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David Frum: I’m voting for McCain, but…

posted at 10:08 pm on October 8, 2008 by Allahpundit
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A good post, mostly, and one for which he’ll probably catch hell. I’m not sure how to take what he says at the end about Ayers; he seems to think it’s either an illegitimate line of attack, which it isn’t, or that it’s legitimate but should be tabled because the election’s lost, which it isn’t. But I do agree with his main point about the economy. Like Douthat says (or implies), if McCain loses it won’t be because the public didn’t hear enough about Wright and Ayers. It’ll be because they cared more about the economic nuclear bomb that’s set to melt down their 401(k)s or their, er, food supply and didn’t trust him enough to defuse it. Which is amazing, really: The more dire things get, the more reassuring McCain’s years of experience should be vis-a-vis Obama. He has the GOP albatross around his neck this year, true, but he also has enough mavericky cred that he could have wriggled free of that if he’d had a compelling economic plan and had been hammering it for months. As it is, domestic policy has always been an afterthought for him (except for amnesty, ahem) while The One’s spent his days droning on about the middle class and health care. If the economy was fine and Iran was the hot issue right now, the polls would look very different. But them’s the breaks. As a great man once said, life isn’t fair. Frum:

American voters are staggering under the worst financial crisis since at least 1982. Asset values are tumbling, consumer spending is contracting, and a recession is visibly on the way. This crisis follows upon seven years in which middle-class incomes have stagnated and Republican economic management has been badly tarnished. Anybody who imagines that an election can be won under these circumstances by banging on about William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright is … to put it mildly … severely under-estimating the electoral importance of pocketbook issues.

We conservatives are sending a powerful, inadvertent message with this negative campaign against Barack Obama’s associations and former associations: that we lack a positive agenda of our own and that we don’t care about the economic issues that are worrying American voters.

Yeah, it’s not the negative campaigning that’s the problem. It’s the fact that negative campaigning’s being offered as the entree instead of the side dish. Exit question: Is there still time left to whip up something hearty and nutritious? Exit answer: Maybe.


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And with that, good night.

Bishop on October 8, 2008 at 10:12 PM

The difference between ‘92 and ‘08 is the messenger.

Spirit of 1776 on October 8, 2008 at 10:12 PM

If you’re pretty new to the market like me, this thing is a bonanza. But yeah, I feel for the people who are only a couple of years from retirement and are watching their lives savings go up in flames. It’s difficult to imagine what their nights this past week have been like.

Sadly, neither one of our candidates is inspiring on this crisis. Obama’s ideas are old and disproven, and McCain’s ideas are incomplete.

I wish voters knew the whole story. If people knew how Obama’s party destroyed our economy in their push for an ideological vision of fairness, they probobly wouldn’t be so eager to hand him the keys in November.

BadgerHawk on October 8, 2008 at 10:14 PM

I don’t listen to the Georgetown coffee club anymore. They are worse than democrats on trashing McCain and Palin. They should all go jump in a river somewhere.

I’m getting there with Allah and his pessimism too. We are not going to lose this because Obama will win it, but because you guys will drive down enthusiam and help Obama steal this election.

Chudi on October 8, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Anybody who imagines that an election can be won under these circumstances by banging on about William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright is … to put it mildly … severely under-estimating the electoral importance of pocketbook issues.

Perhaps we’ll have another ‘all of the above’ moment.

Tony737 on October 8, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Why are they needlessly worrying about their 401(k)? http://www.investmentnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081007/REG/810079894

Congress mulls major 401(k) changes

Sue on October 8, 2008 at 10:15 PM

Nah. The negative message would be very effective if it was broadcast by the MSM. McCain had an opportunity to work it in last night at the debate but he passed on it.

It may just be too distasteful for him but politics is a dirty game and maybe he doesn’t have the stomach for it.

Vince on October 8, 2008 at 10:17 PM

If only McCain would mimic Reagan’s method of actually explaining conservative economic principles when BO recites his “tax cuts for the rich” mantra.

jgapinoy on October 8, 2008 at 10:18 PM

I’m sure most here will whistle past the graveyard for a while longer.

lorien1973 on October 8, 2008 at 10:18 PM

How long till the National Review endorses Barr?

D0WNT0WN on October 8, 2008 at 10:19 PM

Dick Morris made an excellent point tonight on O’Reilly, one that I have quietly held as a hope for the unfriendly poll numbers: McCain is quietly happy being down by 3 to 6 points in the polls, because he believes that he would have to be down by about 10 to lose the election (Bradley effect and all). I have no scientific basis for this, and it may be fantasy, but here are my thoughts:

Obama is counting on an extremely heavy turnout of blacks and youths. He’ll get about 50 percent of his estimates. On the other hand, McCain is counting on heavy turnout from the elderly, military, evangelicals and middle class whites. He’ll do better with this class of people, probably 70% of his hopes. Predicition: McCain wins by about 20 electoral college votes.

Fantasy? Probably.

lionheart on October 8, 2008 at 10:19 PM

Congress mulls major 401(k) changes

Sue on October 8, 2008 at 10:15 PM

Your link makes me very uncomfortable.

BadgerHawk on October 8, 2008 at 10:21 PM

If only McCain would mimic Reagan’s method of actually explaining conservative economic principles when BO recites his “tax cuts for the rich” mantra.

jgapinoy on October 8, 2008 at 10:18 PM

+1

surrounded on October 8, 2008 at 10:21 PM

I question Frum’s conservative credentials

Those who press this Ayers line of attack are whipping Republicans and conservatives into a fury that is going to be very hard to calm after November. Is it really wise to send conservatives into opposition in a mood of disdain and fury for the next president, incidentally the first African-American president?

CanadianGuy on October 8, 2008 at 10:21 PM

If people knew how Obama’s party destroyed our economy in their push for an ideological vision of fairness,…

BadgerHawk on October 8, 2008 at 10:14 PM

I think its more their desire to make “equal outcome” instead of ‘fairness’. Remember the left is much more interested in being able to define and dictate outcome, than they are on true fairness. If they were interested in ‘fairness’, they would drop the “make the rich pay their fair share” crap and dump the progressive sliding tax scales.

belad on October 8, 2008 at 10:21 PM

If only McCain would mimic Reagan’s method of actually explaining conservative economic principles when BO recites his “tax cuts for the rich” mantra.

Why not just explain it the way democrats do?

“The way the government now encourages 401(k) plans is to spend $80 billion in tax breaks,” which goes to the highest-income earners, Ms. Ghilarducci said.

A tax cut is spending government’s money.

Sue on October 8, 2008 at 10:22 PM

I’ve heard that saying “whistle past the graveyard” but I don’t understand what it means.

Your scared when you walk by so you wistle as a way of reassuring yourself? What does that have to do with the economy and negative advertising?

Vince on October 8, 2008 at 10:22 PM

Good lord… I’ve begging people in Team McCain to bring some policy pivots since right after the convention… I swear they’re tone deaf…

ninjapirate on October 8, 2008 at 10:22 PM

You’re instead of your. Sorry!

Vince on October 8, 2008 at 10:22 PM

I’d have a group of the brightest Republican economists and business leaders working right now on a 10 point plan to turn around the economy and present that plan the minute it was ready.

TheBigOldDog on October 8, 2008 at 10:23 PM

I think its more their desire to make “equal outcome” instead of ‘fairness’.

belad on October 8, 2008 at 10:21 PM

This is why I try not to reflexively despise liberals for their worldview. Both sides essentially want fairness. We want a fair start for everyone where those who work the hardest rise to the top. They want a fair outcome, and have to use the massive reach of government to achieve it.

BadgerHawk on October 8, 2008 at 10:23 PM

BadgerHawk,

It should make us all uncomfortable. But it won’t. They threw in “the rich” so there you are.

Sue on October 8, 2008 at 10:24 PM

Problem is, the Mav has pissed off so many of allies the last few years I bet few people are stepping up to the plate…

TheBigOldDog on October 8, 2008 at 10:24 PM

mccain gave up the maverick as a positive to independents line the minute he picked palin.

she will be seen as what finally turned independents (mccains former strong suit) against him. that and these debate performances…he keeps treating obama like a peer when they stand toe to toe…it subconsciously melts doubts in those that havent made up their minds.

ernesto on October 8, 2008 at 10:24 PM

ninjapirate on October 8, 2008 at 10:22 PM

Has anyone from the campaign contacted you? I actually e-mailed them your address once.

BadgerHawk on October 8, 2008 at 10:25 PM

Problem is, the Mav has pissed off so many of allies the last few years I bet few people are stepping up to the plate…

TheBigOldDog on October 8, 2008 at 10:24 PM

AMartinez on October 8, 2008 at 10:27 PM

Well wasn’t ready for that responce.

AMartinez on October 8, 2008 at 10:28 PM

I fear that the reason why McCain wants to be president is simply because he wants to be president, i.e. ego.

It is possible that because of ego McCain feels that he has a duty to be president but can not articulate why. It’s that ‘vision thing’ again. It appears that McCain’s policy is; “I want you to be my friend”, thus all the pandering, and why he prefers the town hall setting where he gets to interact one on one with the audience.

If you are going to be a leader of your people, you have to have a destination in mind. Which, to me, is why The Obama is so successful; he knows where he is going, and why, an how he will get there.

rockhauler on October 8, 2008 at 10:29 PM

I smell a month straight of this:

Muslim
Hussein
Hates America
Terrorist
Ayers
Maverick
Rezko
Outsider
Hates America
MSM

What we won’t hear? Any actual plans for improving America.

Xolom on October 8, 2008 at 10:33 PM

The main point about the Ayers/Wright/anti-American connections that BHO has is intimately tied to the current state. Times of economic crisis bring nations to their most vulnerable points, when the actual character and intentions of the future President are of utmost importance – much moreso than during times of plenty.

If the Ayers/Wright/… connections were ever important it is most certainly during times of crisis and weakness as we are entering into, now. I don’t see why that’s so hard for some people to comprehend. The Lives Of Nations 101.

progressoverpeace on October 8, 2008 at 10:34 PM

I’m sure most here will whistle past the graveyard for a while longer.

lorien1973 on October 8, 2008 at 10:18 PM

I have hope, to which I bitterly cling, until the end.

rockhauler on October 8, 2008 at 10:35 PM

They aren’t giving up on New Hampshire. Don’t give up on Michigan either!!!

SouthernGent on October 8, 2008 at 10:35 PM

The problem for McCain is that the media has become so hostile that everything McCain says or does regarding the economy is simply dismissed. The narratives are too strong at this point for McCain to overcome them.

johnt on October 8, 2008 at 10:35 PM

BadgerHawk on October 8, 2008 at 10:23 PM

I would distinguish between “fair” and “equal.” Under liberalism, we all end up with equal outcomes. Yes, they think this is fair. However, if the fairness of outcome is determined in terms of proportional justice, then it is not fair for all men to have the same when some deserve more than others based on merit and effort.

No reason to despise, just to strongly disagree with a fundamentally wrong position. To paraphrase Tocqueville, all men are equal under a tyrant.

darii on October 8, 2008 at 10:36 PM

“I fear that the reason why McCain wants to be president is simply because he wants to be president, i.e. ego.”

rockhauler on October 8, 2008 at 10:29 PM

How this doesn’t apply to That One is beyond me. He could have spent more years in the Senate doing things for his country or kept organizing communities but no, he is here running for president before he should.

to me, is why The Obama is so successful; he knows where he is going, and why, an how he will get there.

THIS IS BEYOND LAUGHABLE! THE HELL IS THE MATTER WITH YOU!?

Cardiganfox on October 8, 2008 at 10:37 PM

Xolom on October 8, 2008 at 10:33 PM

You must be leading my example. Thats what? Three straight days of the same post? How original of you.

Limerick on October 8, 2008 at 10:37 PM

The problem for McCain is that the media has become so hostile that everything McCain says or does regarding the economy is simply dismissed. The narratives are too strong at this point for McCain to overcome them.

johnt on October 8, 2008 at 10:35 PM

McCain is the problem!

AMartinez on October 8, 2008 at 10:37 PM

Wait! Wait! —

I’ll do all this because I’ll be voting as much against Barack Obama – the most liberal Democratic presidential nominee since Walter Mondale – as for John McCain.

Bona fides established? OK, now for the sermon.

Fair enough. I agree with almost everything I read, although I would have said —

I’ll do all this because I’ll be voting as much against Barack Obama – the most liberal Democratic presidential nominee ever to even run for the office…

Jaibones on October 8, 2008 at 10:38 PM

I for one wish Gov. Palin was on top of this ticket. At least she speaks her mind.

AMartinez on October 8, 2008 at 10:39 PM

rockhauler:

I think McCain has a vision. I think we all heard that at the convention. I know I did.

The problem is that Obama is promising people help from the government. If McCain started promising people help from the government conservatives would call him a socialist.

That is what makes a guy like Frum so annoying. On one hand he whines about Republicans not doing well on economic issues and talks about stagnate wages..while on the other the conservative view is most often considered to be philosophically opposed to government involvement in the market.

So other than opening markets, allowing trade to flow freely, cutting taxes and letting market forces guide the economy..exactly what do conservatives offer in a time of turmoil and trouble?

Well, this time some of them signed onto a $700 billion dollar rescue/bailout bill and took a fair amount of crap for doing it.

Terrye on October 8, 2008 at 10:41 PM

Neither Obama nor McCain gives much indication that American and so many Americas living to such a great degree on debt and leverage may be ending as both promise so much. Do they not know the truth or do they dare not say it?

MB4 on October 8, 2008 at 10:43 PM

AMartinez

No, the problem is a biased press with a narrative. Do you think they would make it any easier for Romney? Or any other Republican? How about Palin? Are they giving her any credit for what she did for the Alaskan economy?

Terrye on October 8, 2008 at 10:43 PM

The problem is that Obama is promising people help from the government. If McCain started promising people help from the government conservatives would call him a socialist.

Terrye on October 8, 2008 at 10:41 PM

Well he did in a sense by bringing up the 300M plan last night.

Cardiganfox on October 8, 2008 at 10:43 PM

However, if the fairness of outcome is determined in terms of proportional justice, then it is not fair for all men to have the same when some deserve more than others based on merit and effort.

darii on October 8, 2008 at 10:36 PM

That is how you and I see it, but liberals do not. They see the country/world as rigged (nevermind that 70% of America’s millionaires are self-made), and so to them an equal outcome is fair, no matter how they got there. I believe their view is fundamentally flawed, but I can also understand how some arrive at that conclusion.

Tocqueville was a very smart man.

BadgerHawk on October 8, 2008 at 10:43 PM

Vince on October 8, 2008 at 10:22 PM

whistle past the graveyard

1. (idiomatic, US) To attempt to stay cheerful in a dire situation; To proceed with a task, ignoring an upcoming hazard, hoping for a good outcome.
2. (idiomatic, US) To enter a situation with little or no understanding of the possible consequences.

Guardian on October 8, 2008 at 10:44 PM

This election, as it stands, is a referendum on Obama. If enough voters feel comfortable with him being president, he wins, no matter what McCain says he’ll do about the economy. If not enough voters feel comfortable with Obama being president, McCain wins, even if he utters not a word about the economy. The key to victory right now is letting the electorate know that Obama is not ready to lead and that they should not feel comfortable with him being president. And reminding them of Obama’s association with a current radical and unrepentant domestic terrorist with socialist designs is a key component in implementing that strategy – regardless of the economy.

They can talk about the economy too. But they’d be insane not to implore the voters to look into Obama’s association with an America hating terrorist like Bill Ayers.

thirteen28 on October 8, 2008 at 10:44 PM

Congress mulls major 401(k) changes

Sue on October 8, 2008 at 10:15 PM

The linked article was from the leading news source for financial advisers. This is the same bunch of brain-trusts that have been giving such good financial advise to all the masses!

Is anyone in touch with reality in the financial sector? Hello, this is earth calling!

If anyone in that sector didn’t see this coming, they are either brain-dead or they were only interested in getting that last commission before the bottom fell out. If anyone wanting to invest listens to any CFA from this point forward should be examined for dementia, or needs to be committed to a mental institution. The whole CFA profession should be shunned and sued for incompetence.

belad on October 8, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Anybody have some 2-(2-methyl-4-chlorophenoxy) propionic acid handy? I want to see if it works on astro turf.

Y-not on October 8, 2008 at 10:46 PM

However, if the fairness of outcome is determined in terms of proportional justice, then it is not fair for all men to have the same when some deserve more than others based on merit and effort.

darii on October 8, 2008 at 10:36 PM

That is how you and I see it, but liberals do not. They see the country/world as rigged (nevermind that 70% of America’s millionaires are self-made), and so to them an equal outcome is fair, no matter how they got there. I believe their view is fundamentally flawed, but I can also understand how some arrive at that conclusion.

Tocqueville was a very smart man.

BadgerHawk on October 8, 2008 at 10:43 PM

+ 1,000,000

Cardiganfox on October 8, 2008 at 10:46 PM

No, the problem is a biased press with a narrative. Do you think they would make it any easier for Romney? Or any other Republican? How about Palin? Are they giving her any credit for what she did for the Alaskan economy?

Terrye on October 8, 2008 at 10:43 PM

All republicans have known for the last 16 to 18 years the Dems are gunning for us. Thats why all Republicans are responsible for this mess were in.

AMartinez on October 8, 2008 at 10:47 PM

Cardiganfox on October 8, 2008 at 10:46 PM

Even if you divide them in half for the two of us, that is by far the most plusses I have ever received.

BadgerHawk on October 8, 2008 at 10:48 PM

BadgerHawk on October 8, 2008 at 10:43 PM

I would add that liberals see the world as static. They do not take growth into account, and that is where most of their ideas fail miserably.

I learned this from my experiences on kibbutzim in Israel, which were probably the purest implementations of socialism and equal distribution ever, on a decent scale. They all collapsed due to the dynamic pressures of growth, which forced inequalities – you can’t build a new home for everyone, just because a couple of families have families that need larger places; a natural stratification of resources always appears with the growth. This static analysis of the world seems to always be the root problem to a liberal’s ideas.

progressoverpeace on October 8, 2008 at 10:49 PM

Cardiganfox:

Yes, McCain has made attempts to help,and a lot of conservatives have criticized him for it too.

My point is that Republicans have a certain rap when it comes to the economy, that is that they will let people fail. When times are in flux and people think they might be the ones who could do the failing, they tend to turn to Democrats. Not fair, but in truth guys like Frum would not have it any other way. What does Frum want?

Terrye on October 8, 2008 at 10:49 PM

I think it was very selfish of McCain to even run this year. He knew he wouldn’t have the vigor and energy to campaign hard but that his military record and seniority would win the nomination.

Speedwagon82 on October 8, 2008 at 10:51 PM

Ayers beliefs and Obama’s association with people like Ayers and his wife, can be tied into an economic message about Obama through who he associates with, those peoples’ desire to see government control over more and more of the economy and what a President Obama would do after he was elected. All you have to do is go back to 1992 when Bill Clinton campaigned on almost the exact same message as Obama of both change and promising no tax hikes, and went back on that promise nine days after inauguration.

So harping on Ayers the terrorist to the exclusion of mentioning Ayers the economic neo-Marxist is the mistake. If you don’t tie the latter to the former, then the McCain people are just like the Bush 41 crew in ‘92, when they kept expecting Clinton’s draft dodging record to finally turn the tide with voters before the November election.

jon1979 on October 8, 2008 at 10:51 PM

Ya think someone will ask BO about the Fairness Doctrine in the next debate, or ever?

jgapinoy on October 8, 2008 at 10:55 PM

If we lose we’ll still be here. We’ll still be zeroing the message, still be after the Pinkos. All this ‘fairness doctrine’ boogeyman can do is scare off the cowards. The information sharing genie has long since escaped from the bottle. The gloss lipstick will come off the Dhimmi pig the moment the worker opens up his check and finds half of it gone to government entitlements. It wasn’t a ‘tax’, you see, it was your duty. That college degree you want so badly…….not until you do your 12 months digging slit trenches for those poor Sudanese or Ugandan schoolkids. I can see the college kids flocking to sign up for that. Who needs a cell phone tower when you can have an entrenching tool and some diesel to tend the honey pots of the world?

By the time ‘12 gets here there will be more then a few state houses ready to trim the tree.

Limerick on October 8, 2008 at 10:55 PM

Bona fides established? OK, now for the sermon.

Nope.

wise_man on October 8, 2008 at 10:56 PM

I would add that liberals see the world as static.

progressoverpeace on October 8, 2008 at 10:49 PM

Good point. And I’ll add that this is because liberals’ goal of equality of outcome is utopian. And utopias are static. Equality is the end of their long march toward fairness, and it is an end in the sense of rest. They try to immanitize the eschaton.

darii on October 8, 2008 at 10:57 PM

I think it was very selfish of McCain to even run this year. He knew he wouldn’t have the vigor and energy to campaign hard but that his military record and seniority would win the nomination.

Speedwagon82 on October 8, 2008 at 10:51 PM

That’s just stupid. The guy is like a frickin lightning bolt of energy, he’s just not focussed on a solid strategy right now.

If your post was an attempt towards sarcasm I apologize.

BadgerHawk on October 8, 2008 at 10:58 PM

What we won’t hear? Any actual plans for improving America.

Like there’s any chance of improving America if Obama wins. Keeping that Marxist clown out of the White House by rejecting his socialist, marxist policies will be the first step towards improving America.

xblade on October 8, 2008 at 11:00 PM

Via Andrew Sullivan, here is David Frum at the National Review with thoughts on Sarah Palin:

Again let me stress: I am not denying that Sarah Palin may have great skills. She may well. I am insisting that neither you, nor I, nor John McCain has any valid reason to believe that she does. This is not an argument about the attributes she lacks. It’s an argument about the information we lack. I am pleading with my fellow conservatives: Please demand more and better knowledge before you commit yourselves to a political leader. That’s all.

And Sullivan again:

This decision is not worthy of a great power. Whatever skills Palin may turn out to have, however fabulous a person she may turn out to be, even if she becomes the Eva Peron of Christianism, McCain

David Frum, Andrew Sullivan’s favorite “conservative” columnist.

http://libertystreet.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/david-frum-on-sarah-palin/

Really, I just don’t quite imagine that McCain is interested in Mr. Frum’s “good opinion.” I think Sarah Palin even said something about that in a big speech she gave somewhere.

funky chicken on October 8, 2008 at 11:01 PM

I’m sure most here will whistle past the graveyard for a while longer.

lorien1973 on October 8, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Cutting & pasting?

CC

CapedConservative on October 8, 2008 at 11:01 PM

I would add that liberals see the world as static.

progressoverpeace on October 8, 2008 at 10:49 PM

Good point. And I’ll add that this is because liberals’ goal of equality of outcome is utopian. And utopias are static.

darii on October 8, 2008 at 10:57 PM

Good points both. And I’ll add that by its very defenition, utopias can never be fully realized, which is why a utopia is able to remain static no matter how the events around it change.

I’m not sure quite how we ended up here, but this is fun.

BadgerHawk on October 8, 2008 at 11:01 PM

Earlier today, I said basically the same thing that AP is saying now. It’s not that attacking Obama’s association with Ayers is illegitimate. It’s just that it’s irrelevant to the very serious problems we’re facing and to our future.

Among other things, we have an entitlement crisis waiting for us just around the corner. And it’s entirely possible that the U.S. may end up “solving” that crisis by repudiating its public debt. Even with staggering tax increases and harrowing budget cuts, we won’t be able to pay what we’ve promised. Do you know what will happen to our economy — to the world’s economy — if we default on our debt?

It’s fair to say that the future of democratic capitalism is now at stake, and the GOP and its presidential nominee are not rising to the occasion.

If we want to attack Obama and Ayers, fine. But let’s say we win; then what? What’s the friggin’ plan, man? You’ve haven’t heard it from McCain. You’ve just heard more silliness and platitudes, and your children will suffer for it.

paul006 on October 8, 2008 at 11:01 PM

I’m not sure quite how we ended up here, but this is fun.

BadgerHawk on October 8, 2008 at 11:01 PM

Yes, it is.

darii on October 8, 2008 at 11:02 PM

[what] THE HELL IS THE MATTER WITH YOU!?

Cardiganfox on October 8, 2008 at 10:37 PM

I’m bipolar, manic depressive, and a paranoid, miserly recluse who’s only contact with other living beings is via these dots on this computer monitor.

Is that enough or do you need to examine my financial statements?

Well, I also make quarterly trips to WalMart to purchase enough victuals to make it through the quarter.

What’s wrong with you? Just curious, don’t really care, ya know? (its japery)

rockhauler on October 8, 2008 at 11:02 PM

What we won’t hear? Any actual plans for improving America.

Xolom on October 8, 2008 at 10:33 PM

Kicking Obama’s lying unpatriotic ass IS improving America.

TexasJew on October 8, 2008 at 11:03 PM

They try to immanitize the eschaton. – darii on October 8, 2008 at 10:57 PM

Well said, sir!

ManlyRash on October 8, 2008 at 11:04 PM

Damn, I’m so glad all y’all know exactly what John McCain should do!

Sadly, all your “advice” and slams on him will saddle us with an unprincipled, inexperienced friend of terrorists, felons and vicious race-hustlers.

You think McCain doesn’t measure up? Wait until Osama Obama gets his hands on the levers of government. He won’t care that you dissed his opponent. He will only care that you didn’t drop to your knees in front of The Messiah.

The United States, this blessed nation, will become a rogue state the likes of which we haven’t seen since 1917. Or 1932.

Constitution? What’s that? Putty in the hands of Obama and his lefty pals, that’s what.

MrScribbler on October 8, 2008 at 11:07 PM

David Frum: Palin the irresponsible choice? Ms. Palin’s experience in government makes Barack Obama look like George C. Marshall. She served two terms on the city council of Wasilla, Alaska, population 9,000. She served two terms as mayor. In November, 2006, she was elected governor of the state, a job she has held for a little more than 18 months. She has zero foreign policy experience, and no record on national security issues.

funky chicken on October 8, 2008 at 11:09 PM

frum is wimp.

the best POSITIVE program for america wight now is NOT ELECTING OBAMA!

and ANYTHING that helps is good.

ANYTHING.

hillary would be better a potus.

KUCINICH WOULD BE BETTER!

biden would be better…

reliapundit on October 8, 2008 at 11:10 PM

let me say this as plainly as i can: an obama administration would be a clear and present danger to the usa and the free world.

reliapundit on October 8, 2008 at 11:11 PM

Thanks David. I guess.

I mean, even if you dislike McCain on conservative prinicipals–Obama is worse. And McCain is actually better than Bush on conservatism (and Frum worked for Bush).

Mr. Joe on October 8, 2008 at 11:12 PM

reliapundit on October 8, 2008 at 11:11 PM

Common sense is out of bounds. The don’t-fix-it-buy-a-new-one lemmings are on the march.

Limerick on October 8, 2008 at 11:14 PM

darii on October 8, 2008 at 11:02 PM

Good conversation, but like the fat kid in dodgeball…

BadgerHawk on October 8, 2008 at 11:14 PM

I’m not sure quite how we ended up here, but this is fun.

BadgerHawk on October 8, 2008 at 11:01 PM

It’s interesting to study liberals and liberalism. It’s a b#tch to live under!

progressoverpeace on October 8, 2008 at 11:15 PM

On housing, McCain takes sharp left turn
Republican nominee’s mortgage plan bypasses the free market in favor of big government

Conservatives are distressed

The notion leaves conservatives cold.

“It’s a great idea…for everyone who bought overpriced homes with Adjustable Rate Mortgages,” writes blogger Michelle Malkin. “Those who rented or bought within their means or locked into fixed-rate loans that they can afford are out of luck, naturally.” As Malkin notes, if Obama had proposed this last night, Republicans would have denounced him as a socialist.

But McCain was eager to claim ownership of his new $300 billion baby. “It’s my proposal,” he insisted. “It’s not Senator Obama’s proposal, it’s not President Bush’s proposal. But I know how to get America working again, restore our economy and take care of working Americans.”

In fact, McCain’s proposal is similar to ones promoted by Hillary Clinton, Obama and liberal think tanks.

MB4 on October 8, 2008 at 11:17 PM

Oh gosh. Let’s explore that little snippet in all its contextual glory, shall we?

Ms. Palin’s experience in government makes Barack Obama look like George C. Marshall. She served two terms on the city council of Wasilla, Alaska, population 9,000. She served two terms as mayor. In November, 2006, she was elected governor of the state, a job she has held for a little more than 18 months. She has zero foreign policy experience, and no record on national security issues.

All this would matter less, but for this fact: The day that John McCain announced his selection of Sarah Palin was his birthday. His 72nd birthday. Seventy-two is not as old as it used to be, but Mr. McCain had a bout with melanoma seven years ago, and his experience in prison camp has uncertain implications for his future health.

If anything were to happen to a President McCain, the destiny of the free world would be placed in the hands of a woman who until the day before Friday was a small-town mayor.

Yep, Mr Frum, that whole “Governor of Alaska, Commander in Chief of the AL Nat’l Guard, negotiator of that big pipeline deal with Canada” doesn’t even rate a mention, does it?

Here’s the title if anybody wants to google the article so they can experience even more of Mr. Frum’s brilliant analysis:

David Frum: Palin the irresponsible choice?
David Frum, National Post
Published: Friday, August 29, 2008

funky chicken on October 8, 2008 at 11:18 PM

if McCain loses it won’t be because the public didn’t hear enough about Wright and Ayers. It’ll be because they cared more about the economic nuclear bomb that’s set to melt down their 401(k)s or their, er, food supply and didn’t trust him enough to defuse it.

“THE PUBLIC” have not heard enough about Ayers to even know who he is. So don’t lay that card down.

“THE PUBLIC” that cares more about their 401(k)than what?

The public cares more about the economy than about Obama being Ayers’ bitch-f*ck? Consider that the public does not know it was Obama Co. who set the wheels spinning America into this financial fiasco. Consider that the public does not know who Ayers is, hence their detachment from the revelation. IT AIN’T NO REVELATION UNTIL IT IS REVEALED.

And how does any of that translate into “the public doesn’t trust McCain enough to defuse the economic meltdown?”

NO, the only reason McCain would lose is if “the public” only follows the MSM for news and opinions. That is the DNC guarantee, that by far most people are as stupid as the MSM.(And rockhauler, you’ve convoluted your argument by inversion, fearing your own lack of reason.)

maverick muse on October 8, 2008 at 11:19 PM

of course it’s AK, not AL

funky chicken on October 8, 2008 at 11:19 PM

mccain gave up the maverick as a positive to independents line the minute he picked palin.

she will be seen as what finally turned independents (mccains former strong suit) against him. that and these debate performances…he keeps treating obama like a peer when they stand toe to toe…it subconsciously melts doubts in those that havent made up their minds.

ernesto on October 8, 2008 at 10:24 PM

Then we were damned from the start, because conservatives weren’t going to turn out for RINO McAmnesty unless we got something in return. Pretty much anyone else with the possible exception of Cantor would have led to mass exodus by conservatives or a major faction of the conservative coalition, and McCain would have been routed anyway.

doubleplusundead on October 8, 2008 at 11:20 PM

funky chicken on October 8, 2008 at 11:19 PM

That’s ok, funky. By 2012 it might be Alaskabama.

Limerick on October 8, 2008 at 11:21 PM

Like most people I would love to see McCain get all fired up and take the fight to Obama but I don’t think that will work in this case.

Its all about the narrative people and that narrative is that Barry is the wrong guy to lead the nation during a time of crisis because he lacks the wisdom, judgment, and experience to be an effective President. As demonstrated by the people he has associated with in the past, the decisions he has had to make, and which policies he plans to pursue if elected President.

It takes time to build a narrative like this you have to thread all of the relevant talking points into a coherent argument that the average person can understand. It has to be done relatively slowly and deliberately so it takes on certain sense of it being a reasonable point of view that people can absorb and focus on whilst at the same time comparing the difference between the two candidates wisdom, judgment, and experience.

The idea is to get undecideds and swing voters to start questioning weather Barry is really suitable to be President. Its the sort of thing that cant be achieved through full frontal partisan assaults on Obama but rather by creating an environment where there is an endless stream of concerns about about his wisdom, judgment,and experience being raised all over the place by all sorts of different people it creates the impression that he is hiding something and not being completely open and honest with people which creates doubt in peoples mind and turns Obama into an unknown quantity that people may not want to take a risk with in these uncertain times.

It appears to me that this is exactly the line of attack that the McCain campaign is taking. It really is a case of slow and steady wins the race and with four weeks to go until the election I believe they have more than enough time to pull it off. So sit back relax and enjoy the ride because Barry is about to die a death of a thousand cuts.

Dreadnought223 on October 8, 2008 at 11:21 PM

If we want to attack Obama and Ayers, fine. But let’s say we win; then what? What’s the friggin’ plan, man? You’ve haven’t heard it from McCain. You’ve just heard more silliness and platitudes, and your children will suffer for it.

paul006 on October 8, 2008 at 11:01 PM

Friggin’ boomers are gonna croak and leave us with the tab. Gonna be great, that serfdom thing.

doubleplusundead on October 8, 2008 at 11:23 PM

MrScribbler on October 8, 2008 at 11:07 PM

Ironic, Isn’t it.

The lefties were the ones who warned us all that teh evil Boosh was going to take away all our rights, listen in on our conversations and see what library books we read. And on top of that, was going to resume the draft to get more people to fight in his wars, and also suspend the constitution and remain president past 2008 while arresting all liberals and let them rot for years in the Haliburton detention centers.

Wait until Obama gets his hands on the levers of government. Do you like Pelosi and Reid? Think of them standing side by side with Obama as they enact one thing after another and ram it all down our throats.

wise_man on October 8, 2008 at 11:25 PM

doubleplusundead on October 8, 2008 at 11:23 PM

Being one myself I think the plan worked out pretty well.

Limerick on October 8, 2008 at 11:25 PM

Alaska , Alabama I live here it America as it was ment to be. Low taxes, and it only to 7 years for me to pay for my own house. Did’nt need any bank loan too. Plus I can pee off my front stoop. And the neighbors don’t bitch if I shoot of my 454 casull.

AMartinez on October 8, 2008 at 11:28 PM

Is it really wise to send conservatives into opposition in a mood of disdain and fury for the next president, incidentally the first African-American president?

Absolutely. In fact, you can count on it. Are people supposed to just roll over and cede the country to a marxist with terrorist ties? And, do I hear a bit of racism here? That Obama is bullet proof because he’s black? We’ve been told that the entire election. No surprise you, too, Chump, would play the race card.

Anger is a very bad political adviser. It can isolate us and push us to the extremes at exactly the moment when we ought to be rebuilding, rethinking, regrouping and recruiting.

If you haven’t noticed, Chump, this bi-partisan crap hasn’t worked out too well for McCain. And let’s be honest here, you can say you’ll vote for McCain now, but you have done everything to lessen his chances of winning. Your vote is meaningless.

And once again we hear from the leftards and chattering class who really want McCain to lose, to drop the Ayers attacks. Can they be any more obvious? Lol!

Blake on October 8, 2008 at 11:29 PM

wise_man on October 8, 2008 at 11:25 PM

My only solace would be in their incompetence and ineptness.

progressoverpeace on October 8, 2008 at 11:31 PM

If anything were to happen to a President McCain, the destiny of the free world would be placed in the hands of a woman who until the day before Friday was a small-town mayor.

funky chicken on October 8, 2008 at 11:18 PM

All of the claims of Palin being a one dimensional character from the film Fargo always sounds hollow to me right as they make the claim. Because Palin would have to had bluffed and BS’ed her way all her life, and into the governor office of Alaska with an 80% approval rating. And to believe that, you’ve got to think that all Alaskans are idiots who are easily duped. Not like New Yorkers, or the bright minds from Chicago.

And of course nothing could be further from the truth. She is smart, has good judgment, and has gotten to where she is from her talent and wisdom.

If anything would to happen to McCain that Palin would be president, she isn’t going to walk into the oval office and scream, then vomit, then run outside the building as the SNL skit suggests. She will have an army of staff with the McCain administration of advisers and people to be her staff. I trust Palin over Obama to make the right decision. Let the other people be the specialists within the administration as is the case with every single presidency since George Washington.

wise_man on October 8, 2008 at 11:31 PM

McCain – go after the middle. Reach a little.

Palin – she’s got the base. Oh, and let her off the lease completely. 80% approval rating. She know’s what she’s doing.

Hog Wild on October 8, 2008 at 11:31 PM

I reject David Frum’s argument out of hand. I wrote him today and told him so. Like David Brooks, he’s been “Gergenized” — betraying a supine and clueless conservatism more concerned about cocktail party invitations under an Obama presidency than beating this crypto-Marxist, speech-suppressing thug. We’re supposed to be careful not “whip ourselves into a fury” trying to point out Obama’s vile leftism because of the ramifications if we lose? Not to make a federal case out of the most radical presidential candidate in American history who befriended terrorists and communists and militant anti-American racist preachers and is still associated wih the most militant leftist voter-fraud outfit in America? That’s his advice? Pathetic.

Tell David Frum to get out of the way.

rrpjr on October 8, 2008 at 11:34 PM

Dreadnought223 on October 8, 2008 at 11:21 PM

Excellent, excellent post

And once again we hear from the leftards and chattering class who really want McCain to lose, to drop the Ayers attacks. Can they be any more obvious? Lol!

Blake on October 8, 2008 at 11:29 PM

LOL yep

funky chicken on October 8, 2008 at 11:35 PM

You hear Carville instigating the radical preparation to riot if they lose, “having been up 5% in the polls”. AS IF 5% means squat, particularly if the 5% is a gift from the pollsters. AS IF there were any legitimate grounds to riot should Obama lose. AS IF the only way Obama could lose is if the election were “stolen”. AS IF that legitimizes every ACORN and leftist corrupted voter registration drive.

And Barbara Walters & Ilk eschewing ANY mention of anyone from Obama’s life, past or present, PARTICULARLY AYERS, is a dead give away that they’re scared of the skeletons in their own DNC/SDS closet. AS IF that legitimizes their lies to impugn both McCain’s and Palin’s reputations. It’s not as if they quit playing dirty themselves. They just want a monopoly on sensational news. What’s the difference? AYERS!! The truth about Ayers and his lording association with Obama can NOT be over publicized.

Oh, so McCain wins last night’s debate and Yahoo! posts that McCain lost not because McCain lost in any way except that Yahoo! didn’t want McCain to win anything. So convincing: NOT.

Allahpundit, as frustrating as it is to not be acknowledged by the MSM, you have to find your sense of purpose and value within your work, not in MSM recognition. The coalition of conservative talk radio and blogging journalists is a force that to date has not received its fair due of recognition except to be censored by the Democrat Majority in Congress and in the MSM.

They are jealous. They feel threatened, not with an overnight revolution, but with the shrinking pocket book and shrinking audience. And they are proving Michelle Obama’s America, as they are downright mean.

So that’s as good a sign as they are going to share. It’s the silver lining on the grey lady’s clouds. It’s the smell of the coffee in the morning. By endurance we conquer.

Fortitudine vincimus.

maverick muse on October 8, 2008 at 11:37 PM

I’m going to start contacting radio stations I listen to and tell them that if they want to put these jerks on their show, I will turn it off. I am not going to allow them to make money off of insulting me and adversely affecting the elections.

Blake on October 8, 2008 at 11:37 PM

Tomorrow will we get to benefit from David Brooks’s urgent advice for McCain? Then we will definitely need to hear from David Gergen and Peggy Noonan, and of course Kathleen Parker and Heather MacDonald.

hell, I can’t wait to hear from Madonna and Cybil Shepard too!

funky chicken on October 8, 2008 at 11:38 PM

funky chicken on October 8, 2008 at 11:38 PM

Yeah, you’d think Murphy Brown would have some empathy for Mrs Palin.

Limerick on October 8, 2008 at 11:40 PM

That college degree you want so badly…….not until you do your 12 months digging slit trenches for those poor Sudanese or Ugandan schoolkids….
Limerick on October 8, 2008 at 10:55 PM

My brother’s son graduated from college recently and was awe-struck by Obama-lama-ding-dong, such that he joined the Peace Corps. He was going to do his ‘patriotic duty’ as ascribed by BHO. He was sent to a far off place in the south Pacific and was assigned to dig latrines and then work his way up. He thought that he was going to be “in charge” because he had a college degree and he was a democrat and knew more than those in charge. Short story, he lasted two(2) weeks and quit. The Peace Corps just didn’t recognize his leadership abilities and he was above doing manual labor beneath his abilities. This boy wasn’t brought up to believe that crap at home, he received his indoctrination while attending a government supported college.

belad on October 8, 2008 at 11:40 PM

If anything happens to Senator Obama, Palin and McCain have blood on their hands, IMHO.

philnewkirk on October 8, 2008 at 11:41 PM

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