Was Obama a member of the “New Party”?
posted at 4:48 pm on October 8, 2008 by Allahpundit
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When I saw this at Ace’s, it sounded so familiar that I spent 20 minutes checking our archives for the post I was sure Ed or Bryan had written about it. I was wrong; it wasn’t HA that blogged it, it was Erick Erickson at Red State in early June. Read his background, then see this post at Politically Drunk for evidence that The One was a member. I can’t tell definitively from either just how far left the NP was at the time; it may be that, like a lot of new third parties, they hadn’t quite hammered out a fixed identity yet. Erickson writes that “The New Party was designed as a loose confederation of unions, socialists, communists, and black activists who shared common values, but often had different goals,” although the party’s Wikipedia page suggests that they weren’t as far left as the Greens, which criticized them for being Democratic Party hangers-on. Doubtless Obama will claim that it was the union aspect that drew him to it or, failing that, that it was a brief youthful flirtation (he was, er, 35 at the time) with a fringier party than he ultimately felt comfortable with. Needless to say, I know I speak for all of us in denouncing this very racist attempt to question him on his party affiliations the way Sarah Palin was questioned on hers. After all, it’s not like any of The One’s other political associations have been worrisomely fringe.
The best part of this, assuming that it trickles up the media food chain and gets put to one of Obama’s spokesmen, will be trying to reconcile the inevitable profession of ignorance about the New Party’s agenda with David Brooks’s assertions about how “socially perceptive” Obama is. Truly, except for Ayers’s terrorist background, Wright’s sermons, Pfleger’s race-baiting, and the NP, his awareness of what’s going on around him is laser sharp.
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Esthier on October 8, 2008 at 5:22 PM
One word ACORN. the left wins by stealing elections. With the Law enforcement’s go ahead ACIORN will make sure that democrates always win the elections. truth squads, miltary youth (brown shirts).
unseen on October 8, 2008 at 5:25 PM
Heh, I’ll give you that’s a funny line.
Spirit of 1776 on October 8, 2008 at 5:25 PM
Do you think that Obama is slightly better than, about the same as or worse than Jimmy Carter?
wise_man on October 8, 2008 at 5:25 PM
Anything you want to tell us, FiveWays?
Nah, you’re small.
Jim Treacher on October 8, 2008 at 5:25 PM
And that’s why we’re screwed. Have you seen the patient lately? It suffers from mental retardation.
And there ain’t no cure!
FiveWays on October 8, 2008 at 5:26 PM
FiveWays on October 8, 2008 at 5:26 PM
education is the cure. conservatives must retake the schools or do away with them. including Universities.
unseen on October 8, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Alone, he’s about the same. The problem is that the Obamonster has many, many more tentacles than Carter did.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 8, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Oh do enlighten us. Are we going the “FiveWays is gay” route here?
FiveWays on October 8, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Hey Spirit of 1776 – what at this point would John McCain have to do to make you not support him, knowing that millions of people will be voting for Barack Obama. I would like to know what thin red line he would cross that would turn you off and not participate in the election, or think that Obama would be better than McCain. Serious question.
wise_man on October 8, 2008 at 5:27 PM
So give up. Nobody’s stopping you. Surrender.
Jim Treacher on October 8, 2008 at 5:27 PM
There is nothing that Obama can do or say or has done that will knock the Soul Train off the track. All is forgiven, all is ignored. I think Whoopie said it best in the latest View clip about Blacks being able to say and do things that anybody else is not allowed to do. When Blacks do these things, according to Whoopie, it’s different. Even when they are first generation Africans with no guilt geld to spend.
Hening on October 8, 2008 at 5:28 PM
patrick neid on October 8, 2008 at 5:28 PM
No, just “FiveWays is a humorless grump.”
Jim Treacher on October 8, 2008 at 5:28 PM
I agree. But that’s going to take a life time.
Meanwhile, take a look at the futures parents.
FiveWays on October 8, 2008 at 5:28 PM
scrubjay on October 8, 2008 at 5:25 PM
obladioblada on October 8, 2008 at 5:29 PM
Yep.
Health care is a “right.” Owning a home is a “right.” A certain level of income is a “right.” American citizenship is a “right” (for all foreigners, including criminals and gang-bangers, who cross our borders). Etc., etc.
Why is anyone surprised that Barry Obama — son of a Kenyan communist, apprentice to communist Frank Marshall Davis, friend and acolyte of self-described “radical communist” Bill Ayers, official endorsee of the Communist Party USA, preferred candidate of Communist dictators like Fidel Castro and Kim Jung Il — once belonged to a Socialist party?
AZCoyote on October 8, 2008 at 5:29 PM
Thanks for explaining. I get your point. I merely mean that the race can be dynamically shifted still, as the prominence of the credit crisis did just recently to Obama’s advantage.
Spirit of 1776 on October 8, 2008 at 5:29 PM
Adjust your altimeter and ascend to a higher altitude. You get a much better view of the battlefield from up here – and it’s not nearly as dire as you suspect.
ManlyRash on October 8, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Good question. I didn’t live through Carter, so I’m probably not in the best place to judge; however, I think Obama’s potential is unknown.
He hasn’t really done anything yet. He hasn’t been controversial or taken any stands or done anything that has made a difference. I imagine that if elected he’ll be the exact same as president, not making any waves, but if we’re unfortunate enough to have him twice, then I’ll think we’ll see exactly what an Obama presidency is.
Esthier on October 8, 2008 at 5:30 PM
PIMF
Heard that. Corsi says he has copies of emails between Obama and Odinga, including emails to Obama in the Senate. Obama later, “for security” reasons told Odinga that their communications would be through an Obama staffer.
WND has part of the story of Corsi’s release, but doesn’t get into the emails. Hope he scanned and emailed them.
WND here: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77291
obladioblada on October 8, 2008 at 5:31 PM
wise_man on October 8, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Not very much. Obama has hung with terrorists, has a mentor that was a communist, has a father that was a communist, was raised in a mulim school, was a member of the New Party, worshipped at an anti-american racist church. Has tried to ban free sppech, guns. has taken money from our enemies. his plans are socialism at their core prettied up to get main stream approval.
so not much
unseen on October 8, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Allah let you out of your Dark Side armor for a while, see the sunshine, breathe the fresh air for a bit? :D
Welcome back :)
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 8, 2008 at 5:31 PM
No, I’m pissed fucking off.
I live in Central Illinois. I’ve experience first hand what the ChicagoDemocrat Socialist Machine can do to a State.
And NOW you’re ALL about to experience what they will do to a country.
I hate Barry so fucking bad I could spit!
FiveWays on October 8, 2008 at 5:31 PM
LOL….
After reading this thread I know know exactly what the first battle of Bull Run looked like.
Limerick on October 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Thanks for the newsflash. Look, if you want to rant and rave like a Kos Kid, nobody’s stopping you. Just pardon me if I don’t follow you off the cliff.
Check your calendar.
Jim Treacher on October 8, 2008 at 5:33 PM
I take by your tone that relocation is not an option.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 8, 2008 at 5:33 PM
Shove that Kos Kid crap.
FiveWays on October 8, 2008 at 5:35 PM
unseen on October 8, 2008 at 5:23 PM
http://www.usasurvival.org/marshall.fbi.files.html
Frank Marshall Davis has been associated with the communist party since before WWII – in Chicago.
justincase on October 8, 2008 at 5:35 PM
What country would you suggest?
FiveWays on October 8, 2008 at 5:35 PM
I just meant from Illinois…
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 8, 2008 at 5:36 PM
I don’t think I will, if all you can do is shriek f-bombs. But please, don’t let me stop you.
Jim Treacher on October 8, 2008 at 5:37 PM
So who’s going to ask Obama about it?
drjohn on October 8, 2008 at 5:37 PM
uhm…..soon this entire country will be like Illinois. Actually….even worse.
FiveWays on October 8, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Thanks for answering my question by the way.
Jimmy Carter was a govenor. He went through the process of getting elected and governing his state. Obama used a lawyerly tactic to get his democrat rivals kicked off the illinois state ballot so he could run unopposed. He has voted “present” 130 times. Has the most liberal voting record when he does vote. Talks about getting rid of all of our nuclear weapons and went to a church that had a positive story of Hamas in the church bulliten. And since Carter has made some anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian comments decades after he was removed as president, we know a bit about what’s in his mind.
It really is hard to predict the future, but I do think that an Obama administration is would be more left than a Hillary Clinton Administration. One of the democrats I wouldnt lose much sleep over is someone like joe Lieberman. I’d certainly not want to see a president Dennis Kucinnich, or a president Cynthia McKinney. That being said, I don’t think that the US will be a charred cinder when Obama is done with it, but I might guess that Carter (whoI did live through) was bad. Farm more than people recall decades later. And in my opinion, Obama has the potential to be much worse.
Wanted to get other people’s feelings on this.
wise_man on October 8, 2008 at 5:39 PM
A little off topic, but I’m curious on this question as well. Is there a country conservatives would be more comfortable in if the US starts turning to Socialism?
I’m coming up with nothing.
Esthier on October 8, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Still think it’ll be better the more south you go… and can’t hurt to get out of the more infested zones, if it’s a viable option for you.
Worst comes to worst….
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 8, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Okay. Keep calling me a Kos Kid. Call me a troll. I don’t really care. But when Nov 5th rolls around, just call me.
FiveWays on October 8, 2008 at 5:40 PM
I know how you feel. To paraphrase someone else I’ve come to despise (Michelle Obama): for the first time in my life, I am afraid for my country.
Was anyone else as appalled as I was last night when Obama answered the (idiotic, IMO) question about what he didn’t know and how he would learn it, and he said he would ask Michelle?
AZCoyote on October 8, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Gee, seems like the United States is pretty much the best. If the gulf war was any indication, Australia supported us. But all it takes is for a new president to be elected to change that. Poland was on our side. As was England. But Enagland’s left is even more loony than ours.
I don’t know. Anyone else have a guess?
wise_man on October 8, 2008 at 5:41 PM
It only makes since that obama would be part. he does after all think as most liberals that capitalism is bad and socialism is good
ConservativePartyNow on October 8, 2008 at 5:42 PM
If it’s true that she was the gateway between Dorhn and Barack, then it explains a lot. And not good things.
Spirit of 1776 on October 8, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Australia is the only one I can think of off the top of my head, and it’s pretty liberal from what I’ve heard from friends living there… possibly not as bad as an Obama-led US, and most certainly not beyond recovery.
(Especially if it’s suddenly flooded with conservatives fleeing Obama-sama…. It’s only a little island, Heh :D)
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 8, 2008 at 5:43 PM
I have said this on another thread, but I believe it needs to be repeated and that is THEY are ALL connected. You name anyone Obama is connected to and there is a definite trail back to Alinsky and other leading radicals that began the Black Liberation Movement, Marxism, etc., etc. They are incestuous. Just because Alinksy was dead by the time Obama came to the States does not mean that he was not connected or is not connected to those that championed Alinksy after his death. I wish someone would bring up the fact that just because Hitler is dead does not mean he does not still have followers or those still practicing Nazism. Hello Imadinnerjacket!
I heard the Corsi interview and I hope he has extra security on the papers and on his own person! I have long desired more attention to Odinga and the blood bath he instigated in Kenya. What Corsi has not pointed out YET but I am sure he eventually will, is that the Kikuyu that were MURDERED where Christians. Odinga sent out death squads to kill Christians. Anyone remember the scene from “The Patriot” where the people were burned alive in the church by the British? FYI, Odinga repeated same thing in Kenya! Burned people alive in churches.
freeus on October 8, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Of course not.
Jim Treacher on October 8, 2008 at 5:44 PM
Judging from his bowling score in the PA primaries and Bittergate, we know quite well how much at home he fells with the working-stiff crowd.
Are McCain and Palin echoing Palin’s RNCC speech line about talking about people one way to their face and another way behind their back. That was an incredible line.
BuckeyeSam on October 8, 2008 at 5:44 PM
Well, I don’t have Axelrod’s number.
Jim Treacher on October 8, 2008 at 5:45 PM
That’s not the New Party I knew.
tarpon on October 8, 2008 at 5:45 PM
Short of a smoking gun in Obama’s hand, anything and everything at this point is too little, too late.
The majority of the nation has been bedazzled and bamboozled by the pretty shiny wrapping paper enveloping the empty box that is Barack Hussein Obama. The Democrats would think of themselves as the intelligent and progressive of the country, while the rest of us are dumb bitter religion and gun clinging hicks. However, they are the ones who are so thoroughly and easily fooled by the traveling salesman and his wagon full of snake oil. Obama’s synonymous with the secret prize hidden behind door #1. The Democrats and easily tricked fools have no idea what’s behind the door, but the hype and false excitement generated by flim-flam artists has made it too appealing to deny.
Batten down the hatches.
FlatFoot on October 8, 2008 at 5:45 PM
But you WILL talk to me on Nov 5th Right Jim?
FiveWays on October 8, 2008 at 5:45 PM
I was leaning towards Australia as well, though I’m not sure their government is as sympathetic to our politics as I’d like.
Sounds like we’ll have to start our own island.
Esthier on October 8, 2008 at 5:47 PM
If you haven’t had a stroke, sure. Why wouldn’t I?
Jim Treacher on October 8, 2008 at 5:47 PM
Heard Corsi on Hannity just a few minutes ago – he claims to have proof that Obama was mentoring Odinga in Kenya’s recent election. The catch, as we all know, Odinga wants to institute Sharia Law in Kenya.
There’s just a mountain of evidence out there about Obama’s associations with Wright, Ayers, Rezco, Odinga – it’s criminal that the MSM have refused to look into any of them.
dugan on October 8, 2008 at 5:47 PM
yeah….I’m a BIG OBAMA SUPPORTER.
Just ask anyone who’s read my previous posts.
You certainly blew my cover…………
/sarc/
FiveWays on October 8, 2008 at 5:47 PM
Holy cow guys, isn’t this exactly what Obama and his cronies want – for conservatives to be snapping each others’ heads off???
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 8, 2008 at 5:47 PM
Great. It’s a date.
FiveWays on October 8, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Well, you’re doing his work for him.
Jim Treacher on October 8, 2008 at 5:48 PM
How?
FiveWays on October 8, 2008 at 5:49 PM
I’ve been catching up on the re-runs od LOST. I’ll pack my sailing ship with anti-polar bear pepper spray and sleeping bags, if anyone wants to tag along if Obama wins.
heh.
wise_man on October 8, 2008 at 5:49 PM
I thought I wasn’t supposed to bring up your preferences. Well anyway, what are you going to do, gloat that you were right about the guy you think should lose? That’ll be, what, some kind of victory for you? You don’t seem to be thinking clearly.
Jim Treacher on October 8, 2008 at 5:50 PM
This is just another straw in the wind that supports the conclusion Bama is a Marxist socialist at heart.
He has, so far as I have heard NO, ZERO, NONE when comes to a long-term, enduring, current, mentoring with anyone who is free-market or individual freedom oriented. Nobody, or if you can, please name one. I don’t profess to know it all, but this is what I do know.
In itself, this should be enough to throw him out of the race but he an artful dodger of his real self, aided by very useful idiots. Lenin is feeling embarassed, he could have never coned people as Bama has.
Harry Schell on October 8, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Stay in good health. If the unthinkable happens, we’ll need a laugh.
Esthier on October 8, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Scroll up.
Jim Treacher on October 8, 2008 at 5:50 PM
If you’re thinking of Australia, you’d better be under 40. I read an article recently on their immigration policies, and they’re pretty tough. They’ll take young people, and people who have skills they need; everybody else is out of luck.
AZCoyote on October 8, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Yeah, but I’m sure that since Obama’s been so forthcoming with his academic records, we would have found a link between him and Cloward-Piven by now. I mean, Obama lets us see all of the records about his past, right? Because he has nothing to hide, right?
Oh, wait…
richardj on October 8, 2008 at 5:51 PM
But the unthinkable has happened already. It’s over. FiveWays says so.
Jim Treacher on October 8, 2008 at 5:51 PM
lol. One of my favorite shows. Forget the polar bears, I’d want something to fight the smoke monster and/or Ben.
But hey, I’m in.
Esthier on October 8, 2008 at 5:52 PM
News that BO is a socialist is no surprise to me. It will surprise me if any MSM reports this.
d1carter on October 8, 2008 at 5:52 PM
I live in Illinois. Near two universities. I’m getting Obama overload. And I’m having a bad fucking day. So don’t give me that shit that I’m doing Barry’s fucking work.
FiveWays on October 8, 2008 at 5:53 PM
We need to find habitable islands with stable food and water sources, without any current government or one that’s conservative-friendly or possibly build our own. Do we have the technology for that yet? :)
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 8, 2008 at 5:53 PM
You really believe that William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn have spent this many years mentoring and bankrolling Obama to see him become a “do nothing” and “make no waves” kind of president?
You really believe that Ayers and Dohrn won’t get to pick Obama’s SCOTUS justice nominees?
funky chicken on October 8, 2008 at 5:54 PM
Wow. I didn’t know that.
I’m still fairly young, 26, but I am surprised by that. A country actually thinking of itself when it comes to immigration.
You don’t believe that.
Esthier on October 8, 2008 at 5:54 PM
With all due respect Five, when you’ve had a day that bad, it might be the best idea to lay off HotAir for the day.
Just a thought.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 8, 2008 at 5:54 PM
Oh, no no no Jim.
McCain’s really leading by 10. And Illinois will go McCain too. Oh and, I’m really gay.
See that. I agree with you completely, Jim.
FiveWays on October 8, 2008 at 5:55 PM
If one goes by the Discover the Networks page, this was first reported January 18, 2008 by Trevor Loudon at New Zeal (a blog promoting liberty in New Zealand and Beyond) where they noted:
And
Bravo for our friends way across the pond.
According to the aforementioned New Zeal blog:
Suck in the “passive majority” with the help of the “Militant minority”, get them to vote for your hopeychangey candidate, and presto, you have a bloodless commie revolution.
Buy Danish on October 8, 2008 at 5:55 PM
We’re supposed to have all the rich people in our party. Surely one of you billionaires has a small power plant we can borrow.
I really don’t believe they’re that close. I think that like Wright, Obama picked them to get ahead, not because he relies on them.
But again, no, I really think, if elected, he’ll be working on his next term first and foremost, at least that’s what his history says to me.
Esthier on October 8, 2008 at 5:57 PM
What we’ve learned about Barack’s Columbia days is that he wasn’t on campus much. He was a community organizer in Harlem for 5 years though, according to The New Party. I think Obama’s cover-up of his Columbia days is coming apart at the seams. If Sarah can mention this stuff, the MSM will have to at least pretend to cover it.
justincase on October 8, 2008 at 5:57 PM
Ya don’t say.
If you genuinely don’t think Obama should be president, screaming that it’s over and we’re all gonna die seems like a less than effective way of preventing it. Just because they’ve demoralized you doesn’t mean I have to take you seriously.
And you’re a humorless scold who’s thrown in the towel a month before the election. Yes, I think we get it.
Jim Treacher on October 8, 2008 at 5:57 PM
You’re absolutely right Grue.
I needed to hear that. I’m going to take a break. I’m too pissed off today to be living in a blue State.
I appreciate it.
FiveWays on October 8, 2008 at 5:58 PM
Am I that transparent?
Jim Treacher on October 8, 2008 at 5:58 PM
What’s with all the potty mouth language here?
wise_man on October 8, 2008 at 5:59 PM
You’re welcome. See ya when you’re better.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 8, 2008 at 5:59 PM
Buy Danish on October 8, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Excellent catch!
justincase on October 8, 2008 at 6:00 PM
Well, I read your blog for one…
In all honesty, Five, have a good rest or drink a good beer or whatever it is that’ll help you. The election’s still a month away.
Esthier on October 8, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Nihilism on the march apparently comes with a PG-13 soundtrack.
Should be over now, Five’s called it a day. Back to your posts, everyone.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 8, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Do you think at least that they might invite Ayers and Dohrn to the whitehouse and stay over in the Lincoln Bedroom? I can imagine after they get back to chicago, that they’ll tell all their chicago friends that they both took a piss on the wall and the carpeting.
And IF Obama wins, and then a republican is elected some time after, there will be more than just missing “W” keys on computer keyboards to greet the next republican president.
wise_man on October 8, 2008 at 6:02 PM
For the record, no, I don’t think it’s over. Occasionally I use irony and sarcasm to point out the logical flaws in the statements of others. I apologize for the confusion.
Jim Treacher on October 8, 2008 at 6:03 PM
It’s a good blog. Funny most of the time too.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 8, 2008 at 6:03 PM
Good suggestion. I’d like that too, but I’m stuck at the office. I’d best get away from this as the longer I’m here, the longer its going to be before I can go home after I finish this stuff and drive it to the overnight package place.
wise_man on October 8, 2008 at 6:04 PM
eh …. people with blogs …. *gak*
wise_man on October 8, 2008 at 6:04 PM
I think what we are seeing is a re emergence of the radical socialist agenda the Baby boomers tried and failed to get implemented during the 60’s. Only this time they are attempting change things from within the system in a very stealthy manner and with a thin veneer of populism as promulgated by their poster child BHO and aided and abetted by a MSM that is essentially managed and edited by people who were themselves involved in the radical movements of the 60’s.
The reality is that the Baby boomers now find themselves in the position to affect real change and they intend to try and recast America into the socialist paradise they have been dreaming of since their left wing indoctrination and radicalisation during the 1960’s
Dreadnought223 on October 8, 2008 at 6:04 PM
From another New Zeal blog post:
More, from Davidson’s mouth to God’s ears:
I’m from Chicago, too, and known Obama from the time he came to the New Party to get our endorsement for his first race ever. I’ve been in his home, and as an IL legislator, he’s helped or community technology movement a number of times. He said all the right things to the ACORN and New Party folks, and we endorsed him, but I noticed too, that he seemed to measure every answer to questions put to him several tmes before coming out with it.
So, he’s been to his home. Aren’t Ayers and Davidson friends? Off to check. Meanwhile, he’s a perceptive fella, isn’t he? Ha Ha.
Buy Danish on October 8, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Me too. Though my work should probably block Hot Air for how much time I spend on it, I usually try to make it up when I’m away from the office so I don’t feel too guilty.
Completely agree. Honestly, it made my day when Treacher mentioned me on it once.
Esthier on October 8, 2008 at 6:07 PM
I’m kind of on that countdown timer myself….
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 8, 2008 at 6:08 PM
Sarcasm has an unfortunate way of backfiring far too often, especially when used online.
There’ve been times I’ve had to resort to a smiley face or sarc tag even though I’m generally opposed to them more forcefully than I should be.
Esthier on October 8, 2008 at 6:10 PM
Woah! And who said this election is over! LOL!
terryannonline on October 8, 2008 at 6:13 PM
More from Davidson, who feels that Barack is slipping away from him on the war:
To be fair, I read a recent speech he gave to laid-off workers from a plant closing out in Galesburg, IL, around globalization, corporate responsibility, the safety net, the third wave, and so on. It was very good. Save for not mentioning the war, I probably couldn’t written a better one myself.
Anyone know what the “third wave” is? It would save me a trip to wiki.
BTW, the endorsement from KD is from his Marxism Message newsletter, and goes back to January 2007.
Buy Danish on October 8, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Hugh Hewitt reading Ace’s tuff on this, now.
james23 on October 8, 2008 at 6:23 PM
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