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Obama to McCain: Why won’t you say it to my face?

posted at 1:09 pm on October 9, 2008 by Allahpundit
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All he wants to do is to talk about the financial crisis, except of course that when he had the chance to do that in front of millions, he had nothing to offer except the stalest, most banal talking points.

In any case, I’m intrigued that he’s calling Maverick gutless, as it pretty much obliges McCain to come after him during Wednesday’s debate. Why he’d want to force an issue into the discussion that could hurt him escapes me, unless (a) their internal polling shows that Ayers is a total non-issue, of which I’m skeptical, or (b) he figures McCain’s going to come after him anyway and he might as well throw a punch now. The new Gallup’s just out, incidentally; I’m guessing the answer’s (a). Click the image to watch.

Update: Yeah, probably (a).

Update: Dave Weigel notes that Ayers has already been an issue in a few swing states and hasn’t paid dividends. Which is true, but there’s a huge difference in amplitude coming from McCain himself than from some 527 ad.


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Cool. Team “Brownshirt” Obama is championing the cause of “getting in their face” just like he instructed his brownshirt youth to do out on the trail.

Is it me, or does the “Ralphie/Flick triple dog dare” seem awfully childish coming from a man child?

Seriously, how is Jesse Jackson’s underling viable for the POTUS? He just told his opponent to get in his face….lol.

Meanwhile back at the batcave, Chanrles “Chunk” Schumer is disappointed that the Chamber of Commerce is not giving the DNC more money, so therefore it is no longer a bipartisan entity. Its ok Chunk, ya’ll have Fannie & Freddie Mac covered, do you really want another?

TheHat on October 9, 2008 at 1:44 PM

Valiant on October 9, 2008 at 1:43 PM

Continue it, Mav ends up doing some masterful flying and shooting down the enemy jets, thus saving the fleet.

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Jack Cashill has been chronicling an Ayers link to “Dreams From My Father” since September. It’s enlightening reading.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 9, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Cool. Team “Brownshirt” Obama is championing the cause of “getting in their face” just like he instructed his brownshirt youth to do out on the trail.

That is how ACORN operates. Fits the narrative.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 9, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Its ok Chunk, ya’ll have Fannie & Freddie Mac covered, do you really want another?

TheHat on October 9, 2008 at 1:44 PM

‘course he does. He wants them all. He wants his preciouses!

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 9, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Grue in the Attic on October 9, 2008 at 1:39 PM

See, this is EXACTLY why Obama wants McCain to bring this up at the election. First of all, Ayers was never a mentor to Obama. They worked on a project together.

There’s nothing to show that Obama shares Ayers more radical beliefs. There’s nothing to show that Obama believes what Ayers did in the past was anything but abhorrent.

There’s nothing to show that Obama would give anyone like Ayers a position in his White House. And I don’t think people think he would.

People have seen and heard Obama on the campaign trail for over two years. The sum of those months have given him the democratic nomination and a (in some polls) double digit lead over McCain.

People obviously like him. People don’t see him as a radical. He doesn’t come off as a radical. He’s never said anything that shows himself to be a radical. He comes off and very even-tempered, studious and intelligent.

Throwing this Ayers connection at Obama is a desperate attempt to paint Obama as someone who he is not. Classic guilt by association. I don’t think the American people will fall for it.

Tom_Shipley on October 9, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Kafir on October 9, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Exactly!!!
It doesn’t matter that McCain was exonerated, all The One has to do is bring it up and people will believe it.
I really don’t think that the undecided voter cares about the Ayers connection any more, it’s been too played out.

McCain really needs to hammer away at the PROVEABLE connections between Obama and FM & FM. This is what is on peoples minds right now and they’re not getting the truth about who is to blame from the mainstream media. Tell people not to just believe him but to research it themselves and to ‘follow the money’.

Also, Obama said in the last debate that he “sent a letter to Paulson about his concern over Fannie and Freddie”. Where is this letter? How come no one has been able to confirm that he actually sent such a letter?

AZ_Mike on October 9, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Obama wouldn’t be taunting him to throw a punch unless he had a counterpunch ready to go. I wonder what it is?

SnarkVader on October 9, 2008 at 1:21 PM

Osama Obama’s “counterpunch” will be a farrago of “ummms” and outright lies. Which he knows will be totally supported by the MSM’s “fact-checkers.”

The fact that Obama has hung with bombers/traitors, felons, ethnic-cleansing thugs (Odinga) and vile race-hustlers is bad enough. No other candidate would have made it one-tenth as far without the protective coloration of his skin.

McCain is honorable and has served his country. Obama has served himself and Marxism. Can there even be a single doubt which one should be president?

MrScribbler on October 9, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Not in this movie. He has never demonstrated that kind of balls in the political arena (unless he is shooting down conservatives).

Valiant on October 9, 2008 at 1:47 PM

seem awfully childish coming from a man child?

Good point, it’s unseemly even for a professional politician.

What next, Obiffy will challenge Mac to see who can run to the end of the block first? Which of them can do the longest wheelie? Dare him to eat a bug?

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Not in this movie. He has never demonstrated that kind of balls in the political arena (unless he is shooting down conservatives).
Valiant on October 9, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Have faith, brother, Maverick went from self-absorbed loner to team player, salvaging victory in the end.

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 1:49 PM

Tom_Shipley on October 9, 2008 at 1:47 PM

You poor thing. How have you ever managed to hold down a job with this raging case of headupyerassitis?

AubieJon on October 9, 2008 at 1:50 PM

First of all, Ayers was never a mentor to Obama. They worked on a project together.

You don’t launch your political career from the living room fo someone you just “worked on a project” with.

People have seen and heard Obama on the campaign trail for over two years. The sum of those months have given him the democratic nomination and a (in some polls) double digit lead over McCain.

People obviously like him. People don’t see him as a radical. He doesn’t come off as a radical. He’s never said anything that shows himself to be a radical. He comes off and very even-tempered, studious and intelligent.

Because the media has painted him that way. Anything at all deterrent of this viewpoint is crushed, pushed aside, and ignored.

Throwing this Ayers connection at Obama is a desperate attempt to paint Obama as someone who he is not. Classic guilt by association. I don’t think the American people will fall for it.

Tom_Shipley on October 9, 2008 at 1:47 PM

And I think the American people are smarter than you Dems give them credit for.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 9, 2008 at 1:50 PM

I’ve had my fill, someone else can take a shot. I’m off for lunch.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 9, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Are you watching the LiveStream on FoxNews.com of the McCain/Palin townhall forum going on right now???

These people are fired up and they want McCain and Palin to get tough.

It’s awesome…tune in!

ConMom on October 9, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Or…

c) He thinks McCain is a pussy Senator who won’t have the gonads to come after Obama on anything like this.

That’s the one I’d chose if I were Obama.

Kasper Hauser on October 9, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Tom_Shipley on October 9, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Nice spin move. Problem is, you just threw up a brick right in front of the goal.

Ayers & Obama were on the CAC Board together. They got $100 million in funding that didnt go to regular school subjects, no, instead they funded radical political stuff with it, and the things it was suppose to go to, tanked.

Experience, judgement, “caring for the kids”, YOU can count on.

You might actually take a gander at what Obama has done in his life, before you sit in front of the Temple of Doom and get hypnotized by him.

I guess it is official, not only can US kids not read or write, they cant even think for themselves anymore.

*farts*

TheHat on October 9, 2008 at 1:52 PM

No need to worry, the MSM will help cover up any little problems that BO has…BTW, in a Socialist society how does the MSM work?

d1carter on October 9, 2008 at 1:53 PM

BTW, in a Socialist society how does the MSM work?

d1carter on October 9, 2008 at 1:53 PM

You know the Publicist the White House has? Whatsherface?

In Socialist US, the MSM becomes the new branch of government and gets her job.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 9, 2008 at 1:54 PM

Maybe McCain didn’t bring it up in the last debate because it wasn’t on the list of questions brought out by the moderator. I am not sure of this since I couldn’t watch the debates, but from a list I saw on another site, this subject wasn’t included. Obama is trying to act tough when he knows the reason was beyond McCain’s control (to some extent).

Torch on October 9, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Ayers effing hand-picked Barack Hussein Obama. How the hell do you not understand “hand-picked” is not the same as “served together.”

Oh, that’s right. Facts are not important to leftists, its how they interpret facts and present them to the public.

F#@$ing postmodernist bu!!$hit. It’s too bad Gramsci and Foucault’s mothers didn’t have miscarriages.

PimFortuynsGhost on October 9, 2008 at 1:56 PM

How can Ayers not be an issue? You can’t just overlook this relationship and say it doesn’t matter…he worked with an unrepentant terrorist, for god’s sake.

This tells me that McCain has to go full bore and connect the dots…he NEEDS to bring up Wright, he needs to bring up Rezko, he needs to bring up the New Party, and tie it all together. Taken together, those things reveal an Obama that is FAR outside the mainstream…his Marxist leaning and radical friends make him well-suited for an Ivy League professorship, NOT Presdent of this great country. McCain needs to make this argument…now.

changer1701 on October 9, 2008 at 1:56 PM

Throwing this Ayers connection at Obama is a desperate attempt to paint Obama as someone who he is not. Classic guilt by association. I don’t think the American people will fall for it.

Tom_Shipley on October 9, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Then why are you bothering posting about it? Why would an Obama supporter like yourself want to stop McCain from making a mistake?

thirteen28 on October 9, 2008 at 1:56 PM

The polling indicates that Ayers is a non-issue because most people currently think he’s a professor that used to be a hippie in the 60’s.

Now that people are starting to become a little bit more educated about Ayers and Obama’s very significant ties to him….

It Will Matter.

Dorvillian on October 9, 2008 at 1:57 PM

BTW, in a Socialist society how does the MSM work?

d1carter on October 9, 2008 at 1:53 PM

Just as now. Voluntary tools to the machine.

lorien1973 on October 9, 2008 at 1:57 PM

Man, I wish Ayers were on our side now!

Get it?

It’s 2 jokes in 1!

lorien1973 on October 9, 2008 at 1:58 PM

People obviously like him. People don’t see him as a radical. He doesn’t come off as a radical. He’s never said anything that shows himself to be a radical. He comes off and very even-tempered, studious and intelligent.

Throwing this Ayers connection at Obama is a desperate attempt to paint Obama as someone who he is not. Classic guilt by association. I don’t think the American people will fall for it. – Shipley

Of course, because he is smart. If his rhetoric hadn’t moved to the right, he’d be dust already. The American people are sadly ignorant. Because they’re falling for the cult of personality, and not realizing they’re getting the wolf in sheeps clothing.

kirkill on October 9, 2008 at 1:58 PM

BTW, in a Socialist society how does the MSM work?

d1carter on October 9, 2008 at 1:53 PM

Just as now. Voluntary tools to the machine.

lorien1973 on October 9, 2008 at 1:57 PM

And if they don’t follow voluntarily in lock step, then they get ridiculed, shamed and marginalized until they do.

kirkill on October 9, 2008 at 2:01 PM

…and which face would you like Maverick to say it too???

pherrman on October 9, 2008 at 2:01 PM

I’m still waiting for a clip of Mav naming Dodd and Frank.

lorien1973 on October 9, 2008 at 2:03 PM

* No evidence of accomplishment beyond his own self promotion
– Failed to produce results in his CAC project w/ Ayers; $50 million pissed away on failed radicalization of school children.
– Failed to produce results in Illinois legislature
– Failed to produce results in US Senate
– Big talk, stunted walk

* The man is soley construction from his own biography because the press refuse to demand the public record (cf.”14. Illinois State Senate records–’not available’” etc, etc.) In the absence of a public record, we can only ask, who does Obama associate with:
– Wright – 20yrs
– Ayers – since ‘85
– Dorhn(sp?) – his wife’s pal – they kinda
– Reid – are you better off now than you were 2 years ago?
– Raines
– Demand Obama’s records be made public – we the people have the right to know. Why are they hidden?

* Itemize the records of accomplishment (O vs Mc). Itemize the years of life experience/activities.

* Put up a picture of Obama and a picture of Hillary Clinton, side by side, along with a few choice quotes by HC from the primary.

* McCain only makes headway when he attacks corruption. Tie Obama to Congress. Go after congress. Throw the bums out. Show some anger.

ignatzk on October 9, 2008 at 2:03 PM

Obama strategy is to make McCain loose his temper so the media can have a field day with him. I think the whole country already knows that Mc Cain does not like Obama at all. I hope Mc Cain keep his cool and Drives Obama NUTS.

pukara61 on October 9, 2008 at 2:03 PM

I think Maverick needs to say it to his face. He needs to lay it out to him as in the hypocritical, anti-American, Maverick and his supporters think Hussein Obama is. McCain comes across like a smiling putz when we’ve got some serious stuff going down. Palen comes across as real and her words are genuine. McCain could be painted as hiding behind her and the adds that call Obama out. Now he needs to pin it on him in person, live and up close. Maverick can do that better than anyone else. Enough with the nice guy stuff.

Hening on October 9, 2008 at 2:04 PM

And if they don’t follow voluntarily in lock step, then they get ridiculed, shamed and marginalized until they do.
kirkill on October 9, 2008 at 2:01 PM

If that doesn’t work, march them out to the paddies, wrap a plastic bag around their head and put a bullet in their neck.

Hope and change.

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Huh. Another person who doesn’t want to see McCain/Palin win, says Ayers is irrelevant. I would have never predicted it in a million years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blake on October 9, 2008 at 2:06 PM

Then why are you bothering posting about it? Why would an Obama supporter like yourself want to stop McCain from making a mistake?

It’s going to come up in the debate. And I want it to, it’s a win for Obama, I think. I’m not delusional enough to think that a post by myself on this site would have any effect on whether McCain would bring this up in the debate on Wednesday.

Ayers & Obama were on the CAC Board together. They got $100 million in funding that didnt go to regular school subjects, no, instead they funded radical political stuff with it, and the things it was suppose to go to, tanked.

I read that’s Kurtz’s (I like how they reference his WSJ op-ed in the new Ayers ad) investigation into the Annenberg Challenge, and while he gets into a little of what the project may have been about, there’s little substance about what the project actually did or how it was implemented. There’s plenty of innuendo in it, but nothing that really shows that Ayer’s more radical propositions on education were implemented in the program or that Obama agreed with them… or if they were part of the program, what exactly were so radical or wrong about them.

There was insinuation that the program was to indoctrinate students with political beliefs, but NO PROOF of that. If anyone has any, I’d like to see it.

Tom_Shipley on October 9, 2008 at 2:08 PM

If that doesn’t work, march them out to the paddies, wrap a plastic bag around their head and put a bullet in their neck.

Hope and change.

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 2:05 PM

I believe the folks Obama has hung with in the past prefer machetes.

McLovin on October 9, 2008 at 2:08 PM

I’m still waiting for a clip of Mav naming Dodd and Frank.
lorien1973 on October 9, 2008 at 2:03 PM

Found it for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zOhG0XCOKw&feature=related

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Hey almost forgot!

Did anyone catch Barry saying and I quote, “I have been running for President for 2 years now”???????

Isnt that kind of a gaffe??????

lets see ran for US Senate, won, then ASAP started running for POTUS. Hmmm, where is that experience again??????

TheHat on October 9, 2008 at 2:10 PM

I haven’t seen as good a liar since Billy Jeff.

roux on October 9, 2008 at 2:10 PM

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Now that’s a campaign slogan!

lorien1973 on October 9, 2008 at 2:10 PM

I was at our western state fair last month. The Republican party booth had McCain – Palin signs. Now, I have never bought a political yard sign before, but I decided to today. It was about 24 x 18 inches. Very noticeable. Carrying around the fair I had at least 7 people come up to me and ask where they could get the campaign sign. I would tell them where the Republican party booth was. I was amazed at the positive response that I got from a surprising number of people in blue state Washington.

Late in the afternoon however I met a Obamakin. This woman saw my sign, came up and asked if I knew about Sarah Palin, I said I knew a bit about her and thought she was pretty cool. This mousey woman then proceeded to tell me she was from Wasilla Alaska and that Sarah Pain wasn’t what she was cracked up to be! She claimed that the city had to hire a manager after she was mayor and clean up her mess. She went on and on about the skating rink that a town that size shouldn’t have. She was starting to really get a bit deranged in her ranting.

I told her that I did know one thing about Sarah Palin. She said “What is that?” I told her that Sarah Pain didn’t relish and revel in killing babies. I thought her eyes were going to pop out of her head! She started sputtering and yelled, “Is that all you care about?” I told her in this particular election infanticide is a big deal. Never have I seen a politician that is so dedicated to killing a baby after it has been born. The woman was still sputtering as I walked away. I guess this is part of the “In Your Face” command from Obama to his followers.

I have been to a number of fairs and other end of summer events. The Obama supporters have been rather in your face scary. To the point that if they knew you weren’t for Obama they would be in your face yelling you down.

Skeptic on October 9, 2008 at 2:10 PM

Holy shit, Mac just went after ACORN. I see some debate items coming here.

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 2:11 PM

In the next debate McCain will directly challenge the lying Marxist and his response will be the usual blustering tirade of obfuscation and endless platitudes. Obama is nothing but a noise machine with absolutely no substance.

rplat on October 9, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Hussein Obama sounds like the bully who’s waiting after school for McCain to throw him a beatin’.

madmonkphotog on October 9, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Tom_Shipley on October 9, 2008 at 2:08 PM

The Annenburg papers were just released a week or so ago… its all now out there in the public domain… MSM is starting to look at it, but they are slow… as usual with anything negative about Barry.

Romeo13 on October 9, 2008 at 2:12 PM

HOLY SHIT! Mac just named Frank and Dodd! HE DID IT!

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 2:13 PM

I have been to a number of fairs and other end of summer events. The Obama supporters have been rather in your face scary. To the point that if they knew you weren’t for Obama they would be in your face yelling you down.

Skeptic on October 9, 2008 at 2:10 PM

So the drones actually do this then?

Hmmm. Fascism sure is fun to experience isnt it?

TheHat on October 9, 2008 at 2:13 PM

I’m still waiting for a clip of Mav naming Dodd and Frank.

lorien1973 on October 9, 2008 at 2:03 PM

He did it – named their names – at the townhall in Wisconsin today. Don’t know if you or anyone can get a clip – if it occurred during the televised portion on Fox or CNN or was just on the livestream.

Mav has not yet begun to fight. You don’t fire your fusillades until the enemy is in range.

It’s reached the point now where the troops are crying out for blood – the questioners were truly fired up as someone up above noted. That’s where you want the people still to be in late October/early November – not already tired out, all the ammo wasted.

Even the grousers and the gripers will be taking their turns when the battle is joined. Some of them I have no doubt will give good service.

CK MacLeod on October 9, 2008 at 2:13 PM

As far as the say it to your face, here is McCain retort back.
“I will say it to your face, ‘you have a affiliation with Ayers’, now you go over to Afghan and say to our soldiers face, that they are killing innocent civilians. We’ll see who is the coward”. You are despicable calling someone a coward, while you are calling our soldiers murderers while they are facing the enemy, you are not ready to be a commander in chief when you accuse our innocent soldiers or murder.

right2bright on October 9, 2008 at 2:13 PM

The best way to explain to the American people why Ayers matters is through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Ayers started this radical not for profit organization whose purpose was to radicalize the Chicago public schools. Ayers picked Obama to run it and gave him between 50-100 million dollars to disperse as Obama saw fit.

The only reason Ayers would do that is if Obama had the same radical ideology as Ayers. You tie all of this together by pointing out that Obama was a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, proving that he shares the same radical political philosophy as Ayers.

This argument is not that hard to understand for the average person. Sarah Palin and John McCain should lay out this argument over and over again in stump speeches to lay the groundwork for bringing it up at the debate as well as give McCain practice making the argument.

eyedoc on October 9, 2008 at 2:13 PM

This is one of the stupidest things (out of many) that Nobama has said. By challenging McCain, Nobama has given him the perfect excuse to address Ayers, Wright, and Acorn, regardless of the questions that Nobama’s MSM whore ask at the next debate.

mtbunji on October 9, 2008 at 2:14 PM

HOLY SHIT! Mac just named Frank and Dodd! HE DID IT!

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 2:13 PM

IT’S ON RUSH!!

Can we keep him doing it?????

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 9, 2008 at 2:14 PM

There are many things McCain should say to his face. He should point right in his face and say,

“I am saddened that America is even considering voting for a socialist, fascist, terrorist loving, America hating coward such as yourself, Barack!”

Grafted on October 9, 2008 at 2:14 PM

I NEED VIDEO EVIDENCE!

Did he call for resignations and investigations?

lorien1973 on October 9, 2008 at 2:15 PM

No shit, Grue, battle is joined. Debate should be a lively one now.

I will admit I’m shocked that he did it.

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 2:16 PM

No shit, Grue, battle is joined. Debate should be a lively one now.

I will admit I’m shocked that he did it.

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Well, Yosimite Sam seems to hint that this is only the beginning, and plans to continue this form of attack:

“I will give you names, and these are only two of the first” – McCain

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 9, 2008 at 2:17 PM

I NEED VIDEO EVIDENCE!
Did he call for resignations and investigations?
lorien1973 on October 9, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Rush is playing it over and over, and he called them “co-conspirators” in creating the financial mess.

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 2:17 PM

The Annenburg papers were just released a week or so ago…

August 26th was a week or so ago???

Tom_Shipley on October 9, 2008 at 2:18 PM

“I will, and it is already a matter of record that Dem members of congress fought against reform… Senator Obama said these kinds of subprime loans are fine with him…. You know their names and you will know more of their names: Senator Barney Frank and Senator Chris Dodd are two of em!”
I can’t type fast enough but that’s what I got from the last playthrough of the soundbite.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 9, 2008 at 2:19 PM

He NAMED NAMES….Rush is saying that he hopes that he doesn’t denounce himself later today.

Also, the guy saying “WE ARE MAD…and YOU TWO NEED TO ATTACK!!”

AND Sarah Palin brought up Obama’s VOTE FOR INFATICIDE!!!!

This day just got REALLY REALLY GOOD!!

Awesome!!

What a town hall meeting.

LordMaximus on October 9, 2008 at 2:19 PM

Keeeeerist! Palin just hammered Obibby on abortion and infanticide.

WTF is going on? This is AWESOME.

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 2:19 PM

I’m preparing.

Obambo is about to get hammered, getting hammered will mean desperation, desperation will mean mistakes, mistakes will mean losing the election and losing the election will mean riots in the streets by frothing libs.

Guns, ammo, flashlight, teargas, mean dog….the list is growing.

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 2:22 PM

WTF is going on? This is AWESOME.

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 2:19 PM

McCain is actually listening. My guess.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 9, 2008 at 2:22 PM

mistakes will mean losing the election and losing the election will mean riots in the streets by frothing libs.

Guns, ammo, flashlight, teargas, mean dog….the list is growing.

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 2:22 PM

“The week after the election will be one for the record books… they are going to IMPLODE.” – Rush

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 9, 2008 at 2:23 PM

Keeeeerist! Palin just hammered Obibby on abortion and infanticide.

WTF is going on? This is AWESOME.

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 2:19 PM

You watching some delayed recording or something? That was so like 20 minutes ago. ;)

CK MacLeod on October 9, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Hey Obama, I’m pretty sure there enough of us in this country who would be more than happy to say it to your face. I’d be happy to start.

Pcoop on October 9, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Senator Barney Frank” … well I’m hoping he didn’t say that. I don’t remember it that way…

CK MacLeod on October 9, 2008 at 2:25 PM

hey guys, off topics here for a moment but I have a question:

what does *eats* mean?

Pcoop on October 9, 2008 at 2:26 PM

You watching some delayed recording or something? That was so like 20 minutes ago. ;)
CK MacLeod on October 9, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Whatever I hear on Rush.

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 2:27 PM

Throwing this Ayers connection at Obama is a desperate attempt to paint Obama as someone who he is not. Classic guilt by association. I don’t think the American people will fall for it. Tom_Shipley

The only desperation, is the massive Obama smear squads skewing the comments sections of truthful posts. You are a perfect specimen of the far left liberal brainwashing. It has sucked the very foundations of your individualism right out of your brains. You will cease to exist in a socialist world. You will become one of the mindless masses who worship false idols. When you look in the mirror, you will not see your self image anymore. You will see the image that Obama wants you to see. The world will change from color to shades of dull gray for you. I feel sorry for those that do not realize this. Obama will not grant you everything you asked for. You will receive nothing like what you want. He will say, “Do as I say, not as I do.”

Be careful of the cup the hands you my friend, one day it may be spiked, and you will gladly drink it up because you thought you were going to be saved.

True salvation comes to those that know where to find it. I suggest you sit quietly tonight and think about what your soul yearns for. It may surprise you.

Kevin in Washington State on October 9, 2008 at 2:27 PM

Rush is playing it over and over, and he called them “co-conspirators” in creating the financial mess.

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Uh, I’ll be in my bunk.

lorien1973 on October 9, 2008 at 2:28 PM

what does *eats* mean?
Pcoop on October 9, 2008 at 2:26 PM

It means to take sustenance, usually by mouth.

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 2:28 PM

what does *eats* mean?

Pcoop on October 9, 2008 at 2:26 PM

It’s Grue’s schtick.

He’s morbidly obese by now, though.

lorien1973 on October 9, 2008 at 2:28 PM

He’s morbidly obese by now, though.

lorien1973 on October 9, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Actually no :) I’ve got the metabolism to handle it ;)

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 9, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Ok, off to mow the lawn now and pickup all the dog Obama laying around.

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 2:30 PM

McCain needs to ask Nobama why he didn’t introduce any legislation to address the sub-prime problem, instead of writing a letter like Nobama claims he did. McCain should also bring up the 04 hearing when the dems accused regulators of trying to lynch Franklin Raines.

mtbunji on October 9, 2008 at 2:31 PM

The Annenburg papers were just released a week or so ago…

August 26th was a week or so ago???

Tom_Shipley on October 9, 2008 at 2:18 PM

You have the proof, now you argue about when they were made public…you crack me up, I can see why Obama has support with people who think like you.
Shipley: I don’t see any proof
Romeo13: They were released a week or so ago
Shipley: A week or so ago???
Romeo13: Okay, longer but the proof is there
Shipley: Papers aren’t fact, because you stated the wrong date
Romeo13: The papers are the proof
Shipley: Facts don’t matter because you said the date wrong
Romeo13: But the date has nothing to do with the papers
Shipley: Doesn’t matter, the date was wrong so I can’t trust anything else.
Romeo13: Do all liberals think this way
Shipley: Yes, that is the only way we can survive
Romeo13: What happens if I say I made a mistake
Shipley: Doesn’t matter, I have a mistake on the record and that cancels all facts.
Romeo13: But the date doesn’t matter
Shipley: It does because you made the mistake and it cancels all facts…cancels all facts…cancels all facts…cancels all facts…

right2bright on October 9, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Click on Grue’s signature line. You’ll get a full explaination.

BillH on October 9, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Kevin in Washington State on October 9, 2008 at 2:27 PM

OK, now tell me the one about Ronald Reagan rising from the dead and appointing an unknown man from Washington State (we’ll call him “Kevin”) to lead the fight against the socialist army that Obama creates after his election to overtake the USA and turn it into Obamaland.

I could listen to the delusional whack-off fantasies of right-wing bloggers all… well, hour. I do have stuff to do.

Tom_Shipley on October 9, 2008 at 2:37 PM

(a) their internal polling shows that Ayers is a total non-issue, of which I’m skeptical, or (b) he figures McCain’s going to come after him anyway and he might as well throw a punch now.

No, the correct answer is: (c) because Obama knows that John McCain is too much of a pussy to say it to his face.

McCain wants to lose this election honorably. That’s all there is to it.

daryl_herbert on October 9, 2008 at 2:39 PM

right2bright on October 9, 2008 at 2:33 PM

I asked for proof. Romeo said the papers were just released last week and time was needed to look through them for the proof (or at least, that was the implication of his post).

But the fact is the papers were released a month and a half ago. They’ve been looked at. I believe Kurtz looked at them.

Again, the biggest claim about the Annenberg Challenge is that one of it’s goals was to indoctrinate kids with political views. I’ve seen the charge many times, but have not seen any proof.

Again, I ask for someone to provide that proof.

Tom_Shipley on October 9, 2008 at 2:40 PM

McCain wants to lose this election honorably.

Fixed that for you.

Tom_Shipley on October 9, 2008 at 2:41 PM

I could listen to the delusional whack-off fantasies of right-wing bloggers all… well, hour. I do have stuff to do.

Tom_Shipley on October 9, 2008 at 2:37 PM

Yeah it is good stuff, but I know it pales in comparison to your side’s unconscious boy-scout whack-off fantasy.

ClassicCon on October 9, 2008 at 2:43 PM

Keeeeerist! Palin just hammered Obibby on abortion and infanticide.

WTF is going on? This is AWESOME.

Bishop on October 9, 2008 at 2:19 PM

OCTOBER SURPRISE!!

Mcguyver on October 9, 2008 at 2:52 PM

I do have stuff to do.

Say hi to Axelrod for us.

Jim Treacher on October 9, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Again, I ask for someone to provide that proof.

Tom_Shipley on October 9, 2008 at 2:40 PM

The date was wrong, so there is no proof, there is no proof, there is no proof.
The date is wrong, so there is no proof, there is no proof, I cannot read what Kurtz wrote, the date was wrong…
Hey Shipley, try this and note the date of the article. They were not released on Aug. 18th. They were set to be released, but then denied.
This sounds like a typical liberal stall, doesn’t it? Maybe they will find the info on Hillary dining room table…

right2bright on October 9, 2008 at 2:55 PM

what exactly were so radical or wrong about them.
Tom_Shipley on October 9, 2008 at 2:08 PM

I am sure there was nothing radical from someone who bombed fellow citizens and forced a woman to get raped by a brother to prove she was “down wit da struggle”. I am sure it focused on the basics.

ClassicCon on October 9, 2008 at 2:56 PM

Hey Shipley, try this and note the date of the article. They were not released on Aug. 18th. They were set to be released, but then denied.

As I said in my previous post, they were released on August 26.

Tom_Shipley on October 9, 2008 at 2:58 PM

Say hi to Axelrod for us.

You’re right, I should be getting paid for this.

Tom_Shipley on October 9, 2008 at 2:58 PM

Maybe McCain didn’t bring it up in the last debate because it wasn’t on the list of questions brought out by the moderator. I am not sure of this since I couldn’t watch the debates, but from a list I saw on another site, this subject wasn’t included. Obama is trying to act tough when he knows the reason was beyond McCain’s control (to some extent).

Torch on October 9, 2008 at 1:55 PM

um, yeah

funky chicken on October 9, 2008 at 3:01 PM

I could listen to the delusional whack-off fantasies of right-wing bloggers all… well, hour. I do have stuff to do. Tom_Shipley

For starters, I’m not Right Wing. I stand on the side of truth.

The connection between Obama and Ayres, lies much deeper than you realize. Sure, the old domestic terrorists days were talked about, but the real connection is the CAC education ideology they both share. To get a glimpse of the future direction an Obama administration would take education, read the speech William Ayres gave in Venezuela. Ayers and his education school comrades are explicit about the need to indoctrinate public school children in the belief that America is a racist, militarist country and that the capitalist system is inherently unfair and oppressive.

Ayers speech to the World Education Forum in Venezuela

Centro Interncional Miranda
Caracas, Venezuela

November , 2006

President Hugo Chavez, Vice-President Vicente Rangel, Ministers Moncada and Isturiz, invited guests,comrades. I’m honored and humbled to be here with you this morning. I bring greetings and support from your brothers and sisters throughout Northamerica. Welcome to the World Education Forum! Amamos la revolucion Bolivariana!

This is my fourth visit to Venezuela, each time at the invitation of my comrade and friend Luis Bonilla, a brilliant educator and inspiring fighter for justice. Luis has taught me a great deal about the Bolivarian Revolution and about the profound educational reforms underway here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chavez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution, and I’ve come to appreciate Luis as a major asset in both the Venezuelan and the international struggle—I look forward to seeing how he and all of you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane. Thank you, Luis, for everything you’ve done.

I also thank my youngest son, Chesa Boudin, who is interpreting my talk this morning and whose book on the Bolivarian revolution has played an important part in countering the barrage of lies spread by the U.S. State Department and the corrupted Northamerican media.

On my last trip to Caracas I spoke of traveling to a literacy class—Mission Robinson— in the hills above the city along a long and winding road. As we made our way higher and higher, the talk turned to politics as it inevitably does here, and someone noted that the wealthy—here and everywhere, here and in the US surely—have certain received opinions, a kind of absolute judgment about poor and working people, and yet they have never traveled this road, nor any road like it. They have never boarded this bus up into these hills, and not just the oligarchy or the wealthy—this lack of first-hand knowledge, of open investigation, of generous regard is also a condition of the everyday liberals, and even many of the radicals and armchair intellectuals whose formulations sit lifeless and stifling in a crypt of mythology about poor people. Everyone should come and travel these roads into the hills, we agreed then—and not just once, but again and again and again – if they will ever learn anything of the real conditions of life here, surely, but more important than that, if they will ever encounter the wisdom and experience and insight that lives here as well.

We arrived at eight o’clock to a literacy circle already underway being conducted in a small, poorly-lit classroom. And here in an odd and dark space, a sun was shining: ten people had pulled their chairs close together—a young woman maybe 19, a grandmother maybe 65, two men in their 40s—each struggling to read. And I thought of a poem called A Poor Woman Learns to Write by Margaret Atwood about a woman working laboriously to print her name in the dirt. She never thought she could do it, the poet notes, not her– this writing business was for others. But she does it, prints her name, her first word so far, and she looks up and smiles— for she did it right.

The woman in the poem—just like the students in Mission Robinson—is living out a universal dialectic that embodies education at its very best: she wrote her name, she changed herself, and she altered the conditions of her life. As she wrote the word, she changed the world, and another world became—suddenly and surprisingly—possible.

I began teaching when I was 20 years old in a small freedom school affiliated with the Civil Rights Movement in the United States. The year was 1965, and I’d been arrested in a demonstration. Jailed for ten days, I met several activists who were finding ways to link teaching and education with deep and fundamental social change. They were following Dewey and DuBois, King and Helen Keller who wrote: “We can’t have education without revolution. We have tried peace education for 1,900 years and it has failed. Let us try revolution and see what it will do now.”

I walked out of jail and into my first teaching position—and from that day until this I’ve thought of myself as a teacher, but I’ve also understood teaching as a project intimately connected with social justice. After all, the fundamental message of the teacher is this: you can change your life—whoever you are, wherever you’ve been, whatever you’ve done, another world is possible. As students and teachers begin to see themselves as linked to one another, as tied to history and capable of collective action, the fundamental message of teaching shifts slightly, and becomes broader, more generous: we must change ourselves as we come together to change the world. Teaching invites transformations, it urges revolutions small and large. La educacion es revolucion!

I taught at first in something like a Simoncito—called Head Start—and eventually taught at every level in barrios and prisons and insurgent projects across the United States. I learned then that education is never neutral. It always has a value, a position, a politics. Education either reinforces or challenges the existing social order, and school is always a contested space – what should be taught? In what way? Toward what end? By and for whom? At bottom, it involves a struggle over the essential questions: what does it mean to be a human being living in a human society?

Totalitarianism demands obedience and conformity, hierarchy, command and control. Royalty requires allegiance. Capitalism promotes racism and militarism – turning people into consumers, not citizens. Participatory democracy, by contrast, requires free people coming together voluntarily as equals who are capable of both self-realization and, at the same time, full participation in a shared political and economic life.

Education contributes to human liberation to the extent that people reflect on their lives, and, becoming more conscious, insert themselves as subjects in history. To be a good teacher means above all to have faith in the people, to believe in the possibility that people can create and change things. Education is not preparation for life, but rather education is life itself ,an active process in which everyone— students and teachers– participates as co-learners.

Despite being under constant attack from within and from abroad, the Bolivarian revolution has made astonishing strides in a brief period: from the Mission Simoncito to the Mission Robinson to the Mission Ribas to the Mission Sucre, to the Bolivarian schools and the UBV, Venezuelans have shown the world that with full participation, full inclusion, and popular empowerment, the failings of capitalist schooling can be resisted and overcome. Venezuela is a beacon to the world in its accomplishment of eliminating illiteracy in record time, and engaging virtually the entire population in the ongoing project of education.

The great Chilean poet Pablo Neruda wrote a poem to his fellow writers called “The Poet’s Obligation” in which he instructed them in their core responsibility: you must, he said, become aware of your sisters and brothers who are trapped in subjugation and meaninglessness, imprisoned in ignorance and despair. You must move in and out of windows carrying a vision of the vast oceans just beyond the bars of the prison– a message of hope and possibility. Neruda ends with this: it is through me that freedom and the sea will call in answer to the shrouded heart.

Let those of us who are gathered here today read this poem as “The Teacher’s Obligation.” We, too, must move in and out of windows, we, too, must build a project of radical imagination and fundamental change. Venezuela is poised to offer the world a new model of education– a humanizing and revolutionary model whose twin missions are enlightenment and liberation. This World Education Forum provides us a unique opportunity to develop and share the lessons and challenges of this profound educational project that is the Bolivarian Revolution.

Viva Mission Sucre!
Viva Presidente Chavez!
Viva La Revolucion Bolivariana!
Hasta La Victoria Siempre!

Like I said earlier, True salvation comes to those that know where to find it.

Kevin in Washington State on October 9, 2008 at 3:03 PM

As I said in my previous post, they were released on August 26.

Tom_Shipley on October 9, 2008 at 2:58 PM

Proof please.

ClassicCon on October 9, 2008 at 3:03 PM

You’re right

We know, dear.

Jim Treacher on October 9, 2008 at 3:04 PM

As I said in my previous post, they were released on August 26.

Tom_Shipley on October 9, 2008 at 2:58 PM

Wrong date, therefore papers are not proof, all facts are canceled…wrong date, all facts are canceled…
You see you can read, you catch these little calendar errors, but you can’t see what is actually written? You can’t understand Ayers and Obama’s affiliation? But you can catch dates.
That was my point, you only see what you want, and you focus on errors that are meaningless.
Thanks for the confirmation…as I said, it give me a better idea of the type of people who support Obama.

right2bright on October 9, 2008 at 3:06 PM

There were papers that were just released last week. Maybe the Woods Foundation? They had been holding back some papers. Whatever they were, they got lost in the market chaos and subsequent emergency legislative sessions of the past week and half. I might go look for it in a bit.

Obama was weaned on Marxism. Frank Marshall Davis. He admits to seeking out radicals in college. He lived in Columbia when Ayers lived in Columbia. No one has even gone there yet. Then he decides to move to Chicago suddenly after Law School? Please. He went there at the behest of Ayers.

Shipley – Ayers is a horrible association. He is only one of many, however. A well established pattern of Obama’s radical friends. If you can’t see that his friendship w/all these people is a problem, then you must have Kool-Aid squirting out your ears!

Davis, Ayers, Dohrn, Rezko, Daley, Wright, Pfleger, Farrahkan, et al.

JAM on October 9, 2008 at 3:06 PM

People obviously like him. People don’t see him as a radical. He doesn’t come off as a radical. He’s never said anything that shows himself to be a radical. He comes off and very even-tempered, studious and intelligent.

Throwing this Ayers connection at Obama is a desperate attempt to paint Obama as someone who he is not. Classic guilt by association. I don’t think the American people will fall for it.

Tom_Shipley on October 9, 2008 at 1:47 PM

What do you expect him to wear a scarlet R on his shirt? He’s a radical who’s trying desperately to keep that little fact a secret and he’s being aided and abetted by the MSM.

Oink on October 9, 2008 at 3:19 PM

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