Connecticut Supreme Court legalizes gay marriage
posted at 2:05 pm on October 10, 2008 by Allahpundit
A done deal, and given Connecticut’s deep blue electorate, one not likely to be overridden by amendment.
Probably good for McCain, though.
The Supreme Court released its historic ruling at 11:30 a.m. Citing the equal protection clause of the state constitution, the justices ruled that civil unions were discriminatory and that the state’s “understanding of marriage must yield to a more contemporary appreciation of the rights entitled to constitutional protection.”…
In a statement released minutes after the decision was announced, Gov. M. Jodi Rell said she disagreed with it, but uphold it. She said she was proud to sign the state’s civil unions law in 2005, the first in the nation enacted without a court mandate, and thought it was “equitable and just.”
“The Supreme Court has spoken,” Rell said. “I do not believe their voice reflects the majority of the people of Connecticut. However, I am also firmly convinced that attempts to reverse this decision — either legislatively or by amending the state Constitution — will not meet with success. I will therefore abide by the ruling.”…
The opposition will now turn its sights to the November election, when voters will be asked whether the state should convene a constitutional convention. “Connecticut voters will have one opportunity on Nov. 4 to reassert their right to self government. We must vote yes.”
Here’s the opinion. Skip ahead to page 21 for the crux of it, declaring gays a “quasi-suspect class” for purposes of the state’s equal protection jurisprudence. What “class” you are pretty much determines as a rule whether you can be discriminated against by law; if you belong to a class that’s “suspect,” i.e. historically powerless and persecuted, then the legislature has virtually no leeway against you. The Connecticut Supremes decided they couldn’t call gays a fully “suspect” class because the U.S. Supreme Court hasn’t declared them that (yet), so they opted for “quasi-suspect” based on four factors: (1) historic discrimination, (2) whether sexual orientation is related to one’s ability to contribute to society (this is here to give the state extra power to regulate the disabled), (3) immutability of sexual orientation, i.e. is it a choice or is it inborn and thus unchangeable, and (4) whether gays lack political power, which starts on page 28 and is the most interesting section of the four.
All in all, the analysis is similar to the California Supreme Court’s, which also used an equal protection argument to strike down their state’s marriage statute. The fatal blow for gay marriage opponents is the fact that the state already allows civil unions for gay couples; I think laypeople look at that and assume that that means the state, having acted in good faith, will be given the benefit of the doubt when gays inevitably sue for full marriage rights, but as I’ve tried to explain before, it doesn’t work that way. To discriminate by law, you need a good reason. Admitting that gays should be entitled to all the same rights as married couples but not the label of “marriage” itself forces the court to conclude that the distinction is purely semantic, and semantics simply ain’t good enough as a “good reason.” From page 62:
Although we acknowledge that many legislators and many of their constituents hold strong personal convictions with respect to preserving the traditional concept of marriage as a heterosexual institution, such beliefs, no matter how deeply held, do not constitute the exceedingly persuasive justification required to sustain a statute that discriminates on the basis of a quasi-suspect classification. ‘‘That civil marriage has traditionally excluded same-sex couples—i.e., that the ‘historic
and cultural understanding of marriage’ has been between a man and a woman—cannot in itself provide a [sufficient] basis for the challenged exclusion. To say that the discrimination is ‘traditional’ is to say only that the discrimination has existed for a long time. A classification, however, cannot be maintained merely ‘for its own sake’ [Romer v. Evans, supra, 517 U.S. 635]. Instead, the classification ([that is], the exclusion of gay [persons] from civil marriage) must advance a state interest that is separate from the classification itself [see id., 633, 635]. Because the ‘tradition’ of excluding gay [persons] from civil marriage is no different from the classification itself, the exclusion cannot be justified on the basis of ‘history.’ Indeed, the justification of ‘tradition’ does not explain the classification; it merely repeats it. Simply put, a history or tradition of discrimination—no matter how entrenched—does not make the discrimination constitutional . . . .’’ (Citation omitted.) Hernandez v. Robles, supra, 7 N.Y.3d 395 (Kaye, C. J., dissenting)…It is only because the state has not advanced a sufficiently persuasive justification for denying same sex couples the right to marry that the traditional definition of marriage necessarily must be expanded to include such couples. If the defendants were able to demonstrate sufficient cause to deny same sex couples the right to marry, then we would reject the plaintiffs’ claim and honor the state’s desire to preserve the institution of marriage as a union between a man and a woman. In the absence of such a showing, however, we cannot refuse to follow settled equal protection jurisprudence merely because doing so will result in a change in the definition of marriage.
Exit question: Time to start talking about Obama’s judicial appointments?










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Holy bat crap, I am speechless. A first.
Will Jeremiah Wright be running FEMA?
HornetSting on October 10, 2008 at 5:31 PM
“Civil unions” are a stepping stone to homosexual marriage. As soon as anyone whines that their civil union is not equal to marriage a judge will say that its discriminatory and institute homosexual marriage in its lieu.
I’ve been saying that for months but only today did Allahpundit, a lawyer, surmise basically the same thing:
aengus on October 10, 2008 at 5:32 PM
I would have been disappointed if you hadn’t. That was a setup.
right2bright on October 10, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Well that’s what you get when you stand in the light of the G.O.D. Internet Messenger.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 5:33 PM
I’m really please that CT has taken this step. Gay marriage is inevitable over the next two decades for the rest of the nation including Utah and Wyoming. I just hope that a few years from now the social cons will give up on this small issue and not take some Republican politicians with them on a pointless crusade heading towards defeat.
thuja on October 10, 2008 at 5:33 PM
whats amusing, but so typical is the pro-gay types can only scream about how its their ‘right’ they have no logical arguments, no history on their side. nor do they accept the will of the people as stated by their representatives, oh no, they are perfectly fine with a court deciding what is right and what is wrong….a court once decided slavery was OK too.
like the good liberals they are, the ends justifies the means…
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 5:33 PM
You won’t get an argument from me. I like voting, but it was Coulter who made the point that without women, we’d get Republicans in office.
Which is why I think so little of those two groups. No one is ignoring them. They’re widely regarded as the worst mankind has to offer by all except those who agree with them completely.
Esthier on October 10, 2008 at 5:33 PM
I prefer women – which leaves the boys and girls for you.
ManlyRash on October 10, 2008 at 5:33 PM
A few centuries ago, Catholic teaching included burning heretics at the stake. Are we still doing that? Catholics actually deserve some credit for building some flexibility into their doctrine.
That’s a pretty dismal description of the human experience. One of the things Christianity got right – “Man can’t live on bread alone.”
RightOFLeft on October 10, 2008 at 5:33 PM
notice how we didn’t have the courts impose that upon us. it was actually done through democracy!! what a quaint notion…
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 5:34 PM
So why not call everyone’s civil “marriage” a “civil union,” straight or gay? A state sanctioned “civil union” grants all the legal rights and responsibilities. If you want to “marry,” then you do that in a church. Then everyone is equal under the law.
DCGamer on October 10, 2008 at 5:35 PM
oh yeah right…
you piece of trash…
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 5:36 PM
You’re like some strange, fundamentalist troofer or something…
JetBoy on October 10, 2008 at 5:36 PM
I can almost hear the dulcet tones of Pee-Wee Herman: “I MEANT to do that.”
ManlyRash on October 10, 2008 at 5:36 PM
You (a) have no farking clue who I am and (b) have no farking sense of humor
ManlyRash on October 10, 2008 at 5:37 PM
That wiped out? I may need to bring a friend then to make sure I can manage. Surely you don’t mind?
Esthier on October 10, 2008 at 5:38 PM
you piece of trash…
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 5:36 PM
HornetSting on October 10, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Also thankfully, Catholic hypocrisy, loyalty to mammon, persecution of minorities, service to tyrants, selective edititing and translation of source texts, etc. are all also voluminous, specific, and ageless.
Viscount_Bolingbroke on October 10, 2008 at 5:39 PM
truth is you gays want to impose a type of gay sharia law, where any statement, or act, that you disapprove of is outlawed. we see it in overseas, we see it with a photographer in Arizona who didn’t want to photograph a gay wedding, a doctor in CA who didn’t want to artificially inseminate a lesbian..
you’re a bunch of nazis plain and simple…and gay ‘marriage’ is just a way to criminalize christianity, which you HATE above all other things…no surprise there..
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Nah… Farakhan gets FEMA.
Wright gets to be Treasury Sec. and is in charge of taking care of all slavery reparations.
Ayers….Homeland Security chief.
SaintOlaf on October 10, 2008 at 5:40 PM
oh yeah pedophilia is a just a laugh a minute!! sure.
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 5:40 PM
You hear that JetBoy? You want to kill us all. How dare you? If it weren’t for right4life, many of us would never know the awful truth.
Esthier on October 10, 2008 at 5:40 PM
ManlyRash on October 10, 2008 at 5:37 PM
your on fire Manly- keep ‘em cuming- i mean coming….
kareyk on October 10, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Have you been reading my comments? There are plenty of reasons for an atheist not to want homosexual relationships endorsed as an alternative to heterosexual ones.
Count to 10 on October 10, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Slavery in Biblical times was more akin to an indentured servitude. Essentially you would oath obedience to your master in exchange for fair living conditions and a wage. It was different in significant ways from the Arab, European, and American varieties of slavery later which were more cruel and had no real way out.
There is no Biblical up or down on monarchical authority in and of itself. (Aside: Our Current King appears to be George Soros.)
Most of the people not reading the Bible do so out of choice. Some revel in their ignorance, and then tell me what Catholics believe…
But the point remains. Judaism is one of the oldest world religions, and as such has been expounding upon moral matters in all of recorded history. Murder, Despotism, and Exploitation remain as wrong now as they were then. There are passages about the mistreatment of slaves and passages about unjust kings. Justice has always been good and Evil not so.
Perhaps “Fairness” has shifted over the ages. For instance, 2000 years ago if you were poor and had nowhere to go, pledging yourself to another who would provide you shelter and wages in exchange for obedience and work was a fair deal. Now that each person has the resources to work for themselves, people balk at the idea of slavery. But there are still slaves. They are on welfare, and enslaved to a crueler master than most human beings.
BKennedy on October 10, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Wrong. Where do you think political correctness originates? From the Frankfurt School, a Marxist think-tank that fled Germany when Hitler came to power to safety in America. I studied Critical Theory in college and had to write essays on Theodor Adorno, Horkheimer and Marcuse.
Marcuse especially, who wrote Eros and Civilization while living in New York, formulated the ideas that substituted Marx’s working classes (small-town American never went for Communism) with minorities; women, blacks, bored rich college students, to get his ideas practically applied.
His ideas helped to midwife the sexual revolution (Eros and Civilization introduced the idea of fornication as liberation), the Vietnam protest era, Women’s Studies and most lastingly political correctness.
The idea that Christian ideas are protected by PC is a sick joke. The more power the cultural left gains the more Christians are marginalised. I include you in the cultural left as your moniker, RightOfLeft, implicity suggests that you are only right-of-centre of the prevailing leftist orthodoxy in a culture that is ever drifting leftward.
aengus on October 10, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Don’t worry. I keep the extra-large bottles under the bar.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 5:47 PM
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere’s Godwin!
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 5:48 PM
you really are clueless.
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Secular Humanist, I take it.
What is your opinion of the moral philosophies of Hitler, Stalin, and Mao? There was a lot of hedonism, information control, service to tyrants, and persecution of minorities there. And they hated Catholics and Catholicism. Must be because none of those things are enshrined in Catholic teaching or history.
If you’re trying to say that Catholics throughout the ages have been fallible sinners:
Duh. That’s part of Catholic dogma too, idgit.
BKennedy on October 10, 2008 at 5:48 PM
and you did have to lie about what i said…let me guess you’re a good liberal!!
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Everyone is already equal under the law. The confusion between civil rights, political rights and the right to whatever you feel is astounding. A healthy society is very discriminating.
For instance why not allow anyone who wants to emigrate anywhere they want to be allowed as a human right, as a prominent lesbian Dutch Government Minister suggested last week?
aengus on October 10, 2008 at 5:51 PM
Yes. So am I. So is Allah, Ed, and Michelle Malkin. We’re all liberals. That’s why we agree with each other. You’ve outed us.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 5:52 PM
Oh…beeeehaaaave. Yeeeeahhhhhhh baybeeeeeee….
ManlyRash on October 10, 2008 at 5:52 PM
go ahead and show me where Michelle agrees with gay marriage…
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 5:53 PM
Farkin’ PWNED him, BK.
ManlyRash on October 10, 2008 at 5:54 PM
Let me make sure that I get this right, “right,” everyone who disagrees with you is a liberal, a gay, and a nazi? Did you want to throw anything else in? Perhaps unpatriotic? How about evil?
Please re-read your comments with a critical eye. Don’t you think they are a bit childish? At the very least, they are mean spirited. Ad hominem attacks are certainly not intelligent.
Just because I am strenuously disagreeing with you on this issue, you cannot imply that I am any of the above. Have I said one word about trying to impose some kind of speech code? Have I in any way disparaged Christianity? I disagree with your particular extremist interpretation of the Bible, but I have not disparaged Christianity.
DCGamer on October 10, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Unlike liberals, conservatives have a brain and they USE IT! They can make up their own minds as to what they believe. They don’t just mouth liberal talking points.
HornetSting on October 10, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Right again. The fact that we agree on every other issue is meaningless. This one issue determines the whole of reality. You’re either against gay marriage, or you’re a FEMA Nazi planning on killing 90% of the population.
You so SMART!
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Oh, this one’s a keeper. I’m printing that out…that’s good comedy!
heh…You know how hard it is to goose-step and sashay at the same time? The overthrow of Christianity is tough work ya know haha…
JetBoy on October 10, 2008 at 5:55 PM
I feel like having fun. What is the age that determines a male who desires younger women is no longer a pedophile? Is it 17? 16? 15? 14? 13? 12? 11?
Do tell.
ManlyRash on October 10, 2008 at 5:57 PM
uh moron, I’ve already mentioned several cases that show everyone just what the gay agenda is all about. you cannot disprove it.
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 5:57 PM
thanks for proving my earlier point about the age of consent…the gays hate it when we mention that since gay marriage is ok, why not marry children? who decides what is or is not pedophilia….
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 5:59 PM
Was that the fema nazi camps or the gay sharia? I lost track.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 5:59 PM
The Almighty says: Don’t change the subject, just answer the f**king question.
ManlyRash on October 10, 2008 at 6:00 PM
12:40 am Eastern
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
Alliance Defense Fund attorneys filed suit against the City of Elmira, N.Y., after police threatened to arrest three Christians if they did not remove a shirt and stop sharing biblical messages during a “gay” pride event at a public park.
John Barnes wore a shirt with the message “Liberated from sin by the blood of Jesus” to the Southern Tier Pride 2008 at Wisner Park – a June 14 event promoted as a celebration of homosexual, bisexual and transgender lifestyles.
According to the complaint filed in a U.S. district court, Elmira police Capt. Michael Marrone ordered Barnes to remove his shirt to prevent a “negative atmosphere” at the event and arouse discomfort in other attendees.
link
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 6:01 PM
dont even need to comment — i can just read and it’s fun.
poor poor right4life, damn it mucst suck to be you.
your_worst_enemy on October 10, 2008 at 6:01 PM
As have I.
aengus on October 10, 2008 at 6:02 PM
In related news, Barney Frank commented on the economy today:
“I gave Fannie a well-deserved pounding today, and I’m vewy glad we’ve found a hard bottom in the market.”
misterpeasea on October 10, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Did you eat lead paint chips as a child? Geez, “the gay agenda”, huh? That’s rich.
HornetSting on October 10, 2008 at 6:02 PM
make me.
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Evil…they are eeeeevvvvvilllll…
ummmm, you don’t know where Jetboy lives do you? Have you ever had a restraining order against you?
You don’t know where I live do you? If you do, I think what you are saying ss right, would never argue with you…if you don’t, you are one of the freakin craziest people I have ever seen post here.
You see, I think Obama was wrong for not walking out on his pastor…I think your pastor is wrong for not walking out on you…
right2bright on October 10, 2008 at 6:03 PM
you’re as dumb as dirt. you don’t think gay marriage is part of the gay agenda??? duhhhhhh
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 6:03 PM
I missed that, he must have slipped that in through the back door…
right2bright on October 10, 2008 at 6:04 PM
huh? what are you babbling about now?
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 6:04 PM
There are some white “Christian” churches that want to get rid of black people. Does that make white separatism part of a Christian agenda?
Some gay people may want to do what you propose. Do you honestly believe that all gay people support that? Stop talking about some monolithic “gay agenda.”
This post is about the court decision in Connecticut specifically and gay marriage in general. Please try to stay on point.
DCGamer on October 10, 2008 at 6:05 PM
I think that’s a case-by-case determination. For example, in Mohammed’s case, it’s 6. No, it’s 9. He married a six year old, and waited til she was 9 to consummate. You know what he was thinking when he married her?
If only 6 was 9.
misterpeasea on October 10, 2008 at 6:05 PM
No excuse for that sort of fascism. The shirts should have been allowed to stay. Of course what they are protesting is perverse, and Christians who oppose it have every right in this country (so far) to say so.
ManlyRash on October 10, 2008 at 6:05 PM
you know what I really enjoy? Driving down the freeway, going the speed of traffic, and being passed by a car with one of those Jesus fishes on it — only the car with the fish, it’s usually going about 10-15 miles over the speed limit.
Funny how that works.
your_worst_enemy on October 10, 2008 at 6:05 PM
You know, I think this thread has devolved.
And, oddly enough, I don’t think I had anything to do with it.
Darn.
Count to 10 on October 10, 2008 at 6:05 PM
at least I’m not dumb ugly and stink too.
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Won’t go there.
ManlyRash on October 10, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Then you must hate police too, huh? They were the ones who made them remove the shirt. Nice job, they were just trying to maintain peace and make sure the Christians didn’t take a pounding.
You can’t put every person in a neat box and say they are all the same. You are truly a moron. And I’m gonna say it, a bigot. Do you belong to that church in Kansas that protests soldier’s funerals?
HornetSting on October 10, 2008 at 6:06 PM
DUHHHH? Haven’t heard that since fourth grade. You are a bigot that can’t see past his own ass.
HornetSting on October 10, 2008 at 6:07 PM
|| Some gay people may want to do what you propose. Do you honestly believe that all gay people support that? Stop talking about some monolithic “gay agenda.”
yes dcgamer, that is what that person thinks. methinks youve forgotten all of the other comments right4life has made around here.
your_worst_enemy on October 10, 2008 at 6:07 PM
So how long have you borne this hatred toward Christians?
ManlyRash on October 10, 2008 at 6:07 PM
uh all conservative christians are accused of that…whats your point?
well why don’t you list the gay organizations that opppose gay marriage?
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 6:07 PM
are you as fat as you are stupid?
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 6:08 PM
Well that certainly pricks my interest. I’m sure Candy and I can come to Madison sometime soon to take advantage.
Just make sure you’re juice is stocked as well. We may be in the mood for Sex on the Beach by the time we get there.
Esthier on October 10, 2008 at 6:08 PM
Opponents of homosexual marriage can justify their stance with reference to the Bible and the common good. Can white separtist churches? Not that I expect you to provide a scriptural defence for your strawman.
aengus on October 10, 2008 at 6:08 PM
I think youve got it backwards.
your_worst_enemy on October 10, 2008 at 6:09 PM
yeah christians talking is disturbing the peace…next christians living is disturbing the peace…nice.
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 6:09 PM
This court ruling has nothing to do with “rights” and everything to do with trying to rid society of religion. Those judges know full well that they have not given anyone a “right” they didn’t already have.
They have ruled that MORALLY it is wrong to believe that sin is sin. And to teach your children that sin is sin will soon be against the law.
If you disagree, what “right” does anyone get from this ruling?
The brand new right to live with another adult of your choice? The brand new right to visit your loved one in the hospital? The right to inherit? Not one new right was given. Those rights already existed.
The only thing this ruling did was say what was correct religous teaching. This is state religion.
petunia on October 10, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Oooh, that stung. Are you as retarded as you are mouthy?
HornetSting on October 10, 2008 at 6:10 PM
Not so sure. Your screen name is a big clue.
ManlyRash on October 10, 2008 at 6:11 PM
must have, or you wouldn’t have commented on it.
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 6:11 PM
You are missing the point, you moron. You cannot put ALL people in a monolithic group, like all hispanics want amnesty, all blacks like Obama, okay bad analogy, all gays want to burn Christians. Though I don’t believe that christians should have been shunned from protesting, you are completely off in your summation of “all gays and their agenda.”
HornetSting on October 10, 2008 at 6:12 PM
Ease up there, Miss Hornet. This one means well but is a little, um, light in the hay loft – if you get my drift.
ManlyRash on October 10, 2008 at 6:13 PM
Shall I treat you like a troll and ignore you. You are getting on my nerve.
HornetSting on October 10, 2008 at 6:13 PM
You’re misinterpreting the phrase “gay agenda”. It does not mean that all homosexuals are pushing for an overhaul of society – who said anything about “monolithic”?. A small number of homosexuals are pushing a very aggressive legislative agenda. A few lawyers is all it takes folks.
aengus on October 10, 2008 at 6:13 PM
ManlyRash,
thats a bit of leap dont you think? Do YOU have a rash in your jock? gimme a break.
your_worst_enemy on October 10, 2008 at 6:14 PM
And now you’ve resorted to horrible “yo mamma” jokes.
Wait, guys, I think we should stop picking on right4life. I think we’re picking on a child, and that just seems mean.
Esthier on October 10, 2008 at 6:14 PM
Oh come on, a little roll in the hay loft never hurt anyone.
HornetSting on October 10, 2008 at 6:14 PM
California’s highest court has ruled that doctors in the US state cannot discriminate against gay patients on the basis of religious belief.
The decision was made after two Christian doctors refused to artificially inseminate a lesbian undergoing fertility treatment.
so much for freedom of religion…
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 6:14 PM
wishful thinking…
given that I make you look stupid on the regular…not that its very hard…
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Exactly the point I am trying to make to this idiot.
HornetSting on October 10, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Sorry, aengus, but you are wrong. The lawyers defending the state of CT could not use the Bible to support their case in civil court. That leaves the “common good.” Obviously a majority of the justices in CT believed that the “common good” supported allowing gays to marry.
Have you watched the poll results over the years regarding gay issues. People in this country are becoming more and more tolerant and even welcoming of their gay brothers and sisters. Majorities in most states do not yet support full marriage equality, but in most states majorities support non-discrimination in the workplace clauses and other issues.
It is just a matter of time before all states recognize gay marriage. This is a losing issue for you.
DCGamer on October 10, 2008 at 6:15 PM
The sky is falling. The sky is falling.
HornetSting on October 10, 2008 at 6:16 PM
alright moron, give me the names of the gay groups that do NOT support gay marriage…
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 6:16 PM
ManlyRash on October 10, 2008 at 6:00 PM
the age of consent is when the young lady has hair and enough sense to consent- that would be over 15. ttyl JPC ;)
kareyk on October 10, 2008 at 6:16 PM
yeah who cares about the will of the people or the elected representatives…all that matters is what the judges say!
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 6:17 PM
Yes. That is what is going to happen all over the place. A church in New Jersey was threatened about tax status when they refused to perform a marriage.
This is so much deeper than simplyly applying termnology. This is developing a state religion that will control all religions. This is bad.
But look on the bright side it shouldn’t be long now until the Lord comes…
petunia on October 10, 2008 at 6:17 PM
right4life, last year there was outcry over Muslim cabdrivers refusing to take passengers that had alcohol with them. The cabdrivers called it a “freedom of religion” issue.
Do you afford the cabdrivers the same freedoms you want those doctors afforded?
your_worst_enemy on October 10, 2008 at 6:17 PM
First of all right4life is not an idiot. Second of all he did not claim anywhere that all homosexuals were in on the “gay agenda”. It was a talking point thrust upon him.
aengus on October 10, 2008 at 6:17 PM
I will wear every insult you throw at me as a badge of honor.
Esthier on October 10, 2008 at 6:18 PM
thank you! its interesting to notice that the libs here have to distort my positions to make a point. they cannot defend their position otherwise.
nor can they name a gay group that opposes gay marriage.
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 6:19 PM
Not up on the gays like you, apprently. Sorry.
HornetSting on October 10, 2008 at 6:20 PM
whatever makes you happy ‘honey’
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 6:20 PM
I was responding to what was presented as a moral argument. People don’t say “Oh you hate gays so you must hate blacks?” as a legal argument.
I don’t like the constant shifting from moral to legal arguments back and forth as if they were interchangeable. Its very slippery.
aengus on October 10, 2008 at 6:20 PM
aengus,
perhaps you havent been here long enough to know that this right4life’s favorite topic on this blog.. and thats NOT a talking point that was thrust upon him. Its a mantra, that he’s repeated in countless other “homosexual marriage” posts. In fact, in EVERY one he’s been a part of, the whole gay sharia, final solution, gay agenda thing. Its ALL his, he owns it around it here.
your_worst_enemy on October 10, 2008 at 6:20 PM
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