Fox News poll: 32% say Ayers makes them less likely to vote for Obama
posted at 3:30 pm on October 10, 2008 by Allahpundit
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And yet The One still leads by seven overall. Ace is underwhelmed, as is Geraghty, who notes that the touchstone here isn’t whether you’re less likely to vote for Obama but how much less likely. Incidentally, who repels more independents? Bill Ayers…
…or Sarah Palin?
She’s only a net -12 whereas Ayers is a net -26, so we’ll call that a moral victory. Her favorables are still net positive, 47/42, but that’s the lowest spread among the four people on the tickets and down 22 points since early September. McCain is at +13; The One is +26. I don’t know if it was the Couric interview or SNL or playing the attack dog on the stump, but she’s tanking. And if the Troopergate report is bad, she might well be net negative by the time of the next poll. As it is, even a small plurality of Republicans now expect Obama to win, 39/35.
People still hate the bailout too, of course, although they like the idea of being bailed out themselves. If you want to know why the Dow continues to melt down, here’s part of the reason:
Exit question: How bad is this going to be?
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Where are they doing these Polls at?
Internet? If that is the case then it is a free for all around the world. Are they calling, and where and what times?
Ugh I hate polls… the same people who say they will do something turn about and the do the exact opposite.
upinak on October 10, 2008 at 3:33 PM
That’s it, AP; highlight that dark cloud behind the silver lining.
We’re Screwed ‘08
Sarah Palin 2012!
rmgraha on October 10, 2008 at 3:33 PM
Ayers is an America-hating terrorist? Eh.
Palin is a baby-lovin’ hockey mom? YOU REPUBLICANS DISGUST ME!!
misterpeasea on October 10, 2008 at 3:33 PM
Exit question: How bad is this going to be?
not bad. if she’s booed, every news story will run the obligatory “philly fans booed santa claus” stories and folks will say “good for her for sticking it out”
or put it this way, D.C. fans jeer bush every april for opening day, but no one says “what a dumb move by bush”, they say “well he held his own”
Palin: don’t make a POLITICAL appearance. drop the dang puck, then get lots of tv time where you are GLUED to the action of teh game, CHEERING the FLYERS!
battleoflepanto1571 on October 10, 2008 at 3:34 PM
My exit question: How can anyone think any member of congress knows what they are doing?
Vashta.Nerada on October 10, 2008 at 3:34 PM
Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright 24/7
marklmail on October 10, 2008 at 3:35 PM
That about sums up this country right now.
lorien1973 on October 10, 2008 at 3:35 PM
is Fitzgerald a Clinton appointee? Maybe there is merit to charges against obama and Rezko singing. This could be the way Bubba is going to stop Obama to pave way for Hillary in 08.
Has to be, because if Obama is elected Fitzgerald has to know he’ll be fired right away. So why do this now?
jp on October 10, 2008 at 3:37 PM
Vasha, and for that: Here is your sign!
upinak on October 10, 2008 at 3:37 PM
Palin’s not as low as Ayers, but she’s tied to Maverick through Nov. 4, whereas nobody outside of the conservative media is going to do the job of linking Obama and Ayers on a 24/7 basis for the next 25 days. Unless McCain personally goes out and makes the connection repeatedly, and explains how that relates to his judgment today and over the next four years, it’s not going to make a major difference in the final vote.
jon1979 on October 10, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Hyperinflation is right around the corner.
Dorvillian on October 10, 2008 at 3:38 PM
My exit question
What happens if the election is close and decided by voter fraud ? 105 percent of indianopolis votes etc
They need to gameplan this out right now which judging by the mccain camp he will not.
I don’t want to see him concede for the supposed good of the country. Having the election stolen by a neo-marxist is not good for the country.
You can also expect DC statehood in his first two years
kangjie on October 10, 2008 at 3:39 PM
I think I’ll make that my wallpaper
Vashta.Nerada on October 10, 2008 at 3:39 PM
Thought you might enjoy that. I have a coffee mug.
upinak on October 10, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Big S said:
- Ayers won’t be a very productive line of attack.
- Sarah Palin is not a good choice because she’ll scare away moderate independents.
2 for 2. You can check the archives if you want.
My advice:
McCain needs to talk about the economy. All of the noise he’s generated with the Palin pick and the Ayers stuff is drowning out anything he has to say about the economy. Obama’s still getting his massage though that he wants to “help the middle class”, and all we hear from McCain and Palin is “small town values”, “Obama pals around with terrorists”, and news of scandals.
Big S on October 10, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Victory is ours, doubters and schemers. Bwahahahah.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 10, 2008 at 3:41 PM
Any candy-ass that claims to be a conservative yet gives up on this election deserves an Obama presidency. I support Mac and Palin, I educate others on Mac and Palin (vs. Bambi/Biden), and I will vote for Mac and Palin. No hesitation.
pugwriter on October 10, 2008 at 3:41 PM
Dude! You didn’t get it. AP’s crapping all over Palin and basically agreeing with C.B.
Exit question: DUDE, is it true? AP’s voting Obama and Clinton’s voting McCain. This election is a wash.
Surrender.
Sultry Beauty on October 10, 2008 at 3:41 PM
Here is my mug:
http://www.ece.mcgill.ca/~elotay/scream.jpg
Vashta.Nerada on October 10, 2008 at 3:41 PM
Again, regardless of whether this line of attack makes people less likely to vote for BO or not, it’s practically an obligation to point out these association that very much reflect on BO’s character. If nothing else, you have to let the voters know what they’re getting, so that they can’t blame others for not telling them when the fact that they voted in someone who associates with terrorsts/criminals/racketering organizations (ACORN) inevitably comes back to haunt them.
Keep at it.
thirteen28 on October 10, 2008 at 3:42 PM
Polls are lame. The MSM touted the idea that the economy will work to Obama’s advantage for months. Now that this happened, the MSM is putting this notion down our throats.
Why would anyone entrust the economy to a rookie backbencher of the senate who has absolutely no record on doing anything concerning the economy or much of anything?! McCain needs to remind the American people that he had the foresight to know that this will happen. And he needs to look at the camera, at the American people and ask them would you trust your hard earned money to a rookie or to a person who predicted this would happen and fought for more vigilance and regulation of Fannie?
jencab on October 10, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Palin is -12 with independents on a Fox poll?
There is your answer, and Ayers won’t be able to undo it if independent voters are concerned about her becoming President if McCain goes down (or concerned about McCain picking her). Ayers is not on the ticket, but Palin is. It is telling that the Ayers question has to give a biographical sketch of his misdeeds before asking the question.
.
okonkolo on October 10, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Palin turns off democrats and wishy-washies, which is great. I wish McCain would stop being so moderate and throw us some red meat.
lodge on October 10, 2008 at 3:43 PM
No. That about sums up Allah and Christopher Buckley and elitist, Libertarian, Athiest snobs who went to Ivy League schools and think they know more than the rest of us middle class American hicks.
Sultry Beauty on October 10, 2008 at 3:44 PM
more national showtime Palin has the better her favorables will be. People are being force feed junk from the Liberal idiots in the media
jp on October 10, 2008 at 3:44 PM
Damn straight!!
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 10, 2008 at 3:44 PM
BILL AYERS = TIMOTHY MCVEIGH
TIMOTHY MCVEIGH = BILL AYERS
BILL AYERS = TIMOTHY MCVEIGH
TIMOTHY MCVEIGH = BILL AYERS
BILL AYERS = TIMOTHY MCVEIGH
TIMOTHY MCVEIGH = BILL AYERS
coffee260 on October 10, 2008 at 3:44 PM
I wonder how the pollsters account for the hundreds of thousands of us who registered dem to vote for the weaker candidate Obama, or to vote against Hillary. Do they remove a portion of the dem percentage?
Vashta.Nerada on October 10, 2008 at 3:46 PM
Exit answer: How the f**k should I know? If I had that kind of psychic ability, I’d be holding a winning Powerball lotto ticket.
ManlyRash on October 10, 2008 at 3:47 PM
Bill Ayers is a communist, a terrorist, and a longtime associate of Barack Obama’s.
Sarah Palin bought a tanning bed.
Liberal conclusion: “I hate Palin!!! Tanning beds are dangerous!!”
capitalist piglet on October 10, 2008 at 3:47 PM
Ahh The Scream, I have that print actually. But Salvador Dali is still my fave… what a weirdo, but cool images. Make you wonder how much opium he was smoking.
Earl is also a fave.
upinak on October 10, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Ok, now lets toss in the Rev and watch those number rise.
Hening on October 10, 2008 at 3:49 PM
we should use Wright more than Ayers based on the fact that we have those powerful videos of Wright and nothing is better than having that.
lavell12 on October 10, 2008 at 3:50 PM
AP, with much love and respect, nothing about Ayers has gotten a 41.7 Nielsen yet.
DrSteve on October 10, 2008 at 3:51 PM
BOTH adults in THIS PENN household did that (but voted for hillary to keep the fire burning) and haven’t changed back. I know the media pretends that ‘operation chaos’ was inconsequential, and maybe folks didnt know about rush’s p.o.v., but i guarantee many repubs just switched to vote in the more ‘interesting’ primary. OR they registered back in 06 when party ID for gop was bad and it was a protest. OR they’ve always been a registered dem because that’s where the “REAL” election contest is in, in the dem primary, because everyone runs as a dem in the state elections (see Arkansas, iowa, minnesota)
battleoflepanto1571 on October 10, 2008 at 3:52 PM
Um, if Palin’s numbers are low it’s because they used her as a neocon attack dog.. I emailed in a bunch of policy pivots to really fit her narrative but they’ve totally screwed up… Palin was a great choice handled horribly…
ninjapirate on October 10, 2008 at 3:54 PM
Don’t dismiss all of the PUMA’s for Hil out there.
Not many of those are vocal.
The ‘Hillary affect’ could closely challenge the ‘Bradley’ one ???
Does anyone know the reliable NUMBER of ‘operation chaos’ folks that are registered Dems, but will come away voting GOP ?
I know several folks who’d tell a pollster that they’re reg’d Dem, but will vote McCain.
Just really curious.
pambi on October 10, 2008 at 3:54 PM
HAHA… Vashta.Nerada on October 10, 2008 at 3:46 PM
You beat me, sorry.
pambi on October 10, 2008 at 3:55 PM
OMG the Ayers ads have been out for ONE DAY and there isn’t a poll shift of 10 POINTS!!!!!
McLovin on October 10, 2008 at 3:55 PM
I’m pretty sure everyone is clear on the J. Wright/OBambi association. It got huge airplay during the primaries. But the Ayers/Acorn/Rezko/Chicago political machine story has so many layers that can be brought to light over the next three weeks that it seems the fresher, more startling to the masses, approach.
It’s the gift that keeps on giving.
pugwriter on October 10, 2008 at 3:55 PM
Palin turns off lefties, weak-willed independents who are afraid of lefty vitriol, metrosexual girly men who are threatend by a woman that knows how to bait a hook and field dress a moose, and cocktail conservatives. The crowds she brings in indicate that there are plenty still enamored with her.
thirteen28 on October 10, 2008 at 3:56 PM
You might like Krasnyansky then
http://artbrokerage.com/art/krasnyansky/
Vashta.Nerada on October 10, 2008 at 3:57 PM
upinak on October 10, 2008 at 3:48 PM
off topic- sorry but what’s the word out of Alaska re: troopergate? anything?
kareyk on October 10, 2008 at 3:58 PM
Barack Obama has told so many lies about his relationship with terrorist Bill Ayers it’s hard to keep up. So, I have pieced together a timeline to see if this “rehabilitated guy who happens to live in Obama’s neighborhood” could be a bit closer to the Obama’s than is being disclosed.
http://conservativepolitics.today.com/2008/10/10/obamaayersdohrn-timeline/
Virginia Shanahan on October 10, 2008 at 3:59 PM
upinak on October 10, 2008 at 3:48 PM
No official news that I can find yet, but Sarah was approached and declared she/they have absolutely nothing to hide, so confident about any findings.
Atta girl ;-)
pambi on October 10, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Regarding the ice hockey, I’m not sure about doing it in Philly. Philly is totally for Obama.
lodge on October 10, 2008 at 4:01 PM
Er… well… are Philly HOCKEY FANS ‘totally for Obama’ though?
Here, I’ll save you guys some time “RAAAAACIST!!!!!!”
battleoflepanto1571 on October 10, 2008 at 4:02 PM
McCain today.
Not naming names.
No ACORN either. No Frank. No Dodd.
This is the problem. Unless McCain brings this stuff up in speeches that people will hear, it won’t matter.
And he isn’t. So it won’t.
lorien1973 on October 10, 2008 at 4:02 PM
Philadelphia snowballed Santa Claus.
Doesn’t that say it all?
lorien1973 on October 10, 2008 at 4:03 PM
Of course they are. It’s Fox News! Look, can we be honest? Fox News, though they do some good reporting (and though Brit Hume is one of the best people on TV) is quite Republican leaning, just as MSNBC is (with the exception of Scarborough) Democrat. (And that blonde in-your-face lady is just a bit OTT.)
Tzetzes on October 10, 2008 at 4:03 PM
Virginia Shanahan on October 10, 2008 at 3:59 PM
good post I saved it in my favorites. must have taken quite some time to compile and write. thanks.
kareyk on October 10, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Warning: Boxing analogy ahead:
You have to have a plan and stick to it. If Ayers and the Chicago connections are the plan then Mac needs to stick to it no matter what the opposition or even GOP pundits are saying.
Most boxers enter the ring with a plan. The disciplined ones stick to it even when it seems that they are taking all the jabs and can’t seem to land anything. The fight will turn in his favor if he keeps sticking his jab out there, forcing his opponent to react. After a while it will begin to land and open opportunities for straight rights then left hooks, uppercuts, bodyshots, etc.
If it is November 3 and we’re 15 points down, then I’ll worry. Until then, Mac should just keep jabbing.
pugwriter on October 10, 2008 at 4:05 PM
I’ll go out on a limb and predict America’s electorate will become exponentially dumber with each passing presidential election.
The repercussions are obvious, one need look no further than this election cycle.
Karl Marx is smiling from the grave.
fogw on October 10, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Fox doesn’t poll their own viewers though. They just outsource a polling contract to a private company
lodge on October 10, 2008 at 4:06 PM
Shocked, I tell you, I’m shocked.
Spirit of 1776 on October 10, 2008 at 4:07 PM
Why does anyone think that Sarah Palin will scare off independents any more than John McCain will? Why? She’s pro-life and so is John S. McCain. Is the difference she actually gave birth to a special-needs child?
Oink on October 10, 2008 at 4:09 PM
So here’s my question: How can I be less likely to vote for someone when I already won’t vote for him for all the tea in China? Of those 61% who said it wouldn’t matter one way or the other, how many of them are already firmly opposed to Obama (or firmly in his corner)? If that 32% represents the persuadable, that’s pretty significant.
doppelganglander on October 10, 2008 at 4:11 PM
I was stunned to learn that I have co-workers who didn’t know that BO’s middle name is Hussein.
Mac, please let your surrogates use the “H” word!
eea on October 10, 2008 at 4:16 PM
Palin isn’t a drag–the Tina Fey media is.
If the media wewre unbiased, Biden would be a drag.
eea on October 10, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Only 32% in a FOX POLL say Ayers is a negative? If that is the case, Ayers is truly a non-issue.
jay12 on October 10, 2008 at 4:23 PM
For crying out loud in the pot AP, it’s going to be a rousing success!
Sheesh!
Vince on October 10, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Obama brought up education as one of his top priorities in the last debate. This is where McCain really needs to hit him at. He Needs to being asking what exactly Ayers and Obama were doing to the education system in Chicago, and who exactly were they paying to carry out their education agenda.
mtbunji on October 10, 2008 at 4:30 PM
I heard early on that a bad economy hurts McCain but a horrific economy helps him because of what you state above. But as yet, only half of that prediction is working. Sob.
petunia on October 10, 2008 at 4:31 PM
Was reading the Zogby bit yesterday,, he made a compelling argument that McCain could still easily win. He said this race is wide open. He also mentioned that in 1980, at this time, Carter was ahead of Reagan or dead even. It was not until the last 3 days,, the words he used were,, it wasn’t until the last 3 days of the campaign that the dam burst for Reagan.
JellyToast on October 10, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Well, I guess as a sort of an aggregate, it can raise enough questions in enough peoples’ minds.
Next week, move on to Rezko. Then to Wright. Or ACORN.
But other than that, I can’t see this thing being damaging.
lorien1973 on October 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM
I wanna meet the 2% of Republicans who say Ayers make them more likely to vote for Obama.
Typhonsentra on October 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM
But the question is. Who is Reagon? McCain or Obama?
lorien1973 on October 10, 2008 at 4:44 PM
The importance of this is NOT that “OMG Obama’s middle name is Hussein he’s ebil!” but the simple fact that any information whatsoever that could put even the tiniest dent in the Obamination’s paint job is being suppressed and deflected… even something as harmless as his name. THAT is the big problem with this tidbit. Just a little thing, but proof of much bigger problems… get THAT news out into the open.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 10, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Sorry, but Obama is playing it smart by staying silent on the eocnomy…
McCain and the Bush Admin are going whole Hog Socialist… which will turn a lot of Moderates, and Conservatives, off…
Bambi says nothing, even though he IS a Socialist…
Its a win for Bambi UNLESS McCain can get the MEDIA to start asking Barry for specifics on his plan…
Romeo13 on October 10, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Does anyone think libtards are going to smear Sarah Palin any less if she runs in 2012? Her son won’t be any less Downs Syndromey, so they will keep saying shes a bad mother unless she locks herself in her house and devotes herself to watching him every second of her life.
Speedwagon82 on October 10, 2008 at 4:52 PM
If voters don’t care that Obama shares a similar ideology with a domestic terrorist who regrets not killing more Americans, it also means this election is over.
I wonder if the poll asked the same people if they even know who Ayers is?
xblade on October 10, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Yes, but if she runs in 12 she won’t have to tow McCain’s line. She’ll be free to go on the attack and be the Barracuda she is.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 10, 2008 at 4:56 PM
I wonder how they feel about Gordon Libby.
lexhamfox on October 10, 2008 at 4:56 PM
I’ve watched what they do and I think they know what they’re doing: they’re selling off America to the highest bidder.
snaggletoothie on October 10, 2008 at 5:04 PM
I think McCain should have let Palin do the attacks on Ayers. He should have been attacking the ACORN/ FM/FM democrat ties to Obama.
Of course he also should have voted no on the bailout to separate himself from the Democrats.
Corsair on October 10, 2008 at 5:38 PM
SarahCuda needs to walk out onto the ice Saturday night and bust Lundqvist right in the chops.
csdeven on October 10, 2008 at 5:42 PM
So, you agree that McCain should continue to do what he has been doing since the debate?
Good for you.
csdeven on October 10, 2008 at 5:46 PM
I honestly don’t see how Obama’s longtime association with Ayers doesn’t turn the stomach of any normal American. I can only come up with two reasons why:
1. The media is completely covering for Barry
2. The typical American simply isn’t very patriotic
We all know #1 is happening bigtime. I will be truly afraid if I’m right about #2.
Slightly O/T, but I would really love for some 527 to start putting out ads ripping the MSM to shreds over their egregious bias. Winning elections and getting the message out will never get any easier unless we can blow up the current media and get fairer coverage.
hump1201 on October 10, 2008 at 6:04 PM
I wonder if they know his actual name.
Jim Treacher on October 10, 2008 at 6:15 PM
There’s an interesting thread at Ace of Spades where he asks PUMAs for their input. Comments are worth reading. Such as this one:
(excerpted) I’m a 25 year old college grad female working in a non profit and residing in a blue state. Here’s a hint I’ve always voted for Lieberman. This is about stopping OBama and for me getting HRC on the ballot in 2012. You don’t have to think we matter that’s fine, but if you want to gain more HRC supporters you have to buck up.
Go PUMAs!
Y-not on October 10, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Moral bankruptcy
BDS?
Moral relativity?
Cynicism is at the core of a persons willingness to give anyone a pass on associating with a terrorists. Their values inform their actions.
csdeven on October 10, 2008 at 6:30 PM
Yeah. It’s fun taking things out of context. :D
Seixon on October 10, 2008 at 6:57 PM
I don’t trust polls, especially from the Obama media shills! Case-in-point the latest Newsweek poll showing Obama up 11% is heavily weighted toward likely democratic voters by…30%!!
Here are Newsweeks demographic stats for that poll:
SAMPLE SIZE/MARGIN OF ERROR FOR REGISTERED VOTERS SUBGROUPS:
1,035 Registered voters (plus or minus 4)
280 Republicans (plus or minus 7)
402 Democrats (plus or minus 6)
325 Independents (plus or minus 7)
839 White (plus or minus 4)
175 Non-White (plus or minus 9)
491 Men (plus or minus 5)
544 Women (plus or minus 5)
126 18-34 (plus or minus 10)
159 35-44 (plus or minus 9)
434 45-64 (plus or minus 6)
283 65+ (plus or minus 7)
247 White Evangelicals (plus or minus 8)
191 White Catholics (plus or minus 8)
401 Other whites (plus or minus 6)
230 Hillary Clinton supporters (plus or minus 8)
In addition to sampling error, the practical difficulties of conducting surveys can also introduce error or bias to poll results.
These polls are obviously an Obama campaign and complicit media tactic to discourage us from voting if they can convince us it is futile and McCain can never overcome Obama’s lead!
Don’t let them BS you, be sure to get out there and vote because it ain’t over ’till it’s over!
Liberty or Death on October 10, 2008 at 7:00 PM
lorien:
Just yesterday in Wisconsin McCain did name names. Honestly, there is just no pleasing some people.
First people complained that he did not talk about FM and then when he did they complain about how he talked about it.
Terrye on October 10, 2008 at 7:13 PM
One thing about Palin, she can help raise money.
If McCain had picked Romney instead of Palin and then ended up behind 3 weeks before the election, people would be saying If only McCain had the balls to pick Palin instead of that cold fish Romney!
Terrye on October 10, 2008 at 7:20 PM
I still trust Zogby above all others. He has the race in a dead heat and said it looks exactly like the Reagan/Carter election until Reagan pulled ahead 3 days before the vote.
Zogby appears to be the most un-biased of all the pollsters.
slug on October 10, 2008 at 10:16 PM
So, the same 50,000 people are following Palin around the country?
Mr. Wednesday Night on October 11, 2008 at 3:11 AM
Re: The Hockey drop: Rough Philly sports fans and the protests outside the pub during debate one were exactly my prime concerns when I heard she was going to do this. I pray she’ll do okay. (BTW, this could work for her. Anyone wanna see Obama strap on skates in a public arena? It’ll probably look about as Dukakisian as his bowling or his bike ride…)
Second, I have refrained from commenting about Sarah Palin’s looks here, but the picture on the Politico article is one of the most charming candids I’ve seen of her. She’s the real deal.
Captain Scarlet on October 11, 2008 at 6:15 AM
Great to see McCain standing there with Phil Graham at his side. Talk about dangerous associations.
lexhamfox on October 12, 2008 at 4:34 AM
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