Video: Biden’s “overwhelming” win in the CNN focus group

posted at 12:00 pm on October 5, 2008 by Allahpundit

Via InstaGlenn, a little freeze-frame for you from Creative Minority Report’s video. The top is Greasy Joe, the bottom is the ‘Cuda. Count ’em yourself; the results are in line with most of the post-debate polls showing a Biden win but not by blowout margins. Soledad O’Brien’s verdict: “That looks overwhelming.”

Apparently there were 32 people in the group, meaning at least a few are out of frame. Maybe they all broke blue?



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McCain. Fannie Mae. Freddie Mac. Do it. Or Lose.

lorien1973 on October 5, 2008 at 12:05 PM

Wow, I’m totally shocked.

/riiiiiight.

It's Vintage, Duh on October 5, 2008 at 12:05 PM

Did they gather this ‘Focus Group’ at Obama’s local headquarters??

BigWyo on October 5, 2008 at 12:06 PM

Maybe she was overwhelmed that some in the audience didn’t vote how they had been told to vote.

JadeNYU on October 5, 2008 at 12:07 PM

only reason anyone would think Biden won, is if they are highly ingorant(thanks MSM) of the issues.

its pathetic can’t get any debate questions on Energy, so Palin had to just ignore questions and talk about it herself

jp on October 5, 2008 at 12:07 PM

Just telling the story they want you to know…

Facts are immaterial.

Proof is in the Rasmussen poll, in which they polled 1000 voters, only 58% of whom watched the whole debate, but still blasted the Poll as a Biden win… why? Because the MSM did not cover his lies… and told the public he won.

Romeo13 on October 5, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Must be dat knew mathematics

EricPWJohnson on October 5, 2008 at 12:08 PM

In Luisiana thats cajun politics

Huey Long would be proud

EricPWJohnson on October 5, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Why would any intelligent person watch CNN?

Waste of time

iam7545 on October 5, 2008 at 12:10 PM

I really thank CNN for deciding all of this for me, I am just simply too stupid to think on my own.

I am extremely glad for CNN’s condescension, without it< i just might not know what to think.

God, thank you for CNN!

benrand on October 5, 2008 at 12:11 PM

I think she was including the CNN staff for Biden.

BJ on October 5, 2008 at 12:13 PM

None of this matters. In the end, when voters are in the booth, they will realize that O. Hussein is not electable. He cannot be trusted. He’s an empty suit. They don’t know ANYTHING about the guy. Only the drugged out, commune living, liberal-guilt-ridden, or true-believing socialists would feel comfortable voting for him.

And don’t forget, Dems know where blacks belong: in the slums where they put them! Great Society Dems would never actually vote for a black president. They feel blacks are their children to be protected, so Dems can be entertained by their tapdancing, singing, and sports, and to occasionally deliver their drugs to their soirees.

stonemeister on October 5, 2008 at 12:13 PM

There are twenty seven people showing, meaning only five were not seen; even if they all went for Biden it was no blowout.

These crackhead media whores, they really are trying to create a new Soviet Union here.

Bishop on October 5, 2008 at 12:13 PM

I think she was including the CNN staff for Biden.
BJ on October 5, 2008 at 12:13 PM

+2 :-)

Bishop on October 5, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Why’d she even look back to pretend to count? The script probably had stage directions (“look back”) I guess.

Marcus on October 5, 2008 at 12:15 PM

Isn’t 13 to 11 “overwhelming”?

Oh it’s not? Well that doesn’t fit the outline of discussion they prepared before the debate, so to heck with it.

forest on October 5, 2008 at 12:16 PM

Please . . . it’s CNN. Since when does anybody believe that anti American, left wing propaganda machine. They’re in the tank for Obama and would have conjured up a Biden win even if they had to lie about the outcome. God lord, this is the same network that was pulling for Saddam during the initial phases of our attack (remember that ass Nic Robertson). They are the enemy and should be treated as such.

rplat on October 5, 2008 at 12:17 PM

liberal math…

deedtrader on October 5, 2008 at 12:18 PM

Top screen: Who wants to have sex with me?
Bottom screen: Who would rather die?

Looks pretty even to me….sorry sweetie.

Healing you will feel!

dmann on October 5, 2008 at 12:18 PM

That’s certainly enough to make me ignore the evidence of my own eyes and ears. And it beats actually looking at what he said and determining if the percentage of it that was true hit the double digits.

Jim Treacher on October 5, 2008 at 12:19 PM

Soledad Brothers, according to Wikipedia: “The Soledad Brothers were three inmates at San Quentin State Prison charged with the murder of guard John V. Mills in 1970. George Jackson, Fleeta Drumgo and John Clutchette were said to have murdered Mills in retaliation for the killing of three black prisoners by a guard, O.G. Miller, at Soledad prison in California.

Activist and author Angela Davis took up the cause of the Soledad Brothers after reading about the case in February 1970, and became the chair of their defense committee.”

I wonder who Soledad O’Brien was named after. If her parent(s) were fans of Angela Davis in 1970, then the woman was born braindead as well as being raised math-challenged, unable to count, and never having met a guilty black person. In other words, a perfect MSM “journalist”.

NahnCee on October 5, 2008 at 12:26 PM

So when McCain-Palin win the general, say 50-49, it’ll be an “overwhelming” win right, CNN?

SouthernGent on October 5, 2008 at 12:27 PM

CNN: “Good evening, this is Soledad O’Brien bringing you breaking news that every Republican candidate has been abducted by aliens. That’s right … there are no more Republican candidates so on November 4th don’t waste your vote, give it to Hope and Change.”

darwin on October 5, 2008 at 12:29 PM

darwin on October 5, 2008 at 12:29 PM

lol i can see it with hardly any imagining, and she could do it with a straight face too i bet…

trailortrash on October 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM

By 2010 the print media will be going belly up and the networks in the ICU. I wonder what the Dems bailout package for MSM will look like? Surely it will have to contain congressional oversite, have a government agency of 10k content verification professionals, and an embossed seal of approval on their business license.

Limerick on October 5, 2008 at 12:34 PM

I love how all the lefty nets are trying (and failing) to copy Luntz.

malan89 on October 5, 2008 at 12:36 PM

McCain. Fannie Mae. Freddie Mac. Do it. Or Lose.

lorien1973 on October 5, 2008 at 12:05 PM

I echo this sentiment.

Check out the bailout T-shirts.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/05/dude-wheres-my-bailout/

BuckeyeSam on October 5, 2008 at 12:36 PM

I love how all the lefty nets are trying (and failing) to copy Luntz.

malan89 on October 5, 2008 at 12:36 PM

Yes, but Luntz doesn’t count himself in the totals–times 10.

BuckeyeSam on October 5, 2008 at 12:38 PM

My own informal poll results say Palin kicked so much crap out of Biden, he can start his own fertilizer business (but no bail-outs if it fails).

whitetop on October 5, 2008 at 12:40 PM

No surprise.
CNN is in the tank for Obona.

HotAirJosef on October 5, 2008 at 12:42 PM

Glenn hit the nail on the head–it was in the script.

malan89 on October 5, 2008 at 12:43 PM

BuckeyeSam on October 5, 2008 at 12:36 PM

Everyone needs to email the mccain campaign with that simple thought.

McCain. Fannie Mae. Freddie Mac. Do it. Or Lose.

http://www.johnmccain.com/Contact/

Come on guys, start sending emails.

lorien1973 on October 5, 2008 at 12:47 PM

McCain. Fannie Mae. Freddie Mac. Do it. Or Lose.

We get it. We understand your opinion.

Jim Treacher on October 5, 2008 at 12:49 PM

Lorien is right – and this should have been pounded already.

I think they need to hang a nickname on Bambi and work it non-stop. Something like ‘Fanny Mae’s Go-To-Guy in Washington’, or the ‘Freddie Mac’s Guy’. Find a catchy, suggestive nickname and make Bambi wear it as he rightfully should.

rigdown on October 5, 2008 at 12:56 PM

Guy in the front just to the left of center voted both ways!

billhedrick on October 5, 2008 at 12:57 PM

Done. This needs to go viral. Any other Freepers reading this? Townhall? Hugh? Reynolds? Ace? lgf? Let’s all spread the truth.

This is a 100 mph sinking fastball to close the game. Pitched by a woman.

horatio on October 5, 2008 at 12:57 PM

If it was that close with a group pf people CNN rounded up, can you imagine what it was really like out here in the real America?

thekingtut on October 5, 2008 at 1:11 PM

Just today I read in my local paper some lib crying that there was no media bias towards Obama…what an idiot. I can imagine pictures of Obama going up on billboards and walls if he is elected just like you see of Sadam Hussain before the second war in Iraq. I can not understand the blind acceptance of this man.

mindhacker on October 5, 2008 at 1:21 PM

Didn’t the Luntz focus group have Sarah Palin winning in a landslide?

One thing about it, when a guy like Joe Biden can lie his tail off in a debate, it makes it easier for him to win.

Terrye on October 5, 2008 at 1:24 PM

billhedrick on October 5, 2008 at 12:57 PM
One hand is black gal next to him other is his.

I hope this is not how the votes are counted on election night!

dhunter on October 5, 2008 at 1:26 PM

Soledad Brothers, according to Wikipedia: “The Soledad Brothers were three inmates at San Quentin State Prison charged with the murder of guard John V. Mills in 1970. George Jackson, Fleeta Drumgo and John Clutchette were said to have murdered Mills in retaliation for the killing of three black prisoners by a guard, O.G. Miller, at Soledad prison in California.

Activist and author Angela Davis took up the cause of the Soledad Brothers after reading about the case in February 1970, and became the chair of their defense committee.”

I wonder who Soledad O’Brien was named after. If her parent(s) were fans of Angela Davis in 1970, then the woman was born braindead as well as being raised math-challenged, unable to count, and never having met a guilty black person. In other words, a perfect MSM “journalist”.

NahnCee on October 5, 2008 at 12:26 PM

now, now, be nice :-0

on second thought, don’t! she doesn’t deserve it.

funky chicken on October 5, 2008 at 1:31 PM

“”PERCEPTION/DECEPTION””

The Liberals are planted,and stacked!

This manufactured ongoing MSM in the tank for Obama
is exactly the same thing as Baghdad Bob,lookin at
M1 Abrams tanks in his city,

and no different than a Liberal ‘BaghdadBob’ saying it
was Biden who won the debate!!

canopfor on October 5, 2008 at 1:36 PM

I don’t get it…just because you can’t see them doesn’t change anything

tomas on October 5, 2008 at 1:37 PM

This is standard CNN mathematics.

Sept. 2000, Wolf Blitzer describing the kick-off announcement of Republican governors starting a national tour on behalf of Governor G. W. Bush: “(fill in his adjective) Republican governors have announced today a new initiative…”

At the time there were 30 Rep. governors, with G. W. being one of them. Therefore, only 29 other than Bush could have been at the announcement. One had a family obligation, so only 28 out of the possible 29 were there.

Guess what adjective Blitz used to describe the fraction 28/29??

All.

Almost all.

Most.

A majority.

Half.

Almost half.

A few.

A handful.

None.

Those who guessed ‘handful’ get to hoist their pint.

fred5678 on October 5, 2008 at 1:42 PM

You guys got it wrong. It was 15-14 Palin. I sent you guys a picture at the tips e-mail with a photo analysis.

On the Palin supporters, you’ve forgotten the lady being obscured by Soledad, the person in the bottom right of the screen, and the guy in the white shirt in the back left of the screen.

For Biden, you’ve forgotten the lady sitting directly above Soledad’s head.

15-14 in Palin’s favor, not counting the 3 people who are not visible on the screen.

Seixon on October 5, 2008 at 1:44 PM

I JUST GOT THIS EMAIL: “Republican National Committee (RNC) Chief Counsel Sean Cairncross will announce today a complaint that the RNC is filing with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) against the Obama campaign. The complaint will address foreign national and excessive contributions accepted by the Obama campaign that demonstrate it is operating outside of federal campaign finance law.”

That’s all the detail there is, and I can’t do the 1 pm conference call they’re announcing, but I assume it’s about this kind of thing. And this?

posted at 12:29 PM by Glenn Reynolds

funky chicken on October 5, 2008 at 1:44 PM

People voting via a show-of-hands in public is not the same as voting in private in the voting booth on November 4th.

I would advise not standing any where in the vicinity of groups of liberals, late on November 4th or any time on November 5th. The brute force of collective exploding heads could be detrimental to your health. The shrapnel from iPods and cell phones will be the most dangerous.

Yoop on October 5, 2008 at 1:47 PM

CNN campaigning in Ohio.

reaganaut on October 5, 2008 at 1:49 PM

Overwhelming.

Kensington on October 5, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Apparently there were 32 people in the group, meaning at least a few are out of frame. Maybe they all broke blue?

I could at least 25 in the picture. Even if seven others voted Biden, “overwhelming” is still a stretch. especially considering the undecideds.

Nice try, AP.

Tommygun on October 5, 2008 at 2:04 PM

Who cares about this one piss-ant poll? Does it bother anyone else that Obama dominates like every single poll except a few a month ago? Even George Bush was winning some polls at this time 4 years ago and he was the debbil to the MoveOntards.

Speedwagon82 on October 5, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Counting show of hands: you’re doing it wrong!

15-14 Palin. AllahPundit, you’ve got mail. Seriously. Check it.

Seixon on October 5, 2008 at 2:25 PM

THE RACIST DOMINANCE OF WESTERN MATHEMATICS WILL NO LONGER BE ALLOWED TO STEAL OUR THOUGHTS AS INDEPENDENT AND FREETHINKING THINKERS!!!!! THE MOTHER BIRD OF MENTAL FREEDOM HAS FLOWN AND WILL TAKE US TO THE PROMISED LAND!

13 OVER 11 is an OVERWHELMING margin. I don’t care what your racist textbooks say. Those textbooks sure do leave out a lot of other viewpoints concerning math. I wonder who wrote them??? yeah….

Metro on October 5, 2008 at 2:27 PM

Don’t be so hard on Soledad. Lots of girls are bad at math.

Kensington on October 5, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Ummmmmmmmmmm, this sort of Stuff by the media and in-the-tank polling groups is serious, and consequential

Polling studies for the past fifty years–since nationwide political polls began in the 1950s–show that 1 ouf of 6 voters ( FIFTEEN PERCENT ) have no issue content whatever in how they describe their voting decision

Some of these vote for emotional and personal reasons, including the sound of the candidates’ voices or how they look. But some of this FIFTEEN PERCENT vote for who they think will win. They want to ‘go with the winner’–“go with the flow” if you’re a left-over hippie

Advertisers have know this, because nationwide consumer product polling also began in the 1950s. Some people will buy a product because others are buying it.

That’s why there are so many “4 out of 5 dentists agree” type ads

The media, working in tandem with Obama-drones, are succeeding in creating the ‘reality’ that Obama is going to win, and that will cause some people–more than a few–to vote for B Hussein Obama on that basis

Janos Hunyadi on October 5, 2008 at 2:51 PM

The left is already prepping its minions on the upcoming “character assassination” plot of Team McCain. Since when has pointing out actual relationships and facts as Character Assassination? More like Character DEFINITION.

I’ve started a small, homegrown series of videos on Obama, please spread the word:

Barack’s Endorsers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wIr9qSWKlw

Barack’s Influences: Obama’s Father
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMGyFREA_2s

Barack’s Influences: Frank Marshall Davis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tddfiG70pQ0

More to come…

cannonball on October 5, 2008 at 3:09 PM

CNN, New York Times… before long you quickly learn what channels to avoid, what papers to never buy.

T J Green on October 5, 2008 at 3:20 PM

Now let’s all sing the “All Praise Chairman Obama” song…

profitsbeard on October 5, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Fraud!

JellyToast on October 5, 2008 at 4:32 PM

This is exactly why polls mean nothing to me.

Griz on October 5, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Already, however, your problem is bias, and those that are not being counted.

I know that doing survey’s irritates everyone. I do this as a living, but everytime one of you is not doing a survey when asked, you become a voice not heard from, and they can only go with those that actually answer.

so you have this group that knows that they are there for the left leaning CNN. They can dance around it all they want, but even the most honest liberal will have to admit that is where the cookie is crumbling and perceived by the American public in general. You are asking for a show of hands. The average person, when faced with that already biased situation is going to want to “please” the questioning group. They will raise their hands, in far greater numbers, to where they perceive that bias to come from.

Biden LIED too many times during that debate to even begin to claim he “won” anything.

Something is going on with Polling. I wish I knew what, but I know the numbers are no more correct than they were a few years ago for the last election, and for four years before that even.

Something is off with the method, but I don’t know what. Something never adds up at the end of the day.

Noelie on October 5, 2008 at 4:49 PM


You missed one more morePalin vote!!! The person on the right with a lime jacket on is also a Palin supporter . . she raises her hand for Palin if you look at the videotape carefully

MitchFlorida on October 5, 2008 at 5:09 PM

I was on a Holland America Cruise ship 9/21 to 9/28 up in Alaska and dayum, it ONLY had CNN. I thought I was in HELL for a week. Especially trying to discern the truth on the bailout, etc. Sigh.

karenhasfreedom on October 5, 2008 at 5:57 PM

They feel blacks are their children pets to be protected, so Dems can be entertained by their tapdancing, singing, and sports, and to occasionally deliver their drugs to their soirees.

stonemeister on October 5, 2008 at 12:13 PM

Good quote, now just a little bit better.

Squiggy on October 5, 2008 at 7:51 PM

They feel blacks are their children slaves to be protected, so Dems can be entertained by their tapdancing, singing, and sports, and to occasionally deliver their drugs to their soirees.

stonemeister on October 5, 2008 at 12:13 PM

Now it’s best.

Squiggy on October 5, 2008 at 7:54 PM

pfft, who else could it have been? Its CNN.

johnnyU on October 5, 2008 at 9:00 PM

The posters here don’t understand. CNN discounted the racist votes of the group, i.e. all the ones that didn’t vote for the Obamanation. Once those evildoers were obliterated down the memory hole, it became obvious that Joe Biden won overwhelmingly. You would have to be racist to think Biden or Obama could lose to Palin or McCain.

eaglewingz08 on October 5, 2008 at 9:07 PM

CNN has moved to challenge their only competitor for last place among cable news outfits – MSNBC. All of The Queer Channel’s success seems to come at the expense of CNN, so they have moved profoundly left on the election.

Duelling for the sewer! Good luck, girls!

Jaibones on October 5, 2008 at 9:48 PM

I saw this when it happened. It was hysterical. Remember when we all laughed at Baghdad Bob? “Oh, those funny countries……..”

Just the beginning, folks.

LibTired on October 5, 2008 at 10:05 PM

You guys apparently didn’t hear the entire audio portion of the tape:

How many people think Joe Biden won? (Wow, our bias is completely) overwhelming. How many people think Sarah Palin won? So Joe Biden wins (and our credibility gap has increased) by a significant margin.”

Texas Rainmaker on October 5, 2008 at 10:51 PM

Watching the video and the vote I observe that there were only two people who need to have their opinion changed and if they are really the force for change it should easy.

MSGTAS on October 6, 2008 at 9:32 AM

“Overwhelming”–13 to 11 among those who raised thair hands = 54 to 46%. Frank Luntz’ focus group on Fox had a much bigger margin for Palin. On the Drudge site, which is read by both liberals and conservatives, they had Palin 73% Biden 25% with over 120,000 votes. FoxNews’ interactive poll had Palin 82% Biden 16% the night of the debate. CBS had about a 15% margin for Biden, with lots of undecided.

Ratings show that nearly 70 million people watched the VP debate, between the alphabet networks, FX, PBS, and the cable networks FoxNews, CNN, and MSNBC. How many of those viewers watched the debate, then turned off the TV without watching the post-debate spin, which was pro-Palin on Fox News and pro-Biden everywhere else? How many of those who watched the debate, and were probably impressed by Palin, never saw the Katie Couric interview? And we’re supposed to be “overwhelmed” by a two-vote margin for Biden on CNN? What is the silent majority in flyover country thinking?

Steve Z on October 6, 2008 at 11:03 AM

Something is going on with Polling. I wish I knew what, but I know the numbers are no more correct than they were a few years ago for the last election, and for four years before that even.

Something is off with the method, but I don’t know what. Something never adds up at the end of the day.

There’s an interesting post on AJ Strata’s website strata-sphere.com/blog, which talks about internals of most of the major polls breaking for McCain (white women, independents), yet polling samples seem to be increasingly skewed toward Democrats.

He points to another website (can’t give a link here from work) which analyzes the poll internals and applies them to the ratios of Democrat, Republican, and independent voters who actually showed up at the polls in 2006, which gave Democrats control of Congress. This calculation showed McCain slightly ahead as of September 28 (before the debates).

It is possible that the polls showing Obama leading are based on skewed samples which do not represent the voters who will actually show up on Election Day. With the crowds that are attending Sarah Palin’s rallies, it is likely that the Republican base will turn out in greater numbers than in 2006, and if enough Independents are afraid of Obama, they could put McCain over the top.

Steve Z on October 6, 2008 at 11:20 AM