Ifill: Palin “blew me off” during the debate
posted at 5:48 pm on October 5, 2008 by Allahpundit
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And there wasn’t a blessed thing she could do about it — except maybe say, “Governor, with all due respect, you haven’t addressed my question.” Why didn’t she?
Full transcript here. Some interesting comments from Peggy Noonan about Palin’s brand of identity-politics populism, too.
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Palin’s a quick study. Her flaw with Charlie and Katie was she let their questions frame and limit her answers, just as most of us would do. But in this debate, naivete’ was gone and she answered questions like the rest of the pols: The question is used as the platform for the message you need to convey. She had learned the lesson and executed it well.
petefrt on October 5, 2008 at 6:38 PM
Just me being me, better or worse. I do love it here and couldn’t ask for better company. The folks here are some of the finest people I have ever encountered in my travels.
Except for the trolls and mobys, of course. They alternately suck and blow – and I don’t mean eggs and cocaine.
ManlyRash on October 5, 2008 at 6:39 PM
How dare she speak directly to the people!
- The Cat
MirCat on October 5, 2008 at 6:39 PM
Can you imagine the MSM’s response if Palin, rather than Biden, had made all those nutty assertions about Lebanon and Hezbollah that completely misrepresented recent history in the Middle East? They’d have been calling her an idiot and a fool and saying that she was dangerously misinformed and too ignorant to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.(And yes, I know they’ve already done that, but with much less evidence to back it up than what Biden provided during the debate).
But since it was Biden demonstrating his massive ignorance, nobody in the MSM thinks it’s even worth mentioning. This, despite the fact that Obama (who has already demonstrated his own lack of knowledge on foreign policy in a variety of situations) chose Biden precisely because Biden was supposedly so knowledgeable about foreign affairs. But the MSM sees no reason to point any of this out to voters.
AZCoyote on October 5, 2008 at 6:40 PM
TexasJew on October 5, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Good point; let’s hope that day doesn’t actually become necessary.
The good news here in Montana; McCain/Palin have held a double digit lead now for the past 3-4 weeks. This lead is growing rather than shrinking. Obama seems to have pulled his ads out of this state, or at least cut way back. All incumbent Democrats are in trouble here with the lone exception of Max Baucus.
Keemo on October 5, 2008 at 6:42 PM
Um, I thought the moderators were chosen by some independent commission. And Ifill chose to not reveal her book project at the time of her selection.
Again, why the knee-jerk attempt to blame the McCain campaign for something they didn’t do?
funky chicken on October 5, 2008 at 6:43 PM
why does anyone listen to biden. He is the one who wanted to partion Iraq, when ALL Iraqi’s said that was a bad move! that would have killed thousands of civilians and hundreds of ours.
He cant even defend Obamas “air-raiding villages” comment. So we just bombed and killed a top leader of the taliban today, does Obama think that is a victory for the war on terror? Or have we just “air-raided” another village?
OriginalPechangas_son on October 5, 2008 at 6:45 PM
ManlyRash on October 5, 2008 at 6:39 PM
Ditto’s friend. If you ever come to Montana for a visit, or a hunt, or just need to do some trophy trout fishing; we must hook up and have a BBQ while trashing the likes of Shipley and all other Liberal trolls that frequent these waters.
Keemo on October 5, 2008 at 6:45 PM
LG did the negotiation for the debates. It’s a fact, yo’.
Spirit of 1776 on October 5, 2008 at 6:46 PM
Me too. HA is my ‘Cheers’.
petefrt on October 5, 2008 at 6:48 PM
I want in on that there. What’s the limit on troll, uh, trout?
Patrick S on October 5, 2008 at 6:48 PM
Ifill = petty bitch
Griz on October 5, 2008 at 6:49 PM
ifill = petty b_itch
Griz on October 5, 2008 at 6:49 PM
Jeesh! In the world adults live in, the holder of the conflict is the one who is under a duty to reveal it. If you were on trial for you life and the judge and the cop testifying against you are boinking each other, is it your duty to find out? Or, is it the duty of the judge to recuse himself?
Blake on October 5, 2008 at 6:49 PM
So if I’m understanding correctly, Biden was there to not be a jerk, Palin was there to bypass the LSM, and Ifill stayed out of the way to avoid any obvious criticism over her conflict of interest.
Not exactly a debate, was it? Just “Fairness Doctrine: the Next Generation” – roughly equal time, trading off between Joe’s “substantive” lies about Bush and Sarah’s eph-all-yall zingers about the LSM and O’Biden. All while Ifill sat there bein’ all irrelevant and stuff.
I propose we do a lot more of that. It’s the best format the GOP ever had.
sulla on October 5, 2008 at 6:50 PM
Trolls? no limit, they regenerate ya know…
Trout? different story.
Romeo13 on October 5, 2008 at 6:55 PM
Blew you off, Gwen?
She’d have punched you in the fuckin’ nose if it wasn’t buried in Barry’s crotch.
BacaDog on October 5, 2008 at 6:56 PM
Patrick S on October 5, 2008 at 6:48 PM
You’re in Patrick! We’ll get Captain Ed here and have a Captains Quarters reunion right here on the Yellowstone River (which happens to be 100′ out my front door).
Keemo on October 5, 2008 at 6:57 PM
The panel on Brit Hume was talking about the moderators for the debates and they said that the campaigns do not pick the moderators. They said that used to there would be negotiations and some input from candidates, but now the debate commission just makes the decisions and notifies the candidates.
In the last election Ifill did a pretty good job with the Bush and Kerry debate she moderated, but she did not let anyone know about her book when the debates were being discussed.
Terrye on October 5, 2008 at 6:58 PM
I think Palin decided after her interviews with Gibson and Katie that she was going to do it her way, and I am glad she did.
As for Biden, I think people just assume that half of what he says is nonsense. That is why the guy keeps running for president and getting nowhere.
Terrye on October 5, 2008 at 7:00 PM
“We had the deck stacked with Gwen Obama Ifill as moderator, we told her beforehand no talking directly to the American people just answer Gwen’s questions slavishly, and most of all, don’t be personable and try to appeal to normal Americans, and wouldn’t oyu know it, that racist just did what she wanted to do and blew us off is, I think, the term.”
Akzed on October 5, 2008 at 7:01 PM
I think Gov. Palin’s message was that the mainstream liberal media is irrelevant. Miss Ifill will have to live with the ignominy.
Zorro on October 5, 2008 at 7:01 PM
eh, go finish your freakin book.
johnnyU on October 5, 2008 at 7:01 PM
Ido love it here and couldn’t ask for better company.
ManlyRash on October 5, 2008 at 6:39 PM
Bullshit, you’re here looking for members for your secessionist society, draining away potential recruits for MY ‘Desert Oil Rig Complex’ (DORC) where I plan to survive the downfall of civilization.
Don’t listen to him, people, at my facility you get to operate flamethrowers and siege crossbows.
Bishop on October 5, 2008 at 7:02 PM
Good for Palin. Ifill should not have been asking the questions anyway. She has a direct financial interest in an Obama victory. She should be hauled out on the mat for withholding this critical fact.
argos on October 5, 2008 at 7:03 PM
Yes, Gwen, being portrayed by Queen Latifa is flattering to you, but there are few women on this Earth that can say that.
TheSitRep on October 5, 2008 at 7:05 PM
Iowahawk nailed it: “Ifil ethics commission clears Ifil”
…except that the commission also inculdes Brokaw and Gregory in addition to Matthews and Olberman.
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The other clip from today’s MTP includes Ifil’s lame self-defense
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Listen to how many times she says “they” and know exactly who she’s talking about. Her bias is disgusting and her pretending not to be is even worse.
dont taze me bro on October 5, 2008 at 7:06 PM
Back off, hippie. Sealand is MINE.
We have routers, firewalls, and spam blockers. And cookies.
sulla on October 5, 2008 at 7:07 PM
I asume Palin was there to communicate with us, not with Ifill
If Ifill needs more details she could write a letter.
As it is, Ifill got a lot more time to buzz Palin than I ever will. If Palin gave bad answers that will not be lost on the public
A debate is not about the moderator. Had Ifill let it be a debate instead of a staged two sided interview it would have been a lot more interesting and a lot more informative
entagor on October 5, 2008 at 7:07 PM
In that case, I guess I’m a combination of three characters: insufferable know-it-all Cliff Klavin, endearingly pompous Frasier Crane and vitriolically nasty Carla Tortelli – with a bit of Sam Malone’s lechery thrown in for good measure.
My favorite – and everyone’s of course – is Norm Peterson.
Woody: How’s it going, Mr. Peterson?
Norm: It’s a dog-eat-dog world, Woody…and I’m wearing Milk-Bone underwear.
Woody: What’s up, Mr. Peterson?
Norm: My nipples, Woody. It’s freezing out there.
ManlyRash on October 5, 2008 at 7:07 PM
If I may quote Cosmo Kramer: G-g-g-g-g-g-g-gidyup.
ManlyRash on October 5, 2008 at 7:08 PM
It’s really offensive the way Gwen Ifill behaves as though she was somehow a victim here. It saddens me that Tom Brokaw played into that by sympathetically saying she just had to “keep her head high”. This was a clear conflict of interest. It didn’t matter what she wrote or to what extent she featured Sen. Obama – his name was in the title, it was timed to go on sale inauguration day, and there was clearly an intention to capitalize on him if he were elected. This meant there was a financial interest involved. The media would rightly complain if anyone else decided to consider his/her conflict of interest irrelevant.
Jill1066 on October 5, 2008 at 7:10 PM
Bravo! *clapping hands*
Well said.
franksalterego on October 5, 2008 at 7:13 PM
Minor correction to the bottom line…
Biden “blew off” attacking Palin, so Ifill was rendered impotent. If Biden would have actually tried to debate Palin (and not the tired “last 8 years” crap), then Ifill could have steered more forcefully.
So… Good job, Joe. :)
Mark_Tampa on October 5, 2008 at 7:14 PM
The press meets the press.
These people sure are full of themselves.
reaganaut on October 5, 2008 at 7:16 PM
They’r full of something else, too. Piled high and deep.
Del Dolemonte on October 5, 2008 at 7:23 PM
I think rejection of Senator Obama is racist.
philnewkirk on October 5, 2008 at 7:23 PM
Maybe Palin started a new trend in America when she didn’t fawn all over Ifill. I sure hope so. All that bowing and scraping is getting annoying.
UnEasyRider on October 5, 2008 at 7:25 PM
As Palin told Carl Carmeron the day after the debate, the press has the duty to tell the American people the truth. Palin took advantage of her opportunity at the debate.
It’s too bad that she didn’t come to that conclusion earlier, before the Gibson interview.
Steve Z on October 5, 2008 at 7:27 PM
NBC=Obama war room.
jgapinoy on October 5, 2008 at 7:31 PM
After lurking here ever since Cap’n Ed came aboard, I started posting to commiserate with other FredHeads and finally became addicted to this site. You, Mr. Rash, are one of my favorite commentators here — thoughtful and thought-provoking, wrily amusing in a world weary sort of way.
I second your Buckley recommendation. My mother raised me on National Review, which I read from a young age with a dictionary at my side, and Firing Line. I literally went from Dr. Seuss to the verses of William von Dreele.
Krauthammer, Sowell, Steyn, Will and Hitchens are gifted writers and thinkers, but there is no real successor to Buckley and it’s our great loss.
Terrie on October 5, 2008 at 7:31 PM
Ahahahah…now you’re just trying to make us laugh, Phil. Funny stuff!
capitalist piglet on October 5, 2008 at 7:32 PM
Awful Ifill is such a troll. And Gregory is just a plain old fashioned a-hole. Brokaw – a doddering old fool. NBC – irrelevant to real Americans. Never ever tell a pollster you watched ABC, NC, CBS, or CNN and of course not PMSNBC.
bill30097 on October 5, 2008 at 7:34 PM
She could have but it would have been completely pointless. 2 things would have happened. First, Palin would say again (after staring into space blankly for a few seconds) that she wasn’t going to answer the way Ifill and Biden want her to and that she was speaking directly to the American people (who apparently don’t want to her to answer simple policy questions). Second, there would be incessant whining about Ifill being biased for daring to ask Palin to answer a question. It would have been completely pointless to ask for a follow up the way Palin was filibustering.
How is Ifill racist? For a group which whines about the left smearing everyone as racist conservatives sure seem to well….smear everyone as a racist.
crr6 on October 5, 2008 at 7:37 PM
Oh my. LOL gasp LOL
funky chicken on October 5, 2008 at 7:37 PM
Keemo, with the Yellowstone River….now you’re just bragging, and hurting my self esteem. Or something.
Do you have horses?
funky chicken on October 5, 2008 at 7:38 PM
A lot of whining about Gov. Palin unsupported by much of anything but their own fears and personal demons. The dinosaur media is turning into the id of a few “reporters” and suits.
snaggletoothie on October 5, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Yep. Notice that Obama called McCain “erratic” and it was the number 1 repeated word on the sunday morning shows.
Quite a coincidence.
lorien1973 on October 5, 2008 at 7:39 PM
Jerry Lewis once said the best comedians have greater need for comedy than their own audiences.
World-weary is an understatement. However, I am in no position to complain as I have visited your blog. I commend you on your writing and admire your for the barefoot journey you have taken, insofar as the roads you have traveled were strewn with far more broken glass and sharp pebbles than mine ever were.
*bows in admiration*
ManlyRash on October 5, 2008 at 7:40 PM
A bunch of the political elite giving backhanded compliments. Screw them and screw their fellow self annointed elites like noonan and george will and the sissy boys at nro. Those people aren’t on our side. They are jockying for position at the table in the coming fascist country that was formally the USA. These washington “conservative” pundits think we are all as stupid as the leftists think we are. They may actually think we are more stupid because the leftists pretty much ignore the washington conservatives and are working hard to defeat the real American people. In the dark days ahead noonan and george will will still have it cushy for awhile until it all hits the fan.
peacenprosperity on October 5, 2008 at 7:40 PM
“I won’t listen to the moderator. I won’t answer the questions.” Gwen Ifill claims Palin said.
Fact Check the wording from your own record, Ifill.
Palin respected Ifill as much as Ifill respected Palin.
Palin did not kiss Ifill’s ass, and Ifill got miffed that Palin “blew her off–the technical term for that”.
maverick muse on October 5, 2008 at 7:40 PM
And I think having two wives is bigamist. Then again, bigamist could also be another term for an Italian fog. What the hell, for years I thought “acoustic” was something you used to play billiards.
ManlyRash on October 5, 2008 at 7:42 PM
I felt like I was in Bizzaro World. All the Sunday morning “Serious” news shows where showing clips of Tina Fey as they were discussing Palin.
pappy on October 5, 2008 at 7:44 PM
Noonan was on the local station Friday promoting her book and said Palin calling herself a Joe six-pack was vulgar. Uhh, hello Peggy! Palin is the closest thing to a regular joe on the ticket in dacades. Noonan needs to get outside the beltway once in a while.
kongzilla on October 5, 2008 at 7:45 PM
I for one am getting pretty fed up with Peggy Noonan. The East Coast elite have run this country for the last 15 years and have run it into the ground. What we need is someone who has some common sense, who hasn’t been ruined by the thinking that they are the only one’s with the answer to all our problems and how dare the unwashed masses tell them they are wrong. As Sarah said, get out of the way and let us have our money and to use as we see fit and shut up!
flytier on October 5, 2008 at 7:47 PM
Back off, hippie. Sealand is MINE.
We have routers, firewalls, and spam blockers. And cookies.
sulla on October 5, 2008 at 7:07 PM
So what? My compound will have gyro-copters, decked-out old police cars and a feral kid who throws sharpened boomerangs. And football pads.
Bishop on October 5, 2008 at 7:50 PM
What Noonan needs cannot be politely discussed in these environs.
ManlyRash on October 5, 2008 at 7:52 PM
Suh-weeeeeeet. I had no idea your diocese was that progressive, Excellency! Count me in.
*packing up my football helmet and sharpened boomerang*
ManlyRash on October 5, 2008 at 7:54 PM
That’s nothin. We got –
Did you say gyro-copters?
Excellent.
sulla on October 5, 2008 at 7:58 PM
Jill1066 on October 5, 2008 at 7:10 PM
Exactly. It disgusts me that Ifil is playing the victim in this and that Brokaw plays along.
dont taze me bro on October 5, 2008 at 8:00 PM
To Iffle: Boo-hoo, you bitter Obama-supporting whore. Quite your elite-snob whining. I am glad she blew you off, as it was apparent from the get-go that you shouldn’t have been moderating a snot-blowing contest between these candidates.
Mutnodjmet on October 5, 2008 at 8:01 PM
So- she’s whining that Palin wasn’t helping sell the book?
And like Biden did answer?
drjohn on October 5, 2008 at 8:04 PM
Ummm, you do know that each campaign agrees to the moderators for the debate…right?
malan89 on October 5, 2008 at 8:05 PM
Okay. While I agree with you that Ifill should have taken herself out of the running for moderator b/c of the book, the blame falls on the representative of the campaign (in this case, Grahmnesty) that allowed her to be picked. A simple Google search or sampling of her work would reveal her bias and conflict of interest (the book was announced in July and the agreement was reached in the end of August, it’s not as if Ifill was “hiding” the book from them). I’m sorry I’m not toeing your “McCain can do no wrong!!!” line, but Lindsay takes the fall on this one. Geez. You’d think two minutes of research on the topic before using the term “knee-jerk” would be the norm. In this case, you’re the one with the knee-jerk reaction.
malan89 on October 5, 2008 at 8:15 PM
No, I wasn’t aware of the inner workings of this. But thanks for providing the information, even though you did it in a sarcastic, condescending way.
fossten on October 5, 2008 at 8:24 PM
The Onion does a better and more credible job than MSNBC
(Nothing But Crap)
http://www.theonion.com/content/infograph/rules_of_the_vice
diogenes on October 5, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Please don’t forget me! My ol’ mitchell 300 needs some exercise.
Rovin on October 5, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Sometimes it seems like EVERYTHING on the internet comes off sarcastic and condescending. I meant it jokingly and I certainly didn’t mean to offend, it just kind of felt like I was playing defense. “What are you talking about?” and “why such a knee jerk response” do kind of sound sarcastic and condescending in the right tone. Either way–no harm, no foul.
malan89 on October 5, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Gwen Ifill is a stooge.
A stooge with a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE ass.
seejanemom on October 5, 2008 at 8:33 PM
People………….. can’t you see the spin?
Now it’s the “Ifill”……. all attention is on her.
But what just happened?
Weren’t we just facing Martial Law and the entire collapse of our financial system?
The farther from the “Bail-Out” bill we get, the more “Nothing to see here, move along……….”
Nothing has changed, all the liberal “social engineering” that caused the problem in the first place still exists!
No one is being held accountable!
Sure, we are moving to,
Throwing money to a bunch of bureaucrats will not keep this from happening again unless the laws that forced the banks to make the loans to people they knew could not pay them back or face a penalty are repealed…………. and people like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, among many others, are in jail!
Where is the news about the multiple voter fraud prosecutions of ACORN? Thirty days out of a very critical election and not a single word?
Don’t fall for it, stay on point, DON’T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!
Seven Percent Solution on October 5, 2008 at 8:33 PM
So Ifill was complaining about being blown off when she participated in Meet the Presstitutes? Or was that a replay of Meet the Depressed? These talking heads certainly don’t like it when they don’t control the narrative.
Ifill claims that Biden came to debate McCain’s policies. Funniest thing: He spent a lot of gas attacking the Bush years and managed his dig at Cheney. Maybe he forgot who the candidates are.
We all noticed that Ifill didn’t mention Biden’s multiple re-writings of history and his errors, though she did work in a slam at Governor Palin for the same. There was no follow-up by the inquisitive (?!?) journalists on the panel to provide examples of such, however.
onlineanalyst on October 5, 2008 at 8:37 PM
“Don’t fall for it, stay on point, DON’T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!”
It’s too late. The idiots will speak on November 4th, and for the first time in the history of the world, the United States will officially be a socialist country.
Pay off your debts and get your affairs in order, folks.
Tom Blogical on October 5, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Waaah! NBC can go screw themselves as far as I’m concerned.
CP on October 5, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Post of the day. :-)
cannonball on October 5, 2008 at 8:44 PM
It should be blatantly obvious to the voters. Alas, the voters in this country are blatantly stupid. As evidenced by the results of 2006.
Tom Blogical on October 5, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Because the right-wing blogosphere — this community here included — created all that expectation of bias. Against that backdrop Ifill didn’t dare confront Palin even when she treated the debate as if it were an infomercial.
Wasn’t that the plan all along?
factoid on October 5, 2008 at 8:51 PM
You can put lip stick on Ifill and she is stiil a pig
Denniscat on October 5, 2008 at 8:51 PM
That’s because they are no longer journalist—–they’re lapdogs for the Democratic party. McCains battle is against more than his opponent. The longer Palin keeps these morons in her narrative the better.
Rovin on October 5, 2008 at 8:51 PM
My conservative mind is confused, this partisan bitch writes a book heralding the Age Of Obama, hides this from all parties involved and is still allowed to moderate a VP debate. Now, ignoring these facts she has the unmitigated gall to claim she was victimized by Palin’s agenda? Wow, uppity doesn’t come close to the sad reality of supremist belligerance getting stuffed down our throats in the name of racial equity.
All quaff the Messiah!
dmann on October 5, 2008 at 8:52 PM
With respect Tom…………… it is NEVER “too late”!
Seven Percent Solution on October 5, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Gwen-
It’s not about you, sweetie.
It’s not about you.
Saltysam on October 5, 2008 at 8:52 PM
test
dmann on October 5, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Maybe Gwen Ifil can write about it in her new upcoming book “How The Better Informed Lady From Alaska Put The Know-It-All Obama Supporter In Her Place.” Though I doubt that would even qualify as the working title.
pilamaye on October 5, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Whaaaaa… Somebody give her a sugartit to suck on….
CynicalOptimist on October 5, 2008 at 8:57 PM
My conservative mind is confused, this partisan bi-atch writes a book heralding the Age Of Obama, hides this from all parties involved and is still allowed to moderate a VP debate. Now, ignoring these facts she has the unmitigated gall to claim she was victimized by Palin’s agenda? Wow, arrogance doesn’t come close to the sad reality of the supremist belligerance getting stuffed down our throats in the name of racial equity.
All quaff the Messiah!
dmann on October 5, 2008 at 8:57 PM
Has someone called the WAAAAAAAAHbulance for her? She apparently has a terminal case of cupidstuntism.
Nahanni on October 5, 2008 at 9:00 PM
PMSNBC’s idea of journalism: 5 activist Democrat Obama supporters and Peggy Noonan.
Jaibones on October 5, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Oh…that’s where you’re wrong my friend. To Gwen, it is all about Gwen.
Jaibones on October 5, 2008 at 9:02 PM
Is this the usual projection, or just old fashioned stupidity?
Jaibones on October 5, 2008 at 9:03 PM
More whining media – they want to be the star
EricPWJohnson on October 5, 2008 at 9:04 PM
You had me LMAO right there…
Jaibones on October 5, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Several days ago, someone posted a link to a video of Ifill’s response to SarahCuda’s speech at the RNC. I wonder if you could watch it and give the group an unbiased assessment of Ifill’s performance.
I thought it was despicable.
csdeven on October 5, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Classic
Spirit of 1776 on October 5, 2008 at 9:07 PM
I’m there!
csdeven on October 5, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Rovin on October 5, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Wouldn’t be a reunion without you my friend! We need to get Ed on board.
Keemo on October 5, 2008 at 9:09 PM
For Dems/Lefties the whole game is identity politics, victimization, and grievance mongering.
Riddle us this, Gwen: Why did Biden have repeated chances to rebut Palin’s remarks and thus have the last word? What exactly was your job as moderator?
(Do any of you think that Biden is hanging out with his peeps down at Home Depot this weekend, telling them about his train rides on the DC Express? Maybe some of them can inform him that his favorite local beanery closed a long time ago, too. “Say it isn’t so, Joe.”
onlineanalyst on October 5, 2008 at 9:09 PM
funky chicken on October 5, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Don’t have horses, unless you consider our St. Bernards and our Great Danes horses…
I have worked full time since my graduation from HS funky; this little piece of the Yellowstone is the fruits of 37 years of dedicated hard work. The American way!
Keemo on October 5, 2008 at 9:14 PM
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