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Democrats refuse to talk about Fannie, Freddie in Oversight hearing

posted at 11:22 am on October 7, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Democrats have begun a search for the culprit in the financial collapse in a manner somewhat akin to the OJ Simpson search for Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman’s murderer. The Hill reports that Henry Waxman’s Oversight Committee hearing grilled Lehman Brothers executives over CEO pay and “deregulation”, but never mentioned the names Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Republicans found that more than a little strange:

Democrats aimed their harshest attacks at deregulation and CEO pay, using former Lehman Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Richard Fuld as an example during a recess hearing of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) also released internal documents showing Lehman’s compensation committee recommended $20 million in “special payments” to three departing executives on Sept. 11, four days before the firm filed for bankruptcy.

Republicans, for their part, launched a campaign to pin the financial meltdown on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and attacked Waxman for not holding a hearing to dig into the now-nationalized mortgage giants.

“Any hearing on oversight that does not begin with Fannie and Freddie and [former Fannie Mae CEO] Franklin Raines will be a sham,” said Rep. John Mica (R-Fla.). “This is like investigating a train robbery and only talking to the dining car stewards.”

Christopher Shays ripped the Oversight Committee for its refusal to investigate Congress itself:

“The reason we haven’t scheduled hearings on these two institutions and haven’t requested documents from either is because their demise isn’t someone else’s fault — it’s ours, and we don’t want to own up to it.”

Shays then destroys the notion that Congress got caught unaware by the collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. He requests the records of many hearings held over the last six years on this very topic, including a Bush administration effort to overhaul GSE regulation in 2003. The list of hearings demonstrates Congressional culpability in the Fannie and Freddie collapse, and as Shays notes, provides the reason why Waxman has kept the actual proximate cause of the financial crisis out of the hearings that are supposed to investigate the reasons why American taxpayers have to bail out Wall Street.

Note that Waxman wants to save “taxpayer money” by keeping those records out of the committee hearing, instead providing links to the records for those who want to pursue the trail of bread crumbs highlighted by Shays. Too bad Congressional Democrats didn’t have more concern for our money when they blocked tougher rules for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and accused OFHEO regulators of being racists for doing their jobs. That was their excuse the last time Congress got pressed to take some responsibility for overseeing the GSEs, and to no one’s great surprise, that’s their reaction this time as well.


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How did CEO pay FORCE home buyers to buy bigger homes than they could afford?

How did CEO pay nudge Democrats to FORCE Fannie Mae to BUNDLE these high risk loans

No to Democrats NO to Obama NO to Harry and Nancy

I’m ORIGINAL PECHANGA and I APPROVED THIS MESSAGE

originalpechanga on October 7, 2008 at 11:24 AM

“The reason we haven’t scheduled hearings on these two institutions and haven’t requested documents from either is because their demise isn’t someone else’s fault — it’s ours, and we don’t want to own up to it.”

This is a great quote…

Note that Waxman wants to save “taxpayer money” by keeping those records out of the committee hearing,

Hell what is a few more million doallrs of OUR MONEY… Get the damn Records!!!!

upinak on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 AM

If Mac wins and Lieberman is SOS, I hope Chris Shays gets that Senate seat.

IR-MN on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 AM

Hey, a liberal Republican (Shays) actually does something useful!

someone on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 AM

Typical dem’s… always blaming someone else. They’ll just claim racism and promise more money for everyone and it will be a non-issue.

ImRight on October 7, 2008 at 11:27 AM

Well remember the Fifth Amendment to the Constitutions clearly says, “No person… shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself”. sounds like the words democrats live by.

Tommy_G on October 7, 2008 at 11:27 AM

Man these Dimbocrats sure think we are all stupid. Seriously Republicans reallly need to go nuclear on this issue right now.

Dritanian on October 7, 2008 at 11:28 AM

The Constitution gives us the right not to testify against ourselves.

It seems prudent that Chris Dodd, Barak Obama and Barney Frank would “lawyer up” on this.

Mr. Joe on October 7, 2008 at 11:30 AM

This is no time for Republicans to be polite and considerate and gentlemanly. Somebody needs to stand up and kick some ass.

whitetop on October 7, 2008 at 11:30 AM

Someone give me a time cue as to when that quote happens?

lorien1973 on October 7, 2008 at 11:33 AM

In defence of the courts

While I personally think Simpson did do it, the fact is that the prosecution did not make the case – so your comment here is an appeal to mob justice rather than the constitutional variety. Please think again before repeating this.

Paul Murphy on October 7, 2008 at 11:33 AM

The media that gets Democrats elected will protect Democrats AFTER they get them elected.

That means that no matter what Democrats do, the worst they’ll here is, “but the Republicans were at fault as well.”

And that’s when the Republicans are 0% to blame.

When a Republican is 1% at fault, it’s all his fault, according to the DNC controlled press.

Congressional Democrats – Corrupt, incompetent and completely unaccountable. Any voter casting a ballot that will keep these Democrat clowns in charge, is a complete idiot.

NoDonkey on October 7, 2008 at 11:34 AM

Short of physical abuse and restraint, I’ve never seen a government that was this condescending and intimidating to its citizens. They may as well tell the mindless masses to shut up, get in line and don’t question our royal behavior. It’s a sad time for the Republic.

rplat on October 7, 2008 at 11:34 AM

I don’t understand why the media isn’t questioning why the first CEO we hauled before Henry Waxman’s committee was a company we didnt’ even bailout! We let Lehman go to bankruptcy, that’s what happens in a free market. I couldnt’ care less how much their stupid CEO made, that’s is something to be nailed in the inevitable shareholder lawsuits.

The hearings on AIG today should be exploring the conflict of interest for Hank Paulson and Goldman Sachs and why a Goldman person was allowed into the ’secret’ meeting at the Federal Reserve before any taxpayer even knew AIG was in trouble. Why, because Goldman had an interest in AIG and Hank needed to “deal in” his pals and former colleagues.

mngirl on October 7, 2008 at 11:34 AM

God bless Chris Shays. He was one of the real heroes in trying to nail Fannie and Freddie all through this decade. He is on the Financial Services Committee and was at every one of those hearings when Maxine Waters and Barney Frank tried to play the race card.

We came very close to losing Shays in 2006. I don’t care how liberal he is, he is a national treasure right now because he knows where all the bodies are buried. I’m sedning him a campaign contribution today and I recommend that everyone here does. If we lose him this whole thing with Fannie and Freddie will go down the memory hole.

rockmom on October 7, 2008 at 11:35 AM

Remember the one about the drunk looking for his cars keys under the street lamp because there was more light there than in the alley where he dropped them?

Akzed on October 7, 2008 at 11:35 AM

GOP, get nasty.

Its time you guys pulled the gloves off as well, or forever in history be tagged with the responsibility of this whole DNC provided crisis.

For once in your dull, non-confrontational lives, stand up for yourselves. Fellas.

It will do more good nationally and resound in every household across America if you do it. You will guarantee yourselves majority for the next 25 years.

Please, for once, make me proud of the GOP.

TheHat on October 7, 2008 at 11:35 AM

“The reason we haven’t scheduled hearings on these two institutions and haven’t requested documents from either is because their demise isn’t someone else’s fault — it’s ours, and we don’t want to own up to it.”

Money quote…
Now for McCain to leverage this tonight. Something along the lines of “the democrats have began investigating, but they haven’t taken the time to investigate FM’s…”

right2bright on October 7, 2008 at 11:35 AM

Just when I was starting to dislike Christopher Shays.

Abby Adams on October 7, 2008 at 11:35 AM

First Sarah and now finally Mccain woke up, for how long nobody knows. But when will the rest of GOP wake up and hit these maroons with what they have done?

promachus on October 7, 2008 at 11:37 AM

Henry Waxman. ‘Nuff said.

bloggless on October 7, 2008 at 11:38 AM

The GOP needs to go after the Dems like we all know the Dems would go after the GOP if the shoe were on the other foot.

Hit ‘em fast, hit ‘em hard, and don’t stop until they’re dead. Politically that is.

DerKrieger on October 7, 2008 at 11:38 AM

They hole the cruise ship, and then think a portly man who managed to make it into a lifeboat ought to pay the penalty for weighing the dadburn thing down.

unclesmrgol on October 7, 2008 at 11:38 AM

Sounds like a timely talking point for McCain in the debate. John, there is no going back, now. Things are never going to be the same again, so dump the bipartisan meme and light the match or Congress is going to become ACORN central.

a capella on October 7, 2008 at 11:39 AM

Seems that a small cut has opened over the left brow.

Work it, GOP, work it.

shaken on October 7, 2008 at 11:40 AM

Democrats have begun a search for the culprit in the financial collapse in a manner somewhat akin to the OJ Simpson search for Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman’s murderer.

Dude, here’s McCain’s or Palin’s shot at hitting back on the economy…

ninjapirate on October 7, 2008 at 11:40 AM

I bet if any of the Fannie/Freddie folks were suspected of using steroids they’d be holding hearings 24/7.

carbon_footprint on October 7, 2008 at 11:41 AM

I cant seem to get the video to work. hmmm

becki51758 on October 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM

So Waxman wants to save a little money, huh?

OK, watch ……………. this.

It will only cost you a little time, but explains everything.

Seven Percent Solution on October 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM

I bet if any of the Fannie/Freddie folks were suspected of using steroids they’d be holding hearings 24/7.

carbon_footprint on October 7, 2008 at 11:41 AM

Ain’t that the dang truth..

upinak on October 7, 2008 at 11:43 AM

I would love for Palin to call it the show trial that it is…

ninjapirate on October 7, 2008 at 11:43 AM

As I said on the other thread, accountability would be a good theme for McCain.

As in, “The American people know that their nation’s government and financial industry leadership failed them, and they are rightfully angry. In a McCain presidency, we will have as a top priority making sure a more transparent, accountable and responsible system is in place to protect the integrity of our financial system and the valuable resources of the citizens of this country.”

BigD on October 7, 2008 at 11:44 AM

Bring it up at the debate. “I demand an investigation!”

lodge on October 7, 2008 at 11:44 AM

McCain needs to look into the camera tonight (in other words, BYPASS THE FREAKIN’ LYING MEDIA) and tell the American people:

“The day after I’m sworn in I will convene a committee to investigate Freddy and Fannie and bring those responsible to account.”

Let’s roll.

ex-Democrat on October 7, 2008 at 11:44 AM

It is criminal how the Dems have had incessant hearings on every Republican who can be remotely considered as having done something…meanwhile, we can’t get the records of hearing which might not be too favorable for Dems??? Why wasn’t money an issue when they were (and continue to be) hounding the AG Gonzales for doing something he is constitutionally allowed to do?

HawaiiLwyr on October 7, 2008 at 11:44 AM

I wonder what Sen. Jim DeMint thinks of Waxman’s tactics?

Seven Percent Solution on October 7, 2008 at 11:45 AM

ah, Transparency…just what Obama claims to be all about.

jp on October 7, 2008 at 11:46 AM

Hell what is a few more million doallrs of OUR MONEY… Get the damn Records!!!!

upinak on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 AM

Does poor wittle Congress need a bailout now?

fossten on October 7, 2008 at 11:49 AM

fox + hen house = disaster

AubieJon on October 7, 2008 at 11:49 AM

How did CEO pay FORCE home buyers to buy bigger homes than they could afford?

How did CEO pay nudge Democrats to FORCE Fannie Mae to BUNDLE these high risk loans

originalpechanga on October 7, 2008 at 11:24 AM

The sad thing is that experience has taught Democrats that very few people will bother to ask simple questions like that if they just throw out a stinking red herring or two.

DarkCurrent on October 7, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Fannie Mae had over a dozen “partnership offices” around the country, which mostly doled out grants from its foundation and enlisted local pols and opinion leaders to support its lobbying. After Frank Raines was forced to resign, Fannie Mae closed all of these offices and shut down its foundation.

McCain should immediately call for Fannie Mae to release all records of staff and spending and activities of these partnership offices.

One of them was in Chicago.

rockmom on October 7, 2008 at 11:51 AM

Why do they always obsess on how much CEO’s got paid by these corporations and ignore how much senators got paid by the same corporations?

Oh….wait….nevermind….I get it.

29Victor on October 7, 2008 at 11:51 AM

The debate will be very interesting.

I’d like to see the Three Amigos get spanked, too, just like Fuld: Raines, Johnson and Gorelick.

PattyJ on October 7, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Christopher Shays ripped the Oversight Committee for its refusal to investigate Congress itself

Today, I’m one smug RINO given this performance by our RINOest congressman.

thuja on October 7, 2008 at 11:53 AM

These were the same Dems who hounded the Bush adminsitrations with their silly witch hunts for anything and everything.Now they say they are ABOVE oversight?

promachus on October 7, 2008 at 11:56 AM

It’s a rare day when I agree with Shays on anything but he’s absolutely right. Kudos to the House Republicans for standing up and not letting the Dems make this all about CEO compensation when Frank and Dodd should be in jail for what they did to the economy.

highhopes on October 7, 2008 at 11:56 AM

The debate will be very interesting.

PattyJ on October 7, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Michelle Malkin (otherwise known here as “the boss”) has a post at her site about caution for tonight’s debate — the Brokaw-moderated townhall is likely to be full of planted questions from supposedly uncommitted voters who are really Obama supporters.

BigD on October 7, 2008 at 11:57 AM

Having Congress “investigate” Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is like putting criminal suspects in charge of the grand jury investigating their crimes — we all know how that will turn out.

AZCoyote on October 7, 2008 at 11:58 AM

I just called Shays office to tell him that we support him and to stand strong against these liars. If anyone else wants to call here is the number:

Congressman Christopher Shays
Washington, DC 202/225-5541

mrsmwp on October 7, 2008 at 11:59 AM

Cheer up! Third quarter oil company profits will be out soon and the Libs can drag them out for their quarterly whippin’ (was that racist?) They’ll be in full deflective hypocrisy mode.

Mr_Magoo on October 7, 2008 at 12:00 PM

Democrats refuse to talk about Fannie, Freddie in Oversight hearing

Like having a hearing on terrorism and refusing to talk about Islam. Same idea.

MB4 on October 7, 2008 at 12:01 PM

It’s a rare day when I agree with Shays on anything but he’s absolutely right. Kudos to the House Republicans for standing up and not letting the Dems make this all about CEO compensation when Frank and Dodd should be in jail for what they did to the economy.

highhopes on October 7, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Shays has done a fantastic job on the Financial Services Committee for years. He really has been a workhorse there and he knows this stuff cold. Staff will tell you he is probably the smartest guy on the Committee of either party. He can be partisan and nasty when he wants to be, too.

rockmom on October 7, 2008 at 12:02 PM

They all gotta go!

ronsfi on October 7, 2008 at 12:05 PM

Waxman is doing a great job, or so Steve Doocy opined this morning.

Steve, I luv ya, but nevah, evah trust a Democrat!

Buy Danish on October 7, 2008 at 12:10 PM

McCain needs to look into the camera tonight (in other words, BYPASS THE FREAKIN’ LYING MEDIA) and tell the American people:

“The day after I’m sworn in I will convene a committee to investigate Freddy and Fannie and bring those responsible to account.”

Let’s roll.

ex-Democrat on October 7, 2008 at 11:44 AM

>>>>

Bingo! America wants to see our rapists on trial, not out on the loose to do it again.

justincase on October 7, 2008 at 12:13 PM

I was at a Republican get together in Chicago last night and it’s funny how Ed’s thinking has seeped into Conservative thought. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but Fannie/Freddie can’t be responsible for the sub prime crisis since those aren’t the loans they securitize. While my Conservative brethren are very quick to assign blame, what most folks like you lack is any actual knowledge about what happened. It is so absurd to blame Fannie/Freddie for the sub prime crisis that it would make the hairs on any mortgage professional stand up. That’s because those that work in the business would see this as mistaking basic mortgage principles. In its simplest form, sub prime is any loan not done by Fannie/Freddie. It is a bit more complicated than that, however the really ridiculous loans, like 620 credit score, stated income, stated assets, to 100%, were not done by Fannie/Freddie. So, how exactly are you blaming them for starting the crisis? Furthermore, if sub prime crashed in the beginning of 2007, Alt A in August of 2007, why did it take until the summer of 2008 for Fannie/Freddie to crash. I mean since they were the ones responsible for the sub prime loans why did every bank they worked with crash a year and a half prior to their own demise. This stunning lack of logic just kind of goes by the wayside when Conservatives demagogue this issue.

It appears all you experts are now convinced that this mysterious and cryptic Community Reinvestment Act. It seems something updated in 1995 was the culprit even though the crisis didn’t materialize until 2003. Yet, things like furious rate cuts by the fed, which happened right before the crisis, and the refinancing boom are inconsequential in your thinking. In other words, an obscure even nearly ten years prior is the culprit, while two other much more significant events only a year or so prior had nothing to do with it. Talking points and demagoguery apparently and unfortunately, are not limited to the left. The demagoguery by the right of Fannie/Freddie as the drivers of this crisis is an unfortunate and sad indictment that our side is not void intellectual naive, dishonest, and un researched ideas. Fannie/Freddie have plenty to answer for but starting this crisis is not one of them.

What is really disappointing in what I read on sites like this is that clearly none of you have any motivation to learn what actually happened. Most of you had likely never heard of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac prior to July. Suddenly you learned they were these mortgage giants. Weren’t any of you curious to learn how it is that there are these mortgage giants that operate so far behind the scenes that the public doesn’t know they exist? As for the CRA, I dare anyone blaming it to tell me honestly that prior to a month ago, you had actually heard of it. As such, all of these once foreign concepts, folks like Ed Morrissey are now “experts”, and as such, this so called expert blames Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac for starting the sub prime crisis even though any competent mortgage professional could have told Ed that most mortgage professionals identify sub prime as exactly those loans not done by fannie mae and freddie mac. If you want an insider’s view of what started and perpetuated this crisis you can always read my piece, and then you can compare that to what other so called “experts say.

mike volpe on October 7, 2008 at 12:16 PM

Palin and McCain have spent too much energy and face time railing exclusively about Wall Street greed without including specific congressional players. It needs to be said now, because if Obama wins, all accountability will die with a whimper. Do it now while taxpayer rage is still front page stuff.

a capella on October 7, 2008 at 12:18 PM

While my Conservative brethren are very quick to assign blame, what most folks like you lack is any actual knowledge about what happened.

mike volpe on October 7, 2008 at 12:16 PM

Been a long time since I have ever seen anyone climb up on a horse that high. Don’t fall off as it will be a long fall.

MB4 on October 7, 2008 at 12:22 PM

Rush is saying he’ll be playing the audio from the SNL Bailout skit that is now – and mysteriously – MIA.

AubieJon on October 7, 2008 at 12:23 PM

“Any hearing on oversight that does not begin with Fannie and Freddie and [former Fannie Mae CEO] Franklin Raines will be a sham,” said Rep. John Mica (R-Fla.). “This is like investigating a train robbery and only talking to the dining car stewards.”

“It’s gold, Jerry, pure gold.”

Democrats hate this kind of scrutiny because it exposes them as the idiotic frauds that they are.

About a year ago, Hillary slammed Petraeus with that allusion that what he was reporting to her and others required their “willing suspension of disbelief.”

Every time I see sh*t like this I wonder, “Who are these idiots kidding?” Waxman, I believe, and many of these other congressional morons are the same people running around last winter and spring holding hearings on steroid use in baseball.

Members of Congress offer a good rationale not just for term limits but for summary executions.

BuckeyeSam on October 7, 2008 at 12:24 PM

…and after the Oversight Committee meeting, they held a news conference…

http://patdollard.com/2008/10/it-is-here-the-banned-snl-skit-cannot-hide-from-louie/

Lockstein13 on October 7, 2008 at 12:25 PM

mike volpe on October 7, 2008 at 12:16 PM

What are your credentials? Your site gives no background on why you are an expert.

a capella on October 7, 2008 at 12:25 PM

mike volpe on October 7, 2008 at 12:16 PM

Where are your credentials?

a capella on October 7, 2008 at 12:27 PM

It’s sure good to see the Republicans on this committee are doing their best to show the American public Congress’ responsibility in this mess.

It’s too bad that the American public has to go to specific websites, such as this one hear about it though. I’ll bet Shays’ remarks are not included on any newscast (other than Fox).

Let’s enjoy the truth while we can boys, once Team Bambi takes over and they clamp down on talk radio and the web this site could be a thing of the past.

rockhead on October 7, 2008 at 12:30 PM

Thanks Ed!

TheBigOldDog on October 7, 2008 at 12:30 PM

Sorry, another thought.

This should be Reason 1 for McCain’s case. Look at how these idiots are already whitewashing this. Sure, there’s plenty of blame to go around. But you can already see that this is a rigged game. Without exposing all of it to light, McCain should argue, we cannot be sure that members of Congress will avoid these mistakes in the future.

Does anyone seriously believe Obama is about to get in the grill of Frank, Dodd, and the others? McCain should emphasize that one of Palin’s primary duties will be stalking members of Congress in these hearings to ensure that everything comes to light. And McCain can point to her pitbull record in Alaska.

That’s reform that voters can get their head around.

BuckeyeSam on October 7, 2008 at 12:31 PM

Why is Waxman holding hearings on the collapse of a PRIVATE company?

His Oversight purview is over the GOVERNMENT…

Romeo13 on October 7, 2008 at 12:40 PM

Darryl Robert Schoon: The Sacking of America

Communism was a public relations gift to the bankers. By diverting the dialogue to “controlled versus free markets” it obscured the bankers’ real intent—to insert debt into every aspect of free markets. The bankers’ overwhelming success however would destroy both the bankers and the free markets on which they preyed.

Parasitoidism is the relationship between a host and parasite where the host is ultimately killed by the parasite. This is what is happening to the US. Once the most powerful and productive economy in the world, the US, indebted by bankers and government spending beyond its ability to repay, is headed towards sovereign bankruptcy.

The recent request by US Treasury Secretary—and more importantly former Chairman and CEO of investment bank Goldman Sachs— Henry Paulson to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac with US taxpayer dollars is but another indication of this destructive and parasitic relationship between bankers, government and the economy.

That a private banker from a large Wall Street investment bank is also Secretary of the US Treasury is no coincidence. It is also no coincidence that once again, public monies from the US Treasury are being used to rescue private bankers and to indemnify their losses.

THE FOX IS IN THE HENHOUSE GOLDMAN’S SACKING OF AMERICA

Receiving taxpayer dollars from the US Treasury for their private benefit is not new to Goldman Sachs. In 1990s, when the Mexican government defaulted on its bonds, investors at Goldman Sachs’ stood to lose billions of dollars. They didn’t.

Buried deep in the subsequent $40 billion US bailout of Mexico was a $4 billion payment to Goldman Sachs, gratis of the US Treasury indemnifying Goldman Sachs against any losses on their investment in Mexican bonds.

The fact that current US Treasury Secretary and former Goldman Sachs CEO Henry Paulson also recently used US funds to underwrite JP Morgan Chase’s private buyout of investment bank Bear Stearns and is now proposing to do the same with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is to be expected. For investment bankers, using public money to privately profit is business as usual.

They’re ruining what has been one of the greatest economies in the world, Bernanke and Paulson are bailing out their friends on Wall Street but there are 300 million Americans that are going to have to pay for this.

KentAllard on October 7, 2008 at 12:40 PM

I am a mortgage broker, however, if you don’t believe me, read this piece. If you think someone outside the business could come up with such a story, well you would be wrong.

mike volpe on October 7, 2008 at 12:41 PM

I created this last night in preparation for all of the “Keating Five” references we are going to be hearing in the news before and after the debate this week. Please spread the word.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KNBYgx4-Ao

http://cann0nba11.wordpress.com/2008/10/06/obama-ten/

cannonball on October 7, 2008 at 12:43 PM

So Waxman wants to save a little money, huh?

OK, watch ……………. this.

It will only cost you a little time, but explains everything.

Seven Percent Solution on October 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM

Couldn’t get the link to display but I have watched it and have sent it to everyone in my address book. Even to the known Democrats in my family!

nwsseeker on October 7, 2008 at 12:44 PM

Democrats have begun a search for the culprit in the financial collapse in a manner somewhat akin to the OJ Simpson search for Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman’s murderer

.

By the way, does anyone know what Frank, Dodd, Obama, and the other Fannie-Freddie enablers are driving these days.

Any white Broncos? I’d love to see that picture with a caption!

BuckeyeSam on October 7, 2008 at 12:44 PM

mike volpe on October 7, 2008 at 12:16 PM

I’m not an economist, but my understanding was that FM/FM didn’t start the bad loans, but they bought them up, laundering bad credit into supposedly good credit. If they hadn’t done that, these loans would have defaulted and the banks making them would have learned their lesson.

Because bankers had no connection to reality, more and more houses were built to meet high demand and high prices. But when it became clear that the prices were too high for what people could actually afford and people began to default on the loans, the housing bubble burst, leaving banks with houses bought at a high price and not enough buyers in the market able to pay that price.

Is that understanding wrong?

justincase on October 7, 2008 at 12:45 PM

I forgot to urge everyone to watch the video and then send it to everyone, not just friends, in your address book.
This needs to go viral!

nwsseeker on October 7, 2008 at 12:46 PM

mike volpe on October 7, 2008 at 12:41 PM

Tell us all Master Expert from on High, just why did Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac have to be bailed out, actually nationalized. Do you think that they were just having a bad hair day?

KentAllard on October 7, 2008 at 12:49 PM

Each and every one of us owes Christopher Shays a debt of gratitude.

franksalterego on October 7, 2008 at 12:51 PM

KentAllard – what this analysis fails to mention is that 90 percent of the world’s financial instititions have significant holdings of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bonds and securities. Half of all U.S. bank capital is held in Fannie and Freddie preferred stock or bonds. The government absolutely could not allow a default on those bonds or the entire world financial system really could have collapsed overnight because nearly every bank in the world would have been insolvent.

Banks around the world believed that Fannie/Freddie debt was the functional equivalent of U.S. Treasury notes, only with slightly higher returns. Fannie and Freddie were only too happy to feed that perception. Frank Raines went on dozens of lavish junkets to foreign capitals to push Fannie’s debt on all of these unsuspecting bankers. He was feeding this perception while he was cooking Fannie’s books to maintain a steady earnings stream that would impress those investors.

rockmom on October 7, 2008 at 12:52 PM

I am a mortgage broker

mike volpe on October 7, 2008 at 12:41 PM

The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers mortgage brokers
- Shakespeare

MB4 on October 7, 2008 at 12:52 PM

justincase, that is just not accurate. What you are talking about is what the business calls securitization, and Fannie/Freddie securitize good loans not bad loans. The sub prime loans that were securitized were securitized by entities outside of the scope of FN/FM. Now, both began buying up a bunch of these MBS that were the derivatives of these bad loans which is in and of itself a scandal. Why were they contributing to an already hot market, when that market was doing fine without their influence?

Yet, they had absolutely nothing to do with the securitization of these loans.

Furthermore, when sub prime exploded it ate up FN/FM market share and so they loosened their own standards, which is also scandalous. Finally, they convinced the Congress that they were aggressively lending in low income areas and thus the Congress was asleep while these two continued to engage in ever more reckless behavior.

Still, blaming them for the sub prime crisis, is sort of like not knowing the difference between a credit and a debit in accounting. It is really annoying for a mortgage professional to have novices discuss the crisis and get it so obscenely wrong.

mike volpe on October 7, 2008 at 12:53 PM

MB4,

no argument I hate most of those that occupy my business, but it is also totally irrelevant. There are competent folks in my business, and I can assure you none of you talked to any of them if you came up with the thesis that FN/FM created the sub prime crisis.

mike volpe on October 7, 2008 at 12:56 PM

The takeover of Fannie and Freddie was essential because the government had allowed investors worldwide to believe that they were the equivalent of government agencies.

It was a close call, too. If the reform legislation had not been included in the foreclosure bill Congress wanted this summer, OFHEO would not have had legal authority to take ver Fannie and Freddie. Then the only solution would have ben for the U.S. government to step in and directly guarantee 5 trillion dollars of Fannie and Freddie debt. This would have made he events of the last 3 weeks look like a kid’s birthday party.

Democrats fought that reform legislation every step of the way. Remember that. They only allowed it to pass because the President threatened to veto the housing bill unless it was attached.

rockmom on October 7, 2008 at 12:57 PM

I’m not an economist, but my understanding was that FM/FM didn’t start the bad loans, but they bought them up, laundering bad credit into supposedly good credit. If they hadn’t done that, these loans would have defaulted and the banks making them would have learned their lesson.

Is that understanding wrong?

justincase on October 7, 2008 at 12:45 PM

Nope, you are not wrong. It’s pretty much what happened and hence why those two GSE’s and there cohorts in congress, mostly democrats, are to blame for starting this mother of all financial fires.

KentAllard on October 7, 2008 at 12:58 PM

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but Fannie/Freddie can’t be responsible for the sub prime crisis since those aren’t the loans they securitize.
mike volpe on October 7, 2008 at 12:16 PM

Some expert you are. Fannie Mae was the primary buyer of subprime loans, including liar loans. They securitized virtually 100% of Countrywide’s loans over the past 3 years, and upon Federal takeover, they held roughly 50% of all subprime paper.

Vashta.Nerada on October 7, 2008 at 12:58 PM

It is really annoying for a mortgage professional to have novices discuss the crisis and get it so obscenely wrong.

mike volpe on October 7, 2008 at 12:53 PM

Hey, it’s the internet. Everyone is an expert. If you want to claim elite professionalism, give us your real life background. Education, work experience, business names, peer reviewed publications..like that. Oh, and your political affiliation.

a capella on October 7, 2008 at 1:02 PM

Vashta,

The end buyer absolutely which is why it is so scandalous. Why in the world were they getting involved in buying a market that was doing fine on its own, one that was terribly risky?

As for Countrywide, they had both a prime and sub prime division, so if they securitized a lot of Countrywide loans that isn’t surprising.

Again, if sub prime failed in early 2007, Alt A August of 2007, why did it take till the summer of 2008 for FN/FM to fail, if they were the ones securitizing them.

mike volpe on October 7, 2008 at 1:04 PM

Mike Volpe, I am a mortgage professional as well, and I think you are wrong. The seeds of the destruction were sown when Fannie Mae signed that exclusive deal with Countrywide back in 2001 or 2002. Freddie scrambled to catch up and signed a similar deal with Wells Fargo. Then each of them began dividing up the remaining large lenders. What happened then was that rather than being competitors to each other, Fannie and Freddie became singular monopolies that turned their competitive energy toward private sector lenders and securitizers. Countrywide began its historic expansion at that point and Fannie Mae bought virtually everything it originated. With Fannie’s backing and low cost capital, Countrywide was able to move into the subprime market and become the #1 lender almost overnight. The non-agency monoline subprime lenders struggled to keep up, but they could not match the pricing without starting to essentially price subprime paper like prime paper. They did not just drop the underwriting standards, they dropped the prices to below a prudent risk management level. This is how Fannie Mae used its below-market capital cost to invade and eventually destroy the market.

rockmom on October 7, 2008 at 1:07 PM

Again, if sub prime failed in early 2007, Alt A August of 2007, why did it take till the summer of 2008 for FN/FM to fail, if they were the ones securitizing them.

mike volpe on October 7, 2008 at 1:04 PM

FASB 157

Vashta.Nerada on October 7, 2008 at 1:07 PM

The end buyer absolutely which is why it is so scandalous. Why in the world were they getting involved in buying a market that was doing fine on its own, one that was terribly risky?

Maybe I am missing something here, but you seem to be arguing against yourself now.

Again, if sub prime failed in early 2007, Alt A August of 2007, why did it take till the summer of 2008 for FN/FM to fail, if they were the ones securitizing them.

mike volpe on October 7, 2008 at 1:04 PM

Because it takes the Piper a while to catch up. Just like if you guzzle a bunch of fatty foods you don’t immediately get a heart attack.

KentAllard on October 7, 2008 at 1:10 PM

The seeds of this crisis were sown by Greenspan dropping the Fed Funds Rate below 1%. Fannie/Freddie have been monopolies since their inception and so saying they were monopolies since 2001 is misleading. In their sphere of influence, it is only FN/FM and that’s it.

As to the person that said FASB 157, why then did the rest of sub prime fail before FASB 157.

mike volpe on October 7, 2008 at 1:11 PM

As to the person that said FASB 157, why then did the rest of sub prime fail before FASB 157.

mike volpe on October 7, 2008 at 1:11 PM

Subprime loans began to fail in 2007, but the writedowns of entire tranches of MBS did not start until quarterly reports in 2008, some in Q1, a lot more in Q2, after FASB 157 was implemented.

Vashta.Nerada on October 7, 2008 at 1:13 PM

It is really annoying for a mortgage professional to have novices discuss the crisis and get it so obscenely wrong.

mike volpe on October 7, 2008 at 12:53 PM

Well then, please use the Logout function located above the link tab.

dmann on October 7, 2008 at 1:22 PM

As to the person that said FASB 157, why then did the rest of sub prime fail before FASB 157.

mike volpe on October 7, 2008 at 1:11 PM

Its the link between the Subprime failure, and the wider lack of liquidity in the market.

It accelerated the impact of the meltdown…

Romeo13 on October 7, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Just the Facts: The Administration’s Unheeded Warnings About the Systemic Risk Posed by the GSEs

For many years the President and his Administration have not only warned of the systemic consequences of financial turmoil at a housing government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) but also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties. President Bush publicly called for GSE reform 17 times in 2008 alone before Congress acted. Unfortunately, these warnings went unheeded, as the President’s repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems.

2001

April: The Administration’s FY02 budget declares that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is “a potential problem,” because “financial trouble of a large GSE could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic activity.”

2002

May: The President calls for the disclosure and corporate governance principles contained in his 10-point plan for corporate responsibility to apply to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. (OMB Prompt Letter to OFHEO, 5/29/02)

2003

January: Freddie Mac announces it has to restate financial results for the previous three years.

February: The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) releases a report explaining that “although investors perceive an implicit Federal guarantee of [GSE] obligations,” “the government has provided no explicit legal backing for them.” As a consequence, unexpected problems at a GSE could immediately spread into financial sectors beyond the housing market. (”Systemic Risk: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Role of OFHEO,” OFHEO Report, 2/4/03)

September: Fannie Mae discloses SEC investigation and acknowledges OFHEO’s review found earnings manipulations.

September: Treasury Secretary John Snow testifies before the House Financial Services Committee to recommend that Congress enact “legislation to create a new Federal agency to regulate and supervise the financial activities of our housing-related government sponsored enterprises” and set prudent and appropriate minimum capital adequacy requirements.

October: Fannie Mae discloses $1.2 billion accounting error.

November: Council of the Economic Advisers (CEA) Chairman Greg Mankiw explains that any “legislation to reform GSE regulation should empower the new regulator with sufficient strength and credibility to reduce systemic risk.” To reduce the potential for systemic instability, the regulator would have “broad authority to set both risk-based and minimum capital standards” and “receivership powers necessary to wind down the affairs of a troubled GSE.” (N. Gregory Mankiw, Remarks At The Conference Of State Bank Supervisors State Banking Summit And Leadership, 11/6/03)

2004

February: The President’s FY05 Budget again highlights the risk posed by the explosive growth of the GSEs and their low levels of required capital, and called for creation of a new, world-class regulator: “The Administration has determined that the safety and soundness regulators of the housing GSEs lack sufficient power and stature to meet their responsibilities, and therefore…should be replaced with a new strengthened regulator.” (2005 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 83)

February: CEA Chairman Mankiw cautions Congress to “not take [the financial market's] strength for granted.” Again, the call from the Administration was to reduce this risk by “ensuring that the housing GSEs are overseen by an effective regulator.” (N. Gregory Mankiw, Op-Ed, “Keeping Fannie And Freddie’s House In Order,” Financial Times, 2/24/04)

June: Deputy Secretary of Treasury Samuel Bodman spotlights the risk posed by the GSEs and called for reform, saying “We do not have a world-class system of supervision of the housing government sponsored enterprises (GSEs), even though the importance of the housing financial system that the GSEs serve demands the best in supervision to ensure the long-term vitality of that system. Therefore, the Administration has called for a new, first class, regulatory supervisor for the three housing GSEs: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Home Loan Banking System.” (Samuel Bodman, House Financial Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations Testimony, 6/16/04)

2005

April: Treasury Secretary John Snow repeats his call for GSE reform, saying “Events that have transpired since I testified before this Committee in 2003 reinforce concerns over the systemic risks posed by the GSEs and further highlight the need for real GSE reform to ensure that our housing finance system remains a strong and vibrant source of funding for expanding homeownership opportunities in America… Half-measures will only exacerbate the risks to our financial system.” (Secretary John W. Snow, “Testimony Before The U.S. House Financial Services Committee,” 4/13/05)

2007

July: Two Bear Stearns hedge funds invested in mortgage securities collapse.

August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying “first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options.” (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, The White House, 8/9/07)

September: RealtyTrac announces foreclosure filings up 243,000 in August – up 115 percent from the year before.

September: Single-family existing home sales decreases 7.5 percent from the previous month – the lowest level in nine years. Median sale price of existing homes fell six percent from the year before.

December: President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs, saying “These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I’ve called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs – and ensures they focus on their important housing mission. The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year is a good start. But the Senate has not acted. And the United States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon.” (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, The White House, 12/6/07)

2008

January: Bank of America announces it will buy Countrywide.

January: Citigroup announces mortgage portfolio lost $18.1 billion in value.

February: Assistant Secretary David Nason reiterates the urgency of reforms, says “A new regulatory structure for the housing GSEs is essential if these entities are to continue to perform their public mission successfully.” (David Nason, Testimony On Reforming GSE Regulation, Senate Committee On Banking, Housing And Urban Affairs, 2/7/08)

March: Bear Stearns announces it will sell itself to JPMorgan Chase.

March: President Bush calls on Congress to take action and “move forward with reforms on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They need to continue to modernize the FHA, as well as allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to homeowners to refinance their mortgages.” (President George W. Bush, Remarks To The Economic Club Of New York, New York, NY, 3/14/08)

April: President Bush urges Congress to pass the much needed legislation and “modernize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. [There are] constructive things Congress can do that will encourage the housing market to correct quickly by … helping people stay in their homes.” (President George W. Bush, Meeting With Cabinet, the White House, 4/14/08)

May: President Bush issues several pleas to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the situation deteriorates further.

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“Americans are concerned about making their mortgage payments and keeping their homes. Yet Congress has failed to pass legislation I have repeatedly requested to modernize the Federal Housing Administration that will help more families stay in their homes, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance sub-prime loans.” (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/3/08)
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“[T]he government ought to be helping creditworthy people stay in their homes. And one way we can do that – and Congress is making progress on this – is the reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That reform will come with a strong, independent regulator.” (President George W. Bush, Meeting With The Secretary Of The Treasury, the White House, 5/19/08)
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“Congress needs to pass legislation to modernize the Federal Housing Administration, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance subprime loans.” (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/31/08)

June: As foreclosure rates continued to rise in the first quarter, the President once again asks Congress to take the necessary measures to address this challenge, saying “we need to pass legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.” (President George W. Bush, Remarks At Swearing In Ceremony For Secretary Of Housing And Urban Development, Washington, D.C., 6/6/08)

July: Congress heeds the President’s call for action and passes reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as it becomes clear that the institutions are failing.

TheBigOldDog on October 7, 2008 at 1:22 PM

It is really annoying for a mortgage professional to have novices discuss the crisis and get it so obscenely wrong.

mike volpe on October 7, 2008 at 12:53 PM

Hmmmm… Chickenhawk arguement about Mortgages?

Thats a new one… interesting that Rockmom does not share your disdain for us poor unenlightened masses…

Romeo13 on October 7, 2008 at 1:23 PM

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