October 12, 2008 at 6:49 AM
Although I wish it wasn’t so, it looks like the whiny, hedonistic fools in this country have sold their very souls for an uptick in their portfolios. The current social and economic conditions are similar to those that produced Castro, Chavez, Mussolini, Hitler, Lenin, Mao and others of similar ilk. When the people finally realize what they have done it will be tool late. Many brave citizens have fought and died to secure this Republic and now weak, self-indulgent people of little character, questionable morals and no courage are giving it away.
This is a very sad time for this once great nation.
rplat on October 12, 2008 at 7:30 AM
Allahpundit scans the horizon and decides that there is not enough contempt being expressed at the McCain campaign - and FAR too few reports of “bickering” between McCain and Palin.
So - what does he do?
He regurgitates a practically NON-SOURCED, thinly veiled LIE as a fact - scotching ANY potential Nutroots-generated RUMOR of conflict in the McCain campaign.
Reeally, reeally helpful. Allahpundit: He’s as helpful as leprosy.
grtflmark on October 11, 2008 at 10:54 PM
I wonder “who’s” decision it is to keep posting bullshit polls under the “headlines” section, that show Bamby with large national leads, while ignoring the internals which consistently show Democrats being heavily over sampled.
Oh, how I miss the days of Captains Quarters!
Cup half empty during a time when leaders need to pull the half empties with them as they reach safe grounds.
To all you who stayed up way to late last on this thread; bravo, made for some interesting reading this morning as I enjoy my hot coffee.
BTW: Here in western Montana, it has been snowing for the past (3) days, with approximately 18″ on the ground and another 12″ coming today. That damn global warming Al Goracle tried to shove down our throats is really causing problems here in my part of the country!
Keemo on October 12, 2008 at 7:55 AM
Sarah Baxter, Times Online
Worth researching Baxter’s tilt in overall presentations this past year before thinking of her article as anything other than a good spin to sell.
Talented writers make monumental mountains of mole hills every day. Those with an agenda build termite towers of mud to attract anteater audiences into their picnic grounds.
maverick muse on October 12, 2008 at 7:59 AM
Me too.
csdeven on October 12, 2008 at 8:03 AM
I wish I had something profound to say this morning but I don’t. I do not understand why McCain will not do what needs to be done. Compromise and meakness have brought us to where we are now.
JonRoss on October 12, 2008 at 8:07 AM
http://www.powerlineblog.com/
Friends, go to powerline and read the letter written to Congress and signed by McCain and other Republicans back in 2005. McCain should be pounding this point!
Keemo on October 12, 2008 at 8:08 AM
Agreed JonRoss! This is how the MSM works on us so well; pound home the same lies and spin 24/7 in an all out effort to destroy the will & spirit of the opposition. Those scumbags do it very well, and it works very well.
I hate the media, and I’m really frustrated by those on our side who haven’t the will or intellect to combat the obvious.
Keemo on October 12, 2008 at 8:12 AM
Obama as president will never be enough for the white hating militants (like Michelle Obama). Most folks who feel that racism is still pervasive will me mollified by his election because they will see it as a fulfillment of MLK’s “I have a dream”.
Remember, most folks, and this cuts across all colors, want to see life as it really is. They will reject the politics of the white haters just as most people reject black haters (KKK etc).
csdeven on October 12, 2008 at 8:19 AM
“Don’t blame me, I voted for Palin” - There, I fixed it for ya.
SoldiersMom on October 12, 2008 at 8:24 AM
I recall when I was a very young child ;) a comment my mother made. I am sure she heard it from someone else. She said “they warned me if I voted for Goldwater we would have an escalated war in Asia, there would be violence in the streets and our economy would be wrecked. But noooo, I wouldn’t listen and I voted for Goldwater. And sure enough….. “
JonRoss on October 12, 2008 at 8:33 AM
Maybe, but with the most left wing, liberal people in the history of our nation commanding both the administrative and legislative branches of the government, “the politics of white haters” will simply become the politics of the liberal masses. The justifications will change but the affect will be the same. The left is vile, insidious and relentless . . . nothing will change their aggressive goal of creating a permanent Marxist/socialist state.
Unfortunately, we’re in for some very tough times.
rplat on October 12, 2008 at 8:34 AM
Republicans suck.
We gained both houses of Congress for, like, a term, then give it back. We can’t gin up the PR to beat Democrat congressional leaders who have garnered a single-digit approval rating from the American people. We can’t beat Obama, the very junior senator with socialist, anti-American friends and associates. We nominate a guy who brags about working with Democrats. WTF…
Oh, and we continue to support the MSM that PR’s Dem talking points with our traffic.
Republicans are not serious. If Republicans were serious, random angry comments thrown out at town halls would be replaced by a coherent strategy.
On the Allah pessimeter, I’m a -2 today. We either need to get serious or abandon the Repubs as an ineffective bad brand and start over.
beatcanvas on October 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM
Yeap. This period of time reminds me of the endgame in Vietnam. The Communists relentless and uncompromising push. Negotiate and then provericate. This is how Pelosi and Obama and Reid and others have manuvered the right. They now smell blood. What is more distressing is that people like my senator, the right royal Bob Corker, as well as my once seemingly convervative congressman, seem to be in a total compromise mode. Nancy ain’t going to throw them any bones after the first week in November. Just freshly made cow chips.
JonRoss on October 12, 2008 at 8:45 AM
McCain needs to make headlines in the final debate. That’s all there is to it. He took the lead in grand style after Palin served up a brilliant speech of red meat and conservatism — it took less than a week for the polls to swing by double digits. McCain is by no means out of the race. All he needs to do is return to what gave him the lead the first time — fierce conservatism.
Ronnie on October 12, 2008 at 8:47 AM
Which they will thank her for.
csdeven on October 12, 2008 at 8:47 AM
Yeap. Perhaps the shouts of “treason” and “socialist” should now be hurled at our Republican representatives. It would seem appropriate now.
JonRoss on October 12, 2008 at 8:48 AM
Yeap. And I would suggest that he hijack the debate. Open up with his own set of rules and topics. He should refuse to discuss anything other than what he wants to discuss. The press will howl, but they are now.
JonRoss on October 12, 2008 at 8:52 AM
There’s a very perfectly good explanation for this. All the Attack Dogs on the Right are within the libertarian movement. All the energy, passion, drive for Rightwingers you will find within the Libertarian Party, Ayn Rand/Objectivists, Reasonoids, Republican Liberty Caucus, and even the Ron Paulists.
Conservatives make horrible attack dogs. They’re far too polite, and they don’t have the cynical hatred for the Left like us libertarians do.
Solution: Invite the libertarian wing to take a more leadership role in the movement, and stop writing us off as “crazy cousins.”
ericdondero on October 12, 2008 at 8:56 AM
What do the internal polls show as the most effective issue?
McCain probably ought to listen to Palin. She’s good at this stuff.
drjohn on October 12, 2008 at 8:57 AM
Yes he should, but as much as I respect and honor John McCain for is courageous and selfless Service to our country, I believe he has become a doodling old compromiser. I’m afraid he will just regurgitate a few dozen” my friends”, “my friends” and allow Obama to walk all over him
rplat on October 12, 2008 at 8:59 AM
I hear ya Beat. As some pre-coffee commenting here, in the beginning (pre-Palin) of this whole mess my thoughts were “this is the best our country can provide for candidates?” referring to both sides. It might have been better for Hillary to have won the dem nom and repubs would be double digit leading in the polls by now. Still if it we’rent for Palin popping out of the woodwork, I’d say we didnt have ANY candidates worth voting for. There also no strong independnaant this time to ward off some of the Dem votes. I hate to say it but for once in a long while the repubs need to get forceful and market what we’ve got left of ourselves and show some true direction. Neither side right now is showing that IMHO, and this brings up a common word used a lot this week, “uncertainty”. This coming week can be a turning point and I sure hope it is.
johnnyU on October 12, 2008 at 9:09 AM
Its’ McCains duty to defend the Republicans who are taking a beating on the economy because the Dems have blamed them and the party leader has been silent preferring to pander to the Dem voters rather than defend his party from false charges.
He needs to “name names, hold them accountable, make them famous, fight, fight, fight!”
Start by calling for Pelosi and Reid to step down for gross partisanship in the face of a national crisis, for bashing Republicans for trying to straigten out the mess the dems have created.
Call for investigations and resignations of Frank, Dodd for gross negigence re: Fannie and Freddie!
Tie 0Bama to the mess by his being the second largest money taker from Fannie and Freddie and highering the execs from there to help run his camapign. For his ties with ACORN who also pushed these bogus loans.
Will he do his duty and grab the spotlight for himself or prefer to pander to his “Friends” across the isle while letting the House and Senate Repubs and Sarah twist in the wind like a pinata ripe for the Dems bashing?
The world and voters are watching Duty? Honor? Country First?
Or pander first?
dhunter on October 12, 2008 at 9:10 AM
How hard should we HIT Obama.
As HARD as we can,, right between the EYE’s!!
GForce on October 12, 2008 at 9:21 AM
This is why we should not consider Senators (R) as viable candidates. They are used to trying to get along with the enemy - not defeat them! Remember this next time around, PLEASE!
Sporty1946 on October 12, 2008 at 9:26 AM
Perhaps scaring the bejesus out of the country with the potential of a Obama/Pelosi/Reid government would be useful.
drjohn on October 12, 2008 at 9:27 AM
American Navy maneuvers the Black Sea to bring humanitarian aid to Georgians.
Russian Navy maneuvers the Pacific, Caribbean, Atlantic, and Mediterranean to demonstrate/deliver nuclear arms to Cuba, Venezuela and Libya.
Russian missiles fired at the equatorial Pacific rim plate tectonics– Testing what exactly?
maverick muse on October 12, 2008 at 9:27 AM
McCain’s next debate is crucial. No matter what the topic is he has to make it a ‘matter of judgment’. Then talk about Barry’s poor judgment with Ayres, with Acorn, with the New Party, with the surge, with taxation during an economic crisis, etc.
eaglewingz08 on October 12, 2008 at 9:31 AM
Why are we waiting for an invitation? It’ll never come. Polite company never brings a pitbull to a social gathering. They leave it outside.
It’s not about freedom for Republicans, but it sure as hell ought to be. Have you seen the study of Obama’s planned effect on marginal tax rates? We’re about to enter America’s Redistributionist Era. You could argue that’s happening now, but you ain’t seen nothing yet.
This is not about freedom for Republicans, except for the crazy guy who yells that he’s really mad. The media tries to paint Republicans as mad and Republicans backpedal it and try to shut him up. Heck no. We ought to walk up to the media and let them know why we’re really mad. Crash the damn party. Social gathering my ass. “Leaders” who try to put the pitbull back outside need to be bitten. Hard. Twice.
Ronnie said:
That might happen if McCain were, you know, a fierce conservative. But he’s not. Never has been.
beatcanvas on October 12, 2008 at 9:32 AM
As a kid I fought constantly with my brothers, but if someone outside the family did something to any of us, it galvanized us, and we took care of the attacker.
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“God Damn America” resonates with 90% of America.
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USE IT!
marklmail on October 12, 2008 at 9:33 AM
Ya know,, most people can understand what is going on in the nation,, if McCain and enough Republicans would get out there and start telling them the truth!
They can understand how Democrats in government caused this financial mess, they are able to understand how lowering taxes and strengthening free markets can help get us through this, they can understand how socialism is evil,,,,
all of this,,IF REPUBLICANS BEGIN SPEAKING CLEARLY AND SIMPLY WITH AUTHORITY ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE DEMOCRAT PARTY!!!
That man that stood up at the McCain rally and got mad about the socialists taking over!! He may not have had a Harvard degree,, he may not have had a big title behind his name,,, but the guy seemed to have a clear understanding of a real solid truth,, he had a great foundation,,SOCIALISM IS EVIL AND SOCIALISTS ARE TAKING OVER IN WASHINGTON! He displayed more intelligence than a whole lot of other Republicans and Harvard elites in those simple words! He could see more clearly into the events that were unfolding in America than John McCain could!!
I have a prediction,,, if McCain fails to really confront Obama with the truth in this next debate and if McCain then goes on to lose the election,,, he will go down into history as the next Neville Chamberlain! If Obama gets elected and proceeds to be exposed as the Marxist thug he really is,,,the bipartisan McCain who stubbornly refused to warn the nation,, who called Obama just “a good family man”,, I really think America will not look back at McCain with pleasant memories. I lack the words,,, lets just say,, I really think McCain will end up being despised. He will be viewed as the man who could have saved America,,,, but didn’t! Once our nation is fully reeling from the effects of a Marxist Obama Presidency, when the reality of the Chicago community organizer turned President/messiah comes crashing into the lives of middle America,, when the real Obama Presidency is standing and screaming in every American’s face with no where to run,,,, the memory of McCain sternly correcting supporters at rallies who dared to express the fear of a future Obama Presidency,, by declaring great respect for the community organizer,, and saying the messiah is a “good family man,” well,,, like I said,,, the name Neville Chamberlain. Says it all.
JellyToast on October 12, 2008 at 9:33 AM
marklmail on October 12, 2008 at 9:33 AM
I have (3) older brothers; I’m the baby of the family. Growing up, we fought like pit bulls amongst ourselves, but when one of us was attacked or threatened from an outsider, we came together as brothers and became a fierce force to reckon with.
You’re message I believe will resonate with Americans come November 4th; country first!
Keemo on October 12, 2008 at 9:38 AM
The Herald, Matt Garfield reporting
Obama is hoodwinking and bamboozling RACISM as his winning lottery ticket; always has and always will play RACISM against America to get elected.
maverick muse on October 12, 2008 at 9:38 AM
I think the whole problem lies in his silly slogan: “Country First.” Nothing could be more wrong-headed.
The right slogan: “Freedom First.” But that would never occur to the guy who wrote McCain-Feingold.
beatcanvas on October 12, 2008 at 9:41 AM
Obama’s Pastor said “God Damn America”.
Obama’s Pastor said White people created the AIDS virus to kill black people.
Obama’s Pastor called our country “The U.S. of KKKA”.
Obama’s Pastor was his friend and confidant for 20 yrs.
WHY IS THIS NOT AN ISSUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
marklmail on October 12, 2008 at 9:50 AM
Have you considered your true calling as a pundit? You could make .. tens of dollars with your superior intellect.
wise_man on October 12, 2008 at 9:53 AM
WHY IS THIS NOT AN ISSUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
marklmail on October 12, 2008 at 9:50 AM
Watch Hannity’s American tonight; it is an issue.
Keemo on October 12, 2008 at 9:54 AM
What does Blogging The Qur’an say of Michael Gonya’s presentation?
From this morning’s American Thinker:
Mr. Gonyea, the freelance marketing writer, has certainly produced a piece of pro religion of peace majority peaceful compliant humble Muslim population who duck and are silent–as though ANY Muslim will follow ANY Pope’s lead. That’s rich, and an awful lot to lay in Benedict’s lap considering that it’s the Muslims producing this conference to convene on our November election day.
maverick muse on October 12, 2008 at 9:55 AM
Yes,
Kinda’ makes one wonder why Ed threw in with these jackasses in the first place,
doesn’t it.
franksalterego on October 12, 2008 at 10:01 AM
‘BH Chihuahua’ Wins Box Office Dogfight; ‘Quarantine’ Takes #2; DiCaprio/Crowe’s Costly ‘Body Of Lies’ Needs A Body Bag
We (some of us) have been asking for Hollywood Conservatives (if any existed) to come forward and produce quality films that are void of the anti-American message that has been shoved down our throats by the likes of Spielberg for the past 20 years.
American Carol is that movie, hopefully the beginning of the end for the Liberal controlled Hollywood elites. For those of you who have hoped for a change in Hollywood, if you haven’t already seen this movie, it’s time you did.
Keemo on October 12, 2008 at 10:05 AM
franksalterego on October 12, 2008 at 10:01 AM
Who knows where the path will lead Ed. Some real talent there, and some bigger fish to fry in the future I would expect.
Keemo on October 12, 2008 at 10:09 AM
“Barack Obama would be our first socialist President”
Now that’s got a ring to it.
drjohn on October 12, 2008 at 10:14 AM
They aren’t character attacks…they are the truth.
I love how obama is fighting back against the smears.
tomas on October 12, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Well,
if this is a stepping stone on that path, it’s a step backward.
I mean, after all, it must get annoying to step around all the little piles, they leave around.
franksalterego on October 12, 2008 at 10:29 AM
McCain twisted Mitt Romney record and beat over the head with it. Where was all this honor then?
Kjeil on October 12, 2008 at 10:34 AM
Agreed. And the way they’ve been mishandling the campaign since Palin climbed aboard is very telling. Too much second-guessing and playing it “fair” or “safe” as not to offend folks and not enough knockout punches backed up with flat-out facts about his opponent and his record (or lackthereof) and his judgement and associations.
eanax on October 12, 2008 at 10:34 AM
IMO McCain has lost this election, and there is very little he can do to win it.
The only chance he really has is for either Obama to really mess up, or for the MSM to finally wake up and do their job without bias.
The real problem is that Conservatives tend to read a bit deeper than the headlines, and try to get the facts. When you do that, you see that McCain is NOT a conservative. He continues to put forth big government solutions (cap and trade, this socialistic bailout), and still supports amnesty. Thus his conservative support is weak.
He will NOT get the Liberal vote, as he is running as a Republican, and thus carries the Bush baggage (whether justified or not).
So he is running to the middle… as is Barry. Problem here is that the MSM is defining the narrative… and while they cover every potential mistake by McCain’s camp, they give Barry a pass on real problems…. so the middle, who are NOT as invested or knowledgable about issues, as being swayed by the information filter the MSM has created…
Does not matter how angry McCain gets… MSM will create the narrative they want anyway.
Romeo13 on October 12, 2008 at 10:46 AM
It’s pitifully clear,
the blogger, and most of the commenters, don’t have a clue, how the political game is played.
How old are you people?
franksalterego on October 12, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Bill Kristol just said that McCain’s campaign committed malpractic for the way it’s campaigning. For example, he said, it had Rick Davis appear rather than, say, Palin or McCain or both.
To get more discouraged, read the Powerline headline, which provides a copy of the letter McCain and others sent to Senate leadership regarding regulation of Fannie-Freddie. I have no idea why McCain didn’t have this in ads and in people’s hands three weeks ago. I would, however, like to know how their proposed regulation got killed in the Senate–that is, the real inside story.
BuckeyeSam on October 12, 2008 at 10:50 AM
franksalterego on October 12, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Now you’re getting personal, which makes me question your motive. Why don’t you quit with the personal jabs (nobody forced you to visit this site) and explain to us just exactly how the political game is played.
That might make for good conversation.
For the record frank, I’m 55 and have been politically active since I turned 25. Been around the block a few times with a few elections; have also been out there working hard with Republican grassroots efforts for the past 25 years or so.
Keemo on October 12, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Story I’ve heard was that they knew they could not get 60 votes to get closure… and didn’t fight it out as the head of the committee did not want to appear like he “lost” on the issue… so he basicly just gave up.
Romeo13 on October 12, 2008 at 10:58 AM
/puts up the
Don’t Feed the Trolls
sign
Romeo13 on October 12, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Care to present your qualifications as THE expert on campaigning? Really, outrageous allegations demand support.
csdeven on October 12, 2008 at 10:59 AM
you people?
racist.
right4life on October 12, 2008 at 11:13 AM
I will be holding my nose and voting for McCain on 11/4 because I love my country. I pray that is the right choice because I know that McCain is not the best candidate; he is merely the better candidate.
Way back when McCain clinched the nomination, and the abomination of the McCain-Kennedy Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill was fresher in the minds of outraged conservatives, there was a small but vocal chorus of people on this blog and elsewhere who proclaimed that we would be better off voting for Obama just to teach the rest of the GOP a lesson. I was shocked that self-proclaimed conservatives would be willing to plunge their country into such a nightmare just to avenge the GOP’s offensive disregard for their conservative base.
But over these last few weeks I have been increasingly troubled by that tiny little voice in my head that’s telling me that a McCain presidency will destroy the conservative brand forever. After 8 years of the pseudo-conservative Bush, and another 4 of pseudo-conservative McCain, the country will swing overwhelmingly to the Democrats in order to rid themselves of what they perceive to be “conservative” malfeasance.
As a result, beginning in 2012 we will suffer perhaps 16 years of extreme leftist governance with the likes of Obama and/or Clinton from which this country may never recover.
Palin, Jindal, DeMint, and all the other true conservatives will be swept into the dustbin of history.
On the other hand, if Obama wins, my guess is that by the time the 2010 mid-term elections roll around, the country will be so fed up with his socialist redistribution of wealth, America-bashing, and diminished national security that true conservatives will reap the rewards of markedly increased numbers in the House and Senate, and quite possibly a majority in both. This scenario could set the stage for a landslide for a real conservative in the 2012 Presidential.
In the first scenario (a McCain win) the GOP will only hold onto the presidency for 4 years and the chances are fairly decent that no one on the SCOTUS will die in that short period of time. However, it is nearly certain that one or more will die during the 16 years of leftist rule that will surely follow McCain’s tenure.
In the second scenario, we only have to hope and pray that members of the SCOTUS keep kickin’ for about two years. By then (the midterms) I think there will be enough opposition in Congress to block any judicial activists that would be nominated.
In other words, I think the only way we’re going to see Sarah Palin as POTUS is if McCain loses.
I can’t believe I wrote this. Can I get a little help here?
IrishEi on October 12, 2008 at 11:15 AM
Don’t get me wrong,
My bitch isn’t aimed at you.
franksalterego on October 12, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Apparently, my comments are being filtered.
So, I’ll repost
Keemo,
My comments wern’t aimed at you…Just so, there’s no misunderstanding.
franksalterego on October 12, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Sadly, you may be right.
The cognitive disconnect the American electorate is defined by one very glaring error.
The Repbulican Party is thought of as Conservative.
It isn’t, and hasn’t been for many years. It has a few conservative sayings, but the core belief in keeping the Constitutional imperative of LIMITED Federal Government is no longer practiced by the Power Hungry Repubs in Washington.
Picking McCain as the Repub nominee only cements my belief that the Conservatives have no voice in this election cycle… On big things, McCain has never seen a Federal Power Grab he did not like. He tries to speak and act like a Conservative, but his actions and record undercut his rhetoric.
Face it, us Conservatives just don’t have a Dog in this hunt…
Romeo13 on October 12, 2008 at 11:28 AM
And, I’M the troll.
HAHHAHAHHAHHAHHA
franksalterego on October 12, 2008 at 11:32 AM
“My friends, here is the letter I co-signed in 2006 in which I warned about the dangers of a collapse of the financial sector.
I signed it.
I spoke out about it.
Senator Obama said nothing and did nothing.
Oh sure, he says he wrote a letter. Mr. Obama is US Senator. He’s supposed to take action! He should have written legislation, not a letter!
My friends, we cannot afford more of this. America needs a President who will act, not one who claims to write letters.”
drjohn on October 12, 2008 at 11:34 AM
IrishEi and Romeo13,
Rock: the need for a revival of true conservatism
Hard place: unstoppable Obama/Liberal agenda for at least two years
The question comes down to this, for me: can we reverse the government programs implemented by BO and company if McCain doesn’t get in? We haven’t turned back Social Security, but we did enact welfare reform and we cut taxes in the last 15 years. So maybe… (can we impeach the justices they put into place?)
I think the damage McCain does as the chief of Republican brand management is worse because it leaves no alternative for fed-up voters. Both the Dems and the Repubs would suck, in the public’s mind.
So I lean toward agreement. We have no pitbull in charge. Palin playing second banana to McGetAlong doesn’t count.
beatcanvas on October 12, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Thank you. I’ll go with that for now. Maybe I’m wrong, but the head of that committee, Shelby, is the same guy running around DC during the bailout discussions decrying Paulson’s plan. So, now he has principles? What a toad?
In the end, McCain was a preclusion candidate. I was hoping for a caretaker presidency, with Obama purged from the national political scene. More recently, I had hoped with McCain that he’d air out Congress, maybe not. And Obama surely won’t. Frank and Dodd are saved.
BuckeyeSam on October 12, 2008 at 11:39 AM
You make a good argument. Certainly one that might serve as a consolation after what right now looks like an inevitable McCain loss.
I have been going back an forth between this and the argument that a McCain loss will bury Palin’s political career, because being out of the public eye will make it very hard for her to recover from the horrendous hatchet job the MSM has done on her.
I don’t agree with your 2 year outlook. I think it will take 6-8 years for the public to start blaming democrats for the disaster that an Obama presidency with a democrat majority will be for this country. Despite what we, fans of the New Media, would like to believe, the MSM still forms the majority of the public’s perspective, and they are not going to stop making democrat’s talking points their only source of news any time soon.
neuquenguy on October 12, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Thanks? (jk)
Excellent points from both of you, but I was hoping to be dissuaded! Just read Freddoso’s article (from the headlines) and I guess it’s safe to say we’re not alone.
God help us.
IrishEi on October 12, 2008 at 11:49 AM
There, that’s it! Nothing makes an impact on most people unless it affects them personally. The financial meltdown is the closest we’ve come and that’s dangerous enough. McCain doesn’t believe such a danger exists with an Obama presidency.
Sitting down on the truth is like throwing the election to Obama. He’s sick — mired in his own sub-culture.
Time for the ‘Cuda to strike on her own?
Feedie on October 12, 2008 at 11:49 AM
See if this sentence passes the smell test…
“I’m a Conservative, I don’t have a dog in the fight.”
That’s one of those little piles I was talking about.
franksalterego on October 12, 2008 at 11:52 AM
My bitch isn’t aimed at you.
franksalterego on October 12, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Gotcha…. I understand that these are trying times; hell, my parents just lost 1/2 of their retirement and haven’t a clue as to the fact that their “Democrat vote” for the past 60 years is the cause of their retirement going into the sewer.
I simply ask you to keep in mind that we are all going through deep dark emotions right now; try and keep things from becoming personal.
Keemo on October 12, 2008 at 11:55 AM
I disagree here. I think she will suffer more from a McCain win because he will not govern as a conservative. I also think that the MSM and Hollywood elites have not been as successful as they would like us to believe in their attacks against Palin. She is the breath of fresh conservative air that we had hoped for, she is not one of the DC insiders, she is an ordinary American with exceptional political prowess. Everyone but the elitists can relate to her. Without the albatross of McCain around her neck, she will thrive.
Sadly, I think you may be correct here.
IrishEi on October 12, 2008 at 12:02 PM
After McCain loses in November, it is time for the GOP grassroots that was so utterly alienated by McCain and the liberal wing of the party to rise up and throw McCain and his minions out of power. Social conservatives and evangelicals need to take back the party from pathetic moderates like McCain and the time for doing so is NOW so that the right kind of candidates can be fielded in the 2010 elections.
highhopes on October 12, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Sigh, OK, I’ll answer the troll… lets see… since you apparently asked my age…. 49 year old, Retired Navy homeowner, business owner, bachelors in science…
But please continue to snipe with no productive comments to the discussion… its amusing…
And as to the “smell test”? Lets see, Obama is not a Conservative, and McCain is not a Conservative, so… please explain, just how a Conservative would have a “dog in the fight”? My dogs all seem to be sitting on the sideline…
Romeo13 on October 12, 2008 at 12:06 PM
It feels that way, but we cannot afford not to have a dog in the hunt. If we are not moving forward, we are going backwards.
The POTUS race is what it is. We need to extract as much positive outcomes of this situation as we can.
And then, after this fight is done, we need to inventory our learnings. We need to question and evolve our strategies. Do we need to be a lot more involved in party organization and primaries?. Have we married ourselves to the republican party as unconditionaly as african-americans have married themselves to the democratic party (even if they get screwed every time)?. Should we serve notice that we are going to help put into office candidates that champion our principles and kick out of office candidates who don’t, regardless of party?. I don’t know, I thing this is the type of questions we will soon have to ask of or selves.
neuquenguy on October 12, 2008 at 12:08 PM
A McCain commercial I’d like to see:
I’m John McCain, and I approved this message - it’s about my opponent and his relationship to Bill Ayers.
You’ll see a lot newscasts describing Ayers as a 1960s radical; Obama himself has said he was only eight when his friend bombed the Pentagon and bygones should be bygones.
In November of 2006, after helping Obama get his start in politics, after helping Obama get on various boards, Ayers appeared on stage with Hugo Chavez - and publically damned America, damned Americans, and declared his personal commitment to violent revolution and the overthrow of American democracy.
Ayers: isn’t just a mellowed out 1960s radical: he’s a rich kid turned traitor, and a formative influence for Mr. Obama.
Paul Murphy on October 12, 2008 at 12:15 PM
You’ll have to ask Michelle about that. I don’t remember any of the commenters here prior to Morrisey’s arrival saying what we really needed was Ed to bring his shrieking bunch of hyper-partisan Repubican cheerleaders to this forum and start screaming at people that didn’t toe the party line. No respect to you, if you don’t like it here, then no one will miss you when you leave. Even your joke candidate won’t notice. He’s too busy staging a noble defeat.
austinnelly on October 12, 2008 at 12:17 PM
The democrats absolutely love you. Maybe they will send you a fruitcake as payment to you this christmas to thank you for your tireless work on their behalf this political year. Where would they be without people like you engaging in their own ‘operation chaos’ against us.
I hope you are pleased with yourself as much as they are.
wise_man on October 12, 2008 at 12:17 PM
And tens of people will miss you if you leave, austinnelly.
wise_man on October 12, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Just to simplify…
You have party #1, party #2, and party #3.
Party #1 says to party #2, “I need a Dollar…. Will you loan me one?”
Party #2 says to party #1, “Do you have a job…And, how are you going to pay it back?”
Party #1 says, “No, I don’t have a job… But, I’ll pay you back, I promise.”
Party #3 says, “Go ahead, and loan him the Dollar, and if he doesn’t pay you back, I’ll cover it.”
Party #2 gives party #1 a Dollar.
Then party #1 says, “Neener-neener, see ya’ later”
Now, party #1 is one Dollar richer…Party #2 is one Dollar poorer, and party #3 owes party #2 the Dollar.
Multiply by 700 Billion, and explain how “paying what you owe” is Socialism created by John McCain or George Bush.
franksalterego on October 12, 2008 at 12:19 PM
I’d like to see it to, but you never will. The problem with McCain is he identifies more with Obama than his own base. He’s always been that way. Remember the Swift Boat vets? He sided with Kerry. I would have thought McCain of all people would have found John Kerry’s conduct after the war particularly offensive, but he didn’t. He slammed the swift boat vets.
Senator first, then party member. The loyalty problem. And a lot of people don’t trust him because of it. If Obama does win, it’s our own fault for running this clown against him. I didn’t care for Romney much, but I never doubted his desire to win.
austinnelly on October 12, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Just out from the McCain campaign…..
“My friends, this country is in the midst of the largest financial crisis since the great depression. And it is time for the type of leadership that I can provide to get us out of it and back on the right path to growth and prosperity. I have a plan and have recently laid out several parts of my plan to achieve that goal. Now my opponent claims that my plan is a continuation of president Bush’s policies over the last 8 years that he claims are the cause of our current crisis.
Let me make something perfectly clear. I am a republican and am proud of that fact. My opponent thinks that all republicans march in lockstep with the president. This is false. The very basic beliefs of conservatism demands that we take our own path when we feel it is best. I am not going to blame president Bush for all the ills we have experienced under his administration. President Bush has achieved many great accomplishments as well as abject failures. As Americans we must be honest in our assessments of our politicians and their records. He pulled our country together after September 11. During that time there was much confusion as to the way we should live our lives. But president Bush wasn’t confused. He immediately took to the task of focusing our attention on moving forward by encouraging all Americans that the best way to show our resolve was to get on with our lives. He encouraged us to continue to work, go to our parks, to the movies, continue to shop, and visit family and friends. Now my opponent has taken one portion of the presidents speech, taken it out of context and accused president Bush of being irresponsible by encouraging Americans to simply spend money. It is abundantly clear that president Bush was encouraging us to show these terrorists that we will not be defeated by engaging in the freedoms we hold so dear. I fully support the actions of the president during those uncertain times. Senator Obama has done a great disservice to Americans with his remarks.
I have opposed president Bush on many issues. He handled the Iraq war very badly and I opposed his tactics. This is why I proposed the surge strategy and pushed it until it became the strategy that has been shown to have put us on the verge of success in Iraq. I opposed him on campaign finance reform because I believe in putting country before politics.
My fellow Americans, I will not apologize for being a republican because Senator Obama says that the current crisis is the fault of all republicans. In 2003 the Bush administration called for a tightening of the regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. I supported those reforms. But the democrats in congress blocked our attempts and even went so far as to say that there was no evidence of any data that should be of concern. In 2006, myself and 19 other senators called once again for the tightening the regulations for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Again, the democrats in congress refused to listen. As you can see, my friends, it was the republicans who called for more regulation and the democrats that blocked it. I have promised to name those who are responsible for this crisis. Here is an interesting fact. The democrats who opposed action to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were the recipients of the largest contributions to their campaigns. The data shows that between 1989 and 2008 the top two recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac money was senator Chris Dodd and senator Barak Obama. They received $165,000 and $126,000 respectively. But keep in mind that my opponent has been in office for three years. As if that isn’t enough, he has also used two former CEO’s of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as advisers to his campaign. Franklin Raines, who cooked the books to hide his illegal activities left with a $90 million golden parachute. Jim Johnson is the other Obama adviser and he also received a huge golden parachute after leaving Freddie Mac after more accounting errors were discovered.
All of this goes to the judgment of senator Obama and who he chooses to associate with.
In conclusion, I am not going to apologize for being a republican and I am not going to stand still for the lies and misleading statements made by senator Obama and his surrogates.”
csdeven on October 12, 2008 at 12:20 PM
What a liar you are, austinnelly.
wise_man on October 12, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Very nice. Sometimes I wonder if we have two McCains running in this camapign (does he have an evil twin?)
This is the type of thing we need, it seems to me republicans are always a little too late, but maybe not, I am sure they are a lot wiser than me when it comes to political strategy.
neuquenguy on October 12, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Perhpas because the current plan is to get EQUITY in banks in return for Goverment funds? Government will own part of some banks?
Perhaps because the Fed SEIZED Fannie and Freddie, which control hundreds of BILLIONS worth of private assets?
If the government controls the money flow in an economy, you are moving towards Socialism…
Or, is that too difficult to understand?
Romeo13 on October 12, 2008 at 12:32 PM
That’s not what I asked to have explained.
franksalterego on October 12, 2008 at 12:44 PM
You were supposed to call bullshit on that post. We all wish that McCain would say something along those lines.
csdeven on October 12, 2008 at 12:44 PM
csdeven on October 12, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Thanks for posting that clip csdeven… Well stated to I might add. This is the message that needs to come from McCain & Palin. Don’t sit back and allow the Democrats and their bed partners in the media to “shape the news” as has been the case. Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity can’t carry the water by themselves! This is the kind of fight I need to see to get me energized and engaged in this righteous battle.
Keemo on October 12, 2008 at 12:52 PM
It seems to me, that if party #3 can get the assets of party #1, he’s entitled to them… He promised to back party #2… If all he gets, is a portion of the equity, that’s tough… A deal’s a deal.
But, at the end of the day, it wasn’t a deal made by McCain OR Bush… They just inherited the contract.
franksalterego on October 12, 2008 at 1:06 PM
Hope he keeps it up!
JellyToast on October 12, 2008 at 1:33 PM
But, if the Goverment comes in, and buys the debt of party 2 forcibly, which is EXACTLY what is happening… and then gives that same debt, at a substantial discount to Pary 4, breaking the contract…
or, even worse, if the gov keeps the asset for themselves under gov control? Last time I checked we do not call that a Free Market… but gov control bordering on Socialism.
Romeo13 on October 12, 2008 at 1:49 PM
The Fox Sunday Morning crew, Bill Krystol leading the fray, were all having a hang-over loop today. I didn’t notice Brit Hume chiming in with Bill’s ass-scratch tenor sang, “Looky, looky. McCain’s falling in the polls, even though he turned negative; he’s obviously falling because he turned negative…blah, blah, blah.”
WHO has taken a poll asking people specifically:
1. how the bail-out that BOTH McCain and Obama voted for affects their persuasion toward or against McCain vs. Obama? And is McCain’s emphasis securing American mortgages already in legislation, and is just to be accomplished?
2. how political alliance with Ayers (include the PLO proponent) or any terrorist affects national security?
3. how Obama is going to increase federal spending through “net tax deductions” to provide MORE ENTITLEMENTS without crashing the economy further than the mortgage failures have?
4. how Obama can cut 95% of American taxpayers burden when 30% do not pay taxes?
5. how can any tax increase on the wealthy “living high on the hog” NOT BE passed on to the lower income population via higher prices of goods that the wealthy produce, or NOT BE passed on as lower income for employees of the wealthy industries that produce?
maverick muse on October 12, 2008 at 1:50 PM
Here is a copy of an email I sent to Rush the other day. Not that I expect it to get anywhere, but I did feel better…
TheCulturalist on October 12, 2008 at 1:51 PM
All you ever need to know about how crappy a candidate McCain is: back in late July, when the subject came up of Al Gore’s laughable, if not pathologically insane assertion that the U.S. could get all of its energy solely from renewables within 10 years. McCain said: “If the vice president says it’s doable, I believe it’s doable.”
I have never been able to get past that. That is a truly evil line of thinking, to any freedom-loving conservative.
Mindlessly backing up an opposing politician, especially one as vehement and corrupt a liar as is Al Gore, simply to be a me-too kissass is pathetically weak and indefensible.
TexasJew on October 12, 2008 at 2:15 PM
Your point is well taken. The problem is that the percentage is closer to 40%–I’m taking that from a Friday WSJ article by Kimberly Strassel.
I wish McCain would come out and call it what it is for these people–welfare. And when this is fully implemented, I’ve read that 50% of households will not be paying federal income taxes. Now, Joe Biden, that’s unpatriotic.
In calling this welfare, McCain in his last debate should succintly state what levels of income mark the top 1%, top 5%, and top 10% and then say what percentage of federal income tax receipts are paid by these groups. It’s astonishing. And yet many middle-class people don’t realize it. It’s not some smoke-and-mirrors game; it represents data from the IRS. McCain needs to shed light on these facts where the media and the public can’t ignore them.
Beyond that, I’ve commented several times that McCain really ought to find a way to succinctly contrast the benfits and mechanics of Obama’s middle class tax relief with those of his own plan. McCain proposes a large increase to the per dependent exemption, which is simply increasing a figure that’s reported on a tax return line that already exists on the tax return form. Quick and easy.
In contrast, think about the complexity involved with Obama’s series of five to seven refundable tax credits. Those tax credits presumbably won’t be self-executing. I’m betting that each will require a new one- or two-page form along with a set of instructions (another two to four pages). In the end, I’m guessing that the aggregate benefit of the credits is going to be offset by the increased cost or aggravation or both of compliance. And the earliest they’d see this supposed benefit is spring 2010. Nice plan.
BuckeyeSam on October 12, 2008 at 2:19 PM
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