Survey USA: Obama leads by double digits in New Hampshire and … Virginia
posted at 3:07 pm on October 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Even more gruesome than that Rasmussen national poll this morning putting The One at a cool 52 percent. The samples lean a bit towards the Dems in both states — eight-point and nine-point gaps, respectively — but given the size of the leads, it doesn’t much matter. From the Virginia poll:
There is movement among men, where immediately after the GOP convention, McCain led by 10, and where today Obama leads by 11.
There is movement among whites, where McCain’s once 22-point lead is today reduced to single digits.
There is movement among the well-to-do, where today for the first time Obama leads.
There is movement among pro-choice voters, where Obama’s lead has doubled since August.
New Hampshire went blue in ‘04 so McCain doesn’t absolutely have to have it, but it was one of the states he thought he had a shot at flipping. Same with Michigan, which he’s now abandoned. Virginia, though, went red four years ago, as it has in every election since 1964. Remember our back of the envelope math on electoral votes last week? If The One can hold on to Kerry’s states and his current leads in Nevada and Iowa, Virginia would put him over the top. And Survey USA’s not the only new poll showing him with a double-digit lead there. In fact, Karl Rove’s electoral map based on public polls as of Friday already puts Obama over the top with 273 EVs, and that’s with Virginia and Nevada bpth in the toss-up column. Not all the blues are lost causes — Colorado, Wisconsin, and Minnesota are all within six — but look how many yellows are teetering.
What’s the way out? An Ayers/Wright offensive simply isn’t going to hack it; even I can’t be bothered with it today between covering my face and peeking through my fingers at the sinking Dow. A sustained attack on the left over Fannie/Freddie will help, but I don’t know how you push that message through to low-information voters with the time left. It seems unlikely in the extreme that people who don’t follow this from day to day are to going react to a meltdown on Wall Street by electing the guy from the party commonly derided as a pawn of big business. On the contrary, the worse things get, the better The One’s vacuous rhetoric sounds. After all, what surer tonic could there be for a looming depression than Hopenchange? Pricetag: $5 trillion. Horrifying exit quotation from an unnamed McCain advisor suggesting they’re ready to give up: “If we keep talking about the economic crisis, we’re going to lose.” Note to Team Maverick — you have no choice.
Update: Almost forgot. If you think things can’t get worse, bear in mind that the preliminary report in the Troopergate probe is due out Friday.
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Roger:
No, she is not dumb. My God, what state are you the Governor of? What have you ever accomplished in your life that you can look at a woman like Sarah Palin who has accomplished a lot in the last 16 years and call her dumb?
You are just a petty little name caller. Bitter and pissy.
Terrye on October 6, 2008 at 3:44 PM
I live in VA and simply can’t believe these polls. Sure there are some “pockets” of Obama support … but I see McCain/Palin signs in even known blue terrority, something totally unexpected.
darwin on October 6, 2008 at 3:44 PM
Aren’t you the one who absolutely guaranteed Huck was going to win, and then you were absolutely sure McCain was going to pick Huck…with your projections, we are doomed.
right2bright on October 6, 2008 at 3:45 PM
You’re no tiger fan. GFY.
AubieJon on October 6, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Ok Roger – you have your opinion – fair enough – I have mine.
McCain fell into this nomination as a result of the GOP committing self inflicted suicide in the primary.
Sometimes you have to bottom out your boat to learn your way through the channel.
McCain is today – what he was in 2000 – unstable and unelectable.
That said – I will vote for him. Sorry to say.
jake-the-goose on October 6, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Not surprised. At all.
I’m glad I’m casting my Republican vote in Virginia, but I can’t wait to get outta this place. Nothing like living in a neighborhood where your neighbors are openly hostile to you because you dare to be Republican in Public.
Anna on October 6, 2008 at 3:45 PM
“AubieJon on October 6, 2008 at 3:43 PM”
What the hell, dear? If you cant stand people telling the truth, go back to your Oprah. You sound real dumb. Your insults could hardly affect me…maybe if they were semi semi clever but they are lame…like you.
Roger Waters on October 6, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Bless you Terrye – bless you.
jake-the-goose on October 6, 2008 at 3:46 PM
Where in VA? I’m in Va Beach
darwin on October 6, 2008 at 3:47 PM
“McCain fell into this nomination as a result of the GOP committing self inflicted suicide in the primary.
Sometimes you have to bottom out your boat to learn your way through the channel.
McCain is today – what he was in 2000 – unstable and unelectable.
That said – I will vote for him. Sorry to say.
jake-the-goose on October 6, 2008 at 3:45 PM”
You and I agree on that 100%, goose.
Roger Waters on October 6, 2008 at 3:47 PM
To all – let Roger Waters go.………
I have alerted the nurse that he is out of his room.
jake-the-goose on October 6, 2008 at 3:47 PM
Ok Roger – I will get back on my meds – you’re a good man.
jake-the-goose on October 6, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Don’t know if anyone posted this yet, but the youtube video of the kids acting like Hitler Youth was posted by their teacher who was warned not to do it and if he did, to seek legal counsel. He’s been susupended.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/06/middle-school-teacher-suspended-obama-frat-spat/
Blake on October 6, 2008 at 3:48 PM
jake:
Anytime.
Terrye on October 6, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Don’t believe in all this nonsense, either here or throughout the country. If you look back at the polls in ‘04 and ‘00, you’ll find the same thing as now, Gore and Kerry leading, the drive-bys smugly smirking to themselves.
DON’T BUY IT!
Just Vote! Don’t listen to the polls!
rightside on October 6, 2008 at 3:48 PM
What???
Look, genius, you were made what, the assistant manager of a copy center?
Name a person, friend of foe, that has gone up against her and now calls her dumb…only a lonely poster would post such a thing. Cheer up, when your acne clears and you can afford a car, you might be able to “buy” a date.
right2bright on October 6, 2008 at 3:49 PM
“This election is going to be a landslide Mccain win.
SaintOlaf on October 6, 2008 at 3:34 PM
Aren’t you the one who absolutely guaranteed Huck was going to win, and then you were absolutely sure McCain was going to pick Huck…with your projections, we are doomed.
right2bright on October 6, 2008 at 3:45 PM”
Yes, as a matter of fact, he WAS the loon that was giving us that swill.
Roger Waters on October 6, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Me too. Indian Lakes, to be specific.
Anna on October 6, 2008 at 3:49 PM
I knew I recognized the shtick: Hey Monica! Did the gastric bypass work or did you pop your staples already?
Faker.
AubieJon on October 6, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Game over man!
It’s a bugout, man!
Go sell all the crap stock that Cramer told you to buy RIGHT NOW! AT A LOSS! Since that’s what he’s saying today. Sellsellsellsell… ahhhhh! We’re all going to die!!
Throw Maria Bartiroma into the volcano!!
It’s really embarrassing, reading all this hysteria.
Take a deep breath and just continue to bang that scumbag Obama over the head with a bat. You’ll feel better..
TexasJew on October 6, 2008 at 3:49 PM
People!!!! McCain decided to start kicking a$$ today. Give the polls time.
If anything the citizens have been upset that McCain hasn’t been kicking butt and naming names all along.
The polls WILL change. Besides, the only poll that really matters takes place on 11.4.
Oink on October 6, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Dow is surging back. Will be a heavy loss, but nowhere near the -800 of earlier.
Mark1971 on October 6, 2008 at 3:50 PM
WoW – what a thread.
Now – if we (the GOP) can just stay this pissed off – maybe we can win this thing.
What a great thread.
jake-the-goose on October 6, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Rovian crap that got GW Bush the nomination in 2000. it was BS then and it is BS now.
You and that other idiot are nothing more than bitter losers who want to help elect Obama as my husband’s Commander in Chief at a time he is deployed in harm’s way.
Go f*ck yourselves.
funky chicken on October 6, 2008 at 3:51 PM
Yeah, people who can see Russia from their homes and cant answer really really hard questions like “what newspapers do you read?”
Roger WAters at 3:39pm>>>>
I’m sorry, but do you know how stupid this makes you look? This isn’t welfare alley where all we know is what’s on the soap operas and what the MSM tells us. Are you the only one here who doesn’t know that Palin’s “Russia” answer was chopped to bits in order to get sneers out of people too ignorant to check it out?
And if I asked you what size condom you wear would you answer it on national TV? Or are you too stupid to know the answer?
Palin mentioned in her Omaha speech that she had read in the New York Times. The crowd appropriately booed at the name of that a$$-wipe rag.
justincase on October 6, 2008 at 3:51 PM
Hey, how DARE you speak ill of our Dear Leader!
ThePrez on October 6, 2008 at 3:51 PM
Oh, and I forgot to mention – I was watching the local noon news today, and they mentioned Obama’s rally in Newport News that drew 20,000 people this past weekend. During the commercials, several pro-Obama ads, no McCain. Part of me wondered if that number was inflated, and part of me lost a little more hope at that report.
Anna on October 6, 2008 at 3:52 PM
“Name a person, friend of foe, that has gone up against her and now calls her dumb…only a lonely poster would post such a thing. Cheer up, when your acne clears and you can afford a car, you might be able to “buy” a date.
right2bright on October 6, 2008 at 3:49 PM”
Uh, I got news for you right2bright, the whole FRICKIN world is laughing at how she is unqualified to be veep let alone, God forbit, POTUS. Yeah, debate opponents are going to say that in public….dont be obtuse. She may seem smart to you as you work the fry machine, but for a potential V.P. of the U.S…..she is dumb as hell.
Roger Waters on October 6, 2008 at 3:52 PM
GWB and the Republican Congress gave us Great Society II and blew up the size of the Federal Government. I don’t know where in VA you live but NoVa has exploded in population as a result, that is why Webb is your Senator, and VA continues to go bluer and bluer. Besides VA is going to have Dem Senators and Governors for as far as the eye can see once Warner replaces Warner.
LevStrauss on October 6, 2008 at 3:53 PM
Wow now Funky Chicken – first I salute you and your husband for your service.
Please – I am in NOW FREAKING WAY for Obama. Lord no.
If you read through this thread – I will vote for John McCain – but I do not like him as a GOP nominee.
Sorry to insult you and your husband.
I did not mean to do that.
jake-the-goose on October 6, 2008 at 3:53 PM
LOL
Yep, that McCain speech is amazing. And Palin’s out there hammering on Ayers, “other terrorist supporters” etc.
Let loose the dogs of war. McCain and Palin are on point leading the charge.
And pathetic weasels are going to try to trip them up, just because they aren’t the “right” kind of republicans.
funky chicken on October 6, 2008 at 3:54 PM
You know who I think is “dumb as hell”? People who swallow every friggin’ word the media tells them.
Read into that what you will.
capitalist piglet on October 6, 2008 at 3:54 PM
STRONG
jake-the-goose on October 6, 2008 at 3:55 PM
Is he vulgarian or sleek?
Authoritarian or meek?
I hear he’s steely as you please
I hear he’s really Japanese
He may be shrewd, he may be crude
Ah well, it’s hard to tell
Who is Allahpundit, pray tell?
Here’s the one sweet lesson of history
Ev’ry soul is a mystery
Faces change. What you knew grows strange
And we all have so many faces
The real self often erases
With all those lies dancing in our eyes!
We all are caught in the middle
Of one long dangerous riddle
Can I trust you? Should you trust me too?
We’re all alone in this hell
And we all have secrets to sell
And there comes a day when we sell our souls away!
Tav on October 6, 2008 at 3:55 PM
Excellent question, and herein lies the problem.
To produce a valid and reliable poll outcome the pollster must have a firm understanding of the population parameter he is sampling. He must then determine appropriate sample sizes, significance levels and the appropriate interrogatories. There are also many other variables that must be considered and dealt with before a poll is taken and conclusions are reached, The point is that if he doesn’t apply sound scientific methods, or if he improperly samples the population, or, if he simply doesn’t understand the population he is sampling, then the result will be nothing but mathematical garbage. Polls can be excellent predictive devices if properly constructed, conducted and evaluated. They can also be totally worthless if the previous criteria are not met. In this day of “entertainment polls” I believe that many if not all media polls fall into the latter category. If you are sincerely interested in the results of a poll then you should ask the pollster to provide all of his sampling statistics, raw data and demographics . . . if he balks, throw his poll in the trash.
rplat on October 6, 2008 at 3:56 PM
When people resort to generalizations like “the whole world” to try to make a point, it usually means they are 1. weak at making points, and 2. poor slobs who try desperately to get attention by assuming elitist personae to mask their many shortcomings.
AubieJon on October 6, 2008 at 3:57 PM
Note to McCain: if you want to win a state like Virginia, it is best not to refer to the state’s breadwinning region as communist.
philnewkirk on October 6, 2008 at 3:57 PM
For God’s sake, pull yourself together.
Newport News, home of Michael Vick. What a shock that they are all for the Obamassiah.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31487_Anyone_for_Toast
The media is 100%, all chips in the pot, full in for Obama this election. It’s way more than they were in for Gore or Kerry. They will do everything in their power to push him into office.
YOU MUST be ready for their attempt to demoralize you, and you MUST resist. And don’t go around spreading depression if you fail to resist on your own.
funky chicken on October 6, 2008 at 3:59 PM
In a way Huck did “win”. He’s the only candidate that you will see regularly on a news channel for 4-8 years.
LevStrauss on October 6, 2008 at 3:59 PM
“Palin mentioned in her Omaha speech that she had read in the New York Times. The crowd appropriately booed at the name of that a$$-wipe rag.
justincase on October 6, 2008 at 3:51 PM”
Oh dear. Justincase, are you serious? HA HA!! She blanked when she was asked that 7th grade level question and then the campaign advisors gave her a speech that said “you know, I was just reading the NY Times, after I had finished with the Wall Street Journal and Barrons Monthly along with the magazine The Economist and I noted in the NY Times that I was reading after I read The Economist and The Wall Street Journal that it mentioned that Obama had a friend called Bill Ayers”.
And YOU actually believed that she really really does have intellectual curiosity and reads those periodicals? HA HA!! There is one born every minute.
Roger Waters on October 6, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Absolutley don’t let the polls discourage you from voting, it’s the final count that matters, not what the current polls are showing.
In fact one of the tactics of the Obama campaign is to continue to tout the polls in their favor to discourage voters from voting, don’t let them get away with it, get out there and vote!
Besides, in the primaries the “polls” conducted had been wrong every time, they ended up the opposite of what the pre-caucus polls and exit polls had indicated, so don’t lose hope, instead get out the vote!
Liberty or Death on October 6, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Note to McCain: if you want to win a state like Virginia, it is best not to refer to the state’s breadwinning region as communist.
philnewkirk on October 6, 2008 at 3:57 PM
That probably GAINED him votes up there!
How can you not admire the truth when you’re surrounded by lunatics?
TexasJew on October 6, 2008 at 4:00 PM
No for the seventeenth time that was Red Pill.
SaintOlaf on October 6, 2008 at 4:00 PM
On Huck: Every clown has his day – Huckabee is game show host.
jake-the-goose on October 6, 2008 at 4:00 PM
I just can’t figure it out. I’m surrounded by Liberals, and I see people who voted for Kerry say they won’t vote for Obama and then I see reports that Obama is winning in Virginia and Montana? I’ve be worried the last week or so about an electoral tie and now Virginia is going blue? VIRGINIA? What’s it gonna take to get through to these people? He’s not just inexperienced. He’s not just a blame-America first, disband the military, let’s live in commune extreme leftist. He’s creating a cult of personality like Stalin & Chavez! His presidency is a civil war waiting to happen! If we let this happen, if we let him get elected, history, if there is anyone left to write it, will record this guy’s rise to power heralded the end of global freedom for generations. I don’t know if I should be stocking up on ammunition or cyanide pills!
Browncoatone on October 6, 2008 at 4:01 PM
John Mccain: “Yes I will gladly run for president against a black muslim candidate in a 80% White, 80% protestant Christian nation.”
SaintOlaf on October 6, 2008 at 4:03 PM
the Yuri Bezmenov video from 1984 is paticularly disturbing.
I’d say we are well pass the 15-20 years of demoralization at this point. We can thank God for Ronald Reagan and buying us time on this but looks like problem was just punted down the field.
jp on October 6, 2008 at 4:03 PM
My wife works for VB schools and she said nearly everyone she talks to wants McCain and can’t stand Obama. I was pretty surprised to say the least.
darwin on October 6, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Hey, misery loves company!
Seriously, I guess I should say it’s not the rally itself that upsets me, it’s the obvious bias of the news. I never watch the local news, but I was flipping and I stopped to watch the weather and stuck with it. I know that people like my mother-in-law, who watches network tv and reads newspapers, they’re not being presented with all the facts, and they might not even be aware of that. So when I see a report of 20,000 for Obama, and all the pro-Obama ads, I lose hope that others are going to see through it.
That, and I’m a pessimist.
Anna on October 6, 2008 at 4:04 PM
“When people resort to generalizations like “the whole world” to try to make a point, it usually means they are 1. weak at making points, and 2. poor slobs who try desperately to get attention by assuming elitist personae to mask their many shortcomings.
AubieJon on October 6, 2008 at 3:57 PM”
You havent made a single substantive point yet, Aubie. All you have contributed are very lame attempts at insulting me. Whats the matter? You dont have anything substantive to say? Maybe you are the type of person who thinks it was “greed” that caused the meltdown just like Palin, McCain and all the democrats.
Republicans nominated a guy who is barely barely barely a republican. Screw us….we deserve to go down. And down we are going. Or to speak like Sarah Palin: “down we are goin”.
Roger Waters on October 6, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Roger Waters on October 6, 2008 at 4:00 PM
OK, you don’t like Palin. Sort of an intimidation thing for you .. OK, I got it, and your buddy Botox Biden is a real genius, saying (for example) that France and the US kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon – three lies in one sentence, a new world’s record – the stupidest foreign policy statement I have heard since that cretin Andy Young packed up his belongings in a brown paper bag after he left the UN in 1979.
TexasJew on October 6, 2008 at 4:05 PM
It’s gonna be a landslide John Kerry win!
He’s ahead 15% in the polls!
SaintOlaf on October 6, 2008 at 4:05 PM
How many of you have been to a McCain rally, a McCain\Palin rally or a Palin rally? The reason I ask is that I went to the Palin rally and I spoke to a lot of people there who I never would have thought would be supporting a Republican…Sarah Palin has been a huge draw and a lot of the people love her but these types of people weren’t the only ones there. A lot of the people I met hate just hate Obama, his inexperience, his lack of qualification, his arrogance, his anti military feelings, his associations, a lot of jewish peope there did not trust him…
Sarah Palin is smart and savvy but she also has something Obama thought only he had and that is an adoring base…she is more articulate, more American, more astute. more charming, more real, more experienced, more accomplished and honest…McCain did good in picking her…
I will keep saying this…don’t get depressed or demoralized and quit or the MSM, Soros, Ayers, pollsters, and who ever else is behind this travesty that is the Obama campaign will win! I’m home today preparing to start making calls,posting flyers and emailing info to people…
What are you doing to make sure we win?
CCRWM on October 6, 2008 at 4:05 PM
These polls are so depressing. I can’t for the life of me figure out what is wrong with these people wanting Obama as president.
moonsbreath on October 6, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Class of 2003 and 2005, how about you?
And if you’re fan, as you imply, how could you not be pissed at 70 yards of O in 3QTRs? Or the 8080242424242308108401 different coordinators Tubbs has had in 10 years?
p0s3r on October 6, 2008 at 4:05 PM
There might be hope yet.
Anna on October 6, 2008 at 4:05 PM
You’re probably correct but that was McCain’s brother and he was only referring to Alexandria and Annendale which are not “communist” areas, but are certainly the most liberal areas in Virginia. But, like I said, he could have left that alone.
rplat on October 6, 2008 at 4:06 PM
“In a way Huck did “win”. He’s the only candidate that you will see regularly on a news channel for 4-8 years.
LevStrauss on October 6, 2008 at 3:59 PM”
That’s not true…we will see Olbermann regularly on a news channel for 4 – 8 years as well. You know, I am not sure, who is worse…Olbermann or Lucifer Huckabee.
Roger Waters on October 6, 2008 at 4:07 PM
Palin isn’t dumb. Not even most of her lefty haters think she is dumb. But it was pretty clear that she wasn’t prepared for the MSM to quiz her on the “Bush doctrine”(however you define it) or stupid gotcha questions.
Speedwagon82 on October 6, 2008 at 4:08 PM
Allah,
get your panties untwisted. doom is not a good color on you. we have 30 days to change. you want to change the race? start talking about personal responsibility not government bailouts. During the vP debate this was the highest rated point Gov Palin made. Personal responsibility. individual choices not federal gov. Obama will lose if it is a choice of limited gov or full socialism. People want the federal government to do less, take less taxes, have less rules and do the damn job that they should be doing instead of giving poor people loans.
unseen on October 6, 2008 at 4:08 PM
the panic pundit just can’t help himself
james23 on October 6, 2008 at 4:08 PM
No, he wasn’t.
In mid-October 2004, Reuters/Zogby released a poll that showed Bush leading by 4. See for yourself.
Folks, this isn’t 2004; it’s 1964.
paul006 on October 6, 2008 at 4:08 PM
“OK, you don’t like Palin. Sort of an intimidation thing for you .. OK, I got it, and your buddy Botox Biden is a real genius, saying (for example) that France and the US kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon – three lies in one sentence, a new world’s record – the stupidest foreign policy statement I have heard since that cretin Andy Young packed up his belongings in a brown paper bag after he left the UN in 1979.
TexasJew on October 6, 2008 at 4:05 PM”
Dude, those werent even the dumbest things he said…nor the biggest lies. If you think I am voting for Biden, then, whatever. We have a choice between two tickets who think like democrats (except for the pro-life issue). I will vote for the least of the two evils (McCain/Palin). But, they have no chance and we deserve to lose.
Roger Waters on October 6, 2008 at 4:09 PM
He should just refer to the whole state as a Communistwealth. I know I do.
/VA’s taxes suck rotten eggs
Anna on October 6, 2008 at 4:09 PM
Americans are certified nutjobs if we elect obama
jp on October 6, 2008 at 4:10 PM
Dow’s up almost 500 from its low.
Jim “Sellsellsell!” Cramer seen being chased by 100 pissed-off old ladies.
It’s probably a “dead-cat bounce”, but that won’t save Cramer’s life..
TexasJew on October 6, 2008 at 4:10 PM
jp at 4:03PM
I was actually reading from the FBI files on Frank Marshall Davis – Obama’s mentor. His communist activity in America predates WWII. All of it centered in Chicago. He was actually sent to Hawaii because it was a hotbed of communist activity and because it had military significance.
This is never going to end. But the more we can inform people of its reality and its ability to deliberately create a financial 9-11, the harder it will be for them to find willing suckers to buy their crap.
justincase on October 6, 2008 at 4:11 PM
how will Repubs. be able to run against Obama if he wins. MSM won’t cover any of the bad he does, GOP will be called racist for any criticism??/
jp on October 6, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Yeah, I was pissed that Cramer did that. He could give his advice without being so dramatic and spooking the market. And I like Cramer but he sometimes goes overboard.
Roger Waters on October 6, 2008 at 4:11 PM
It’s gonna be a landslide John Kerry win!
He’s ahead 15% in the polls!
SaintOlaf on October 6, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Ding ding ding! They had that number going into the voting booth and something near it from polling those who just voted, yet we know the result.
A lot of bellyaching about the polls when there are internal numbers which are a lot more precise than what we get.
Bishop on October 6, 2008 at 4:11 PM
you know, if the Rosenburgs were Commie spies like we just learned and Left is still in denial about. What is chance there are plenty of KGB loyalist still working undercover in Govt?
It’s erie time too, between Obama and the Useful Idiots in the Press. Russia/Putin making a move right now, the odd timing of the Fincial crisis?
jp on October 6, 2008 at 4:13 PM
Roger Waters on October 6, 2008 at 4:09 PM
Look, I’m one of the old “McCain-haters” on this site(though nowhere as nuts as MB4). But we’re in a war, and Obama will seal the triumverate. So color me Maverick.
I happen to like Palin because she’s the only person in this race who knows crap about energy – my business – and on that very critical subject, she’s about 140 IQ points above O’Biden and our own candidate.
TexasJew on October 6, 2008 at 4:15 PM
if it comes to that, which given his apprent fondness for his own Pres. Seal and Greek/Roman history…atleast the Military is a Right-Wing leaning outfit for most part. Maybe they’d rebel, an all out race war would ensue though.
jp on October 6, 2008 at 4:17 PM
Bill Clinton could get a lifetime pass from conservatives, redeem all past doings….IF, he’d come out publicly for mcCain and claim he just learned something new abotu Obama that he could not support and is wrong for the nation
jp on October 6, 2008 at 4:18 PM
God, I never thought I’d miss Bill Clinton.
Browncoatone on October 6, 2008 at 4:19 PM
I just wonder what Bill is thinking right now.
Mark1971 on October 6, 2008 at 4:20 PM
if it comes to that, which given his apprent fondness for his own Pres. Seal and Greek/Roman history…atleast the Military is a Right-Wing leaning outfit for most part. Maybe they’d rebel, an all out race war would ensue though.
jp on October 6, 2008 at 4:17 PM
I think you’re going a bit off the edge, but as far as the “race war”, tell me, which side will Obama fight on?
As I’ve said before, his mother was whiter than mine..
TexasJew on October 6, 2008 at 4:21 PM
“I happen to like Palin because she’s the only person in this race who knows crap about energy – my business – and on that very critical subject, she’s about 140 IQ points above O’Biden and our own candidate.
TexasJew on October 6, 2008 at 4:15 PM”
Agreed dude. Color me Maverick as well. But, we agree, we are going to get what we deserve. Frickin John McCain, anti 1st amendment, open borders dude that lied and teamed up with Lucifer Huck to get the nomination. Chickens comin home to roooooooooooooooost.
Roger Waters on October 6, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Allah,
Calm yourself.
Reports of My Death Are Greatly Exaggerated
PattyJ on October 6, 2008 at 4:21 PM
I’ll piggyback on this. I live in Northern VA, in a HEAVILY liberal / Democrat area – specifically, I have the misfortune of living in the district that keeps re-electing that old anti-semitic fool Jim Moran.
And I’m seeing a lot of McCain signs. Obama signs are far more prevalent, of course, but I’m seeing more McCain signs, for example, then I saw Bush signs in 2004.
Anecdotal evidence, of course, and I’m not exactly predicting a McCain win in VA….I have my fears.
But I will commit to this: I do NOT believe that it’s that big of a lead for Obama here. Obama may win the state, but these numbers, IMO, are not an accurate representation of how things really are in the state. I think it’s far closer than that.
Vyce on October 6, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Heh. Beat me to it. I was looking for the link and got sidetracked. Good read though, nonetheless.
Sound familiar?
rightside on October 6, 2008 at 4:22 PM
I live in Virginia, and you see a lot of activity at the McCain offices and exactly none at Uuuuuuhbama’s. They need to stop polling in the northern part of Virginia, and poll the rest of us.
thekingtut on October 6, 2008 at 4:27 PM
The media is in the tank for Obama, but I’m supposed to trust their polls?
Disturb the Universe on October 6, 2008 at 4:28 PM
good question, the side that would win and has the ‘moral authority’ card to play.
I just think all this stuff with Obama, his fondness in himself(the cult of obama), Presidential Seal, Greek/Roman stuff and of course the fact he’s a marxist with near absolute control over the media is creepy and erie. All the “USA = Rome” comparison gain some traction. In the end our system of Govt., balance of powers, should be enough to stop that from occurring, but worried abotu what the Media is doing right now.
jp on October 6, 2008 at 4:30 PM
jp at 4:13
I don’t think it’s coincidence at all. Nor are the responses from Putin, Chavez, Ahmadinejad, and Al Qaeda – crowing about how this crisis shows that the free market doesn’t work, that America’s Constitution needs to be ditched.
I just saw in passing that Germany is thinking about how to shield itself from the dangers of the US market. This thing is calling into question the ability of the free market to be stable – even though it was the VIOLATION of the free market through forced subprime lending that got us here.
I think the vast majority of Americans love America. They don’t know we are being sytematcally targeted and attacked. If we let them know, they will be majorly ticked off.
A lady at church yesterday was undecided. I explained to her what Obama’s “community organizing” actually was and she visibly recoiled. It was like Obama had almost raped her by getting her to think he wasn’t a mobster.
It’s like Bezmenov said – the people who believe in an ideal will be the worst enemies when they realize they’ve been had. If we can let America know they’re being had, Obama won’t stand a chance.
If I can get ink in my printer, I intend to send the transcript of the Bezmenov interview to every college professor, newspaper, and TV station I can.
If somebody is artistic it would be great to come up with a little tract that could be put on people’s parked cars or something. We have to find a way to inform the people who only watch the MSM.
justincase on October 6, 2008 at 4:30 PM
Actually, I just thought of a great slogan for the McCain campaign:
Piss off Allahpundit – Elect McCain
thirteen28 on October 6, 2008 at 4:32 PM
You’re not fooling anybody. Your last sentence is a dead giveaway, Mr. Astroturf.
fossten on October 6, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Obama makes Bill Clinton look like a boy scout.
I never thought that would be possible.
capitalist piglet on October 6, 2008 at 4:36 PM
Isn’t that Cramer guy always over the top? it’s his schtick
funky chicken on October 6, 2008 at 4:36 PM
lol, I like it!
funky chicken on October 6, 2008 at 4:38 PM
Don’t forget who he was better than on spending and illegal immigration. Hint, he’s in the white house. I hated Clinton but Bush who has been worse on these and other issues but my feelings for Bush are apparently just BDS.
LevStrauss on October 6, 2008 at 4:38 PM
Unfortunately no matter who wins, Bush policies will be blamed for anything bad.
infidel on October 6, 2008 at 4:38 PM
I don’t watch financial news very much. Do people really trust guy?
Mark1971 on October 6, 2008 at 4:39 PM
I meant “this” guy
Mark1971 on October 6, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Bush has done some remarkably good things, and personally I’m sick of the bashing. He’s not running, folks. Keep your eye on the ball.
capitalist piglet on October 6, 2008 at 4:40 PM
the other astroturfer? lorien. last post today was about how McCain’s “retarded” (yes, direct quote) and deserves to lose because he won’t go after Obama on Fannie/Freddie.
Right after that–poof! disappeared.
back to the mothership for further instruction
funky chicken on October 6, 2008 at 4:40 PM
yeah, plus Putin has sent bomber planes to Cuba and Venezuala recently for War Games stuff.
With the USA trending pansy, how we come out of this does not look good. Americans can’t even stand 4k in deaths over a 5 yr period in Iraq. The freaked out when Pat Robertson suggested Chavez should be whacked…which he was right. This country practically has a suicide wish
jp on October 6, 2008 at 4:42 PM
McCain voted for the Pig of a bailout! He could have said NO this won’t work! But being a Big Government Liberal he went along…so enjoy you idiot! Sarah Palin in 012!
sabbott on October 6, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Don’t be too sure. With a Democratic congress and a veto proof senate, a Democratic president, and the appointment of only one supreme court justice, there is no balance of power . . . in concept, yes but in fact, no. If you think it’s spooky now, wait until the this comes to pass
rplat on October 6, 2008 at 4:42 PM
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