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Debate analysis: Both men improve, McCain wins on points

posted at 11:00 pm on October 7, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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The second presidential debate goes into the record books, and this time both men managed to stick closer to their game plans.  Barack Obama rid himself of the “John is right” tic that appeared in various forms almost a dozen times in the first debate.  John McCain gave a much more focused response on economic issues.  In the end — literally, in this case — McCain prevailed on his strength on foreign policy and national security.

Obama improved from the first debate.  He kept his voice even and didn’t get as rattled.  Last time, Obama’s voice kept pitching higher when McCain attacked him, and he spent most of the evening defending himself.  This time, Obama stuck to his own agenda, only getting flustered once after a McCain attack, and stumbling when Tom Brokaw shut him down, invoking the debate agreement between the two camps.

McCain also improved, most clearly in the economic debate.  This time he hammered Obama on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and challenged the assumption that “deregulation” caused the financial crisis.  He looked more confident and spoke more clearly on that subject, and didn’t get nearly as deep into populist blather as in the first debate.  On health care, he offered a strong endorsement of free-market principles and providing choice to consumers.  (In fact, I think both candidates did very well on health care, with Obama and McCain making the clearest pitches for their approaches than on any other subject.)

McCain did somewhat better on entitlement reform than Obama did.  Unfortunately, the question came as more of a follow-up than a separate topic, but McCain offered details and substantive proposals, while Obama talked about spending even more money on a series of new entitlements.  McCain also used that to underscore his credentials as a bipartisan agent of change, and noted that Obama has none at all.

Coming into the last 30 minutes, though, I thought the debate was more or less a draw.  That’s when Brokaw turned the debate to foreign policy and national security, and McCain simply outclassed Obama.  Despite the nearly two weeks between the debates, Obama still couldn’t offer a coherent policy on Russia.  He stuck to general themes, and more than once tried to invoke Iraq on completely unrelated topics.  McCain, on the other hand, had extensive knowledge of the subjects and gave detailed answers that demonstrated Obama’s superficial knowledge — to the point that Obama complained that McCain thought he was “green behind the ears”, a flub that will no doubt live in ridicule for the next couple of days.

Brokaw did a solid, professional job as moderator.  I didn’t think Brokaw would do poorly, and I failed to catch any obvious bias in his moderation.  I thought the town-hall format was a joke, though.  Brokaw and his team selected the questions ahead of time and chose the participants, and in the end it just looked like Brokaw had outsourced some of the moderator duties to guest voices.

McCain won, but he didn’t score a knockout by any stretch of the imagination.  Is this a game-changer?  I think not.  It may help narrow the gap a little, but I think the two men are pretty evenly matched in these debates.  I wouldn’t expect a knockout in the last debate, either.


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James OK on October 7, 2008 at 11:08 PM

…and I just want to add another point: The fact that Obama made mention of McCain’s criticism of being ‘green’ is important; it goes without saying that Obama has felt the teeth of it. Tonight, Obama lifted his skirt and showed his shame.

But I think Obama’s association with people like Ayers, ACORN, et al, also speak to his inexperience and naivete. Rather than stand on his own, speak his own mind, roll up his sleeves and fight for what he believed – or cast any vote other than “present” – he chose the easy way of insider hookups and meaningless, flowing platitudes.

His answser about what he doesn’t know was also telling: he used his wife as an prop meant to evoke an emotive connection. Not ill-advised, per se, but also demonstrating naivete in that it lacked any semblance of learned substance. Basically, Obama is Chinese food with a mouth.

I think McCain could gain traction by focusing and connecting these weaknesses.

James OK on October 7, 2008 at 11:22 PM

Like an old quarter horse, McCain never fails to disappoint down the stretch.

What was that insane 300 billion dollar boondoggle?
And again with that Global Warming crap…
Does he think we’re that stupid?

I’ve voting for Miss Wasilla.

TexasJew on October 7, 2008 at 11:22 PM

Fox didn’t like McCain’s performance. CNN naturally didn’t and made a big fuss over McCain referring to Obama as “that one!” All I can say is pray to God to make people not look for a tingle in their leg but for clear guidance as to who would provide experienced leadership in a very troubled world. Sadly too many of the American people are looking for a Spiderman or Batman to swoop in and make it all better. Both men put their pants on one leg at a time and sometimes have butt boils. There are no magic bullets but there are some roadside bombs if the guy who gets in surrounds himself with people with wrong agendas for our freedom.

wepeople on October 7, 2008 at 11:23 PM

Send Gov Palin to Michigan NOW!!!!!

SouthernGent on October 7, 2008 at 11:23 PM

Oh yeah, the folks at National Review already fact-checked Obama on his “warning about the subprime crisis.” he wrote a letter in March of 2007, after 25 subprime lenders had already failed and New Century was about to. He was responding to headlines, not warning about an impending crisis. McCain, on the other hand, sponsored the Fannie Freddie bill when Democrats and the mortgage industry were insisting there was no crisis and there would not be one. THAT is a warning! McCain is so right on this.

rockmom on October 7, 2008 at 11:23 PM

Barry lied magniloquently.

McCain droned familiarly.

Wash.

profitsbeard on October 7, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Brilliant sir, brilliant.

carbon_footprint on October 7, 2008 at 11:23 PM

lorien1973 on October 7, 2008 at 11:18 PM

DOW 5000 by November

DOW 1500 by January

rockhauler on October 7, 2008 at 11:24 PM

SouthernGent on October 7, 2008 at 11:23 PM

Why? McCain decided to murder economic freedom tonight.

lorien1973 on October 7, 2008 at 11:24 PM

Luntz’s focus group is in love with Obama yet again. I can just imagine how the sycophantic MSNBC people feel.

Speedwagon82 on October 7, 2008 at 11:24 PM

Brokaw did an awful job in the debate I watched. Mumbling and complaining then breaking the agreed upon rules.

koolbrease on October 7, 2008 at 11:24 PM

rockmom on October 7, 2008 at 11:23 PM

You are a wealth of information here. Please send this to Allah and Ed.

carbon_footprint on October 7, 2008 at 11:24 PM

We will lose this election because somehow, we ended up with John McCain, who I think at this point is doing a worse job than Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee would have done.

John_Locke on October 7, 2008 at 11:16 PM

Second look at Huckabee!

FloatingRock on October 7, 2008 at 11:24 PM

It’s 1976. Tacky is in. The electorate wants the government to take care of their lives, happiness, and money.

Forget the polls. The stock market is predicting the outcome. Good investors know that while Obama is president, he will hold the stock market under water and drown it.

We know what’s going to happen. It’s time to start preparing for four very long years. Off to the wilderness.

In Barack Hussein Obama’s words:

BROKAW: Sen. Obama, are you saying to Mr. Clark and to the other members of the American television audience that the American economy is going to get much worse before it gets better and they ought to be prepared for that?

OBAMA: No, I am confident about the American economy.

ORLY?

Obama Resistance League Youth

indythinker on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 PM

Roger Waters on October 7, 2008 at 11:14 PM

They have pills for that.

I didn’t think the debate was at all boring. Neither did I think McCain or Obama won. More like a rainout at the bottom of the 5th inning. The early debate featuring McCain attacking was great but then the whole thing went flat.

Time for another Stoly and cranberry.

Limerick on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 PM

DOW 5000 by November

DOW 1500 by January

rockhauler on October 7, 2008 at 11:24 PM

I think we could see 7000 in the dow by january. maybe 5000.

lorien1973 on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 PM

McCain treated the audience as if they are intelligent and rational. Big mistake.

CNN is sucking hard for Osama Obama. So will the MSM. That’s all that matters today.

We are doomed to having President-For-Life Obama, repression of dissent and rampant Marxism.

Unless, that is, there’s a voting-booth miracle, and people wake up and understand that McCain sees the American public as rational humans, instead of The Messiah’s childlike followers.

MrScribbler on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 PM

If you were an ‘Independent’, the govt. re-negotiating your monthly mortgage payment for the current market value of your home is a GOOD THING. For MCCAIN.

i guarantee every homeowner that writes the checks knows how much they pay each month with their mortgage payment (if fixed rate, that is). and i guarantee during all the nightly news stories worried about the economy, those indie homeowners have thought to themselves or asked their friend or family or spouse “Does this affect my home? If I had to sell my home today it would be for a LOSS!” I know there will be the weeping and gnashing of teeth decryying ’socialism’, but to peeps in Florida, Ohio, COLORADO (denver one of worst hit markets), etc., this is a very good and “FAIR” idea that doesn’t offer a handout, just a renegotiated mortgage.

We hate it, but GREAT idea for swing voters. Just watch.

battleoflepanto1571 on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 PM

As far as I’m concerned…I have about 21/2 months to prepare for President Obama. McCain doesn’t have a clue on how to make Obama look like the radical leftist he is and time is running out.

John Doe on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 PM

rockmom on October 7, 2008 at 11:21 PM

I think that the 300 B plan is in addition. Either way, McCain did a poor job explaining it and I think it hurt him.

JVelez on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 PM

Why aren’t we hearing anything about abortion, gun control, school vouchers, extending Bush’ tax cuts, fairness doctrine or religion in these debates? Could it be because these issues could potential get Obama in trouble?

neuquenguy on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 PM

DOW 5000 by November
DOW 1500 by January
rockhauler on October 7, 2008 at 11:24 PM

Populations of Texas and Alaska double by November.

Triple by January.

Bishop on October 7, 2008 at 11:26 PM

Huck may be a big government huckster, but so is McCain now. And at least Huck has energy.

Speedwagon82 on October 7, 2008 at 11:26 PM

“Rog,

What’s the matter? I thought you wanted Obama to win? Yes, McCain is a Rhino but Sarah Palin is now fully vetted and when she is back in 4 or 8 years she’ll be more experienced and battlehardened. Let’s hope she looks better than Hillary at that age.

If Obama wins, he is going to have a VERY TOUGH time. His socialist push is going to backfire.

Sapwolf on October 7, 2008 at 11:19 PM”

Uh, No I dont want Obama to win. And if you think airhead Sarah Palin is going to be POTUS, then I am guessing you either voted for this pretend-a-maverick douche or you voted for Huck because Sarah Palin is cute and young but she is an airhead and was a gimmick that Mav tried and it blew up in old-man face. Or maybe you dont read polls. Mave has lost about 8 poins in the polls since he brought your wonderful airhead Palin on board even though she doesnt know what a newspaper is.

Roger Waters on October 7, 2008 at 11:26 PM

John Doe on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 PM

He took on the leftist by becoming one. Mavericky!

lorien1973 on October 7, 2008 at 11:26 PM

I think the Dow is falling as much because Obama is ahead in the polls as because of the credit problems. One good story not mentioned in the press…

Vashta.Nerada on October 7, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Spot on! I think that’s part of it.

Couple other things the media gets wrong and fails to figure out, 1. Most Americans think the country is on the wrong track….damn skippy we think that, especially considering Obama will probably win the White House. And 2. Unemployment is up….well duh, the dumb-ass Dems raised the minimum wage the past two years. What’d ya expect was gonna happen?

dugan on October 7, 2008 at 11:27 PM

The Old Man of the Sea did fine…strong in econ…
But we need Sweet Sexy Sarah to Save Our Ship..she’s fab, a Spoiler and Show Stopper…debate tonite was boring without her..!!
SARAH SARAH SARAH…SHE’LL BE IN PHILLY SOON AND I’M GOING TO DIG INTO MY DWINDLING RETIREMENT TO SEE HER…

HASTA LA VISTA, BABY!!

gracie on October 7, 2008 at 11:27 PM

MrScribbler on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 PM

If Obama wins we will have a real test of our government and the separation of powers.

carbon_footprint on October 7, 2008 at 11:27 PM

Load up on guns, when they try to take them away we’ll have just cause.

John_Locke on October 7, 2008 at 11:27 PM

Like I said, McCain is terrible… I think the reason he is a “maverick” is because he blows at argument…

ninjapirate on October 7, 2008 at 11:20 PM

I am afraid that I agree. If not for Sarah I would be holding my nose in this one and voting for McCain. At least she beef’s up the ticket in hopes of her rise in politics should McCain win.

Obama is a slick talker, but says nothing! I am an educated voter and he scares the sh*t out of me! I just wish that McCain was stronger and quicker to the argument. McCain gets lost and sounds bad, Obama is lost but can sounds slick.

If you cant articulate your position; you dont know it! That goes for both of them. They bleed their talking points.

God help us.

OSUBuciz1 on October 7, 2008 at 11:27 PM

gracie on October 7, 2008 at 11:27 PM

God bless you!

carbon_footprint on October 7, 2008 at 11:27 PM

neuquenguy on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 PM

No shiite. Sixty million gun owners would like to know what Obiscuit thinks about them.

Bishop on October 7, 2008 at 11:27 PM

My advice to Mac would be. Send SArah to every state you have to hold. Fire your communications people and let Sarah do her thing. You go to the blue state or states you’d like to take from Obambi. At night, watch some tape of Sarah banging away on Obama, all with a smile on her face. Its not that hard to do, and will serve you well.

james23 on October 7, 2008 at 11:28 PM

Why aren’t we hearing anything about abortion, gun control, school vouchers, extending Bush’ tax cuts, fairness doctrine or religion in these debates? Could it be because these issues could potential get Obama in trouble?

neuquenguy on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 PM

+1

The lack of social issue questions was infuriating. When are we going to hear about them?

SAZMD on October 7, 2008 at 11:28 PM

I guess it was an editorial position for Ed to write this analysis, and not Allah.

Wise move.

Vyce on October 7, 2008 at 11:28 PM

It`s going to be down to the wire and it`ll tie my stomach in knots.

ThePrez on October 7, 2008 at 11:28 PM

We will lose this election because somehow, we ended up with John McCain, who I think at this point is doing a worse job than Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee would have done.

John_Locke on October 7, 2008 at 11:16 PM

What planet are you on? ANY other Republican besides John McCain would be behind by 15 or 20 points right now.

We will lose this election because George W. Bush is the biggest fuckup in history.

rockmom on October 7, 2008 at 11:28 PM

The visuals were death for McCain and will hurt him (especially with women). Those stools and the open space walking around made McCain look old and stiff.
I beg to differ Downtown @11:04. McCain stood up and paid attention throughout the debate. Obama was sitting every time he got a chance to sit and he smirks while he’s sitting, that to me (especially as a woman) is galling.

kellyjane on October 7, 2008 at 11:29 PM

Send Gov Palin to Michigan NOW!!!!!

SouthernGent on October 7, 2008 at 11:23 PM

Bump!

Looks like good news to me.

Dorvillian on October 7, 2008 at 11:29 PM

Roger Waters on October 7, 2008 at 11:26 PM

You are not to speak. I don’t like you.

Bishop on October 7, 2008 at 11:29 PM

Why aren’t we hearing anything about abortion, gun control, school vouchers, extending Bush’ tax cuts, fairness doctrine or religion in these debates? Could it be because these issues could potential get Obama in trouble?

neuquenguy on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 PM

and OBama is for Live Birth Abortion on his record, Media keeping the issue off the table.

The media is the enemy, and how the GOP can not negotiate for atleast 1 of the 3 debates to have a conservative leaning Moderator instead of Liberal is beyond me. WTF?

jp on October 7, 2008 at 11:30 PM

Ed,

Either I didnt notice in your post the fact that McCain tonight offered to subsidize homeowners with bad debts with no explantion of the recklessness of the loan, and can we we assume that John McCain has crossed the “socialism” barrier that Obama has relished and the left embraces, what can we assume from here?

If this is one tenth of what Obama is promising, I guess it’s a bargin…….and brilliant.

Rovin on October 7, 2008 at 11:30 PM

We will lose this election because George W. Bush is the biggest fuckup in history.

rockmom on October 7, 2008 at 11:28 PM

That definitely hurts us, but any Republican who could attack Obama or even begin to understand free market economics would mop the floor with Obama.

John_Locke on October 7, 2008 at 11:30 PM

What was that insane 300 billion dollar boondoggle?

***

TexasJew on October 7, 2008 at 11:22 PM

Nina Easton drew a big red circle around that point in the Fox post-mortem.

Colmes just said McCain has had earmarks?

BuckeyeSam on October 7, 2008 at 11:30 PM

The free market died tonight. A sad death.

lorien1973 on October 7, 2008 at 11:18 PM

Not to mention any semblance of a non-hysteria based environmental policy.

infidel4life on October 7, 2008 at 11:30 PM

rockmom on October 7, 2008 at 11:28 PM

McCain is down 15-20 points in some places. Palin is the only reason this thing is close.

And she needs to start divorcing herself from McCain. He’s a socialist. I didn’t want to believe it before. But he is.

$300 billion to buy back mortgages that are “unfair” ?

lorien1973 on October 7, 2008 at 11:30 PM

At least the global warming question was a moment of comic relief. I can’t believe anybody is even thinking about that crap right now.

forest on October 7, 2008 at 11:30 PM

That definitely hurts us, but any Republican who could attack Obama or even begin to understand free market economics would mop the floor with Obama.

John_Locke on October 7, 2008 at 11:30 PM

More than right.

blatantblue on October 7, 2008 at 11:31 PM

I guess it was an editorial position for Ed to write this analysis, and not Allah.

Wise move.

Vyce on October 7, 2008 at 11:28 PM

ditto

Allah would be searching DU for post-debate polls to show McCain doing as badly as possible.

jp on October 7, 2008 at 11:31 PM

McCain won hands down.

That the media can’t admit it is the downer.

And Michelle Obama’s silver streak up her crack was an awful red dress backslide. It FELT uncomfortable to look at, as though she had a zipper stuck in her ass.

Cindy McCain looked impeccably gorgeous and stately.

maverick muse on October 7, 2008 at 11:31 PM

I am a conservative ex-republican. In the interest of full disclosure, I think McCain is the WORST possible candidate the repubs could have picked. I watched the whole debate and I just couldn’t see where McCain made any real headway at all. He fell back on rehearsed boring platitude answers. At one point he accused Obama of “wanting to pass 850 billion dollars in extra spending, and I thought, “DIDN’T BOTH OF YOU JUST DO THAT?????” and for what? Proposing bonuses for fortune 500 CEO’s??? What the hell is that? McCain is an old, cranky, one foot in the grave L I B E R A L !!! The GOP party leadership and the RINO’s really screwed the pooch. He will lose in a 40+ state landslide!

Bikerken on October 7, 2008 at 11:32 PM

Allah would be searching DU for post-debate polls to show McCain doing as badly as possible.

jp on October 7, 2008 at 11:31 PM

Allah would have hung himself and sent us the picture with the text: I suggest you do the same.”

In fact, I’m a little concerned for his health after tonight, I hope he didn’t watch.

John_Locke on October 7, 2008 at 11:32 PM

McCain did a much better job on the economy than Obama did and pwnd him on the issue of supporting Israel if they are attacked. Obama was strongest on the issue of health care but McCain rightly challenged him on how he intends to pay for it especially in the current economic climate. In the end I give it McCain although I don’t think he produced the performance he needed turn things around completely but by no means is he out of the race. In fact I believe this just the beginning of the McCain campaign starting to turn things around and driving home their message to voters before election day. As they say slow and steady wins the race.

Dreadnought223 on October 7, 2008 at 11:32 PM

Why aren’t we hearing anything about abortion, gun control, school vouchers, extending Bush’ tax cuts, fairness doctrine or religion in these debates? Could it be because these issues could potential get Obama in trouble?

neuquenguy on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 PM

AGREE 100%!
I guarantee you that many voters can follow a death penalty or abortion question or gun question with ease and mentally tune out the Wall Street Journal lingo of “sub-prime mortgages”. What is the “theme” of the last debate? I can’t believe one of our strongest bases, Christian Conservatives, aren’t sitting at home bored out of their minds, and un-motivated.

Marcus on October 7, 2008 at 11:32 PM

We will lose this election because George W. Bush is the biggest fuckup in history.

rockmom on October 7, 2008 at 11:28 PM

Yeah, but at least you’re still alive to say that.
Sorry, not necessarily a big fan of Bush’s lately myself; but I gotta admit he at least got one big-ticket item right. And protecting this country from terrorism is ONE. BIG. TICKET.

dugan on October 7, 2008 at 11:32 PM

and OBama is for Live Birth Abortion on his record, Media keeping the issue off the table.

Well, I don’t know what the main topic of the last debate is supposed to be, but McCain needs to find a way to slide this info in. Millions of on-the-fencers could be swayed by baby-killing. (At least, you’d think so.)

ErinF on October 7, 2008 at 11:32 PM

Ann Althouse has a photo up showing that Obama wore an earpiece during tonight’s debate.

OMG. You’re going to make yourself sound crazy. All I see is a reflection off really clean ears. Please, don’t go there. There’s no way with his cropped haircut he would ever risk wearing an earpiece that would be clearly visible.

Sensible Mom on October 7, 2008 at 11:32 PM

Roger Waters on October 7, 2008 at 11:26 PM

Does your mother know you’re on the computer?

infidel4life on October 7, 2008 at 11:33 PM

Why aren’t we hearing anything about abortion, gun control, school vouchers, extending Bush’ tax cuts, fairness doctrine or religion in these debates? Could it be because these issues could potential get Obama in trouble?

neuquenguy on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 PM

While this may be true, most folks right now are not concerned about this discussions — except possibly the tax cut issue. It’s ALL about economics right now — period. It’s what folks are concerned about and all other discussions and topics are going to take a back seat to the economy…

eanax on October 7, 2008 at 11:33 PM

McCain wins on points

Being dead right doesn’t make you any less dead.

Murphy9 on October 7, 2008 at 11:33 PM

Rove is talking about trajectories. How can you have a trajectory when you’re underground wearing lead boots?

McCain needed to harness national anger.

He also needs to call Obama’s tax cut what it is–welfare.

McCain needs to learn the mechanics of his own tax policy and the mechanics of his tax credit. Biden lied about it last Thursday and McCain should have drawn a red circle around it.

BuckeyeSam on October 7, 2008 at 11:33 PM

to peeps in Florida, Ohio, COLORADO (denver one of worst hit markets), etc., this is a very good and “FAIR” idea that doesn’t offer a handout, just a renegotiated mortgage.

battleoflepanto1571 on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 PM

In other words, a handout. Come on, get a grip on reality.

FloatingRock on October 7, 2008 at 11:34 PM

If we’re all going to get bailed out when should I stop paying my bills? Or will I have a choice in the matter after they proceed to pay everyone else’s bills and tank the economy even more? Sure the Dow will be 12000 but how many wheelbarrows full of money will a loaf of bread cost?

LevStrauss on October 7, 2008 at 11:34 PM

I beg to differ Downtown @11:04. McCain stood up and paid attention throughout the debate. Obama was sitting every time he got a chance to sit and he smirks while he’s sitting, that to me (especially as a woman) is galling.

kellyjane on October 7, 2008 at 11:29 PM

There was an awful lot of smirking from The One this evening, he seemed pretty arrogant, but that’s nothing new.

At one point when McCain was speaking he let out a little guffaw.

Smart people are rarely arrogant. They have a firm grasp of how much knowledge is out there, and how little of it they actually command, they also know that “green behind the ears” is not actually a saying.

Dorvillian on October 7, 2008 at 11:34 PM

“Does your mother know you’re on the computer?

infidel4life on October 7, 2008 at 11:33 PM

No, but your mother does.

pwned

Roger Waters on October 7, 2008 at 11:34 PM

Yep McCain won the debate, big whoop. He lost the election.

Vigilante on October 7, 2008 at 11:35 PM

Load up on guns, when they try to take them away we’ll have just cause.

John_Locke on October 7, 2008 at 11:27 PM

Stop braggin’ ’bout yur 2nd amendment rights….who do you think you are? a Patriot?

Rovin on October 7, 2008 at 11:35 PM

battleoflepanto1571 on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 PM

To people in buying condos in Florida for the sole reason of flipping them? And anyone else getting the ill-advised second mortage to buy extravagances.

No sympathy. Tough toenails.

BuckeyeSam on October 7, 2008 at 11:35 PM

“McCain won hands down.

That the media can’t admit it is the downer.

And Michelle Obama’s silver streak up her crack was an awful red dress backslide. It FELT uncomfortable to look at, as though she had a zipper stuck in her ass.

Cindy McCain looked impeccably gorgeous and stately.

maverick muse on October 7, 2008 at 11:31 PM”

Yeah, it sucks that the media and the voters cant admit it. they wont admit it on voting day either

Roger Waters on October 7, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Oh, and…..Tom Brokaw is dreadful. Can NBC get any worse?

james23 on October 7, 2008 at 11:36 PM

No, but your mother does.

pwned

Roger Waters on October 7, 2008 at 11:34 PM

Pwn hard. Pwn often.

blatantblue on October 7, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Roger Waters on October 7, 2008 at 11:26 PM

Shut up and sing.

Dorvillian on October 7, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Sorry, not necessarily a big fan of Bush’s lately myself; but I gotta admit he at least got one big-ticket item right. And protecting this country from terrorism is ONE. BIG. TICKET.

I agree. I happen to think Bush would have been labeled a decent president were it not for the terrorist-enabling-mass-media-conglomerate. If it wasn’t for the lib press and lib pols trying to trip Bush day after day after day, we would have won this war a long time ago and our servicemen would be home to enjoy the holidays with their families. Bush is a good man who has had a bad wrap.

And I don’t think McCain would be a “Bush’s Third Term” by any stretch. But I would rather have a third Bush term than a Bin-Laden-lite first term, dammit!

ErinF on October 7, 2008 at 11:37 PM

Oh, and…..Tom Brokaw is dreadful. Can NBC get any worse?

james23 on October 7, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have just joined as the newest “nonpartisan experts” on politics.

John_Locke on October 7, 2008 at 11:37 PM

ha ha

Roger Waters on October 7, 2008 at 11:37 PM

The media is the enemy, and how the GOP can not negotiate for atleast 1 of the 3 debates to have a conservative leaning Moderator instead of Liberal is beyond me. WTF?

jp on October 7, 2008 at 11:30 PM

It’s because the Repub establishment is inept and not much different from their counterparts in Washington.

eanax on October 7, 2008 at 11:37 PM

In law school, we had a prof who taught securities regulation. His nickname was the energy vampire. I’m beginning to get that vibe from McCain.

BuckeyeSam on October 7, 2008 at 11:37 PM

People. Town hall debates are not the place to “stick the knife” into anyone, unless the hall is populated by partisans.

Every time McCain went after Obama, he fell flat. That isn’t an accident. It’s only when he stepped up and went around Obama that he resonated, and in those cases, he resonated in a way that will matter.

I do not like McCain’s ideas on anything other than foreign policy and nuclear power. I believe the man is essentially a center-left politician on many of the critical issues facing us. However, I also believe that he’s was the only man on that floor that had an inkling of what it means to lead a ship of state.

Washington is not a monolith that can be led by the force of personality. It takes skill. Obama simply does not have that skill. It doesn’t matter if every person in Washington wants to do anything he asks. If he’s not able to tell them what to do, then nothing happens. The end result will be a melange of false-starts and crippling indecision. See Jimmy Carter for an example of this principle.

McCain will not get much of a bump, if any, from this debate. What McCain will get is the quiet, sinking realization among many folks that might want to vote for Obama that he’s just not competent enough to do the job, regardless of how special he might be as a person. That will happen once the curtain closes.

That isn’t to say that McCain will get enough. For heaven’s sake, he’s got to overcome the inevitable Chicago-style cheating. But what he’s done, and for this I’m thankful to him, is to reassert the underlying worldview of conservatism: that individuals make the world run. Even if he doesn’t walk away with a win, we’re all better off for the fact that he couched his center-left policies within the framework of liberty.

spmat on October 7, 2008 at 11:38 PM

CNN focus group in Ohio: McCain 14, Obama 11

ejbentz on October 7, 2008 at 11:40 PM

In other words, a handout. Come on, get a grip on reality.

FloatingRock on October 7, 2008 at 11:34 PM

Or “vote buying” because that’s what this has come down to. It’s all about buying votes…

eanax on October 7, 2008 at 11:40 PM

McCain is down 15-20 points in some places. Palin is the only reason this thing is close.

lorien1973 on October 7, 2008 at 11:30 PM

Don’t believe those numbers.

johnt on October 7, 2008 at 11:40 PM

McCain could’ve owned Obama. At any one of those foreign policy questions, John McCain should have pulled out a photo of Bill Ayers dancing on the american flag, he should have held it up and walked around in front of the audience for all to see,, let them all get a close look,, and then tell America
WHO BILL AYERS IS AND HOW OBAMA LAUNCHED HIS POLITICAL CAREER OUT OF THIS MANS LIVING ROOM! And then mention that this is just one of many questionable associates of Obama!!
Then, hand the stupid photo to Obama and just ask the man if he is proud of this relationship,, and if not, why did he launch his political career out of Ayers living room!!!
That alone could have gone a long way towards changing this election!!
What is McCain thinking?? Is he afraid ???? Is he afraid to win???? STUPID OPPORTUNITY MISSED!!!

JellyToast on October 7, 2008 at 11:40 PM

I can’t believe how upset you all are over this mortgage thing. IT IS IN THE BAILOUT BILL. It is NOT an additional $300 billion from the taxpayer. Congress specifically wrote into the legislation provisions that require Treasury to work out defaults if possible on the loans backing the securities it is buying. Paulson would have done it anyway. He already corralled the 25 largest mortgage servicers in a voluntary effort to help distressed homeowners, which has modified over a million loans so far. The FDIC is modifying thousands of loans held by IndyMac. Countrywide just announced an 11-state settlement that will modify up to 400,000 mortgages.

And please, folks, stop with the bullshit about bailing out irresponsible people who bought homes they could not afford. A hell of a lot of REPUBLICAN VOTERS bought houses at the peak of the boom and have seen the bottom fall out of their home values at the same time they are losing jobs or seeing that adjustable rate loan that looked so affordable suddenly jump by $800 a month.

This market turned way faster and more violently than anyone ever anticipated. A lot of good people have been hurt badly by it. And it does their neighborhoods and the country no good to have them all foreclosed on and those houses sitting empty and vandalized.

rockmom on October 7, 2008 at 11:41 PM

Roger Waters on October 7, 2008 at 11:34 PM

Mine is 84 years old……..enjoy!

How does it feel to be the dumbest punk on this blog?

infidel4life on October 7, 2008 at 11:41 PM

McCain’s made a career at being independent and still,the idiot can’t win over independents. There’s a lesson here for all you weak-kneed wussy liberal republicans out there.

John Doe on October 7, 2008 at 11:41 PM

Just based on likability (which most undecided americans make their final decision on), I think Obama won this debate without a doubt.

On substance, except for that 300 Million mortgage bailout, Mccain was good.

justinok on October 7, 2008 at 11:41 PM

McCain went over and shook the hand of the ex Navy chief and thanked him for his service, all Obama did was give him a weak thank you, didn’t even get close to him.

That is all I needed to see and hear.

Carry on.

Old Hippie Vet on October 7, 2008 at 11:41 PM

is to reassert the underlying worldview of conservatism: that individuals make the world run. Even if he doesn’t walk away with a win, we’re all better off for the fact that he couched his center-left policies within the framework of liberty.

Sorry. Excuse me?

Conservatism? Individuals?

McCain just proposed a plan that says government knows what your house is worth. Forget about the people who own your mortgage. You can pay what you think is worth.

I dropped my jaw the second he said that. WTF?

This is conservative? How Exactly?

McCain took a hatchet to something tonight, alright. Too bad it wasn’t Obama.

It was to the free market. And then he took it to Reagan.

I’m so pissed, it is unbelievable.

lorien1973 on October 7, 2008 at 11:41 PM

What is your opinion about tonight’s debate?

I thought McCain was engaged and articulate, and Obama was aloof and meandering. Neither one said anything particularly memorable, but McCain at least seemed like he was in the same room with everybody else.

Jim Treacher on October 7, 2008 at 11:41 PM

So, where are the Evangelicals that are supposed to be so organized and that we can’t win without?

Blake on October 7, 2008 at 11:42 PM

The media is the enemy, and how the GOP can not negotiate for atleast 1 of the 3 debates to have a conservative leaning Moderator instead of Liberal is beyond me. WTF?

Two words:
Lindsey.
Graham.

(Can we publicly hang this man after Hussein wins?)

ErinF on October 7, 2008 at 11:42 PM

CNN focus group in Ohio: McCain 14, Obama 11

ejbentz on October 7, 2008 at 11:40 PM

CNN has completely stopped talking about the focus group in favor of their poll favoring Obama.

johnt on October 7, 2008 at 11:42 PM

How does it feel to be the dumbest punk on this blog?

infidel4life on October 7, 2008 at 11:41 PM

1) It’s a your mom joke. Chill

2) Everyone loves your mom jokes. Or they should.

John_Locke on October 7, 2008 at 11:42 PM

Ahem.
Mr Treacher,
and to think that I sent an angry e-mail to St. Hannity on your behalf…

You weren’t listening tonight, then, because Obama said “green behind the ears.” Are you saying he misspoke? Choose your next words carefully, racist!

Jim Treacher on October 7, 2008 at 11:43 PM

For the second time now, McCain has sugarcoated the lousy job Frank, Dodd, Pelosi, and Reid have done with this Congress.

I’m back to believing that McCain’s more interested in preserving his Senate seat and preserving good will with toads than winning the presidency–and improving things for us.

Robert Gibbs is channeling associations.

Why aren’t the people on McCain’s people echoing what a terrible job Obama did doling out a huge grant with Ayers.

Gibbs is calling Hannity anti-Semitic. His passed.

BuckeyeSam on October 7, 2008 at 11:44 PM

I did like the look on Obama’s face when McCain
went into the financial debauckle,it looked as
if Hopey walked into a wall!!

Obama seems to think as typical Lib,everything is a right!

McCain,believes,and rightly so,personal responsibility!

Obama thinks that TAXES,are to be shared as a BURDEN,
and as he says,unfair tax burden!!

So I guess,Obama will make sure you are sharing your burden,
or maybe thats what one of the jobs will be for the,”Civilan
National secruity Force”!

Obama mentioned the thousands of acres the “Big Oil” company
s own,Hopey said”Use it or lose it”,so its good to see Obama
holds the same outlook as Maxine Waters!

So it appears Hopey has made it quite clear just how far left and a socialist he really is!

Obama will do whats in the best interest of the Democratic
Party,the world,and then America!!

John’Maverick’McCain will do,whats right for America,and its
National Secruity interests!!

McCain looked good tonight,confident,knows what he talking
about,very Presidential,he just needs to be a tad more aggre
ssive!!

canopfor on October 7, 2008 at 11:44 PM

McCain is our candidate and we have to deal with it. He is not the most articulate guy and he has trouble understanding his own “fiscal conservative” beliefs. We have Palin on the stump, making speeches and attacking the weak Obama. Notice she gets on the MSM with her comments.
She will single-handily win the election for McCain.

jencab on October 7, 2008 at 11:45 PM

Why aren’t we hearing anything about abortion, gun control, school vouchers, extending Bush’ tax cuts, fairness doctrine or religion in these debates? Could it be because these issues could potential get Obama in trouble?

neuquenguy on October 7, 2008 at 11:25 PM

Because we allow the libs to put together the debates! These questions were stupid.

JellyToast on October 7, 2008 at 11:45 PM

But FoxNews said in their highly scientific text message poll that McCain won with 86%!

Obviously the election has changed completely!
/sarc

John_Locke on October 7, 2008 at 11:45 PM

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