Quote of the day

posted at 11:39 pm on October 7, 2008 by Allahpundit

“Memo to McCain Campaign: Someone is either a terrorist sympathizer or he isn’t; someone is either disqualified as a terrorist sympathizer or he’s qualified for public office. You helped portray Obama as a clealy qualified presidential candidate who would fight terrorists.

If that’s what the public thinks, good luck trying to win this thing.”

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You know who could have spanked Obama silly?

Romney.

Thanks McCain supporters.

Thune on October 8, 2008 at 12:27 AM

Uh, how do I ask for a refund on my campaign contributions?

lorien1973 on October 8, 2008 at 12:28 AM

What did Rush tell us in Oct 2006?

Thats right, McCain would be the nominee and doom us.

blatantblue on October 8, 2008 at 12:30 AM

1. Obama just talks about Iran
2. Iran builds nuke(s)
3. Iran gives nuke(s) to Al Qaeda
4. Al Qaeda sets off nuke(s) in American Citie(s)
5. President Obama does nothing
6. Military takes over and civil war erupts.

This is why the US is not mentioned in the Book of Revelations

bill30097 on October 8, 2008 at 12:30 AM

McCain was standing in front of undecided voters who wanted real answers to their questions, why should he go off on a tangent on something that doesn’t affect them at all?

terryannonline on October 8, 2008 at 12:14 AM

Perhaps in the studio he was standing in front of 80 undecided voters, but in front 40 million voters viewing via tv and the Internet….

carbon_footprint on October 8, 2008 at 12:30 AM

Thune on October 8, 2008 at 12:27 AM

Support McCain? Yep, I do. Right after I supported Thompson then Romney, like a bunch of other folks here. Your fishing net is too large.

Limerick on October 8, 2008 at 12:31 AM

Hawkins1701 on October 8, 2008 at 12:08 AM

He can’t get caught up in defendng Bush right now…it’s a loser…even I’m pissed at Bush right now for the bailout (didn’t he appoint Paulson?)and I’ve always supported him…it’s just a loser…that will get him killed in the MSM… I might be the only one who thinks so… but I think he knows what he is doing …don’t underestimate him or Sarah…

CCRWM on October 8, 2008 at 12:31 AM

McCarthy really doesn’t understand negative politics. It would have been the worst thing to do for McCain to bring up Ayers in this debate. You let Palin and ads do that. Let voters connect the dots.

johnt on October 8, 2008 at 12:19 AM

McCain doesn’t understand narrative unity and consistancy… he didn’t have to bring up Ayers but he still needed to leave in doubts… Ugh… McCain is terrible…

ninjapirate on October 8, 2008 at 12:31 AM

What did Rush tell us in Oct 2006?

Thats right, McCain would be the nominee and doom us.

blatantblue on October 8, 2008 at 12:30 AM

And yet, Rush continues to do the right thing, which is more than I can say for many of you here.

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 12:32 AM

McCarthy summed it up for me. McCain is going the way of Dole, watching him tonight one would come away thinking that he knows he has already lost. I never wanted this guy from the start. Say what you will about Romney (lots of bashers of Romney here, including Allah), he wouldn’t have gone down without a fight and he had a helluva alot better economic message than McCain ever did. He would have also been able to dodge the crap about a vote for McCain is a vote for a 3rd Bush term. He could also have delivered Michigan instead of pussing out and publicly announcing defeat there like bonehead McCain did. Hopefully Sarah won’t be too tainted by this mess.

echosyst on October 8, 2008 at 12:32 AM

OMG! This why too much political analysis is killing our political system. Obama did a good job. McCain did a good job. They stayed on their respective message.

There was also a point in the debate where Obama avoided 3 three consecutive questions.

terryannonline on October 8, 2008 at 12:33 AM

That’s a different issue. I agree on that. McCain needed to attack Obama on economic issues and who is at fault. But I don’t believe that he needed t bring up Obama’s associations.

johnt on October 8, 2008 at 12:26 AM

Yes, he absolutely did have to bring up Obama’s associations. Being able to speak clearly and honestly about the causes of this situation and how Obama is promoting the same crap that put us in this situation is the key to winning this election.

Perfect opportunity for McCain to attack Obama like that was when Obama mentioned how it is so important that we make college education more “affordable”. All he is suggesting is that we implement the same policy that the federal government utilized when they forced the loaners to give money to people who could never pay it back if they had 50 lifetimes. If McCain wants to be effective he needs to be able to explain to the American people that Obama is simply promoting MORE OF THE SAME CRAP THAT PUT US HERE!!!!

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 12:33 AM

On most issues I agree with Andy, but Andy’s vote is locked-up barring a last minute conversion to Obama.

The debate was so rigidly structured that to throw that much red meat would have please Andy and I, but would have turned off the leaners.

One thing I would have liked to have seen done was when the debate addresses education, that McCain bring up Obama’s brand of education under the Annenberg Challenge, where instead of raising the standards on the 3Rs, Obama funded outside groups promoting “social justice” and “racial activism.”

Captain America on October 8, 2008 at 12:34 AM

McCain was standing in front of undecided voters who wanted real answers to their questions, why should he go off on a tangent on something that doesn’t affect them at all?

terryannonline on October 8, 2008 at 12:14 AM

Thats the problem, McCain avoids the real answers like the plague.

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 12:34 AM

What a bunch of fickle posters. Look, he will hit Obama hard outside the debates, like he did on Monday and Palin did all weekend. NOT during the debates when Obama can swing back. That’s the way it is done.

This looking for a great moment in a debate is MSM spin to keep people tuned into the debates. 80% of the campaigns are not won in the debates, they are won on the ground and with TV ads.

bnelson44 on October 8, 2008 at 12:34 AM

carbon_footprint on October 8, 2008 at 12:30 AM

Well I’m a voter that saw it on television and I can tell I don’t care about Bill Ayers.

terryannonline on October 8, 2008 at 12:34 AM

Well we may disagree on what was appropriate for McCain to do tonight, but I think we can all agree that everyone suffers when Ustream and the debate open thread are put together. Night all.

Spirit of 1776 on October 8, 2008 at 12:36 AM

You know who could have spanked Obama silly?
Romney.
Thanks McCain supporters.
Thune on October 8, 2008 at 12:27 AM

Six of one, half dozen of the other. Sure, Romney might have beaten up on Obacon, and we could watch his boring VP choice being marginalized to the point of invisibility. Who would that person be? Hard to say but likely not the popular flamethrower Palin has turned out to be.

Bishop on October 8, 2008 at 12:36 AM

Well I’m a voter that saw it on television and I can tell I don’t care about Bill Ayers.

terryannonline on October 8, 2008 at 12:34 AM

Why don’t you? It speaks to Obama’s judgment and character.

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 12:37 AM

bnelson44 on October 8, 2008 at 12:34 AM

Continue speaking. I like you.

Bishop on October 8, 2008 at 12:37 AM

Thats the problem, McCain avoids the real answers like the plague.

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 12:34 AM

But in case you haven’t noticed so did Sen. Obama. So did Sarah Palin in last week’s debate. What do you expect from politicians?

terryannonline on October 8, 2008 at 12:38 AM

I for one am not fickle at all, I have said McCain is a weak candidate from the get go. Wrong guy for the wrong year. His time has passed and he never got the base excited, in fact he bashes conservatives constantly, not realizing he needs them to get out the vote for him. Fuck ‘em.

echosyst on October 8, 2008 at 12:38 AM

“My government is my worst enemy. I’m going to fight them with any means at hand.”

This was former revolutionary terrorist Bill Ayers back in his old Weather Underground days, right? Imagine what Sarah Palin is going to do with this incendiary quote as she tears into Barack Obama this week.

Only one problem. The quote is from Joe Vogler, the raging anti-American who founded the Alaska Independence Party. Inconveniently for Palin, that’s the very same secessionist party that her husband, Todd, belonged to for seven years and that she sent a shout-out to as Alaska governor earlier this year. (“Keep up the good work,” Palin told AIP members. “And God bless you.”)

Vogler’s greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before the United Nations to denounce United States “tyranny” before the entire world and to demand Alaska’s freedom. The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to sponsor his anti-American harangue.

That’s right … Iran.

ernesto on October 8, 2008 at 12:38 AM

OMG! This why too much political analysis is killing our political system. Obama did a good job. McCain did a good job. They stayed on their respective message.

There was also a point in the debate where Obama avoided 3 three consecutive questions.

terryannonline on October 8, 2008 at 12:33 AM

No Terry, that is dead wrong. This is a knife fight for the survival of our nation as we know it. You and McCain seem to think that all this is just another speech on the Senate floor. Its not. This actually matters and I wish we had a candidate that understood that.

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 12:39 AM

Sssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh,,,

Debate 3 is domestic policy.

Domestic.

Domestic.

Last I checked this is October 7th (*well still is in Texas anyway).

Go to your favorite six-pack and step outside and look at the stars or something. (For you George Will types you can take some micro-brew with you).

Limerick on October 8, 2008 at 12:39 AM

And in the meantime, Lynn De Rothschild was threatened by someone when she mentioned Obama’s ties to Khalidi in a synagogue.

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 12:39 AM

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 12:32 AM

And what would that be, sniper?

blatantblue on October 8, 2008 at 12:39 AM

You know who could have spanked Obama silly?

Romney.

Thanks McCain supporters.

Amen. Thank the Hispanic voters in Florida who bent over for McCain, and knocked Mitt out of the race. (Of course, how does Romney-Palin sound for 2112?)

VastRightWingConspirator on October 8, 2008 at 12:39 AM

But in case you haven’t noticed so did Sen. Obama. So did Sarah Palin in last week’s debate. What do you expect from politicians?

terryannonline on October 8, 2008 at 12:38 AM

Palin does it because she is instructed by the McCain campaign to say certain things a certain way. Obama does it because he’s a liberal and for him to say what he really believes is to not get elected.

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 12:40 AM

ernesto on October 8, 2008 at 12:38 AM

Go whine in Vermont.

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 12:40 AM

Six of one, half dozen of the other. Sure, Romney might have beaten up on Obacon, and we could watch his boring VP choice being marginalized to the point of invisibility. Who would that person be? Hard to say but likely not the popular flamethrower Palin has turned out to be.

That is pure speculation, Romney may have picked Palin too and the top of the ticket matters more at this point. Sarah is great but she cannot make up for McCain’s shortcomings which are numerous. An outside the beltway guy with a string economic message like Romney would have been much better.

echosyst on October 8, 2008 at 12:40 AM

When did Greta VanSusteren turn into Brit Hume and Brit Hume turn into Greta VanSusteren? She’s doing a damn good job and doesn’t fold like a lawn chair. New Sarah interview coming up -

Marcus on October 8, 2008 at 12:41 AM

And what would that be, sniper?

blatantblue on October 8, 2008 at 12:39 AM

He supports the right party.

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 12:41 AM

Why don’t you? It speaks to Obama’s judgment and character.

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 12:37 AM

First, I just think the connection to Ayers is somewhat weak to begin with. Second, I think there are more important issues.

terryannonline on October 8, 2008 at 12:42 AM

You know who could have spanked Obama silly?

Romney.

Thanks McCain supporters. Huckabee supporting bigots.

Thune on October 8, 2008 at 12:27 AM

Fixed.

Patriot33 on October 8, 2008 at 12:42 AM

bnelson44 on October 8, 2008 at 12:34 AM

I’m not sure McCain realizes how far he has to go to win. He sure didn’t look too fired up tonight, and he should have laid the entire economic disaster at the foot of the Dems. This “bipartisan” attitude is going to be his downfall.

WisCon on October 8, 2008 at 12:42 AM

He supports the right party.

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 12:41 AM

So do I.

blatantblue on October 8, 2008 at 12:42 AM

“Obama did a good job. McCain did a good job. ”

UUGGGGHHH! Are you kidding me. McCain was a joke. He couldn’t take a shot. Obama gave him all kinds of openings and McCain just stuck to his talking points and stale sound bites. Fighter pilot my a$$. Guy refuses to pull the trigger on killing shots left and right. Palin runs rings around McCain.

Obama SAYS NOTHING. Anyone with half a brain has no idea what the he*# he is talking about. He never answers directly and nothing he says makes sense or bears even the slightest critique. Anyone voting for him is seriously self delusional.

I weep for our future.

America1st on October 8, 2008 at 12:43 AM

That’s right … Iran.
ernesto on October 8, 2008 at 12:38 AM

Cue the creepy, foreboding music.

–Yawn–

Is it late where you’re at too?

Bishop on October 8, 2008 at 12:43 AM

Six of one, half dozen of the other. Sure, Romney might have beaten up on Obacon, and we could watch his boring VP choice being marginalized to the point of invisibility. Who would that person be? Hard to say but likely not the popular flamethrower Palin has turned out to be.

Bishop on October 8, 2008 at 12:36 AM

Did you just concede that Romney would have been a better candidate but his VP pick would have been boring? I feel like I’m losing my mind.

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 12:44 AM

VastRightWingConspirator on October 8, 2008 at 12:39 AM

However, like I said, Romney backed up McCain tonight. He’s smarter than his supporters, I think.

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 12:44 AM

The more I read of this thread the higher the Lone Star flag creeps up the flag pole. Pretty soon I’ll have to make a decision.

Limerick on October 8, 2008 at 12:45 AM

“My government is my worst enemy. I’m going to fight them with any means at hand.”

This was former revolutionary terrorist Bill Ayers back in his old Weather Underground days, right? Imagine what Sarah Palin is going to do with this incendiary quote as she tears into Barack Obama this week.

Only one problem. The quote is from Joe Vogler, the raging anti-American who founded the Alaska Independence Party. Inconveniently for Palin, that’s the very same secessionist party that her husband, Todd, belonged to for seven years and that she sent a shout-out to as Alaska governor earlier this year. (”Keep up the good work,” Palin told AIP members. “And God bless you.”)

Vogler’s greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before the United Nations to denounce United States “tyranny” before the entire world and to demand Alaska’s freedom. The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to sponsor his anti-American harangue.

That’s right … Iran.

ernesto on October 8, 2008 at 12:38 AM

ernesto is a troll and a LIAR

bill30097 on October 8, 2008 at 12:46 AM

First, I just think the connection to Ayers is somewhat weak to begin with. Second, I think there are more important issues.

terryannonline on October 8, 2008 at 12:42 AM

Terry, the connection is incredibly strong. They worked side by side on more than one nonprofit. OJ Simpson was a murder. I was a child when he slaughtered those people. I would not sit in the same restaurant with the man let alone work side by side with him on ANYTHING! My God am I in an alternate universe right now or something??

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 12:46 AM

ernesto is a troll and a LIAR

bill30097 on October 8, 2008 at 12:46 AM

We know that.

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 12:47 AM

If it makes anyone feel better,..I asked my “magic 8 ball” if obama would win,..it said “don’t count on it”…: o )

christene on October 8, 2008 at 12:47 AM

McCain’s plan to buy up $300 bil of bad mortgages.

I have heard it proposed that we use the FHA program to buy a bunch of these variable rate, 125% mortgages and just convert them to FHA 5 1/2% – 30 year mortgages.

I think thats a good idea. Then people can get an easier payment and either agree to keep the house for 30 years or sell it later.

It CAN be a good idea if done right. McCain has explained it better on the stump. …
My understanding is this:
Lots of HO are in adjustable mortgages for more than the value of their house. It was their fault but them going into foreclosure helps nobody. That is another bad debt, more burden on the banks, one more house sold at rock bottom prices bringing prices down in the neighborhood.

So the goal should be to keep people in their homes BUT NOT A FREE LUNCH.

The govt works to pay down the principle to fair market value of house, and renegotiate rate to std fixed rate. The govt them gets to slap a lien on the house. When home owner sells home, refinances, take home equity line of credit the govt is PAID BACK first.

Homeowners stays in home BUT they don’t get a free lunch.

The bad news is McCain explained it badly.

I got these two explanations from the Hillary Clinton Forum PUMAs whose site I’m beginning to like reading more than this site…these people have a fight and a determination that some on this site could learn from…They have the latest information and they know how to mobilize into action…they don’t just post and whine as there only contribution…

Either way, the chance is actually that the taxpayers will make a lot of profit on the interest payments. Even TODAY only a small portion of the mortgages actually fail, and something like 70% of them are in TWO STATES (FL,CA).

If the government can go to the banks, and say “we will give you 20 cents on the dollar for these CA loans, and say 40cents on the dollar for the ones in Ohio….then convert them to 5 1/2 30year FHA”, the taxpayers could make quite a bit of profit. The govt pays 20,000 for a taxpayer debt of 100,000 thats 80,000 potential profit.

Basically, the govt would become a large collections agency for mortgages, this is the exact same way they make lots of money even though they take on debts that no one else wants. The payoff of the ones that do pay more than makes up for the ones that don’t.

CCRWM on October 8, 2008 at 12:47 AM

Genial John” McCain is a wuss. He ran for President as an ego thing. He really doesn’t care that much about winning because when he loses, he will go back to the Senate and work with his “friends across the aisle” pushing for bi-partisan legislation that the Dems like. And the media will once again be his friend and he will bask in his increased place in history as a guy who got the party’s nomination. In other words, he will be another Bob Dole.

Maybe he was an American hero in the Vietnam War, but in this culture war, he is the guy who caused us to lose perhaps the most decisive battle because he didn’t have enough heart and gumption to fight. He sold us out. What a legacy!

mydh12 on October 8, 2008 at 12:48 AM

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 12:46 AM

Exactly. All I could think of is that I wouldn’t let the man in my house.

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 12:48 AM

christene on October 8, 2008 at 12:47 AM

LOL…Winner of the thread!

Limerick on October 8, 2008 at 12:48 AM

echosyst on October 8, 2008 at 12:40 AM

That’s my point, it’s ALL speculation. Work with what you have now and deal with it, OR grab your binkie and stamp your feet while whining about what could have been.

Mac wasn’t my first choice either but he is now, considering the complete and utter fool the DFL has decided to run.

Handle it or hide under your bed.

Bishop on October 8, 2008 at 12:50 AM

Why can’t the debates be debates where each candidate can question the other?
A moderator should moderate, not be head-quizmaster. How telling it would be if the moderator didn’t ask one question, but was there to keep each candidate in check.

Marcus on October 8, 2008 at 12:50 AM

Exactly. All I could think of is that I wouldn’t let the man in my house.

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 12:48 AM

I mean seriously, If, as Allah says, McCain kicked off his presidential bid in the living room of an unrepentent abortion clinic bomber’s house I wonder if the connection between the two individuals would be perceived as “weak” or “strong?” I just wonder.

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 12:51 AM

Oh and that site is where I also learned about “concerned” trolls…posters who act like they support our candidate but just have so much concern about his performance…they are always full of gloom and doom…their purpose is to demoralize…lots of them here…and they are pretty effective with some of you.

CCRWM on October 8, 2008 at 12:51 AM

The payoff of the ones that do pay more than makes up for the ones that don’t.
CCRWM on October 8, 2008 at 12:47 AM

So the feds are going to make sure all of us get regular rebate checks in the mail as they start to turn a profit?

I know, I laughed too.

Bishop on October 8, 2008 at 12:52 AM

their purpose is to demoralize…lots of them here…and they are pretty effective with some of you.
CCRWM on October 8, 2008 at 12:51 AM

Yep, lots of new names that haven’t been seen before or if they have, rarely. Most of them share the defeatist trait.

Bishop on October 8, 2008 at 12:54 AM

I for one am not fickle at all, I have said McCain is a weak candidate from the get go. Wrong guy for the wrong year. His time has passed and he never got the base excited, in fact he bashes conservatives constantly, not realizing he needs them to get out the vote for him. Fuck ‘em.

echosyst on October 8, 2008 at 12:38 AM

Case in point…troll…so ya gonna vote for Obama cuz McCain doesn’t debate like you want? (like I bet you were all along)

CCRWM on October 8, 2008 at 12:55 AM

…they are always full of gloom and doom…their purpose is to demoralize…lots of them here…

Unfortunately, it’s been like that here for a long time. Most of the time, I don’t know why I bother with HA.

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 12:55 AM

Why can’t the debates be debates where each candidate can question the other?
A moderator should moderate, not be head-quizmaster. How telling it would be if the moderator didn’t ask one question, but was there to keep each candidate in check.

Marcus on October 8, 2008 at 12:50 AM

This might be the dorkiest thing I’ve ever said but I’ve always fantasized about a debate format in which a conservative individual cross examined the Dem candidate and a liberal individual cross examined the Republican candidate. Say Mark Steyn questions Obama and, oh I don’t know, Gwenn Ifill questions McCain.

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 12:55 AM

I mean seriously, If, as Allah says, McCain kicked off his presidential bid in the living room of an unrepentent abortion clinic bomber’s house I wonder if the connection between the two individuals would be perceived as “weak” or “strong?” I just wonder.

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 12:51 AM

Of course, I don’t deny there is a media double standard. McCain would be lambasted if the table’s were turn. However, right now we have to deal with what we got. I think McCain needs to talk the American people.

terryannonline on October 8, 2008 at 12:56 AM

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 12:55 AM

Sounds reasonable to me.

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 12:56 AM

This debate was terrible. They were beholden to Brokaw and what he decided were the important questions, but most of the questions were redundant and gave Obama the chance to echo his talking points. We learned nothing new here, except for McCain’s new housing initiative, WTH? I thought for a brief moment when McCain said “I’m glad to be here at a town hall with you” that the gloves were coming off. But I also told my hubby that this format would not be appropriate (to most undecided/uniformed voters) for ignoring questions and going back and forth.

thevastlane on October 8, 2008 at 12:57 AM

Did you just concede that Romney would have been a better candidate but his VP pick would have been boring? I feel like I’m losing my mind.
Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 12:44 AM

Try not to read too hard between the lines, those are just dust specks on your screen, not words. Concentrate on the word “might” in my post.

Bishop on October 8, 2008 at 12:57 AM

Of course, I don’t deny there is a media double standard. McCain would be lambasted if the table’s were turn. However, right now we have to deal with what we got. I think McCain needs to talk the American people.

terryannonline on October 8, 2008 at 12:56 AM

No, McCain needs a game changing moment. Talking to the American people has got him in a death spiral. We’re in injury time, unless something BIG happens, its over.

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 12:59 AM

Keep movin’, movin’, movin’,
Though they’re disapprovin’,
Keep them doggies movin’ Rawhide!
Don’t try to understand ‘em,
Just rope and throw and grab ‘em,
Soon we’ll be living high and wide.
Boy my heart’s calculatin’
My true love will be waitin’, be waiting at the end of my ride.

Night all. Remember to get up and fight tomorrow.

Limerick on October 8, 2008 at 12:59 AM

The payoff of the ones that do pay more than makes up for the ones that don’t.
CCRWM on October 8, 2008 at 12:47 AM

So the feds are going to make sure all of us get regular rebate checks in the mail as they start to turn a profit?

I know, I laughed too.

Bishop on October 8, 2008 at 12:52 AM

I’ve dome more to try to explain my candidates position than you have… go do some research and give it a whirl…

CCRWM on October 8, 2008 at 12:59 AM

Unfortunately, it’s been like that here for a long time. Most of the time, I don’t know why I bother with HA.

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 12:55 AM

Agree, and I’ve been reading since day 1 but am sick to death of gulp Any other site you recommend? Huffington Post for the Conservative this is NOT. And from what I’ve read the liberals eat that site up because no doom and gloom for their side is permitted. I think it does have an effect.

Marcus on October 8, 2008 at 1:00 AM

thevastlane on October 8, 2008 at 12:57 AM

I do agree with that. The questions were boring. Same old…same old. And the format promoted just more of the same. Frankly, Lehrer and Ifill debate formats were much better. Brokaw was stuffy and the atmosphere was stuffy.

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 1:00 AM

I’m kind of glad I missed the debate. Debates don’t matter, and are quickly forgotten unless something goes horribly wrong for someone. Nothing bad happened tonight? Move on to tomorrow. I will say that the latest round of “It’s over! Obama won!” is nothing more than a lot of dems attempting to deflate the Republicans enthusiasm. It’s trash talk, friends.
It means nothing, except possibly that the dems are trying to convince themselves that they are going to win.
McCain/Palin 2008 will do just fine. If you are worried, ask yourself: “Will my worry accomplish anything other than giving myself a headache?” Nope. Go to bed.

Doug on October 8, 2008 at 1:01 AM

Gotta disagree that Romney would have avoided being called a Third Bush Term. The Bush family practically endorsed him.

Speedwagon82 on October 8, 2008 at 1:01 AM

McCarthy vents:

We have a disaster here — which is what you should expect when you delegate a non-conservative to make the conservative (nay, the American) case. We can parse it eight ways to Sunday, but I think the commentary is missing the big picture.

Here’s what Obama needed to do tonight: Convince the country that he was an utterly safe, conventional, centrist politician who may have leftward leanings but will do the right thing when the crunch comes.

Now, as the night went along, did you get the impression that Obama comes from the radical Left? Did you sense that he funded Leftist causes to the tune of tens of millions of dollars? Would you have guessed that he’s pals with a guy who brags about bombing the Pentagon? Would you have guessed that he helped underwrite raging anti-Semites? Would you come away thinking, “Gee, he’s proposing to transfer nearly a trillion dollars of wealth to third-world dictators through the UN”?

Nope. McCain didn’t want to go there. So Obama comes off as just your average Center-Left politician. Gonna raise your taxes a little, gonna negotiate reasonably with America’s enemies; gonna rely on our very talented federal courts to fight terrorists and solve most of America’s problems; gonna legalize millions of hard-working illegal immigrants.

McCain? He comes off as Center-Right .. or maybe Center-Left … but, either way, deeply respectful of Obama despite their policy quibbles.

Great. Memo to McCain Campaign: Someone is either a terrorist sympathizer or he isn’t; someone is either disqualified as a terrorist sympathizer or he’s qualified for public office. You helped portray Obama as a clealy qualified presidential candidate who would fight terrorists.

If that’s what the public thinks, good luck trying to win this thing.

With due respect, I think tonight was a disaster for our side. I’m dumbfounded that no one else seems to think so. Obama did everything he needed to do, McCain did nothing he needed to do. What am I missing?

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmFkOTk5MTNhZjVjMmYzYzhlY2RiYmQzN2Y3ZGZjMTg=

Mr. Joe on October 8, 2008 at 1:03 AM

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 12:55 AM

Commenters like you, Connie, make this blog number tops on my list.

The “noise” is just a minor distraction compared to the intelligent, thought-provoking, and witty people that make this place a joy to read.

Saltysam on October 8, 2008 at 1:04 AM

No, McCain needs a game changing moment. Talking to the American people has got him in a death spiral. We’re in injury time, unless something BIG happens, its over.

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 12:59 AM

Well then if talking to the American people isn’t working than there is nothing else he can do.

terryannonline on October 8, 2008 at 1:04 AM

Unfortunately, it’s been like that here for a long time. Most of the time, I don’t know why I bother with HA.

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 12:55 AM

They infilrate just like with the polls and the MSM…

Try the: http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/forumdisplay.php?f=84

you can’t post but you’ll get more info and positive action…
and they watch for trolls like you can’t believe!

CCRWM on October 8, 2008 at 1:04 AM

make this blog number tops on my list.

Oops.

Saltysam on October 8, 2008 at 1:05 AM

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 1:00 AM
I honestly think that all of the debates should be more like the Lehrer debate. I got really annoyed when Brokaw brought up the red light, green light. That is basically asking people to put their entire campaing into little soundbites. I don’t want to hear soundbites at debate. Especially at a debate one month out. We are past that, we want to hear them talk and explain themselves.

thevastlane on October 8, 2008 at 1:06 AM

To answer some people who are furious over not bringint up the Ayers thing…..people, there was no way that McCain could have brought up Ayers tonight and not looked like an idiot or hack in doing it.

You want him to beat that drum, he or Palin are going to have to do it elsewhere. But at this debate tonight, it wasn’t going to happen and couldn’t have been done unless Brokaw specifically brought up that issue.

Vyce on October 8, 2008 at 1:06 AM

CCRWM on October 8, 2008 at 12:59 AM

It seems that practically everyone’s candidate worked to screw the American taxpayer out of just about everything. Spin it all you want but the government on any level isn’t normally in the habit of giving back what they take from us.

Anyhoo, I need to go to bed now, it’s been a long night. Be of good cheer and keep the faith, this isn’t over by a long shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LODkVkpaVQA

Bishop on October 8, 2008 at 1:06 AM

I was going to guess Michelle said this. I was just sure I was right.

capitalist piglet on October 8, 2008 at 1:08 AM

Marcus on October 8, 2008 at 1:00 AM

See my response to Connie…

CCRWM on October 8, 2008 at 1:09 AM

thevastlane on October 8, 2008 at 1:06 AM

Apologies for the spelling/grammar errors. Too late for this Momma!

thevastlane on October 8, 2008 at 1:09 AM

Marcus on October 8, 2008 at 1:00 AM

Frankly, Marcus, because I have been working my butt off to network all conservatives, I use my facebook, I spend time on yahoo buzz in the vote count and recent sections, use Free Republic because the articles come in very quickly and I can buzz them. AP doesn’t give me much to buzz, although when he has a winner, he has a real winner. I can usually count on Ed to do something positive. I keep Drudge up (I never used to) and buzz or fb appropriate stuff from him. I do use Michelle’s articles, although she continued berating McCain for too long. Flopping Aces has gone above and beyond the call of duty lately, which I appreciate. I want to win this thing. That is the only thing right now that drives me. I was not a McCain supporter. I was a Fredhead. But I am a McCain supporter now. The alternative is just too freaking scary.

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 1:10 AM

CCRWM on October 8, 2008 at 1:04 AM

I’ve gotten a real kick out of the strange alliance betwwen PUMAs and Free Republic lately. Who woulda thunkit?

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 1:12 AM

oops…between

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 1:12 AM

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 1:10 AM

And on your positive note Connie…I’m going to bed…

CCRWM on October 8, 2008 at 1:12 AM

terryannonline on October 8, 2008 at 1:04 AM

It’d be easier to vote for McCain if he would go away. And let Palin talk about personal responsibility and small government. McCain is the anchor on this ticket.

lorien1973 on October 8, 2008 at 1:13 AM

What am I missing?

McCain did a much better job establishing himself as the adult in the room and connected better as the confidence and national esteem builder.

There’s a core on either side that won’t be changing their minds but the middle and the home sitters on the right I think were moved, McCain does and will make America feel proud of him and ourselves.
Compare Carter and Reagan and Obama and McCain, raising the American spirit is a very big deal.

In what way did Obama even come close to praising America and Americans as being great? He didn’t, not at all.

Speakup on October 8, 2008 at 1:15 AM

CCRWM on October 8, 2008 at 1:12 AM

Nite :)

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 1:15 AM

CCRWM on October 8, 2008 at 1:04 AM
I’ve gotten a real kick out of the strange alliance betwwen PUMAs and Free Republic lately. Who woulda thunkit?

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 1:12 AM

I have a lot of respect for both…and Newsbuster and Ace and Jawa…Drudge is better now…this place ..lately not so much… Anyway in a fight I know who I’d want to be fighting with…PUMAs and I’m not one…

CCRWM on October 8, 2008 at 1:15 AM

It’d be easier to vote for McCain if he would go away. And let Palin talk about personal responsibility and small government. McCain is the anchor on this ticket.

lorien1973 on October 8, 2008 at 1:13 AM

Fine. I don’t know what else to say but if you like Palin and not McCain then pray she runs in 4 or 8 years.

terryannonline on October 8, 2008 at 1:15 AM

Well then if talking to the American people isn’t working than there is nothing else he can do.

terryannonline on October 8, 2008 at 1:04 AM

See Terry, we’re talking past eachother now. Of course, when I say that McCain needs to go after Obama by calling him out as an accomplice to our criminal politicians who put us in the economic mess, I mean he should do so by moving his lips up and down and forcing air past his vocal cords while pointing his face towards a camera that creates an image that American citizens see on their TV screens. That is to say, speaking to the American people. Now the key element to this, though, is what he says when speaking and how he says it. Hit him on Ayers. Hit him on WHY he joined that racist church. Ask him if he agrees with the Black Liberation Theology peddled there. Ask him direct questions about Rezko and make sure the American people are knowlegeable about this stuff when they step into the voting booth on election day. Ask him if he wants to college tuition payments what the dems just did to Fannie and Freddy. I guarantee you that very few voters even know who William Ayers is. That is a crying shame.

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 1:16 AM

The word immigrant appears once on this page, surely not a cause. You people are so clueless you do not know what even affects the American worker, in spite of the Mao-like distortions of the unemployment rate. Shame on all of you.

petit bourgeois on October 8, 2008 at 1:18 AM

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 1:16 AM

So far, the name Ayers has not made my local paper.

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 1:18 AM

The word immigrant appears once on this page, surely not a cause. You people are so clueless you do not know what even affects the American worker, in spite of the Mao-like distortions of the unemployment rate. Shame on all of you.

petit bourgeois on October 8, 2008 at 1:18 AM

Care to elaborate on what you mean by this?

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 1:19 AM

petit bourgeois on October 8, 2008 at 1:18 AM

I’m sorry. Did the word “immigrant” come up in the debate?

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 1:20 AM

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 1:16 AM

Voters say that the economy is their primary concern. I just think it’s useless to bring Ayers and Wright. It looks like McCain is avoiding the issues.

terryannonline on October 8, 2008 at 1:21 AM

So far, the name Ayers has not made my local paper.

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 1:18 AM

Amazing. Well, I bet you if McCain beat the subject to death tonight it would have made the paper, and then some. Unfortunately, tomorrow is going to be more of the same old same old in the local papers.

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 1:21 AM

terryannonline on October 8, 2008 at 12:42 AM

What planet are you from where there are bigger issues than a man’s judgment? A man running for president of the United States no less. People like you bring people like Hitler to power.

There are roughly 30 days left, I am sure it wouldn’t kill you to take one damn day or two out of your life to look into Obama’s shady connections. But you know what? Why the f*** do I bother anyway? Lets make O.J. Simpson POTUS. Who cares about his character or judgment, there is only a whole month left and an economy to save. Yippie!

Cardiganfox on October 8, 2008 at 1:21 AM

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 1:21 AM

Unfortunately true. That just means we have to work harder.

Connie on October 8, 2008 at 1:22 AM

Voters say that the economy is their primary concern. I just think it’s useless to bring Ayers and Wright. It looks like McCain is avoiding the issues.

terryannonline on October 8, 2008 at 1:21 AM

You’ll notice the majority of the things I’ve been saying is how he should be hammering Obama relentlessly in regards to the connection between his entire system of beliefs and how they are exactly why we are in this dire economic situation. Ayers and Wright and Rezko should be ringing in the ears of every voter when they walk into the booth on election day as well but tonight was the night to get him on the economic situation and he wiffed so badly that his eyballs are still spinning in his head.

Zetterson on October 8, 2008 at 1:25 AM

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