Barone: Of course Ayers is relevant
posted at 12:00 pm on October 8, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Greta van Susteren asked Michael Barone whether the topic of William Ayers has any relevance to Barack Obama’s candidacy last night after the debate. He replies that it’s at least as legitimate as Sarah Palin’s per diem, and gives three reasons for why it should get more attention:
Barone’s three reasons:
- Obama stresses his commonality with the American people. Do most people feel comfortable working closely with unrepentant domestic terrorists who still want to overthrow the capitalist system in America?
- Obama presses educational issues as part of his campaign. He spent years working with Ayers on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which pushed efforts to create primary educational organizations that would create political activists for the Left – and which largely failed in any of its intended purposes.
- Obama has lied and obfuscated about his relationship with Ayers. Clearly, Ayers was not just “some guy in the neighborhood”, but a political adviser at least on educational issues who provided a key launch for Obama’s political career.
I think the latter two are more compelling than the first. Perhaps a better way of structuring the first point would be to relate it to Obama’s insistence that he has better judgment than John McCain to lead the nation. Can anyone believe that a man who worked with an unrepentant domestic terrorist for years and considered him “mainstream” has the judgment necessary for the Presidency?
Expect Sarah Palin to continue to lead the charge on this topic. She has effectively used the media scrutiny surrounding her to get national media coverage on Ayers, with surprising results. So far, the Obama campaign simply has not effectively rebutted it, and in fact has made the damage worse.
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Ed, when you are “progressive”, there is no importance of what you did or how you did it, as long as they help you reach the top. This is what I have been noticing with the Obamaessiah nuts.
This is my theory and I am sticking to it.
upinak on October 8, 2008 at 12:04 PM
Barone approaches my primary concern with Ayers:
This is the type of Department of Education we could expect to see in an Obama adminstraion. If people think No Child Left Behind is bad, just wait until “social justice” is the primary goal of education.
Margee on October 8, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Don’t forget Dohrn.
I saw a clip on these too and “unrepentant” is the mildest word that could be used for these violent, commie, America-haters.
ex-Democrat on October 8, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Yes indeed it is very important to bring up people who bho was and is involved with. Keep up the good work Sarah getting this out to inform the public.
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letget on October 8, 2008 at 12:05 PM
FTFY
cntrlfrk on October 8, 2008 at 12:07 PM
If I had associated with Anton Szandor LaVey, you would hardly put me in charge of your childrens’ bible class.
LimeyGeek on October 8, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Thanks!
I also should have said that Obama learned it from somewhere (ayers)… now where did ayers learn it from?
upinak on October 8, 2008 at 12:08 PM
I’ve wondered how long this Ayers craphole had to wait for the coast to clear before his nuts dropped and he was able dance on our nation’s flag in that alleyway without fear of being beaten up.
AubieJon on October 8, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Every time I see those pics of him dancing on The Flag, I want to choke the living sh*t out of him.
cntrlfrk on October 8, 2008 at 12:09 PM
It’s all about judgement, and O!’s lack thereof.
JimK on October 8, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Rush thinks that Bambi will have to toss ACORN under the bus sooner or later.
ManlyRash on October 8, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Ultimately, it’s for the American people to decide on election day.
TheBigOldDog on October 8, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Barone points to my primary concern with the Ayers association:
This is the type of Department of Education we could expect under an Obama adminstration. If people think No Child Left Behind is bad, just wait for a “social justice” emphasis in education.
Margee on October 8, 2008 at 12:11 PM
You and every other real red-blooded American!
I wish Ed would have also posted the links to the guy (forgot name) that is linking a lot of this story together….
upinak on October 8, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Fred Thompson thought it was relevant too and wondered why the NYT DIDN’T think so. ( he knew)
Sarah having her daughters baby is relevant. Ayres making sure two policeman NEVER see their daughters AGAIN should be relevant.
Colmes tried to pass this off as GUILT BY ASSOCIATION and that’s ridiculous GBA would be if we thought Obama was a bomber too.
This is about judgement and lies and Obama has LIED about his relationship with Ayers AND his ex-con wife.
originalpechanga on October 8, 2008 at 12:12 PM
I think, it goes even deeper than what’s been told.
Knowing what we know NOW, about the Ayers/OBonzo connection, it looks to me, OBonzo is actually the Front-Man for Ayers.
Ayers can’t run for State or National office with HIS background, but his hand-picked, sweet-talkin’, shape-shiftin’, ivy-league LAWYER sure can.
franksalterego on October 8, 2008 at 12:12 PM
And as we say on my blog:
Immunity from prosectution doesn’t mean innocence of ACTION.
originalpechanga on October 8, 2008 at 12:13 PM
We need to tie Ayers to Obama’s membership with the Socialist “New Party”…
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/10/web-archives-confirm-barack-obama-was.html
ninjapirate on October 8, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Barone is one of the best at understanding how these issues register with voters; almost down to the township level. And of course he is correct about Ayers. The only people who have problems with him being brought up repeatedly are the media types in the tank for Obama.
When Palin was named they became scared because they knew she would be warmly received by the electorate — and she has. Ayers is viewed as a traitor to this nation. No one like that but the MSM knows that Palin hammering away at this is hurting Obama more each day. So they call McCain and Palin racist for questioning Obama being friends with a known terrorist.
grdred944 on October 8, 2008 at 12:15 PM
As I’ve said before, Obama hates America, but loves the real estate. If he wins, he won’t try to gradually sneak socialism in like Carter…he’ll try it more like his heroes: Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler…need I go on?
stonemeister on October 8, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Why make such distinctions? Ayers had the same motives as any other terrorist, and used the same methods. Why not just call him a terrorist?
jaime on October 8, 2008 at 12:17 PM
You know why it matters most?
Because Obama is running on judgment, not experience. That’s why Ayers is completely fair game. His association with Ayers goes straight to his judgment, which shows that he has poor judgment.
I think the McCain/Palin camp has to coalesce around this idea, or else Obama is just going to continue to insist that this is a “smear”.
If you frame this in Obama’s own context, that he’s fit to lead because of his superior judgment, then you can say, hey wait no, you don’t have good judgment, you started your career in the living room of a domestic terrorist.
Easy.
Seixon on October 8, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Anybody have any more info on the whacky charter schools Ayers started? I heard one was a school based on the UN, where they practiced looking the other way during genocide and allowing those who commit it, on the security council.
I would like a list of all the schools and be able to see if any of the students graduated with the ability to read and write.
Blake on October 8, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Does Obama believe William Ayers was bombing buildings 30 years ago? I need to know this.
/mattdamon
saint kansas on October 8, 2008 at 12:17 PM
I’m still convinced the two of them crossed paths when Obama was at Columbia, and Obama went to Chicago because of Ayers.
McLovin on October 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM
What did Obama do when he went to Pakistan? And who paid for the trip? And what did this have to do with him attending Columbia?
Inquiring minds want to know.
stonemeister on October 8, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Keep hammering this stuff home,maybe some people are still undecieded,and might be swayed,I can hope.
budaside on October 8, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Because Americans tend to forgive those who repent and are sincere in their repentance. Had Ayers changed his mind, served time in prison and then publicly denounced what he had done, most people wouldn’t be nearly as upset with him as they are now. Not only does he NOT repent of what he did, but he tells people that he ish he could have done even more.
ManlyRash on October 8, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Ayers is central to Osama Obama’s chances of winning. As long as the MSM apologizes for him — that makes them “co-conspirators” in my book — the general public, many of whom weren’t even alive when Bomber Bill was doing his thing, won’t get fired up about this.
The Kos and HuffPoo crowd love Ayers for stomping on our Flag.
Simply put, anyone with close ties to a scummy traitor like Ayers rightly runs the risk of being branded a traitor himself. No rational person would do that.
MrScribbler on October 8, 2008 at 12:21 PM
What did Obama do when he went to
PakistanPOCK-EE-STAAHN? And who paid for the trip? And what did this have to do with him attending Columbia?Fixed it.
ManlyRash on October 8, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Amended.
MrScribbler on October 8, 2008 at 12:22 PM
campaigning for a Marxist Thug in Keyna goes to the heart of Judgement too, and its on Tape and he Recently did this for the Radical Marxist candidate.
as far as we know he’s not on tape yet with Ayers, video evidence is killer stuff
jp on October 8, 2008 at 12:23 PM
“The Real Obama” by Thomas Sowell at National Review yesterday is a good rebuttal to anyone claiming the Ayers issue isn’t relevant.
dish on October 8, 2008 at 12:24 PM
There’s also this theory to consider, which if true and could be proven would be the finish of the Obama campaign:
‘Did Bill Ayers Write Obama’s “Dreams [From My Father]”?’
by Jack Cashill
http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/did_bill_ayers_write_1.htm
RBMN on October 8, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Mrs. Palin – I pulled the pin out for ya:
“Why did Obama move to Chicago? Maybe he followed Bill Ayres home from Columbia U in NY. After all, they lived a few blocks apart. Was Ayres was just ’some guy in the neighborhood’ there too?” -Saracuda
Akzed on October 8, 2008 at 12:27 PM
some of the idiots at NRO are claiming this stuff isn’t relevant, fortunately there are sane minds like McCarthy and Levin.
some of those guys are so freaking scared of appearing “fair minded” and friendly with sensitive libs their brains are fried at this point.
jp on October 8, 2008 at 12:28 PM
It also separates him from the Islamic flavor of terrorist.
In other words, he has even less real reason to behave this way.
The Quran describes what you can do with an infidel, and is in a wierd way at least an understandable point of origin.
His reason…CHANGE!…
Sound familiar?
Marine_Bio on October 8, 2008 at 12:28 PM
As I’ve said before, Obama hates America,
stonemeister on October 8, 2008 at 12:16 PM
His associations confirm this. Is there any person or group Barry has been working with that is clearly pro-American? I can’t think of one, at least not in his past.
Even his choice of church of 20 yrs., TUCC, espoused Black Liberation Theology. And there is no way, none, that BO could avoid knowing this.
That all of this is being discussed now, in the eleventh hour so to speak, is so absurd that it makes my head spin.
After the last election I sat down at my computer and did some research on Obama knowing that he had aspirations for national office. It was all there. In a few, short hours I knew that this man was not suitable to be POTUS. Nothing in his past suggests a moderate, mainstream philosophy.
Yet here he is – closer to the WH than should ever have been allowed.
Cody1991 on October 8, 2008 at 12:29 PM
The media should interview Ayers. What is his philosophy today?
apacalyps on October 8, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Interesting:
Grow Fins on October 8, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Yes- why would Obama feel the need to lie about Ayers if it wasn’t important?
drjohn on October 8, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Bill Ayers and his father Tom Ayers (the godfather of Democrat Chicago Politics) was Barack Obama’s stepping stone into the big leagues of Democratic Politics. Yes of course that is important. It also ties back to Dailey, to Rev. Wright, to Rezko and the rest of the Chicago Machine. For Obama to dismiss Bill Ayers as merely “a guy from the neighborhood” is nonsense.
But hell, I am preaching to the choir here. Why not let John McCain tell this to the American people who don’t know about it yet.
Mr. Joe on October 8, 2008 at 12:32 PM
As a famous Democrat once said, “All politics is local.”. If you want things turned around, you must convert your local area to conservative principles. Get rid of as many entitlements as possible. Force your local school system to educate, not indoctrinate… enforce a strong grade scale and require results…. even if your own kids get held back. Require them to be properly educated to advance. Cut local spending as much as possible… be very very stingy with your government. Get your city, county and state in a position to not need federal government funds so you can’t have that hammer held over your head. All the money pumped into states and locals combined with the power the fed now holds over them has undermined the system.
You make those changes and the freeloaders will have no choice but to go elsewhere. Wash, rinse, repeat as necessary until “elsewhere” is Mexico or Canada or anywhere else they care to go and not contribute. When you have generational welfare, you truly have a problem that has been permitted to go on far too long. Take care of those that cannot take care of themselves… all others can get a job.
CC
CapedConservative on October 8, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Why is the MSM afraid to do an in depth interview with BO to clear up any misinformation that is in the public arena? More interesting is why does BO not do it?
d1carter on October 8, 2008 at 12:33 PM
I believe that happened just before the VP debate, and in a debate context it was directed at Joe Biden–not Obama.
RBMN on October 8, 2008 at 12:34 PM
How can the MAJORITY of Americans not want to beat the crap out of that scumbag when they see the pic of him dancing on our flag??
How can this same majority not care?
What’s happened to this country’s soul?
pherrman on October 8, 2008 at 12:34 PM
You have to understand the leftist mind set. If you really could create heaven on earth by just engaging in a few “unpleasant” activities now, wouldn’t you?
Essentially, the left’s utopian impulses lead it towards eventually justifying almost any means. Fortunately for us most western leftists value comfort more then a real close adherence to their political ideology.
18-1 on October 8, 2008 at 12:35 PM
They sold it for the price of a mortgage payment and the cost of advertising time on Dancing with the Stars.
ManlyRash on October 8, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Democratic Senator Barack Obama sure has some scary friends who don’t like America much. It seems like all the bad guys want him to become President. That doesn’t make him a friend of the terrorist, but Americans should ask themselves why their worst enemies want him to win the election.
apacalyps on October 8, 2008 at 12:41 PM
FIFY
Marine_Bio on October 8, 2008 at 12:42 PM
I realize that people here hate Dick Morris (and I admit he’s a pretty strange guy), but Morris hates Obama and last night on H&C he provided an excellent explanation of how Obama and Ayers squandered grants for as much as $161 million dollars on Ayers’s activist nonsense. Now that’s the kind of horsesh*t and waste that voters–and particular parents–stand up and notice. Seriously, what school district in the country wouldn’t want access to that kind of money to improve the school in many respects? Ayers and Obama blew it on nonsense.
Hannity, helpful as he can sometimes be, always blabs on about the patriotic stuff that doesn’t seem to rattle many independents. He and McCain should talk about some serious dough, and that gets their attention. And keep in mind, this position is Obama’s only executive experience. The guy clearly isn’t a good steward of other people’s money.
And don’t tell me these guy weren’t close. You don’t work together to steer $161 million to Ayers’s off-the-wall programs without being close. For crying out loud, they weren’t trading baseball cards on the playground. Besides, how does anyone argue that Obama doesn’t share Ayers’s radicalism when he cooperated with the distributions for whacky purposes? As an officer of that foundation, Obama had a fiduciary duty to fulfill the foundation’s purposes. If he now wants to say that he had no idea what Ayers was up to, you have to wonder about Obama’s ability as an executive.
BuckeyeSam on October 8, 2008 at 12:46 PM
We need to tie Ayers to Obama’s membership with the Socialist “New Party”…
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/10/web-archives-confirm-barack-obama-was.html
ninjapirate on October 8, 2008 at 12:13 PM
>>>>>
Wowee shawowee. This needs to be on every front page in the nation. This really does tie HIM into the strategies to undo America.
And I’ve noticed that he ALWAYS talks about education being his priority. Now we know why.
justincase on October 8, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Yes, why indeed?
Certainly a legit question – why doesn’t someone in the MSM just ask and clear it all up for us?
***crickets***
tru2tx on October 8, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Ayers is especially important as the thread gets pulled through Wright, ACORN, Rezko, his Palestinian backer and on to his earmark kickbacks to all mentioned and then some.
I assume, a dangerous word, that Palin will be doing exactly this over the next couple of weeks. The end of which will be a compelling story of who Obama is.
Whether it wins the election is a separate issue.
patrick neid on October 8, 2008 at 12:50 PM
I’d like to know what turned Dick Morris off to Obama. Morris worked for the Odinga campaign. I wonder if there was some disillusionment there. There’s more to that story than meets the eye.
justincase on October 8, 2008 at 12:52 PM
Does Barack’s association with this unrepentent domestic terrorist make him a member of the Ayerian nation?
eaglewingz08 on October 8, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Good point – and does Obooboo use that ever as a comeback for not having much in the way of actual executive experience?
tru2tx on October 8, 2008 at 1:00 PM
Just in case it hasn’t been posted, do you mean this guy?
LastRick on October 8, 2008 at 1:01 PM
All three of Barone’s reasons are important; the first not more than the others, but perhaps of equal weight.
There seems to be another pattern emerging, related to Reason #1; perhaps not THE pattern, but an important one nonetheless.
Obama seems unable to stand up to forceful personalities that seem to be his friends, allies or politically similar, or to see them for what they are and judge their words, actions and demands accordingly.
Obama followed Wright, and seems to have unquestioningly done as he was told, for 20 years, and seems to have dropped him only after Wright suggested that it might be necessary.
The same seems true for Ayres. Was ACORN Obama’s ides, or Ayres’, and Obama was simply along for the ride? Obama is glued to ACORN, and we (the US) are paying for it. Let’s not do this again.
Obama saw nothing wrong with allowing Rezko to arrange for him to pay $1.6million for a $2.6million home; when questioned about it, he admitted it was boneheaded. Did he not know something was wrong, after Rezko’s failures in housing renovation efforts in, among others. Obama’s district?
Now look at Obama’s relationships to Johnson and Raines. They seem to have given him money, then later rolled in to his offices, after failing at Fannie Mae, expecting important positions.
My guess is that one or more senior campaign advisers managed to put them on hold, then convince Obama that they were boat anchors and Obama’s boat wasn’t big enough. They were allowed to play a part, then tossed out.
How would Obama stand up to Ahmedinejad, Kim or Chavez?
The problems with Obama are more than just a lack of judgement, lack of experience, no idea what America is really like or all about. There is a lack of strength of character, sufficient moral fiber, experience, …..
Do we need to see this in a President of the United States?
Arbalest on October 8, 2008 at 1:01 PM
Grow Fins on October 8, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Typical lefty douchebag–get your panties in a bunch because someone may have possibly said something at a campaign stop, but the Dhimmicrat party selected candidate hangs out with a guy who built bombs and supports the murder of Americans–that is nothing to worry about.
I hope the Barack X campaign is getting their $7/hour worth.
PimFortuynsGhost on October 8, 2008 at 1:02 PM
The bald fact of Ayers as a colleague just leads to a bunch of debatable points… child’s play for Obama’s handlers.
Obama being in charge of dispersing 100 [?] million dollars not to schools but to community organizations to push schools not for education but for Marxist indoctrination is a damning fact. One, he’s not just liberal, he’s an outright socialist. Two, he’s not even effective at that.
Throw in that in his other foundation work he directed millions into trying to get the 2nd Amendment overturned and you’ve made the guy as toxic as FM/FM loan waste.
But McCain has already blown it. By sharing the stage and extending senatorial deferenece and courtesy to Obama, how does he turn around and make such damning charges? He’s already lent Obama all the stature he needs to coast on to election day.
Chaz on October 8, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Freepers have a thread on the Obama/Genocide/Odinga thing
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2100335/posts
nice photo someone has, this should be an email chain and pushed hard.
I guess they will counter with trying to claim Repubs. support genocide/terrorist with one of those Cuban Freedom fighter guys and some other moral equivalence.
Odinga is a Radical Socialist Thug
jp on October 8, 2008 at 1:04 PM
Bingo.
Buy Danish on October 8, 2008 at 1:07 PM
Birds of a feather flock together!
Ayers=Obomba philosophy
Mercy4Me on October 8, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Wait wait wait, it’s more important that Todd Palin is being associated w/the Alaska Independence Party by the MSM. That’s what’s important here. You’re just trying to distract us.
Akzed on October 8, 2008 at 1:10 PM
Obama’s relationship to the Ayer’s family goes back a lot further than he is admitting.
You can read more here:
“Who “sent” Obama?”
http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/04/who-sent-obama.html
Lots of links after the read including the early connection of Ayers and Obama in New York in mid-1980s:
“Why Won’t Obama Talk About Columbia?”
* Ayers and Obama study in New York at the same time, within blocks of each other, in the early 80s.
* Obama studies under Edward Said, and friend of Ayers.
* Both are involved in a school reform issue in 1988 in Chicago.
* Bernardine Dohrn, despite not being accepted to the bar, gets job at Sidley Austin law firm due to influence of Ayers’ father.
* Michelle Robinson (now Obama) also works at Sidley.
* Following law school, Obama gets job at Sidley. Ayers influence? Hmm…
* Through work at Woods, CAC, Obama and Ayers fund old radical (and terrorist) friends of Said and Ayers.
* In 1995, Ayers and Dohrn host political coming out party for Obama. And we are supposed to believe he was a stranger to them, and vice versa?
http://rochesterconservative.com/blog/why-won%E2%80%99t-obama-talk-about-columbia/
albill on October 8, 2008 at 1:11 PM
cntrlfrk on October 8, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Absolutely,
I’m hopeful someday he will pass through Texas, perhaps for one of his terrorist book signing. Me and some of my X Military friend would love to meet him. That Flag he’s dancing on cover one of our fallen friend. Personally, what I would like to do to this man, I can’t say. But this is Texas, we take care of shit like this.
…….God Bless Texas!
try again later on October 8, 2008 at 1:11 PM
If Obama questions McCain’s judgment in the final debate, McCain simply must pursue the nuclear option and invoke Ayers. If he doesn’t do this, then he deserves to lose this election.
CliffHanger on October 8, 2008 at 1:11 PM
Michael Medved had been saying this issue is a loser for the Republican ticket, but he has not adequately explained why. Of course, he’s the same guy who thought this crap sandwich of a bailout was a good idea, so go figure.
SKYFOX on October 8, 2008 at 1:14 PM
To quote someone from the Politico article on Ayers yesterday….
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 8, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Yup
PierreLegrand on October 8, 2008 at 1:16 PM
There’s an old youtube video of Obama championing his Annenberg work as evidence he’s qualified (in his failed House race I believe). Someone with more 3l33t sk1llz than I should tack that onto the beginning of a video explaining what Annenberg was and how utterly worthless it ended up being. Obama has injected education into both debates from out of nowhere. It’s one thing he actually has a record on. It simply must be brought to light.
O/T but my Hillary loving moderate mother in law absolutely will not be voting Obama. This latest round of Ayers stuff has pushed her over the edge. It may still work!
hump1201 on October 8, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Absolutely,
I’m hopeful someday he will pass through Texas, perhaps for one of his terrorist book signing. Me and some of my X Military friend would love to meet him. That Flag he’s dancing on cover one of our fallen friend. Personally, what I would like to do to this man, I can’t say. But this is Texas, we take care of shit like this.
…….God Bless Texas!
try again later on October 8, 2008
You are an uber-violent caveman for even suggesting such a thing.
Can I watch? I’ll bring beer.
SKYFOX on October 8, 2008 at 1:16 PM
And everytime Ayers name is mentioned, it needs to be asked, “What else is he hiding from us? The MSM isn’t going to tell you” He’s been blatently dishonest about his relationship with Ayers, what else was going on during that relationship? Enquiring Minds want to know-
anniekc on October 8, 2008 at 1:17 PM
Try it, but these seems to be too little too late.
Of course it’s relevant and of course Obama is a Marxist and a terrorist sympathizer, but at this point in the campaign, it smacks of desperation.
But then again, a lot of people are just starting to pay attention. A lot of stupid people, let’s be frank.
Who probably won’t understand the significance of this. But by all means, throw that deep ball.
NoDonkey on October 8, 2008 at 1:17 PM
1995 was a helluva year. In January, Obama gets picked to head the $100 million Annenberg Challenge. In June, Obama’s memoir comes out. There’s a fundraiser at Ayers place soon after as Obama begins his run for office. Alot of time spent with Ayers that year. Enough time to write Obama’s memoir for him? Who knows, they clearly spent alot of time together.
LastRick on October 8, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Ask and ye shall receive. Link is here. Said video is imbedded at that page.
LastRick on October 8, 2008 at 1:21 PM
For several months now I have researched on my own Barack Hussein Obama. The information available out there on this man, while somewhat limited, is by far enough to convict him of hanging with the most radical people this nation has ever seen. What people seem to be missing in this Ayers issue is the connection he has to Wright, Pflegger, Farrakhan and Alinsky. There are other connections as well that can be made to Khalidi and from there to various Hamas and Hezbollah bad actors. Even Axelrod should be included in this tangled web of radicals. Here is the deal; these people ALL traveled in the same circles, even going back to Frank Marshall Davis. They are like a fraternity. If you sit down and plot this out like a family tree, you will see they are incestuous. It is frustrating to me that no one has sat down and diagramed this all out. You can see in Obama’s book and in his responses to almost every issue the regurgitating of Alinsky, Ayers, Davis, Wright, Farrakhan, et al. If you look at Ayers’ books from the late 90’s regarding educating and punishing youth that commit felons; you will see Obama’s philosophy on education and what he wants to do with the yutes of America. Remember the recent video of the Black youth chanting Obama? That is pure Alinsky/Ayers!
As far as the question about Morris and Obama. When Dick went to Kenya I think he saw the light after Odinga had innocent Kenyans murdered.
freeus on October 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM
I’ll barbeque.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM
Someone has, actually… I *think* it was AmericanThinker.com, but I can’t remember to be sure, someone here linked it last week. They had a very nice, very explanative flow chart of Obama and his backstory.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 8, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Oh, for crying out loud. Of course Ayers is “relevant.” But that’s hardly the point.
Our country is on the brink of economic calamity. We face a crisis in entitlement spending. And an implacable enemy is in hot pursuit of a nuclear bomb. Etc, etc. Against that backdrop, we dig for dirt and scandal. We look small and inconsequential, and we are.
Come Nov. 4, the GOP is going to take it in the teeth. And we deserve it. We’re petty.
paul006 on October 8, 2008 at 1:26 PM
You consider the possibility of a president with close friendships with terrorists “petty” and “inconsequential”? You sir are a fool.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 8, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Grue, I’m not sure Paul is as much of a fool as he is in a state of panic.
His point is that there is so much as stake that this looks petty.
Unfortunately, I fear that while Paul is right about the gravity of situations he describes, the american electorate will not care about these things.
We as a nation are in trouble if the electorate will not get its collective head out of its collective a$$.
Marine_Bio on October 8, 2008 at 1:43 PM
Nobody could get anywhere near the presidency if they had a working relationship with Tim Mcveigh or Eric Rudolph.
Nobody could get anywhere near the presidency if they had been a follower and friend of David Duke for 20 years.
The only difference between the first two scumbags and Ayers is that Ayers wasn’t as successful carrying out his sick, twisted and criminal plans.
The only differences between Duke and Wright are the color of their skin and the colors of their targets skin.
Either association by itself would disqualify a candidate for elective office. Obama has both.
It doesn’t matter? Get f-ing real.
hump1201 on October 8, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Pretty obvious, Paul’s a troll. Any “thinking” person can connect the dots and see what a man with Obama’s complete and utter lack of morals and ahem, “judgement” is going to do to America. case in point: ACORN. That’s Obama’s baby, and he’s going to spread his sleaze and corruption all over American’s rights. It’s no lie that 95% of the population will have lower taxes, but they aren’t going to have jobs either. Big business is the only thing keeping the economy going, but that pandering lunatic is going to screw, “the rich guys”, just for you! Keep that in mind, trolls.
anniekc on October 8, 2008 at 1:46 PM
With the last debate being on the economy, there certainly will be a discussion on education. John should be prepared with all the facts to attack Oslime-a with.
csdeven on October 8, 2008 at 1:54 PM
It’s not just the American electorate that doesn’t care. Many of the people who post here don’t seem to care. We just want our red meat. We want scandal and dirt and theatre, and anything that helps us to feel morally superior to our ideological opponents. We are the Jerry Springers of politics.
How far we’ve come from the days of Ronald Reagan, when the GOP had vision and purpose. As a political party, we Republicans have become a profoundly unserious people. (Is it because even most Republicans were educated in public schools? I don’t know.)
The Democrats don’t deserve to win; but we deserve to lose. A party as trifling and morally dwarfed as ours has no business governing a great nation.
paul006 on October 8, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Character and Judgment are two keys qualities Americans look for in a President. Obama has none. I heard that “Resistance is futile” once on a Star Trek episode. The mind hive is busy working it seems. Collectivism is just around the corner. The liberal brainwashing is on high right now, and it is sucking the very foundations of our individualism right out of our brains. Wake up people! Can’t you see beyond this empty suit of rhetoric? This is Saul Alinsky tactics, this is Frank Marshall Davis tactics, this is Malcolm X tactics, this Reverand Wright tactics, this is Father Flager tactics, this is Farrakhan tactics, this man was delivered to us by Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour and the Saudi Prince Al-Waleed Bib Talal. Follow the money trail! Do you know these people? Have you done your homework? Are you informed voters?
As Michelle Phillips wrote on September 26th:
An excerpt from Subversives for Obama…
“Barack Obama appears to sit on a nexus between Marxist revolutionary activists, unrepentant former terrorists, Black Power racists, Chicago mobsters – oh, and a Saudi who is trying to buy up America. If you were to turn up at US immigration control with a background of such associates, it’s a fair bet they wouldn’t let you off the air-bridge. Yet this man may well become President of the US! If any other candidate had had merely a fleeting relationship with William Ayers, his candidacy would have been terminated before it was even articulated — let alone what we now know about Obama’s key role in Ayers’s CAC and its funding of radical groups; let alone the fact that Obama had been mentored during his formative years by a Communist Party plant; let alone his work for organizations modeled on the seditious philosophy of Saul Alinsky; let alone his two-decade membership of a Black Power church; let alone his relationship with fraudster Tony Rezko. And yet despite all of this, virtually no-one in the mainstream media is asking any questions. Has there ever been a more staggering, surreal and scary race to the White House?”
Kevin in Washington State on October 8, 2008 at 1:56 PM
oops, typo
Saudi Prince Al-Waleed Bin Talal
Kevin in Washington State on October 8, 2008 at 1:58 PM
I’m still convinced the two of them crossed paths when Obama was at Columbia, and Obama went to Chicago because of Ayers.
McLovin on October 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM
I’m with you McLovin! I believe that is one of the reasons he will not release anything about his Columbia years because his involvement with Ayers starts there.
Bountiful on October 8, 2008 at 2:03 PM
Investigative journalism is dead.
The American people are about to “hire” a man that the MSM hasn’t done their due diligence with his records, or lack thereof.
Working in HR, I’ve seen receptionist get a more thorough background check than the MSM has done with Obama.
Occidental College records — Not released
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia Thesis paper — “not available”
Harvard College records — Not released
Selective Service Registration — Not released
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate schedule — “not available”
Law practice client list — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles published — None
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
Illinois State Senate records–”not available”
sheryl on October 8, 2008 at 2:04 PM
But Obama has such dreamy eyes! Hope and Change!
stonemeister on October 8, 2008 at 2:08 PM
paul006 has been in a state of panic since March when he posted that Republicans were doomed to lose to either Obama or Hillary.
It’s amazing to me the number of HA posters who say McCain doesn’t have cahones. Some of you should look in the mirror.
Y-not on October 8, 2008 at 2:08 PM
Just because we get riled when we repeatedly hear how LITTLE is being revealed of Obama’s DANGEROUS background, does not mean we no longer care about the issues that you keep parrotting about.
That is why this website has the convenient format of separating topics the way it does. This is where we vent our thoughts on the Ayers issue. If you ONLY want to discuss the economy, do it in one of the economy threads – there’s plenty to choose from and you’ll see just as much raving by us there. We don’t do so here because it’s OFF TOPIC!!
I can’t be any more clear, so “short version”: YES WE CARE. We’re just not discussing it HERE.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 8, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Actually, I think I was wrong in my last post (that he is a defeatist) and you’re right, anniekc. His Reagan post tipped it for me.
yawn
Y-not on October 8, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Ah. Well that explains it all then. Stop insulting the rest of us in your vain attempts to justify your decision to give up, Paul.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 8, 2008 at 2:13 PM
New McCain campaign slogan: If you like Hugo Chavez, you’ll love Barak Hussein Obama!
Vashta.Nerada on October 8, 2008 at 2:13 PM
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