McCain blasts Obama, Democrats for Fannie Mae meltdown
posted at 2:00 pm on October 6, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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We asked John McCain to take off the gloves — and he listened. In remarks McCain will deliver today, he blasts Democrats, including Barack Obama, for their market manipulations and defense of Fannie Mae against regulator warnings. He accuses all of them of encouraging corruption (emphases mine):
Our current economic crisis is a good case in point. What was his actual record in the years before the great economic crisis of our lifetimes?
This crisis started in our housing market in the form of subprime loans that were pushed on people who could not afford them. Bad mortgages were being backed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and it was only a matter of time before a contagion of unsustainable debt began to spread. This corruption was encouraged by Democrats in Congress, and abetted by Senator Obama.
Senator Obama has accused me of opposing regulation to avert this crisis. I guess he believes if a lie is big enough and repeated often enough it will be believed. But the truth is I was the one who called at the time for tighter restrictions on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that could have helped prevent this crisis from happening in the first place.
Senator Obama was silent on the regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and his Democratic allies in Congress opposed every effort to rein them in. As recently as September of last year he said that subprime loans had been, quote, “a good idea.” Well, Senator Obama, that “good idea” has now plunged this country into the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.
To hear him talk now, you’d think he’d always opposed the dangerous practices at these institutions. But there is absolutely nothing in his record to suggest he did. He was surely familiar with the people who were creating this problem. The executives of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have advised him, and he has taken their money for his campaign. He has received more money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac than any other senator in history, with the exception of the chairman of the committee overseeing them.
Did he ever talk to the executives at Fannie and Freddie about these reckless loans? Did he ever discuss with them the stronger oversight I proposed? If Senator Obama is such a champion of financial regulation, why didn’t he support these regulations that could have prevented this crisis in the first place? He won’t tell you, but you deserve an answer.
This is exactly what McCain must do to correct the record on this fiasco. Not only has Obama misrepresented this as a crisis of deregulation, but the record shows that Democrats like Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Gregory Meeks, Lacy Gray, and others opposed the regulators we already had when they tried to blow the whistle. As late as this summer, Democrats kept trying to tell the American voters that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were stable, when in fact they were collapsing.
More, please. Let’s see quotes from Democrats in ads, along with the bill for their social engineering. We need this for bigger reasons than a presidential election: we need to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
Update: Moe Lane at Red State has more thoughts, as does Jim Geraghty.
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McCain’s letting Obama have it … with the truth!
Go John!
darwin on October 6, 2008 at 3:35 PM
Sure thing…….just like Bullwinkle Obama has pushed his ideas.
My Bad, that was Racist
Old Hippie Vet on October 6, 2008 at 3:35 PM
Go John – going after Obama AND the Democrats.
Pianobuff on October 6, 2008 at 3:35 PM
Sarah on one side … John on the other.
Nail ‘em!
darwin on October 6, 2008 at 3:36 PM
Zero, Zippo, Nada in BO’s record per JM
Pianobuff on October 6, 2008 at 3:36 PM
For anyone who wants to listen to Sarah live . . .
http://www.winknewsradio.com/
Marybeth on October 6, 2008 at 3:36 PM
He looks really good. He’s hitting it out of the park.
Weight of Glory on October 6, 2008 at 3:36 PM
JM is bringing up F/F contributions and mentions Dodd too.
Pianobuff on October 6, 2008 at 3:37 PM
Obama MIA, HA!
Weight of Glory on October 6, 2008 at 3:37 PM
When pointing out that Obama was saying the SubPrimes were a good idea, McCain should add a Laugh line.
“A while ago, I commented that Economics might not be my strongest suit but I think its becoming increasingly clear that I still have my opponent and most of the Democrats beat there.”
OBQuiet on October 6, 2008 at 3:37 PM
McCain actually looks like he’s enjoying this a bit… like maybe he’s been waiting for this…
Pianobuff on October 6, 2008 at 3:38 PM
He’s changing his Jockeys at the moment.
That wasn’t Racists was it?
LOL
Old Hippie Vet on October 6, 2008 at 3:39 PM
Two points:
1) McCain needs to slam the Dems for their involvement, then propose corrective actions – addressing the flaws/corruptions of FM/FM, and raising the employment/wage numbers through energy independence, pointing out that energy sector jobs are usually above average pay.
2) He needs to point out that Sarah was not on the team when he said Obama’s church was off-limits, and since the press and others have gone through Sarah’s religious history with a scanning electron microscope, it’s only right for her to defend herself now and compare to Obama’s belief system. I can see her saying “Like Barack Obama, I evaluated my prospective church thoroughly before joining. All I will say is my church knows that America is imperfect, but loves it anyway, and strives to improve it. God BLESS America.”
Patrick S on October 6, 2008 at 3:40 PM
JM: Obama thinks taxes are too low, I think they’re too high.
Pianobuff on October 6, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Heh. This is a different McCain. And this is a good set up for the debate on Tues. Should be a good one.
Weight of Glory on October 6, 2008 at 3:40 PM
JM is now riffing on pork and spending…
Pianobuff on October 6, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Oh HELL YES.
Off to the post office to get that check to McCain Palin victory in the mail
funky chicken on October 6, 2008 at 3:41 PM
Patrick S…. JM has called out the Dems several times and Dodd at least one time specifically – it’s a start.
Pianobuff on October 6, 2008 at 3:41 PM
This is great. Keep bringing the heat, Mac.
Spirit of 1776 on October 6, 2008 at 3:41 PM
YES! Hit him with the donor fraud!!!
fossten on October 6, 2008 at 3:42 PM
JM is bringing up a BO pork request for a $3Million projector in a planetarium in Chicago for someone who promised to raise 200K for his campaign.
Pianobuff on October 6, 2008 at 3:42 PM
Wow! Hammering Obama on earmarks!
darwin on October 6, 2008 at 3:42 PM
Actually, he doesn’t have to say a word. If Sarah Palin brings up Jeremiah Wright and McCain gets hassled about it, your answer is perfect, of course
funky chicken on October 6, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Typically, Americans like to have a balance of power.
If Obama is elected President, the Democraticaly controlled Senate and House will block any investigation of this financial meltdown. Obama will work with them to achieve the biggest coverup in American history!
America needs to understand this!
Star20 on October 6, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Election fraud now is the topic. Illegal foreign funds from Palestinian donors… another 28k in illegal donations over the weekend. American people deserve answers…
Pianobuff on October 6, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Right when McCain started going after Obama on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac MSNBC cut to a commercial.
freedomplow on October 6, 2008 at 3:44 PM
But, but the Keating 5! waaaahhhh
Get behind this man and FIGHT AGAINST OBAMA.
funky chicken on October 6, 2008 at 3:44 PM
Fox commentator is remarking that JM is swinging for the fences and he may have it a couple over….
Pianobuff on October 6, 2008 at 3:44 PM
Cindy is too cute. She’s got her expressions going behind McCain.
Spirit of 1776 on October 6, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Go McCain, Go! Hit Obama with both barrels. It’s no time to hold back. They’ve been smearing you and blatantly lying about you and Gov. Palin for months; this is no Senate-style gentlemen’s game. Concepts like “honor” have no meaning to people like Obama and Axelrod. This is dirty Chicago-style politics — so go for the throat and make no apologies for it.
As for those who want a more “positive” message from McCain, it’s already there in his message: get the government out of places it does not belong (like interfering in free markets by trying to legislate “fairness” and forcing banks to make loans to people who can’t afford them; and like Obama’s plans to have the gov’t take over health care, “create” jobs, etc).
AZCoyote on October 6, 2008 at 3:47 PM
Man – just heard Mav in New Mexico – blistering – he knocked the cover off the ball. I think the worries about him holding back are over.
CK MacLeod on October 6, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Funny – The dem surrogate “just lost the satellite feed” on FNC.
Pianobuff on October 6, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Good Stuff!!! I needed this on a Monday Morning.
HawaiiLwyr on October 6, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Thanks for the radio link. I just caught the last 5 minutes or so.
AWESOME.
benjamin on October 6, 2008 at 3:49 PM
The timing was perfect. Give Bullwinkle a wedgie and not enough time to come up with a half assed answer. Well, his answer will be half assed but he has no choice. If he (Bullwinkle Obama0 dose not answer what McCain said he is toast…..if he dose try and answer it he is burnt toast because McCain will call him out and then pin his big ass ears back. There is no way he can win on this one.
Barry (Bullwinkle) better get some morning after pills…he’s going to need them.
Old Hippie Vet on October 6, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Obama campaign’s reaction just read on FNC – McCain’s angry and frustrated and doesn’t like regulation….
Pianobuff on October 6, 2008 at 3:50 PM
My friends, the Maverick has reengaged. That third debate on domestic issues may really come back to haunt Barry, eh?
ManlyRash, it’s nice to have you back! The thumb sucking whine crap did not suit you well at all.
Lock and load, hotheads. It’s gonna be brutal out there.
hump1201 on October 6, 2008 at 3:51 PM
The R surrogate is tying in lack of record into justification for line of attack. The D’s satellite feed is still down.
Pianobuff on October 6, 2008 at 3:51 PM
Anyone seen my shot glass?
Wyznowski on October 6, 2008 at 3:52 PM
If there is one area Obama knows something about it is ears.
highhopes on October 6, 2008 at 3:52 PM
Oh…my…gosh!!! That was dynamite! Keep talking like that, John and Sarah! The crowd was on fire! I like this approach although the MSM won’t like it and will target them harder. This morning all the conservative bloggers seemed to be disgusted with him and I wonder how you think this went over and is it enough or should he push harder. Do you think internal poll numbers are negative and this is his last desperate gasp or is this a possible winning strategy?
deedledee on October 6, 2008 at 3:52 PM
Both.
CK MacLeod on October 6, 2008 at 3:53 PM
It’s down? What a shame (chuckling as I return the Sawz-All to the wood shed)
ManlyRash on October 6, 2008 at 3:54 PM
LOL
I’m drinkin out of the bottle…don’t have time for a little glass.
I’m a pro.
LOL
Old Hippie Vet on October 6, 2008 at 3:54 PM
Woo Hoo! I’m guessing it was written by whoever wrote Sarah Palin’s rockin’ convention speech.
Buy Danish on October 6, 2008 at 3:54 PM
D surrogate on Fox: Obama warned about the subprime crisis two years ago.
Does anybody know when this was supposed to have occurred?
Pianobuff on October 6, 2008 at 3:55 PM
Aside from the standard issues all McCain/Palin have to do is promise reform. Both of them already have records that speak to this. This is their core positive statement. Real Change.
Pound it home that Obama and crew are just more of the same. Everything about Obama is so yesterday. From the earmarks to being on the take with Fannie and Aig just to name a few.
McCain should mock Obama’s “change” credo when in fact McCain has the only record of change and reform. Only McCain has actual bipartisan chops to get things done. He has a record, Obama has nothing. Just be relentless.
patrick neid on October 6, 2008 at 3:55 PM
I’m taking the booze through an IV. Don’t have time for digesting & metabolizing the alcohol.
ManlyRash on October 6, 2008 at 3:55 PM
McCain is duty bound to bring it, on the economic mess now that the Dems have placed the blame on free market, capitalism and the Republicans.
He was duty bound to look for a solution to a national crisis where the dems played politics from the floor of the House and Senate while the Repubs remained silent.
The Dems walked themselves out on that limb now it must be sawn off else the false accusations will do irreperable harm to the free market, capitalistic system and House and Senate Repubs.
He should begin the debate tomorrow by asking for the resignations of Frank and Dodd and the replacement of Pelosi and Reid. All partisan tools the first two of which were directly responsible for Fannie and Freddie and by association and inaction 0Bomba who is not qualified to lead a dog and pony show much less be POTUS.
dhunter on October 6, 2008 at 3:56 PM
It truly would be a “maverick” moment if McCain himself weren’t a member in good standing of the “club” for so long. My sense (backed up by Rasmussen’s poll over the weekend) is that the public is fed up with the whole lot of Congressmen and we are very close to a “throw the bums out” moment. Might work well for the GOP in Congress but not so much in the race for President.
highhopes on October 6, 2008 at 3:57 PM
LOL
You win.
LOL
Old Hippie Vet on October 6, 2008 at 3:58 PM
I seem to recall saying something about wait til the bailout vote is in, and THEN Obama’s gonna get hit hard from multiple directions. Looks suspiciously like that was a good prediction.
irongrampa on October 6, 2008 at 3:58 PM
I’d like to see proof of that too!
Bet they don’t have any . . . but why should that stop The One’s campaign talking points. If he says it, it must be so!
/
Marybeth on October 6, 2008 at 3:59 PM
Reading a JM speech on the floor of the Senate.
Spirit of 1776 on October 6, 2008 at 3:59 PM
Hey everyone……I just heard that Biden called Hilary and asked her if she wanted to take his place on the ticket.
Old Hippie Vet on October 6, 2008 at 3:59 PM
What I really like is the Obama Camp responding by accusing McCain of launching an “angry tirade.”
I wonder what percentage of Americans – especially American investors – are highly in favor of angry tirades at just this moment.
I’ll say it again – capturing, embodying, and channeling widespread anger is not something a candidate who wants to win, or for that matter to do some good, should be afraid of.
If he can keep this up – McCainmania!
PS – those of you with FNC on may have just seen a great 527 – Judicial Watch? – on Wright, Rezko, on Ayers. Tight as a drum and right on target. Hope they take this very wide.
CK MacLeod on October 6, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Is anyone asking whether Fannie and Freddie are still lending like
drunken sailorsdemocrats?sleepyhead on October 6, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Hey – pretty nice rally at the close…
CK MacLeod on October 6, 2008 at 4:01 PM
“Angry tirade?” With the amount of money I lost in the last couple of weeks, I want whoever is responsible for this financial mess to drawn and quartered, although as odd as Barney Frank is, he might enjoy it.
Star20 on October 6, 2008 at 4:04 PM
The Community Reinvestment Ac tis a federal law that requires banks and savings and loan associations to make loans throughout their entire market area and prohibits them from targeting only wealthier neighborhoods with their services. The Act was passed in 1977 under the Carter administration. That would be a democrat administration with democrats controlling both houses.
In early 1993 President Bill Clinton ordered new regulations for the CRA which would increase access to mortgage credit for inner city and distressed rural communities. The new rules went into effect on January 31, 1995 and featured: requiring strictly numerical assessments to get a satisfactory CRA rating; using federal home-loan data broken down by neighborhood, income group, and race; encouraging community groups to complain when banks were not loaning enough to specified neighborhood, income group, and race; allowing community groups that marketed loans to targeted groups to collect a fee from the banks. Prior to the CRA expansion authorization under President Clinton and the Democrats, home prices increased with inflation, but after the CRA expansion authorization, home prices became unhinged from inflation. The CRA caused home prices to rise too fast as economicfundamentals did not support the “wedge” or spread between the Consumer Price Index (CPI) and the price of homes. What supported the high home prices was regulation motivated credit.
Banks were forced to loan to consumers who were not credit worthy with “no verification of income or assets; little consideration of the applicant’s ability to make payments. The people losing their homes are victims not of ‘predatory lenders,’ but of government-sponsored — in fact government-mandated — political correctness. The Senate Banking Committee has estimated that, as a result of CRA, $9.5 billion so far has gone to pay for services and salaries of the nonprofit groups involved.” Activist organizations such as ACORN get shakedown payments, community influence and stature from being a reliable source for loan money and get what amount to “broker’s commissions” for doing so. Lending decisions were removed from bankers and handed over to activists as the activists were given a powerful seat at the table. ACORN in part, not banks alone, now controlled who got CRA mandated loans.
As the amount of subprime loans went up, and home prices increased, the country’s overall mortgage portfolio began to deteriorate and become inherently more risky. Bankers began making loans that were 90 percent, or even 100 percent of the value of the property. Appraisal firms were pressured to over-value properties, justifying a loan amount that would give the borrower the money he or she needed. Whether the borrower could afford the payments, or whether the real underlying value of the property justified the loan, were completely different matters. “Stated income” loans were made that merely required the borrower to tell the bank how much he or she made—no supporting documentation needed. Adjustable Rate Mortgages (ARMs) that initially required interest only payments enabled borrowers to qualify for bigger mortgages. Of course, when payments were adjusted upwards at a later date to provide for principal repayments or higher interest rates, they often became too high for the borrower, leading to payment defaults. And finally, so-called “Ninja” loans were made to borrowers with “no income, no jobs, and no assets.”
Because bankers could sell off loans to Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac or Wall Street underwriters anxious to underwrite MBS and CDOs, the bankers no longer had to live with the loans they had made. They could simply make the loans, collect the associated origination fees (the higher-risk loans typically carried the highest fees), and then pass on the responsibility for the future performance of the loans to others. By bundling a group of mortgages together, the risk of any one loan going bad was reduced, or so the theory went.
With so many risky new loans being made, though, it was only a matter of time before delinquency rates began to increase and real estate values to crack.
In 2003, the Bush Administration proposed a new agency to oversee and regulate Freddie Mac and Fanie Mae, (the government sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry) This would have been the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the S and L crisis a decade ago.
The Democrats stopped it…supporters of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae said efforts to regulate the lenders tightly under the proposed agency might diminish their ability to finance loans for lower-income families.
Barney Frank (D-MA)
“The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies (Freddie and Fannie), the less we will see in terms of “affordable housing.”
Melvin Watt (D-NC)
“…and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get “affordable housing.”
In 2005, John McCain warned of the pending mortgage collapse. He co-sponsored a bill…The Housing Enterprise Regulatory Act of 2005.
(Google it at http://www.govtrack.usBillS-190)
The bill would have regulated Fannie May and Freddie Mac, but again the Democrats blocked it and it never became law.
This is a democrat party problem pure and simple.
bestweather on October 6, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Hell….I got a buzz just from reading that. ~:|
Patrick S on October 6, 2008 at 4:06 PM
Hopefully more to come. At a PUMA site Buzz writes about Obama’s Kenya visit while a senator (Taxpayer funded trip) and his campaigning for cousin Odinga who sought to overthrow a pro American government. http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/page/2/
Comments include a link to Atlas Shrugged discussing Odinga’s memorandum of agreement with the Muslim leaders to
re-write Kenya’s constitution and implement Sharia law in a predominantly Christian country. If all of this represents true facts, I hope it comes out soon.
Pat in NC on October 6, 2008 at 4:07 PM
In case you missed it………….
DeMint Explains Opposition to $700-Billion Wall Street Bailout
Seven Percent Solution on October 6, 2008 at 4:10 PM
FINALLY! I’m just tired of having to use the equivalent of a cattle prod to get these blasted politicians moving in the right direction!
dominigan on October 6, 2008 at 4:10 PM
Well, if you were really manly, you would be using sherry enemas.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 6, 2008 at 4:11 PM
My brother-in-law’s cousin just made the national news at the Sarah Palin rally:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/06/politics/fromtheroad/entry4504484.shtml
Gotta phone my sister . . .
Marybeth on October 6, 2008 at 4:13 PM
Considering the mood of the country in regards to Congress, I would say angry tirade pretty much covers it.
Terrye on October 6, 2008 at 4:15 PM
when Enron, Tyco, Worldcom etc went sideways Democrats with the surrogates Jackson, Sharpton et al howled for heads and for people to be frog marched..
Now they are silent because those who’d be doing the frog march are advisors or key staff of/to Obama’s campaign..
theblacksheepwasright on October 6, 2008 at 4:16 PM
Provided you can do it with the right timing. If McCain’s strategy is to whip investors up into an angry frenzy, it seems a bit too early. Hard to keep people angry for almost a month.
highhopes on October 6, 2008 at 4:17 PM
Video link to speech here.
http://patriotroom.com/?p=2831
Bill Dupray on October 6, 2008 at 4:17 PM
Gee, where’s lorien?
McCain just did exactly what lorien was screaming about for the last several days, calling McCain retarded right before Ed posted the details on this new speech.
but then…poof! no more lorien.
I told you guys–Axelrod astroturfer
funky chicken on October 6, 2008 at 4:17 PM
Thanks Bill Dupray. I’ll send it to my mom
funky chicken on October 6, 2008 at 4:19 PM
On the phone with the campaing ;) Be patient, will be back.
Spirit of 1776 on October 6, 2008 at 4:20 PM
I’m glad you missed me, Funky.
I actually posted something on the other page saying something like “about f**king time”. Please feel free to check.
Sorry I can’t sit here 24 hours a day (only 18 ;) ) and post up comments; but I do have a business to run.
when I have time and I see the video, I’ll post more. But for now, I’ll say -again- about damn time!
lorien1973 on October 6, 2008 at 4:21 PM
I agree with the Palin campaign on this one. Obama’s middle name could be very offensive to certain terrorist victims and non-appeasers and should not be used in public. ;)
mike_NC9 on October 6, 2008 at 4:23 PM
Video of speech.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 6, 2008 at 4:25 PM
John McCain needs to put up the VIDEOS at his website of
1. Bush calling for MORE Fannie/Fred regulation
2. Greenspan warning of lack of Fannie Reg and possibility of total financial meltdown if Fannie/Fred go under
3. McCain calling for more Fannie/Fred regulation
4. Other Repubs calling for more regulation
5. Barney Frank saying Fannie is on “sound financial footing”.
6. Barney F saying in July of this year Fannie is playing such an important role in getting subprime loans, instead of more regulation “we should roll the dice”
7. The Demo Rep who told a government regulator he was “pissed off” this guy would appear before Congress and tell Congress it wasn’t doing its job
During his debate, McCain should reference all of the above, and invite America to verify what he is saying by watching the videos for themselves!
alwyr on October 6, 2008 at 4:27 PM
In conjunction with today’s comments,the McCain campaign should call for a full blown congressional investigation of Fannie and Freddie and say something like; “Who’s with me?”
It would be fun listening to the crickets on the Dem side of the aisle.
Star20 on October 6, 2008 at 4:27 PM
A preview of the debate tomorrow. Let the Maverick be the Maverick!
Mallard T. Drake on October 6, 2008 at 4:27 PM
Free John!
McLovin on October 6, 2008 at 4:29 PM
This is on Drudge!
Oh YESSSSS!
FiveWays on October 6, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Barack.
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Barack!
Sung to the tune of “Barbara Ann” by The Beach Boys.
Kafir on October 6, 2008 at 4:37 PM
Hey, this shoe fits!
DrSteve on October 6, 2008 at 4:41 PM
lorien, great. so what is going lose the election for McCain now?
funky chicken on October 6, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Stand up people!
Stand up for America!
You PUMAs too!
Let’s roll!
ex-Democrat on October 6, 2008 at 4:44 PM
LOL
funky chicken on October 6, 2008 at 4:44 PM
OBinden’s a liar too! HA
dhunter on October 6, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Thanks for that. When the dust settles, let’s make DeMint President.
He gets it.
NellE on October 6, 2008 at 4:46 PM
I was hoping to actually see the speech, but the link Dr.Cwac Cwac posted goes to some Peggy Noonan stuff.
Well,,, Anyway, I’m prepared to eat my words of a few days ago, IF he pounds this in the next debate and calls for the punishment of his Senate Fraternity Brothers and any House members who are responsible and who personally profited from it, or channeled profits to their friends and/or sexual partners (cough BarneyFranks cough).
LegendHasIt on October 6, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Let me see if I have this down. Obama has taken tens of thousands of dollars from a bankrupt institution that the dems engineered to fail. So part of the FM/FM bailout dollars, MY TAX DOLLARS, basically goes to pay back FM/FM the money they gave Obama. Since my tax dollars were basically given to Obama I figure Obama owes each taxpayer some cash.
I WANT MY MONEY BACK OBAMA!
If I ever meet the man in person I’m going to have to ask him for my money back. Cash only. No checks.
Guardian on October 6, 2008 at 4:55 PM
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