Connecticut Supreme Court legalizes gay marriage
posted at 2:05 pm on October 10, 2008 by Allahpundit
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A done deal, and given Connecticut’s deep blue electorate, one not likely to be overridden by amendment.
Probably good for McCain, though.
The Supreme Court released its historic ruling at 11:30 a.m. Citing the equal protection clause of the state constitution, the justices ruled that civil unions were discriminatory and that the state’s “understanding of marriage must yield to a more contemporary appreciation of the rights entitled to constitutional protection.”…
In a statement released minutes after the decision was announced, Gov. M. Jodi Rell said she disagreed with it, but uphold it. She said she was proud to sign the state’s civil unions law in 2005, the first in the nation enacted without a court mandate, and thought it was “equitable and just.”
“The Supreme Court has spoken,” Rell said. “I do not believe their voice reflects the majority of the people of Connecticut. However, I am also firmly convinced that attempts to reverse this decision — either legislatively or by amending the state Constitution — will not meet with success. I will therefore abide by the ruling.”…
The opposition will now turn its sights to the November election, when voters will be asked whether the state should convene a constitutional convention. “Connecticut voters will have one opportunity on Nov. 4 to reassert their right to self government. We must vote yes.”
Here’s the opinion. Skip ahead to page 21 for the crux of it, declaring gays a “quasi-suspect class” for purposes of the state’s equal protection jurisprudence. What “class” you are pretty much determines as a rule whether you can be discriminated against by law; if you belong to a class that’s “suspect,” i.e. historically powerless and persecuted, then the legislature has virtually no leeway against you. The Connecticut Supremes decided they couldn’t call gays a fully “suspect” class because the U.S. Supreme Court hasn’t declared them that (yet), so they opted for “quasi-suspect” based on four factors: (1) historic discrimination, (2) whether sexual orientation is related to one’s ability to contribute to society (this is here to give the state extra power to regulate the disabled), (3) immutability of sexual orientation, i.e. is it a choice or is it inborn and thus unchangeable, and (4) whether gays lack political power, which starts on page 28 and is the most interesting section of the four.
All in all, the analysis is similar to the California Supreme Court’s, which also used an equal protection argument to strike down their state’s marriage statute. The fatal blow for gay marriage opponents is the fact that the state already allows civil unions for gay couples; I think laypeople look at that and assume that that means the state, having acted in good faith, will be given the benefit of the doubt when gays inevitably sue for full marriage rights, but as I’ve tried to explain before, it doesn’t work that way. To discriminate by law, you need a good reason. Admitting that gays should be entitled to all the same rights as married couples but not the label of “marriage” itself forces the court to conclude that the distinction is purely semantic, and semantics simply ain’t good enough as a “good reason.” From page 62:
Although we acknowledge that many legislators and many of their constituents hold strong personal convictions with respect to preserving the traditional concept of marriage as a heterosexual institution, such beliefs, no matter how deeply held, do not constitute the exceedingly persuasive justification required to sustain a statute that discriminates on the basis of a quasi-suspect classification. ‘‘That civil marriage has traditionally excluded same-sex couples—i.e., that the ‘historic
and cultural understanding of marriage’ has been between a man and a woman—cannot in itself provide a [sufficient] basis for the challenged exclusion. To say that the discrimination is ‘traditional’ is to say only that the discrimination has existed for a long time. A classification, however, cannot be maintained merely ‘for its own sake’ [Romer v. Evans, supra, 517 U.S. 635]. Instead, the classification ([that is], the exclusion of gay [persons] from civil marriage) must advance a state interest that is separate from the classification itself [see id., 633, 635]. Because the ‘tradition’ of excluding gay [persons] from civil marriage is no different from the classification itself, the exclusion cannot be justified on the basis of ‘history.’ Indeed, the justification of ‘tradition’ does not explain the classification; it merely repeats it. Simply put, a history or tradition of discrimination—no matter how entrenched—does not make the discrimination constitutional . . . .’’ (Citation omitted.) Hernandez v. Robles, supra, 7 N.Y.3d 395 (Kaye, C. J., dissenting)…It is only because the state has not advanced a sufficiently persuasive justification for denying same sex couples the right to marry that the traditional definition of marriage necessarily must be expanded to include such couples. If the defendants were able to demonstrate sufficient cause to deny same sex couples the right to marry, then we would reject the plaintiffs’ claim and honor the state’s desire to preserve the institution of marriage as a union between a man and a woman. In the absence of such a showing, however, we cannot refuse to follow settled equal protection jurisprudence merely because doing so will result in a change in the definition of marriage.
Exit question: Time to start talking about Obama’s judicial appointments?
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you should try reading the bible sometimes…
Matthew 10:34
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 2:56 PM
I addressed that in my post. Did you not read it all the way through?
Including for pedophiles?
That’s extremely cynical. I would think that if he truly loves her so much that he wants to marry her, no substitution would suffice.
Besides, men and women have been known to make exceptions when the opposite sex is not around such as in prison, segregated militaries, boarding schools, etc.
Esthier on October 10, 2008 at 2:57 PM
Yes. The institution of marriage was killed before the gay marriage push started gaining steam. This is just the final nail in the coffin, just like one can see the top of a real estate market when foreigners start buying things up.
I just can’t agree with you on the two-party thing. The only reason marriage was two parties was because it was one from each sex, with nothing to do with economics. It was more a question of assuring that incest does not become rampant from having too many kids from the same dad running around in the same place. Other than that (once the idea of genders is taken away) it doesn’t matter what number sign on.
progressoverpeace on October 10, 2008 at 2:57 PM
You never cease to amaze. You’ve had some pretty harsh words for Catholicism in the past, where do you get off even mentioning the Eucharist?
JetBoy on October 10, 2008 at 2:58 PM
The solution in that case would be outlaw no-fault divorce not to plunge into the abyss of homosexual marriage and polygamy.
aengus on October 10, 2008 at 2:59 PM
One of the specific difference Christ had with Mosaic law was remarriage after divorce. U.S. marriage laws differ from Christ’s teaching in that regard.
dedalus on October 10, 2008 at 2:59 PM
How dare you.
How dare you, you sanctimonius charlatan.
People like you are exactly the kind of scum-sucking cowards using religion to flesh out their neuroses that give morons like Rosie O’Donnell ammunition to talk about “fundamentalist Christianity”. Thanks a bundle, pal. You’re helping the anti-religious zealots break down the decent principles that Christianity has contributed to our society through your extremist, hellfire-and-brimstone claiming to know the will of God.
Learn about the sin of pride. Maybe then you’ll realize that you have a lot of atonement to do.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 3:01 PM
Officer: Sir, our right engine is losing power!
Captain: Cadets! Blow up the right wing!
BKennedy on October 10, 2008 at 3:01 PM
That would be a metaphor. Jesus wasn’t actually inciting violence against Rome. Or did you forget what Jesus said when Peter actually tried to use a sword?
“Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.”
The same law that spoke against eating pork but that Jesus told Peter to ignore in a vision? That one?
Esthier on October 10, 2008 at 3:02 PM
I do think that no fault divorce is a problem, to be sure.
But I cannot simply force myself to care what other people do with their outies or innies. If it doesn’t affect me and there are no victims, I just simply don’t care.
Someone else signing a piece of paper, does not diminish your marriage before your god at all.
And I wish conservatives would get their head out of their ass (so to speak) and realize that there are bigger fish to fry than this sort of thing.
lorien1973 on October 10, 2008 at 3:02 PM
…spoken like a true c*cks*ck*r….
…not wanting marriage to be clawed down to the level of a fashionable perversion isn’t “homophobia”…it isn’t a “phobia” at all, as defined as a “persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation”. I’m not afraid of homosexuals, nor do I have any aversion to them.
I simply see the methods they’re willing to resort to in order to get their way in the face of the majority’s stated will…and I just don’t think, given their use of these methods, that they deserve to win. Period.
I don’t like seeing villains prosper.
It’s about language…the homosexual lobby can’t, on a personal level, figure out reproductive physical mechanics…and yet heterosexuals — both on the side of junior high school biology and of the angels — are the ones with the “phobia”…all because we didn’t give them what they wanted when they wanted it…as you have to do with an infant to keep him from bawling….
…so, they thwart the will of the majority and refer, as in Massachusetts, California, and now Connecticut, to judicial fiat…there’s a bitter minority that really understands how democracy works….
Puritan1648 on October 10, 2008 at 3:02 PM
Evolution/Creation and this issue are the two biggest reasons why people are falling away from conservatives.
This is a libertarian country. People just want to be left alone – financially and socially. Get out of my life, get out of my wallet.
That should the republican rallying cry.
lorien1973 on October 10, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Thanks, E. As usual, a voice of reason.
JetBoy on October 10, 2008 at 3:04 PM
obviously a lot of things in the US differ from Christ’s teachings…and He explained what He really wanted, which was no divorce at all. Just as He didn’t want a king in Israel, but He gave them one anyway…your point is??
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 3:05 PM
A man might marry his second, or third, choice if his first love rejects him. Seldom does a man propose to a woman and when rejected chose to marry a man instead. In prison he might resort to gay sex or masturbation but he would act on his attraction to women upon leaving prison.
dedalus on October 10, 2008 at 3:05 PM
No offense, lorien, but libertarians aren’t the end all be all. If they were really all that popular, they’d be able to win an election here and there.
Esthier on October 10, 2008 at 3:05 PM
John 13:35
But I’m sure he meant love only certain ones, and stick the rest in camps and kill them. /sarc
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 3:05 PM
Bigger fish than jurists ruling by fiat and forcing it on the rest of us? Regardless of what one thinks about gay marriage, the issue is judges making up laws and imposing them on society.
The “equal protection” argument is a total joke, and that should be a big issue to all.
progressoverpeace on October 10, 2008 at 3:05 PM
Who do you think you’re fooling Jetboy?
Making the false claim that homosexuality is approved by the Roman catholic Church is a very serious thing Jetboy.
In reality…Roman Catholicism does NOT allow homosexuality.
If you confess and repent in order to take the Eucharist but have no intentions of changing your behaviour whatsoever, then your confession and repentance is false and worthless.
You should not be allowed to take communion.
Who is your priest?
Father Pfleger?
He should be excommunicated.
SaintOlaf on October 10, 2008 at 3:06 PM
you’re the one who needs to get your head out, and see what the homosexual agenda has in store for this country, especially for christians.
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 3:06 PM
Too many libertarians are focused on getting their drugs legalized. That’s the problem. They don’t have a coherent message other than “dude, can I smoke that?”
lorien1973 on October 10, 2008 at 3:07 PM
Amazing how despicable some people are that agree with you on most other issues.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 3:07 PM
So, you are sure your “preferences” haven’t drifted at all since then? Before you have any real experience?
I got to thinking about this after I realized that I had actually managed to change what women I found attractive just from concern over which I should be attracted to.
Are you sure you are really thinking about it? How you have to turn the wheel just so to keep yourself from falling? If you were just thinking about it, you wouldn’t be able to do it. Your subconscious motor control, however, has learned what to do, giving your conscious mind a limited set of nobs and dials to control it.
This seems to make my point, not yours.
Count to 10 on October 10, 2008 at 3:07 PM
The economy has collapsed, and socialists are preparing for a takeover of all three branches of the government, but hey damn those fundie, bible thumping, gun toting, food growing, energy producing, Christians. Who the hell needs them on their side.
DFCtomm on October 10, 2008 at 3:07 PM
why don’t you tell us about the final solution you have in mind for christians..
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 3:08 PM
Wow, that is quite a precedent from the court. Doesn’t this open the door for the inclusion of all kinds of arrangements in the “traditional definition of marriage”?.
What business has the court to expand the “traditional definition” anyway, shouldn’t it be concerned with the government or “legal” view of marriage instead?
neuquenguy on October 10, 2008 at 3:08 PM
I’m not saying that sodomy will affect you or me. People can do what they like behind closed doors and all that BUT…
It will diminish the entire surrounding society. I mentioned no more prom kings and queens. Lots of other unforeseen consequences will unfold also.
If Canada is any indication then mere moral objections like the ones on this thread could be deemed evidence of criminal activity. That is very serious.
aengus on October 10, 2008 at 3:09 PM
What could possibly go wrong other than a sewer state sinks deeper?
Now the Sodom state of MA has Gamorrah, CT right over the state line. Rhode Island should be the next to bend over.
Hening on October 10, 2008 at 3:10 PM
That is an idiotic argument.
I called Jetboy on his BS.
I guess you think it’s ok if someone goes around saying “BEASTIALITY IS APPROVED BY CHRISTIANITY…I PRACTICE BEASTIALITY AND I AM IN FULL COMMUNION!”
SaintOlaf on October 10, 2008 at 3:10 PM
If there is a god, you are no vessel of him. You know nothing of his will, intent, or plan. You are all that creates the likes of Wahhabists. You give faith a bad reputation, and I don’t even hold any faith. Too many good people are ridiculed for theirs every day because of dregs like you.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 3:10 PM
Point is that Christ was silent on gay marriage. However, if we assume that he was against it why should that have more of an impact on U.S. law than his position on divorce where he explicitly differed from Mosaic law?
dedalus on October 10, 2008 at 3:11 PM
I don’t completely agree with you, but I’m sick of seeing Christianity trampled this way. I believe there are arguments for homosexuality being against Christianity, but that’s just not it.
Besides, ultimately I believe sin is simply disobeying God. If you and God are alright on this issue, then you can’t be sinning. I also believe the opposite is true. For instance, I don’t consider drinking alcohol a sin (not in and of itself, though I do believe it can be sinful), but some people do. I believe that those who consider it a sin, actually do sin when they drink.
Everything I understand about Christianity tells me that it’s the intent and heart of the issue that matters (especially Matthew 5). Legalism was never Christ’s aim, and I’ll always fight against it.
Esthier on October 10, 2008 at 3:11 PM
and you KNOW this because??? talk about hubris…
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 3:11 PM
Typical non sequiter argument. We’re discussing sex between human adults and human adults, and you’re talking about humans screwing animals.
It typically takes a mind fascinated with the concept to introduce it as some sort of point.
What the hell does that mean?
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 3:12 PM
Put aside Evolution/Creation for a moment and reflect that on the cultural issues conservatives such as yourself are to the left of Obama. This is really radical stuff.
aengus on October 10, 2008 at 3:12 PM
Because if there is a god, some jackass on an internet comments section isn’t going to be their messenger.
Now that’s something I have faith in.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 3:13 PM
Good job Connecticut SC. May gay marriage be similarly upheld across the nation.
I can’t believe I’ve never noticed that second “c” in Connecticut before…..have I been mispronouning the state all these years? Is the middle “c” silent? I am having a WTF moment here…..
LimeyGeek on October 10, 2008 at 3:14 PM
You seem to get quite a kick out of judging me and making blanket statements…who needs to cite quotes and facts when you are the absolute moral authority…
SaintOlaf on October 10, 2008 at 3:15 PM
OK, you made me laugh. I’m not sure that’s the whole reason, but it’s certainly plausible.
So that establishes that a preference is still there, but that’s the same if the man is able to marry the first one he wanted to marry.
He’ll settle for another girl, but if the first one changes her mind, he’ll likely go with her instead. That happens all the time.
Esthier on October 10, 2008 at 3:16 PM
Yeah, damn those gays for causing all of this…*SIGH*
Where did I EVER say the RC Church condoned homosexuality? Don’t preach to me about Catholicism, as you are clearly not a Catholic.
I’m pretty sure the Vatican will take into account your suggestion that my confession, which is none of your business, and my acceptance of the Holy Eucharist, again…none of your business…is worthless.
JetBoy on October 10, 2008 at 3:17 PM
Not sure how erotic dreams make your point that sexual attraction a conscious function rather than something that begins involuntarily. Also, with the bike the body develops motor control both consciously and unconsciously. Any biker, golfer, skier knows that if you have to think about what you are doing then you aren’t very good.
Have my attractions drifted since puberty? Sure, but always toward women. I’m attracted to my wife and I tell myself consciously not to be attracted to other women, but I do get kicked under the table if I stare at the waitress for a second too long.
dedalus on October 10, 2008 at 3:17 PM
Christ was NOT silent on gay marriage.
He said that in the beginning he made marriage for one man and one woman and that the two flesh would become one flesh.
SaintOlaf on October 10, 2008 at 3:17 PM
He thinks you want to get rid of us.
Esthier on October 10, 2008 at 3:17 PM
I claim only the knowledge that you are not one of God’s interpreters, and that you are a deluded creep daring to judge other’s viability to have faith and be part of a community. Where the hell do you get off? Free country where we are free to worship as we please. Your candor would be better served in 17th century Massachusetts, methinks.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 3:17 PM
since we don’t follow mosaic law either, what difference does His alleged differences with mosaic law matter?
I hate to tell you, but Christians believe Jesus always existed…and that He is the One who inspired both the Old and New testament..
as far as gay marriage, it wrecks traditional marriage, its purpose it to outlaw christianity…as we have seen in other countries…
link
the effect on out-of-wedlock births is undeniable, and we all know the resulting increase in crime that accompanies this.
so you don’t need religious reasons to oppose gay marriage
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Christ was probably a latent homosexual. After all, he was the son of god and had no need for procreation, so that swingin’ door was wide open for some sweaty greek jesus-lovin’ action.
LimeyGeek on October 10, 2008 at 3:19 PM
That’s nonsense. The teachings of Christ, the core of Christ’s beliefs were founded in deuteronomic law. Homosexuals engaging in same sex antics were stoned to death, period. There was no deep discussion in first century Palestine when it came to cross dressing or same sex bumping ugly.
Paul reflects this in the NT and takes the same principles that Christ based his mission rooted firmly in the Hebrew Law. Christ did not change the Law, he simply directed attention to how it was meant to benefit mankind. Twisting, diminishing and fabricating biblical truths might pass the bump test in the Episcopal church, but it’s also the reason the church is all but defunct as a Christian source of worship.
Hening on October 10, 2008 at 3:19 PM
heh…yea, middle “c” is silent. We nutmeggers don’t pronounce our “t”s either. Those are always silent.
JetBoy on October 10, 2008 at 3:19 PM
More blanket statements…
You don’t need no stinkin facts!
SaintOlaf on October 10, 2008 at 3:19 PM
Ummm…okay. I just basically made the argument that Jesus was against violence, evidenced by his command for mankind to “love one another”, but I guess it came across as…what, kill all the Christians?
Fundamentalists. Oy.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 3:20 PM
neither would someone who was a shepherd for 40 years…nor an out-of-work carpenter who wanders around…right.
you don’t have a clue.
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 3:20 PM
I think the point is that it’s the dreams that reinforce the sexual preference for women.
I think his point is similar to the point made in South Park when the Internet had to be rationed. Stan’s dad, Randy, “needed” Internet porn in a bad way and just couldn’t sexually function without all the messed up stuff online because of all the time he spent online.
Basically, you fill your head with stuff that eventually changes your arousal.
But it’s his point, not mine, so I can’t really answer for him.
Esthier on October 10, 2008 at 3:20 PM
I’ve talked to you before, wacko.
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 3:21 PM
Coming from a religious fundamentalist, the irony in that assertion is juicy.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 3:21 PM
I’m all about economic freedom. You can pin me left on social issues, I don’t care.
Without economic freedom, you’ll lose your other ones anyways.
So enjoy.
lorien1973 on October 10, 2008 at 3:21 PM
legalized Gay Marriage
Another dagger of Liberal Incremantalism thrust into the back of America.
Libetarians, enjoy your soon-to-be Third World cesspit where anything goes.
pseudonominus on October 10, 2008 at 3:22 PM
Good. Conservatives need to drop this dead stinking dog now, regardless of endless pontification about judicial activism or whatever other red herring that you can come up with. Let them get married. Move on.
INFDL on October 10, 2008 at 3:22 PM
…there is a problem in the US, highlighted a few years ago by a prominent Catholic theologian…I wish that I could remember his school, or even his name, but I vividly remember the article I read. He is quoted as saying that the Catholic priesthood in the US was becoming a gay men’s club.
That’s a fact on the ground, so much so that Benedict XVI’s people put out a while ago that this has got to change…and he received resistance from priests here in the US. So much for infallibility….
…mind you, I’m not sure if he was speaking “ex cathedra” in this case, or just trying to straighten out the herd…but papal authority used to count for something…and, while not a Roman, I have a lot of respect for this Pope….
Neither Rome nor Christianity in general condone homosexuality, seeing it as a sin. Period. That said, we’re not supposed to be abusing sinners. We’re all sinners ourselves, after all, and have our own favorite transgressions. That’s why it says in Matthew 6:14-15 “For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
…so, forgive….
…but don’t anybody go and try and tell me that it isn’t a sin. The Episcopals, the UCC, pretty soon the ECLA, and other once-upon-a-time churches have tried that, and look where they are.
Homosexuality is a sin. There are some overlaps between civil offenses and biblical sins, but we live in a civil society, and obey the laws we commonly frame.
…to then frame a law by judicial fiat is, then, not so much an offense against the moral calling of those Christians amongst us, but rather is an offense against the civil order we as citizens should rush to preserve.
The Conn. court didn’t just ignore the call of general morality, which it must be said is not their preserve…they themselves, in legislating fromt he bench, wounded the rule of law. They made themselves into a black-robed oligarchy.
…for that, they should be held to account.
Puritan1648 on October 10, 2008 at 3:22 PM
Yeah, well, he thinks the ultimate purpose of pushing gay marriage is to outlaw Christianity by punishing us with hate crime laws that will eventually lead to us being gassed or something.
Esthier on October 10, 2008 at 3:22 PM
Okay, I just want to get this on record.
You believe that if there comes a messenger of God, he would spend his time posting on the comments section of a political website.
Heh. Now that’s some faith right there.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 3:22 PM
How unusual for a thread on gay marriage to take such a conversational turn. I would never have believed it until I saw it with my own eyes. Shocking.
I’ll have to burn a bible to cleanse my spirit tonight.
LimeyGeek on October 10, 2008 at 3:23 PM
You should save that for your Islamic masters over in UK. Might save your life when they come to get you for posting on the internet.
Christ is such an easy target for cowards, while the rich tapestry of Mohamed the true prophet of the distorted and perverted is feared.
Hening on October 10, 2008 at 3:23 PM
It’s all for you. Enjoy.
LimeyGeek on October 10, 2008 at 3:23 PM
Yes, I’m the wacko who doesn’t think a messenger of god will spend his time on the comments section of a political website.
I’m just so cwwwaaaaazy!
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 3:24 PM
Fiscal conservatives and neocons have been telling us to shutup or go away for several years now, so I don’t feel bad about telling you the same thing. If we are headed where I’m afraid we’re headed then you need us much more than we need you. Shutup or go away you’re time has passed.
DFCtomm on October 10, 2008 at 3:24 PM
yeah only YOU know His mind, you are HIS oracle, the new-age MESSIAH.
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 3:24 PM
Of course you are right that one doesn’t need to make the argument on religious grounds.
I’m aware that Christ was always around since Christ is God and God has always been around. He did become man for 33 years and was quoted during that time for attribution. It would seem that God would make sure that his recorded words during those 33 years were among his most important points.
dedalus on October 10, 2008 at 3:24 PM
you’re good for a few laughs, thats about it.
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 3:24 PM
Nope sorry, my Degree in Theology won’t allow you to try to pull that one. If it was that the town’s men just wanted to be overtly sexual, then why did they reject the offer of having sex with Lot’s daughters? They specifically wanted homosexual sex, not just any sex.
I recommend you quit reading popular culture Theology and actualy study the text yourself, it is a huge problem, both with Christians and with secularists who talk about the Bible and Theology: They’re talking out their arse.
Tim Burton on October 10, 2008 at 3:25 PM
They’ll have to swim a few thousand miles to the west to catch me.
In the meantime, I’ll be fiendishly corrupting the fabric of christian society. In between coffee breaks.
LimeyGeek on October 10, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Yep.
JetBoy on October 10, 2008 at 3:26 PM
This argument should be about the judiciary sticking their nose into something they have no right to rule on. This is exactly what will happen if democrats get control of the White House.
Forget about the religious aspect of this. Homosexual conservatives should be on the same side of this as libertarians and heterosexual conservatives.
Vince on October 10, 2008 at 3:26 PM
oh please this is laughable. lets see, His last words were in Revelation…so you think those are His most important words? His first words were in Genesis, and He sure went to a great deal of trouble to preserve those words for all that time…
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 3:26 PM
What a disgusting, offensive statement
..and yes the middle ‘c’ is silent.
aengus on October 10, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Was she a skanky ho?
LimeyGeek on October 10, 2008 at 3:26 PM
…no.
…let those wanting to change 5000 years of social tradition and custom change the laws in the accepted ways. Let them petition, and let the majority decide. That’s the way things work here.
If they can’t get their way, it isn’t a matter of “hate” or some other insulting shibboleth…they can’t win on the merits of their case, let them suck it up (no pun intended) and drive on.
The court in Connecticut overstepped its bounds here.
Puritan1648 on October 10, 2008 at 3:26 PM
I’ve never claimed any of that, liar. Feel free to prove me wrong.
In the meantime, I just want to confirm: You believe if that if a messenger of god exists in this world, he would be spending part of his time posting on the comments section of a political website?
Simple yes or no.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 3:27 PM
Britain accepted gay marriage.
There were knocks on the door of Christian adoption agencies telling them to allow gays to adopt or face litigation. Check it at Michelle’s site.
Massachusetts accepted gay marriage.
There were knocks on the door of Christian adoption agencies telling them to allow gays to adopt or face litigation.
Furthermore, the school administrators in MA have been allowing homosexual activists to put into curriculum for 2nd graders books that legitimize gay relationships. They have told parents that what the schools teach is not there concern.
This is a pattern.
Gay marriage is not about marriage. It is about control and domination. You WILL accept them or the homofascists WILL come knocking.
BKennedy on October 10, 2008 at 3:28 PM
Did people dream about the Internet 1,000 years ago? Probably not so much. Exposure to the Internet fuels the desire. However, 1,000 years ago people were having dreams about sex. In some cases people have erotic dreams before they even know what sex is–though in today’s culture that is rare.
dedalus on October 10, 2008 at 3:29 PM
I agree, but remember that the best thing about Christianity is that they will not react with violence, like radical Islam will.
By the way, if you still haven’t seen it, I still have Fitna uploaded at my worthless blog.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 3:29 PM
lol I can almost smell your indignation.
Smells like…..turnip.
LimeyGeek on October 10, 2008 at 3:29 PM
With cultural Marxism you’ll also lose all your freedoms, including economic.
aengus on October 10, 2008 at 3:29 PM
Oh, please. When gay people start decapitating straight people, go right ahead with that crap. Until then, get a grip.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 3:30 PM
No, she was a virgin.
Esthier on October 10, 2008 at 3:30 PM
Not quite. I believe he was pointing out that taking Jesus’s silence on homosexual behavior as an endorsement would be equivalent to taking his silence on bestiality as an endorsement.
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Oddly enough, the prohibition against homosexual behavior in Leviticus does not extend to women.
Not that this has any effect on my reasons for disapproving of ff marriages.
Count to 10 on October 10, 2008 at 3:30 PM
Yes I’ve taken care not to insult LimeyGeek, just to point out how vile his statements are.
Yes I’ve seen it. Geert Wilders is one of my favourite politicians.
aengus on October 10, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Whoa, if there were an irony meter at HA it would have just went off the charts.
crr6 on October 10, 2008 at 3:31 PM
yeah that same one that He said he came to fulfill…you know the one with the 10 commandments…please.
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Oh. She probably wouldn’t have done a good job then.
LimeyGeek on October 10, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Who needs decapitation when you’ve got the Barry Manilow Youth? Your children will be watching you, making sure you aren’t a homophobe. Because teacher told them so.
BKennedy on October 10, 2008 at 3:31 PM
read your own posts, moron. you claim to know who is and who is not speaking for God. in order to do that you must be speaking for Him.
YES he probably would. simple enough for you?
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 3:33 PM
1. Gay marriage is passed nationwide.
2. “Disparaging” words against homosexuality is deemed HATE SPEECH.
3. Religions which condemn homosexuality are OUTLAWED!
Christians who do not get with the program and deny Jesus Christ are fed to the lions by the millions in sports stadiums throughout the country. (or gassed in FEMA camps or however their planning on doing it nowadays)
SaintOlaf on October 10, 2008 at 3:33 PM
Then you know that Sodom is mentioned 48 times in the Bible…and never in those 48 passages is homosexuality given as the cause of God’s judgment. Feel free to prove otherwise.
JetBoy on October 10, 2008 at 3:33 PM
What classic gay nonsense. The gay bishop of New Zealand tried that line at Lambeth. The distorted logic is that the gays of Sodom raped men, and that raping guests is naughty. Exegesis from a sinner does not a biblical truth make. Same sex attraction resulting in carnal fudge packing is what caused the destruction of Sodom.
Hening on October 10, 2008 at 3:33 PM
Vile. Truly vile.
I’m just riffin’ on all you predictable, god-botherin’ dullards. You’re hilarious. It’s almost too easy. Sad really.
LimeyGeek on October 10, 2008 at 3:34 PM
Then I would think the “love one another” rule would usually overrule all others. I may have never gotten too much of that kind of education during my elementary and middle school days at St. Andrews Catholic School, but I sure read up on my own. I’m of the inclined to think “if there is a god, then he’ll sort them out” and “if he is god, he doesn’t need any help from you to do so.” Just my $0.02.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2008 at 3:35 PM
yes you’re so superior, so smug such an intellectual…you’re just a legend in your own mind!!
amusing, but delusional.
right4life on October 10, 2008 at 3:35 PM
LimeyGeek’s sick wet dream come true.
SaintOlaf on October 10, 2008 at 3:35 PM
3 down, 47 to go.
RightOFLeft on October 10, 2008 at 3:35 PM
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