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NRLC still waiting for Obama to apologize

posted at 10:15 am on October 10, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Two weeks ago, the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC) produced a one-minute TV spot declaring their vindication on their research into Barack Obama’s record on infanticide, which Obama had called “lies”. Unfortunately, the ad got pulled within a few hours, thanks to a scrap with CBN over the use of a clip from David Brody’s interview with Obama. Today, they have launched a new version of the ad, and are still waiting for an apology from Obama:

The NRLC uncovered documentation that refuted Obama’s contention that he voted against SB1082, the Illinois version of the Born Again Infant Protection Act because it didn’t have the same “neutrality clause” of the federal BAIPA that protected abortionists. When David Brody confronted Obama about it, he called the NRLC liars — but later had to admit they were correct.  Fact Check confirmed this in August.

Barack Obama owes the NRLC an apology for calling them liars, and he owes the American people an explanation of why he really opposed this bill.  It would have prevented no abortions, but would have required doctors to provide normal care for infants born alive after surviving an abortion.  Obama pretends that existing law already required this, but he knows that’s a lie as well.  The Attorney General told the legislature that the law didn’t prevent this from happening, and that the legislature needed to make the law more clear.  That’s why the legislature considered this bill on three separate occasions.  Obama voted against it all three times, and killed it in his committee in 2003.

Will he apologize?  Will he explain himself?  I sincerely doubt it, and as long as the debate moderators don’t ask questions about it, most voters will probably never hear about it.  You can read more about this on the NRLC’s website, or in my previous posts on the subject:


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Honesty is above Obama’s pay grade.

BKennedy on October 10, 2008 at 10:18 AM

I think some protest too much.

Philosophical Question of the day:
You may abhor abortion in the abstract, but how many of you can honestly say you don’t wish “Marxist” Obama had been aborted?

Trent1289 on October 10, 2008 at 10:19 AM

Obama is an abortion. That’s his problem.

NoDonkey on October 10, 2008 at 10:22 AM

Say it to my face?

Okay, McCain should call him on that and as for a real townhall to say it to his face.

Mr. Joe on October 10, 2008 at 10:22 AM

This? Oh, it’s not important enough as an issue for Duh One to think about. He’s too busy with other things like fining parents for not getting insurance for their children.

AubieJon on October 10, 2008 at 10:22 AM

I think some protest too much.

Philosophical Question of the day:
You may abhor abortion in the abstract, but how many of you can honestly say you don’t wish “Marxist” Obama had been aborted?

Trent1289 on October 10, 2008 at 10:19 AM

All of us.

What don’t you get about “pro-life.” For the ignorant and misinformed, it means that abortion is intrinsically wrong, no matter what its future victim turns into.

Philosophical question of the day:
If the gay gene is found, will the homosexual lobby still hold hands witht the abortion lobby?

BKennedy on October 10, 2008 at 10:22 AM

Well, his mother could have chose that as an option. He should be damn thankful she didnt.

So that kinda makes his mother pro-life, doesnt it?

becki51758 on October 10, 2008 at 10:22 AM

Honesty intellect is above Obama’s pay grade.

BKennedy on October 10, 2008 at 10:18 AM

fixed it for you.

grapeknutz on October 10, 2008 at 10:23 AM

Say it to my fetus.

saint kansas on October 10, 2008 at 10:23 AM

NLRC is racist.

They need to know that being a Liberal AND Black means never having to say you’re sorry.

YellowDawg on October 10, 2008 at 10:23 AM

Honesty is above Obama’s pay grade.

BKennedy on October 10, 2008 at 10:18 AM

We need to cut Barry some slack on the pay grade issue. We should remember that because of affirmative action, his pay grade is most likely much higher than yours.

YellowDawg on October 10, 2008 at 10:24 AM

Sorry this video is no longer available.

Damn. That was fast.

Damiano on October 10, 2008 at 10:24 AM

You may abhor abortion in the abstract, but how many of you can honestly say you don’t wish “Marxist” Obama had been aborted?

Trent1289 on October 10, 2008 at 10:19 AM

I wouldn’t wish abortion on anyone, even Obama. However, I do wish Obama’s mother hadn’t been such a gullible fool. If she’d had a B.S. detector, she would never have slept with the sleazy, married-with-children loser Obama, Sr., and we wouldn’t have to be dealing with the results of Stanley Ann’s foolishness today.

AZCoyote on October 10, 2008 at 10:25 AM

Honesty and intellect is above Obama’s pay grade.

BKennedy on October 10, 2008 at 10:18 AM
fixed it for you.

grapeknutz on October 10, 2008 at 10:23 AM

Fix #3

BKennedy on October 10, 2008 at 10:25 AM

It’s all about the O-bortion, baby.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 10, 2008 at 10:26 AM

Trent1289 on October 10, 2008 at 10:19 AM

That is a stupid question. Obama is a human and he was created equal. He then became stupider and worse for the country. :-) But yeah, he has an inalienable (that means it can’t be arbitrarily taken away) right to life.

Don’t fall into their traps, Trent.

Abby Adams on October 10, 2008 at 10:27 AM

McWhimp needs to bring this up at the last debate…in fact, he needs to totally ignore any questions from CBS and simply do what Sarah did, make the agenda his…

Abortion
Immigration
Drivers licenses for illegals
College Education for Illegals
Ayers
Wright
Phlager
Obama’s prior Legislation (whoops, sorry there is none)
Israel
Iraq and the white flag
Genocide in Iraq being acceptable
Iran being a little country
Flip Flopping on campaign Funding (change?)

SDarchitect on October 10, 2008 at 10:27 AM

They need to know that being a Liberal AND Black means never having to say you’re sorry.

YellowDawg on October 10, 2008 at 10:23 AM

In fact, being black and liberal means that the world owes YOU an apology.

highhopes on October 10, 2008 at 10:30 AM

You may abhor abortion in the abstract, but how many of you can honestly say you don’t wish “Marxist” Obama had been aborted? – Trent1289 on October 10, 2008 at 10:19 AM

Idiot.

ManlyRash on October 10, 2008 at 10:30 AM

I think some protest too much.

Philosophical Question of the day:
You may abhor abortion in the abstract, but how many of you can honestly say you don’t wish “Marxist” Obama had been aborted?

Trent1289 on October 10, 2008 at 10:19 AM

There is no such thing as protesting too much when life is concerned. The right to life is not negotiable no matter who you are. Good grief.

Glynn on October 10, 2008 at 10:31 AM

If a Republican candidate had only ONE of the bad stains which Obama has in heaps: this infanticide voting record, Acorn voter fraud, outright lies, being part of a corrupt political machine in Chicago, earmarks for family/friends,
Ayers, Phleger, Wright, etc…if a Republican had even ONE of these stains, Democrats would shout it to the rooftops from here to Macaca.
But this infanticide, voting to protect the practice of allowing living babies to be left to die if they survive an abortion…that shows a defective character more chilling than that of Hitler. Hitler was a mad man driven by hate-Obama doesn’t hate the babies, but he’s just as willing for innocents to be killed.
Planned Parenthood, the largest ‘provider’ of abortions targets black people, so why isn’t Obama outraged at that?
Self loathing?

Doug on October 10, 2008 at 10:32 AM

Idiot.

ManlyRash on October 10, 2008 at 10:30 AM

Exactly.

Glynn on October 10, 2008 at 10:34 AM

Trent1289 on October 10, 2008 at 10:19 AM

Sorry, but unlike you, we don’t want to kill off any inconvenient “accidents”

YellowDawg on October 10, 2008 at 10:35 AM

We’re not just looking at a liar in Barack Obama. We’re observing a pathological liar. I mean, at least Bill Clinton would smile and point his thumb to let us know that he was lying.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 10, 2008 at 10:36 AM

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Dr Evil on October 10, 2008 at 10:36 AM

http://sarah-palin-2008.blogspot.com/2008/10/obamas-good-will-hunting.html

Check the live feed jit map on this blog vistors not anonymous.

Dr Evil on October 10, 2008 at 10:37 AM

O-bortion: Forgiving “mistakes” one dead fetus at a time.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 10, 2008 at 10:37 AM

Why would Obama bring it up?

Why would MSM even ASK him about it?

Why would the Dems CARE, they support infanticide too.

The Dems SUPPORT guys like Ayres, they just wish they had the BALLS to do what he did.

The Dems KNOW that Republicans are against Obama, because he’s BLACK.

originalpechanga on October 10, 2008 at 10:40 AM

SDarchitect on October 10, 2008 at 10:27 AM

Good list, don’t forget Resco & ACORN.

eyesky on October 10, 2008 at 10:43 AM

This should be THE issue in this campaign, what percentage of the population would not be horrified by his votes? unfortunately even conservatives are more concerned about the economy. I believe it is on the issue of abortion that future generations are going to judge us the harshest.

neuquenguy on October 10, 2008 at 10:53 AM

To use a football analogy, it’s late in the 4th quarter and we have the ball in the red zone. We need to run some time off the clock before scoring against a tattered defense(ive). Excellent run right up the middle by the NRLC. First down!

mike_NC9 on October 10, 2008 at 10:56 AM

I believe it is on the issue of abortion that future generations are going to judge us the harshest.

neuquenguy on October 10, 2008 at 10:53 AM

What future generations? Some day they will have women convinced to just sterilize themselves for their own well being and the planet’s well being. Sounds crazy, but I don’t think its too far off.

thevastlane on October 10, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Everyone knows the Republicans are only using the abortion issue as a wedge to divide white and black voters.

CinC on October 10, 2008 at 11:01 AM

Of course Obama’s a liar.

That’s not the problem.

The problem is that the TV and newspapers are blaring 24-7 that McCain’s a liar and Obama’s telling the truth about everything.

How many Americans have even heard about the Born Alive Protection Act?

How many Americans believe that they will pay lower taxes under Obama than under McCain?

How many Americans know that we’ve won the war in Iraq and gone on to win the peace?

How many Americans know much more about Obama than that he has a deep sonorous voice?

This is a problem.

Americans are going to be furious when they realize who Obama really is.

ClintACK on October 10, 2008 at 11:03 AM

Obama pretends that existing law already required this, but he knows that’s a lie as well. The Attorney General told the legislature that the law didn’t prevent this from happening, and that the legislature needed to make the law more clear.

This is critical. The first sentence is the Democratic talking point on this subject. For example, every time the subject arises on H&C (I watch it for interesting guests, really), Colmes lays back while Hannity flubs the correct argument, a guest then lays the predicate for the correct point, and the Colmes offers up a few nonsensical points before invariably trying to cover for Obama by saying that Illinois law already protected these infants so no legislation was necessary. By the time Colmes spits that out, having talked over any counterargument from the guest, the music starts and they’re off to commercial. I have yet to see Hannity or a guest throw that Attorney General opinion in Colmes’s face. It was only after that opinion was rendered did the pro-life advocates in Illinois realize the need for remedial legisation.

Shifting gears, the debate for this issue was the VP debate. Ifill enabled Biden to avoid a nuclear reaction. Instead, her values question was on same-sex benefits, a burning issue for most of the country. And Biden made is sound as if it were some kind of civil rights issue. In fact, it boils down to the harsh reality that gay and lesbian couples, like unmarried heterosexual couples, do not benefit from the default provisions in state laws related to estate planning matters. Instead, those laws favor spouses and blood relatives–and rightfully so. Not only is Uncle Joe’s sob story about gay partners not being able to visit each other when hospitalized not a burning issue, but it’s also easily resolved by getting some fundamental estate planning done, including a document appointing a health care surrogate (or whatever it’s called in a particular state).

Another opportunity taken by MSM.

BuckeyeSam on October 10, 2008 at 11:04 AM

What future generations?

thevastlane on October 10, 2008 at 11:00 AM

That says it all right there. :(

mike_NC9 on October 10, 2008 at 11:04 AM

You may abhor abortion in the abstract, but how many of you can honestly say you don’t wish “Marxist” Obama had been aborted?

Trent1289 on October 10, 2008 at 10:19 AM

As others have said, all of us.

Did you get schooled enough by the pro-lifers here today? Or would you like to come back and ask more inane pro-death questions?

And in spite of your ridiculous attempts at “pro-life gotcha,” we STILL hope you have a great day. Is it sinkin’ it yet?

inviolet on October 10, 2008 at 11:05 AM

Obama is a person that will say and do anything in order to get elected.

His calling anyone a liar is the Hussein calling the Obama black.

Hening on October 10, 2008 at 11:12 AM

Philosophical question of the day:
If the gay gene is found, will the homosexual lobby still hold hands witht the abortion lobby?

BKennedy on October 10, 2008 at 10:22 AM

I use that exact argument when I am talking about abortion with people.

mrsmwp on October 10, 2008 at 11:13 AM

You may abhor abortion in the abstract, but how many of you can honestly say you don’t wish “Marxist” Obama had been aborted?

Trent1289 on October 10, 2008 at 10:19 AM

That would be like wishing for his assassination. Besides, if it wasn’t Obama, it would be some other socialist running as the Democratic nominee, anyway.

Count to 10 on October 10, 2008 at 11:16 AM

You may abhor abortion in the abstract, but how many of you can honestly say you don’t wish “Marxist” Obama had been aborted?

I absolutely do NOT wish Obama had been aborted. I absolutely support his right to live, his right to run, and his right to be wrong. It is our job to oppose him.

JustTruth101 on October 10, 2008 at 11:18 AM

Ed–you are just plain wrong on one point and highly suspect on another.

“Obama pretends that existing law already required this, but he knows that’s a lie as well.” No, Ed. Existing Illinois law did require that doctors provide health care to a fetus born alive. That’s from the 1975 Illinois law and the operative parts of that provision weren’t affected by the 1990’s consent decree. See Section 6 at the followling link: http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=1928&ChapAct=720%C2%A0ILCS%C2%A0510/&ChapterID=53&ChapterName=CRIMINAL+OFFENSES&ActName=Illinois+Abortion+Law+of+1975.

In addition, the federal “born alive” law was in effect in August, 2002. See the following link: http://www.nrlc.org/federal/Born_Alive_Infants/BAIPLaw0405.html. So there were two laws in effect that covered this situation.

Secondly, you wrote this statement: “The Attorney General told the legislature that the law didn’t prevent this from happening, and that the legislature needed to make the law more clear.”

Ed, I can find no evidence that Jim Ryan, the Illinois attorney general, ever gave testimony to the Illinois legislature about this. Do you have substantiation? What I can find is a 2000 letter from Jim Ryan saying that there was no basis for legal action, which is different from saying that the law needed clarification. In fact, subsequent inquires suggest that the existing Illinois law would have covered this situation, but that the problem was a lack of substantiated evidence: “In an August 2004 email discussion with Stanek, Chicago Tribune columnist Eric Zorn quoted IDPH spokesman Tom Shafer stating: “[W]hat they were alleging were violations of existing law. … We took (the allegations) very seriously.” Zorn further wrote: “Shafer told me that the 1999 investigation reviewed logs, personnel files and medical records. It concluded, ‘The allegation that infants were allowed to expire in a utility room could not be substantiated (and) all staff interviewed denied that any infant was ever left alone.’ “

jim m on October 10, 2008 at 11:30 AM

Trent1289 Troll1289 on October 10, 2008 at 10:19 AM

ex-Democrat on October 10, 2008 at 11:41 AM

Gateway Pundit On A Roll, Ayers, Obama, Pfleger, and More

Instapundit reports! Good stuff and lots of it, link and keep scrolling.

Mr. Joe on October 10, 2008 at 11:44 AM

Good ad. Still waiting for clarification on what kind of freak of nature, American citizen thinks Obama is even remotely qualified to be a senator, let alone POTUS. The guy’s a sleezeball

anniekc on October 10, 2008 at 11:47 AM

What the MSM frantically hides, is that it’s the audacity of Obama’s LIES, not the audacity of “hope”. He can get away with anything, because the only call out on him is here in the blogosphere. McCain may be coming on with this now, but his problem is the MSM is all about making him look like a mean and nasty negative campaigner now, instead of a truth teller. They even go to great lengths to “fact check” and then call McCain false, when in fact, he has been telling the truth. It’s just sickening to see how dishonest the MSM has become. Heck, I don’t really see much difference in any of the MSM these days than Olbermann. The only difference, is perhaps, in the choice of words.

Webrider on October 10, 2008 at 11:55 AM

I have a very liberal friend who is extremely pro-abortion. We got in a big fight over this BAIPA issue and she used the lib talking point about it alreay being law. I ended up calling her an abortion extremist and she got PISSED and demanded an apology. I didn’t apologize because she supports partial birth. I also told her I was quite happy meeting her definition of an abortion extremist. She would never admit to supporting abortion, she would always claim to support choice.

It’s amazing the lengths some people go to in order to justify supporting something they know is wrong.

hump1201 on October 10, 2008 at 11:57 AM

Maybe your friend was angry because you–like Ed Morrisey–are lying about this not being covered by existing law.

Ed–Who’s bribing you?

jim m on October 10, 2008 at 12:00 PM

Actually, jackass, if you read what I wrote you’d notice I consider her an extremist because she supports partial birth.

Yes I realize this guy is likely a troll looking for a fight. He can go F himself regardless.

hump1201 on October 10, 2008 at 12:15 PM

Yeah, go hump yourself, too, hump1201.

jim m on October 10, 2008 at 12:21 PM

Barack Obama, 04/04/2002, IL Senate – “adding a — an additional doctor who then has to be called in an emergency situation to come in and make these assessments is really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion.”

So, if the original plan was to abort the baby, but the … Read Morebaby somehow makes it out of the “procedure” alive, don’t call in an additional doctor that might “burden the original decision … to perform an abortion”. You can’t let that baby live! Mom and doc already said no!

Transcript: http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST040402.pdf

Audio of Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypDwNpgIUQc

kerrhome on October 10, 2008 at 12:35 PM

You may abhor abortion in the abstract, but how many of you can honestly say you don’t wish “Marxist” Obama had been aborted? – Trent1289 on October 10, 2008 at 10:19 AM

Nah, but I sure wish the rubber didn’t break.

Y-not on October 10, 2008 at 1:01 PM

Honesty is above Obama’s pay grade.

BKennedy on October 10, 2008 at 10:18 AM

Heh.

kayo on October 10, 2008 at 2:09 PM

As the longtime legislative director for National Right to Life, I think I can shed some light on the points raised in a posting above by “jim m,” who argued that the Illinois Born-Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA) that Obama opposed was unnecessary because, he asserts, “there were two laws [already] in effect that covered this situation.”

He is mistaken on both counts.

One of the two laws he mentions is the federal BAIPA, which had been enacted in 2002. But the federal BAIPA simply established that when the terms “person,” “human being,” “child,” or “individual,” appear in any FEDERAL law or regulation, they are to be construed to include “every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development,” and goes on to define “born alive” as meaning that the human has achieved “complete extraction or expulsion from his or her mother” and shows specific, defined signs of life. This law has no application whatever to the interpretation of any STATE laws or regulations — for example, the interpretation of a state homicide law. Apples and oranges.

The other law mentioned by “jim m” is a pre-existing Illinois state law, 720 ILCS 510.6. But in reality, this law provided no protection at all to many of the babies born alive during abortions, and only very weak or theoretical protection to the others. Allow me to elaborate.

720 ILCS 510.6, on its face, applies only where an abortionist declares before the abortion that there was “a reasonable likelihood of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb.” But humans are often born alive a month or more before they reach the point where such “sustained survival” – that is, long-term survival – is likely or possible (which is often called the point of “viability”). Thus, the old Illinois law has no bearing on many of the induced-labor abortions about which nurses testified before the committees in Congress and the Illinois state legislature, because many of them were performed on unborn humans who were capable of being born alive, and who often were born alive, but who were not old enough to have a “reasonable likelihood of sustained survival . . . outside the womb.”

For example, one nurse testified, “It is not uncommon for a live aborted babies to linger for an hour or two or even longer. At Christ Hospital one of these babies once lived for almost an entire eight-hour shift. Last year alone, of the 13 babies that I am aware of who were aborted at Christ Hospital, at least four lived between 1-1/2 to 3 hours, two boys and two girls.” The nurse testified that another aborted baby “was left to die on the counter of the Soiled Utility Room wrapped in a disposable towel. This baby was accidentally thrown in the garbage, and when they later were going through the trash to find the baby, the baby fell out of the towel and on to the floor.” Another nurse testified that she “happened to walk into a ‘soiled utility room’ and saw, lying on the metal counter, a fetus, naked, exposed and breathing, moving its arms and legs.”

These live-born but “pre-viable” infants enjoyed no protection at all under 720 ILCS 510.6. The second-physician requirement did not apply, even in theory, because they did not meet the permanent-survival criterion. It would not have violated 720 ILCS 510.6 if an abortionist had walked into the room and hit one of them on the head with a hammer.

Even if the case in which a human-to-be-aborted was likely past the point of “viability,” 720 ILCS 510.6 provided very weak protection. The requirements for the presence of a second physician and so forth kicked in if and only if the abortionist himself first triggered the law by making the “reasonable likelihood of sustained survival” determination. It is clearly left to the abortionist himself to decide whether an unborn child is deemed “viable” enough to have a second physician be present – – a physician whose job it would be to try to save the life of the very child that the abortionist had been hired to terminate. The weakness of the protection afforded by this approach should be evident — typically, the abortionist is going to have a strong predisposition to regard the target of the abortion as “nonviable.”

In addition, a consent decree ratified by a federal court in 1993 rendered large portions of the law unenforceable against abortion providers. “jim m” says that the consent decree did not affect the “operative” provisions but that is misleading — the consent decree blocked enforcement against abortionists, for example, of the law’s definitions of “live birth” and “born alive.” With those terms up for grabs, a prosecutor would face very high hurdles indeed. In addition, the consent decree enjoined the law’s requirement that the abortionist subsequently report on a form the basis of his judgment that a medical emergency existed, which would allow him to abort a viable child without reference to the second-physician requirement. This is not a minor point. This eliminated an effective vehicle for oversight of the abortion industry’s compliance with this statutory provision (for instance if an abortionist filed a high number of such reports). The consent decree can be downloaded from our website here: http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/FedCourtDecree1993BlockingIllinoisLaw.pdf

During Obama’s time in the Illinois Senate, bills (other than the BAIPA) were introduced to tighten up the regulations on post-viability abortions. He opposed those bills, just as he opposed the BAIPA. In one such instance in 2002, Obama took to the Illinois Senate floor and spoke against a bill (SB 1663) that would have more strictly defined the circumstances under which the presence of a second physician (to care for a live-born baby) would be required; Obama argued that this would “burden the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion . . . [I]t’s important to understand that this issue ultimately is about abortion and not live births.”

It is also worth underscoring that at the time he led the opposition to the Illinois BAIPA, Obama did not argue that it was unnecessary or duplicative. That claim was invented much later. Obama explained in 2001, and has never recanted, that he opposed the BAIPA because it declared a “previable fetus” to be a legal person – even though the bill only applied if the baby had achieved “complete expulsion or extraction from its mother,” and was alive.

I am a critic of Roe v. Wade -– but even among persons who defend Roe v. Wade, most consider that ruling to confer a right to terminate the lives of unborn humans inside the womb, and do not believe that it diminishes the legal status of a baby who is fully born. However, there really are some people who believe that Roe v. Wade goes further, and requires that a “previable fetus” (Obama’s term) who is the subject of an abortion must remain classified as a non-person no matter where that “previable fetus” is located. In this vision, the so-called “previable fetus” who happens to be outside the mother is still in the process of being aborted, and that entire process (which Obama regards as constitutionally protected) will end only with the death of the newborn. By his actions and his explanations of those actions, Barack Obama showed himself to be among those who hold this expansive vision of the “right to abortion.” In Obama’s view, to declare the fully born and living but “previable” human to be a legal person does indeed interfere with “abortion” and does indeed conflict with the full and proper application of “Roe v. Wade.”

Thus, Obama’s commitment to defend the practice of abortion without qualification was so absolute that it led him to reflexively view the issue of babies born alive during abortions through the prism of his concept of Roe v. Wade, and worse, to conclude that a breathing, squirming, fully born pre-viable human baby is still covered by Roe v. Wade. But when he ran for higher office (U.S. Senate) in 2004, he realized how difficult that position would be to defend in the world outside the halls of the Illinois Senate. That is when he began to misrepresent the contents of the bill that he had opposed, which produced this judgment by the Annenberg FactCheck.org watchdogs: “Obama’s claim is wrong . . . The documents from NRLC support the group’s claims that Obama is misrepresenting the contents of SB 1082 [the 2003 Illinois BAIPA].”

You can best evaluate Obama’s notion of the proper scope of the “right to abortion” by reading the actual text of the bill that he killed, in the committee he chaired, on March 13, 2003. It is only three sentences long, and I have reproduced it verbatim below. As previously noted, it was virtually identical to a bill that had passed the U.S. Senate 98-0.


AN ACT concerning infants who are born alive. Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois, represented in the General Assembly:

Section 5. The Statute on Statutes is amended by adding Section 1.36 as follows: (5 ILCS 70/1.36 new)

Sec. 1.36. Born-alive infant.

(a) In determining the meaning of any statute or of any rule, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative agencies of this State, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.

(b) As used in this Section, the term “born alive”, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.

(c) Nothing in this Section [the bill] shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive as defined in this Section.

Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect upon becoming law

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There is a great deal of additional documentation on these matters available in a memorandum that we issued on August 18, which contains hyperlinks to primary sources, here:
http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/ExactBillKilledbyObama.html

Douglas Johnson
Legislative Director
National Right to Life Committee
Washington, D.C.
Legfederal // at // aol-dot-com
http://www.nrlc.org
Legfederal // at // aol-dot-com

Douglas Johnson on October 10, 2008 at 2:43 PM

Douglas, I am honored to have you challenge me.

a). If the federal law that you among others pushed so hard to make effective in 2002 had no impact, then why did you push for it? In other words, what was the political battle about and are you saying there is no Federal “born alive” protection? Here’s what President Bush said at the signing of the bill (you were there): “This important legislation ensures that every infant born alive — including an infant who survives an abortion procedure — is considered a person under federal law,” the President said before signing the bill. He added, “Today, through sonograms and other technology, we can see clearly that unborn children are members of the human family, as well.”

b). Secondly, the consent decree you linked to indicates that the impact it had on applicable language in Section 6 was,in its words, “only to the extent [that section] requires physicians to describe basis for judgment that medical emergency existed”. It may have had an impact on other aspects of the law, but it retained the requirement for medical care for fetuses born alive. Isn’t that correct?

c). Third, Ed stated that the attorney general of Illinois testified that the original law needed clarification. I can find no evidence that Ryan of Illinois ever provided testimony to the Illinois legislature on this topic. Can you help here?

jim m on October 10, 2008 at 3:35 PM

One final point, Douglas. This is another portion of the original Illinois statute: “(a) Any physician who intentionally performs an abortion when, in his medical judgment based on the particular facts of the case before him, there is a reasonable likelihood of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb, with or without artificial support, shall utilize that method of abortion which, of those he knows to be available, is in his medical judgment most likely to preserve the life and health of the fetus.” The “with..artificial support” language seems to me to make the original Illinois statute apply to many pre-viable fetuses.

jim m on October 10, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Messiahs don’t apologize, do they?

reshas1 on October 10, 2008 at 4:36 PM

jim m, I am honored that you are honored.

Before I address the points you raised, it may interest some readers here to learn that ABC Radio has refused to sell National Right to Life PAC time to broadcast the ad that is described in the post that started this thread. They refused not on grounds that there is anything inaccurate about the ad, but rather, that “This copy, while supporting aspects of a Pro-Life position, weighs more heavily towards electioneering.” As NRLC Communications Director Derrick Jones commented, “It seems that the pro-Obama leanings of the mainstream media have overflowed into their sales departments as well. To reject a political action committee’s ad because they think it is too political, borders on the absurd.” To learn more about this development, go here:
http://nrlcomm.wordpress.com/

Now, to address jim m’s points:

(a) Of course, I didn’t say anything to suggest that I thought that the federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA) “had no impact.” The four key terms that the federal BAIPA construes — “person,” “human being,” “child,” and “individual” — appeared in about 15,000 sections of the U.S. Code and 57,000 sections of the Code of Federal Regulations, at the time it was enacted. Since enactment, the BAIPA was cited in directives sent out by the federal Department of Health and Human Services regarding the obligations of certain hospitals under certain federal laws. In this respect and others, enactment of the federal law was important and helpful, but it certainly was not a substitute for state laws applying the same principle to state-law questions. I was not in any way minimizing the value of the federal law, but I was correcting your earlier comment, which failed to recognize that the federal BAIPA was a definitional bill governing construction of federal laws. It is consistent with, but certainly not a substitute for, comparable state bills such as the one that Obama killed in his committee on March 13, 2003. It is important for both federal and state laws to recognize that all born-alive humans enjoy legal protection, whether or not they are born alive after abortions.

(b) You seem to be confused regarding the terminology in the Illinois post-viability abortion law. The term “viability,” in the abortion context, is generally used to indicate the point at which the baby can survive long-term outside the mother, with or without artificial assistance. 720 ILCS 510.2 of the old Illinois law explicitly defines “viability” to mean that stage of development that “in the medical judgment of the attending physician [i.e. the abortionist] based on the particular facts of the case before him, there is a reasonable likelihood of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb, with or without artificial support.” “Sustained survival” means long-term survival. That point at which long-term survival becomes possible begins, nowadays, at around 22-23 weeks. In all of the discussions of this law in which I have participated, you are the first one to suggest that 720 ILCS 510 could be construed to apply before “viability,” because by its most explicit terms, it does not.

State Senator Obama understood this distinction very well. When the Illinois BAIPA came to the Illinois Senate floor for the first time, he was the only senator to vote against it. He objected to the bill NOT because he thought it was duplicative of existing law — that claim was invented long afterwards — but precisely because he understood that the bill would recognize even a pre-viable infant, born alive after an abortion, as a legally protected person.

The first time the BAIPA reached the Illinois Senate floor, on March 30, 2001, Obama was the only senator to speak against it, and he did so specificlaly on the basis that “we define [in the BAIPA] a previable fetus as a person.” Of course, the only human defined as a “person” under the BAIPA is the human who had achieved “complete expulsion or extraction” from the mother, and was alive, but that was an unimportant distinction to Obama, in the abortion context.

Live births occur a month or more before the point of “viability.” If a human infant born alive during abortions is to be regarded as a non-person simply because his underdeveloped lungs give him a very limited life span, then it would not be a homicide if an abortionist simply dispatched such a born “previable fetus” by hitting him on the head with a hammer, would it?

As recently as August 19, 2008, the Obama campaign issued a memo on this issue in which they singled out for condemnation this clause from the original 2001 Illinois BAIPA: “(c) A live child born as a result of an abortion shall be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate protection under the law.” The August 19 Obama document labeled that sentence as “Language Clearly Threatening Roe.” Perhaps you can explain to us why Obama believes that sentence threatens Roe v. Wade. In any event, that “immediate protection” clause was stricken from the bill at the committee meeting over which Obama presided on March 13, 2003, and replaced with the so-called “neutrality clause” copied from the federal law. Then Chairman Obama led all his committee Democrats in voting down the bill, anyway.

(c) Aside from the fact that 720 ILCS 510 has no application whatever before “viability,” it has another inherent weakeness in that the ostensibly protective requirements can only be triggered by the discretionary declaration of the abortionist himself — who, after all, has been hired to terminate the unborn human. The provisions of the consent decree add yet another set of hurdles to anyone actually attempting to endorce the law. Under the decree, the abortionist can waive the requirements by declaring an emergency, and cannot be required to describe the basis for that judgment. In addition, the prosecutor is forbidden, by the consent decree, from bringing to bear the key definitions in the law, including the definition of “born alive.” While the decree leaves in place the form of a requirement, it removes the tools that prosecutors would need to make that “requirement” meaningful. On April 4, 2002, Obama spoke on the Illinois Senate floor against a bill (SB 1663 – which was not the BAIPA) that would have more strictly defined the circumstances under which the presence of a second physician (to care for a live-born baby) would be required; Obama argued that this would “burden the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion . . . [I]t’s important to understand that this issue ultimately is about abortion and not live births.”

(d) I do not know what opinion, if any, the attorney general of Illinois expressed about the Illinois BAIPA at the time that Obama served in the legislature. I have certainly never seen anything to suggest that he opposed it. In my view, there was ample evidence that some people were operating on the understanding that a live-born, squirming human infant was to be treated as something other than a human person, if that infant had been born alive as part of an abortion procedure, and there was need to clarify the law on that issue. The official report of the Judiciary Committee of the U.S. House of Representatives provides a good distillation of the justifications for such legislation, and the reasons applied with equal force to federal and state law. The report is here:
http://www.nrlc.org/Federal/Born_Alive_Infants/HJCreportBAIPA2000.pdf

Douglas Johnson
Legislative Director
National Right to Life Committee
Washington, D.C.

Douglas Johnson on October 10, 2008 at 7:40 PM

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