Video: The obligatory “Obama Youth” fraternity
posted at 1:15 pm on October 4, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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I’ve been flooded with e-mails to start a thread on the video of the so-called Obama Youth fraternity, and never let it be said that I kept Hot Air readers from a forum that will undoubtedly pile up hundreds of comments. I don’t consider this anywhere near as egregious as Sing for Change, but your mileage may vary:
There is some difference between having 5-12 year olds singing about Barack Obama and this group, which appears old enough to start forming their own opinions on politics. The quasi-military marching disturbs some, but as Jonah Goldberg notes, there is a tradition of this in black fraternities. The mindless chant of Barack Obama’s health-care slogans are less disturbing than comical, at least to me.
The Sing for Change video was clearly more of an exploitation of children for political indoctrination on behalf of the parents involved. The health-care cadence at least discussed policy specifics in the midst of the hero worship. The Sing for Change video makes Obama a demi-god to whom children should sing hosannas, and is much more creepy.
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And now Jonah Goldberg has joined the white gloves crowd over there at NR?
I strongly advise McCarthy, Levin, Steyn, and VDH to run like hell out of there before the gelding crew makes their next visit.
funky chicken on October 4, 2008 at 2:22 PM
This is Farrakhan on steroids.
petefrt on October 4, 2008 at 2:22 PM
Because of Obama…I am more aware of liberal fascism, groupthink, false Messiahs and cults of personality.
Thanks be to Barack.
econavenger on October 4, 2008 at 2:24 PM
Wow, just wow… wonder if this guy could could take both his books, and disect style…
If the styles are different, that would be interesting to say the least.
Romeo13 on October 4, 2008 at 2:26 PM
OT- Great new ads for McCain http://rightchange.com/video3.php
Tazz 55 on October 4, 2008 at 2:27 PM
That was a little creepy.
And why on earth were they chanting Alpha/Omega?
tikvah on October 4, 2008 at 2:28 PM
All well and good,but I thought the credit should have gone to the parents,teachers and taxpayers.
sonnyspats1 on October 4, 2008 at 2:29 PM
Not “Faith of My Fathers”. That’s John McCain’s book. You meant “Dreams From My Father”, right? Obama’s book.
capitalist piglet on October 4, 2008 at 2:29 PM
Maybe this is the Obama civilian defence corps we’ve heard so
muchlittle aboutEnglishMike on October 4, 2008 at 2:30 PM
Is this a try out for the Obama Civilian National Security Corps? And is that two-fisted knuckle bump the new salute?
Texas Gal on October 4, 2008 at 2:30 PM
It means “I am the beginning and the end”….
Yeah imagine that our society…the one where Barry sr. could run to and set up franchises of Bastard kids and get an Ivy league education for free…..
“evil” as Michelle says.
sven10077 on October 4, 2008 at 2:30 PM
Urban Community Leadership Academy of Kansas City, MO
From Atlas Shrugs post on this video
Gwillie on October 4, 2008 at 2:31 PM
Yup it is like a “Totalitarian Idol” tryout….
sven10077 on October 4, 2008 at 2:31 PM
Wow, just wow… wonder if this guy could could take both his books, and disect style…
If the styles are different, that would be interesting to say the least.
Romeo13 on October 4, 2008 at 2:26 PM
I thought that he did, and found that Obama’s other book didn’t appear to be written by the same person.
At first I was skeptical, but after seeing how eerily similar Ayers’ writing was in his own stuff, I have to say it can’t be a coincidence.
As for this video, I wonder how people would feel about it if it were a group of young white men, dressed in the same clothing, chanting slogans like that about a white candidate.
Ask yourself that.
capitalist piglet on October 4, 2008 at 2:32 PM
Heh. Jonah Goldberg was OK with what was going on the video until he was offended by health care policy.
I guess he thought the Alpha and Omega is a black fraternity.
econavenger on October 4, 2008 at 2:33 PM
The Mansourian Candidate
Enjoy.
gh on October 4, 2008 at 2:33 PM
I hope so but the fact is the cult of personality is at a minimum a powerful dragon that may break its fetters….
at worst the principal knew precisely what was going on and was running cover.
I’d like to believe we will weather Barry like we have other Presidents….
if that belief is ever shattered I will rally in Texas…hope lots of you come join me and we can craft a new state if need be.
My son will not be raised a socialist by the state.
sven10077 on October 4, 2008 at 2:34 PM
Why don’t these guys do something useful and join the military?
They could learn real values there, not just allegiance to a man. Might take off some of that excess weight, too.
PattyJ on October 4, 2008 at 2:35 PM
Eighty-six years ago we had the HJ (Hitler Jugend). Now we have the OD (Obama Drones).
USMCDevilDog on October 4, 2008 at 2:35 PM
I don’t speak the language, but the guy seems very clean and articulate. According to the subtitles he’s also for peace. Being for peace is good!
DarkCurrent on October 4, 2008 at 2:35 PM
Question, this either took place in a school or a church. Or so it appeared. Does anyone know where this was performed?
IS Medicaid not free? One of them says something about people that cannot afford Medicaid. And I thought most kids could stay insured until 24. It was 24 I think some years ago when I was 24. So bless THE MESSIAH’S heart he will raise the age to 25! Big whoop!
JetBlast is sooooooooo RIGHT on the rioting. I am not kidding when I say that we have discussed with my parents, who live in the city, that they need to move out the night of the election and stay with us. We live further out and in an area where this type might meet with some lead if they tried anything. My Dad has said ammo for some guns in our area has sold out several times and reports from gun sales are very high. I worry about things happening like they did right after 9-11. There were some people killed and hurt afterward that were not involved or responsible. But there is genuine fear out here for what is going to happen regardless of the results.
freeus on October 4, 2008 at 2:36 PM
Women love him as well….I hear he had great plans for regulating out of control financiers and was going to build better roads.
sven10077 on October 4, 2008 at 2:37 PM
Maybe we should have heard…………
Seven Percent Solution on October 4, 2008 at 2:38 PM
I know what it means, I just can’t figure out why they’re chanting it. I’ve only heard it as a reference to God. Are they seriously applying it to Obama?
tikvah on October 4, 2008 at 2:39 PM
The outrageous thing about this is that these are just kids. Who at the school authorized, organized and approved this?
Mason on October 4, 2008 at 2:39 PM
Because of Obama…. “You want fries with that?”
Viper1 on October 4, 2008 at 2:39 PM
the fat kid sucks, neet to eat a salad and practice more
custer on October 4, 2008 at 2:40 PM
what do you think it means?
It is using Biblical rhetoric to inflame impressionable people to a radical leftist economic bent. Gee, sounds an awful lot like Barry’s good friend jeremiah Wright and Father Pfleger doesn’t it?
The kids are literally discussing destroying the very fabric of the society that tolerates that crap in the first place.
If there are more of these groups out there on the scale of what Lt. Nixon says “just another version of the BSA and JROTC movements” then we have serious reason to be concerned.
sven10077 on October 4, 2008 at 2:42 PM
And not one white guy in the bunch.
Interesting for “Great Uniter”
Bicyea on October 4, 2008 at 2:43 PM
Reminds me of the Hitler Youth back in the 30’s & 40’s.
Old Hippie Vet on October 4, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Yeah ask Lt. Nixon about it is is “just an urban version of the boy Scouts or even JROTC”….funny thing both groups were a racially diverse non-political thing in my memory.
sven10077 on October 4, 2008 at 2:46 PM
Exactly, the Brown Shirts started this way.
GarandFan on October 4, 2008 at 2:46 PM
That was militaristic (shaking head). Who’s teaching these kids this stuff anyway? They looked to be in their teens. Those are critical developmental years. They’re gonna cause some well meaning kids to grow up and be a angry bitter men. And did they march in chanting, “Alpha… Omega?” Were they calling Obama “Alpha and Omega?” Did I hear that correctly? Take a look:
“I (GOD) am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.” Revelation 22:13
apacalyps on October 4, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Because of Obama I am inspired to put all my money under my mattress.
dont taze me bro on October 4, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Their only disadvantage thus far is that unlike the FreiKorps they lack combat experience.
They will possibly be getting political power on an earlier timeline than Rohm’s Raiders however.
sven10077 on October 4, 2008 at 2:48 PM
So when did Public Enemy get back together?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 4, 2008 at 2:48 PM
These students are in a charter school for grades 5-9, so it’s a bit of a stretch to compare this to what goes on at college fraternities. Notably, the schools test scores are dismal. Only 7.5% are proficient in math; 11.8% are proficient in what they call “Communication arts”.
What I find the most objectionable is the fact that their dreams are pinned on Obama’s success as a candidate. If the Obamatons in this video are not among those few who are proficient, their dreams of being engineers, architects, and lawyers are bound to be dashed, no matter who occupies the White House next year.
Buy Danish on October 4, 2008 at 2:49 PM
Please allow me to add some emphasis to your post – everyone here needs to read what is at your link, and they need to read Cashill’s analysis comparing the writings of Bill Ayers to Obama’s “Dreams From My Father”.
The similiarities in style are more than compelling. I think Cashill just about proves who Obama’s ghost writer was.
capitalist piglet on October 4, 2008 at 2:50 PM
They are already praying to him.
“…In the name of Obama, Amen.”
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 4, 2008 at 2:51 PM
t0, ever spent much time outside the US? Find any multicultural classes out there in the real world?
DarkCurrent on October 4, 2008 at 2:51 PM
The Alpha and Omega chant is clearly a Biblical Messiah reference. This is a creepy as it gets. I’m not one of those end of the world types but….can anyone say false prophet? What happens when the Obamessiah doesn’t deliver? Everyone better hold on to their guns and their religion. You just might need it.
ps. Don’t forget the ammo.
BrianA on October 4, 2008 at 2:51 PM
Thanks…I just blew beer out of my nose and mouth.
Why don’t you come over here and clean this mess up….you caused it.
LOL
Old Hippie Vet on October 4, 2008 at 2:52 PM
For their next act, do you think…..
Fight the Power
OR
Can’t Truss It
I can’t decide. They need a better choreographer.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 4, 2008 at 2:56 PM
Bird loads are on clearance at my local Meijer (one-stop shop better than Wal-Mart) store in Indiana. Should I pick up a few boxes?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 4, 2008 at 2:57 PM
No.
However if some black people think the answer is “yes” then that is going to create huge problems.
aengus on October 4, 2008 at 2:58 PM
LOL I think I just peed my pants. LOL
Thank God for Depends.
LOL
Old Hippie Vet on October 4, 2008 at 2:59 PM
It would be on MSNBC and Drudge if they were white kids in this exact video. Fat Albert types are disarming, leading some to excuse it as just a feelgood black thing. It’s sad because it will lead to more of the same for young inner city kids looking for hope and change in their personal lives if it isn’t widely exposed.
Rmember, if Obama loses and these nice chubby kids show up at a street corner protest they aren’t going to be shouting their future career options.
econavenger on October 4, 2008 at 2:59 PM
I prefer to call them Obama Youth…the acronym has a more pungent resonance for those who are familiar with the Hitler Youth.
ManlyRash on October 4, 2008 at 3:01 PM
Outrageously laughable.
dont taze me bro on October 4, 2008 at 3:01 PM
Indeed, seeing as how they comprise roughly 12% of the population. This AIN’T South Africa or Zimbabwe, folks.
ManlyRash on October 4, 2008 at 3:03 PM
You’re full of it. That won’t start for 5 more years.
DarkCurrent on October 4, 2008 at 3:04 PM
Latest inductees into Barry’s Civial National Security Corps.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 4, 2008 at 3:05 PM
OK, maybe the vid wouldn’t be on MSNBC. Olbermann leads this exact kind of worship every day in their newsroom when on breaks.
econavenger on October 4, 2008 at 3:05 PM
Is it just me or is there something illogical about chanting with a mass of people in unison “We take responsibility for our own lives.”
pappy on October 4, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Not if the only thing you identify with is the “we” part.
BrianA on October 4, 2008 at 3:13 PM
I can’t decide. They need a better choreographer.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 4, 2008 at 2:56 PM
From the moves, I would suggest this was their influence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcNUx0-XEfw
Bishop on October 4, 2008 at 3:13 PM
Because of who? huh? Because of Obama his brother lives in a hut fearing for his life everyday.
ajmontana on October 4, 2008 at 3:13 PM
The pants are similar too.
Bishop on October 4, 2008 at 3:14 PM
Bird shot is an awesome short range defense load….
at three-eight paces it vaporizes tissue.
sven10077 on October 4, 2008 at 3:17 PM
at worst they’ll need to be starved out….
They forget how vulnerable their logistics lines would be due to the very super highways we all love….
An anti-material rifle or ten on the likely avenues of approach will deny major metro areas commerce….then the cities will become a gigantic abbatoir.
This nation is built for guerilla warfare.
sven10077 on October 4, 2008 at 3:19 PM
There are going to be a lot of disappointed (and shocked and outraged) people if Obama becomes the next President.
albill on October 4, 2008 at 3:22 PM
So only Obama can inspire them? That’s weak and scary. Oh, well, when he loses I guess they’ll…cry?
SouthernGent on October 4, 2008 at 3:22 PM
* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences – Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise – Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power – Check
* Associates with racists, hatemongers and violent radicals – Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light – Check
* Uses, “glorious leader” style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations – Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force – Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control – Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents – Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State – Check
* People adopting his name as their own – Check
* Inspires adoration art – Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory – Check
* Never plans on giving up power – Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac – Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people’s accomplishments – Check
* Wants to build “youth” movement through Universal National State service – Check
* Acts as if in power before he is – Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine – Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media – Check
* Has his own salute – Check
* Has thuggish supporters intimdating political opponents – Check
* Using the power of the State to silence critics – Check
* Songs written to glorify him performed by children – Check
TheBigOldDog on October 4, 2008 at 3:24 PM
“Because of Obama”… I don’t have to be qualified for squat and I can get any job I want through crying racism and government handouts.
Texas Rainmaker on October 4, 2008 at 3:24 PM
I will be disappointed but neither shocked nor ‘outraged’(at a betrayal anyway I fully expect it)
Like a previous poster said Fat Albert and friends ain’t gonna be yelling their future resumes when that time comes.
sven10077 on October 4, 2008 at 3:25 PM
“…because of Obama, I’m inspired to go to the salad bar once in a bloody while!”
…”take responsibility for our own lives”? Why, tell me, bleeding Jesus, why do black men have to be told this over and over and over…could it be that “because of Obama”, something outside themselves, someone outside themselves, has to happen before they can act? To they need a catalyst in order to do the right, or any, thing?
They’re doing their little fraternity dances to Obama…they’re wearing dresses with his mug printed on ‘em at Paris fashion week…as observed, they’re rounding up kids and making them — below the age of consent, the kid can’t consent, so he or she is being made to do something — sing his praises…and he’s never, never never done anything! Nada! Zip! Nic! Nichts! Zippo!
This guy is like a drive in movie screen…when conditions are right, folks can project themselves, their agendas, their aspirations, and their guilt on him…during the day, he’s a useless eyesore, good for little else.
If Mr. McCain wakes up, if the “Bradley effect” is real, if the election goes against Obama and his Obamatons…expect an eruption of that’d make Vesuvius look like a zit popping…too many people have too much of their otherwise directionless lives invested in this cypher of a man…and, “because of Obama”, we’re gonna see the electoral version of crap in the vein of “Spike” Lee claiming that Mr. Bush blew up the levees and McKinney’s accusations of mass murder….
“…we didn’t get what we wanted…when we wanted it…waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!…
…so, maybe they’ll have to go out and take responsibility for themselves…by themselves…because of Obama….
Puritan1648 on October 4, 2008 at 3:25 PM
…this Obama guy is getting to look, more every day, like Mussolini without the cool hat….
Puritan1648 on October 4, 2008 at 3:27 PM
it’s his campaign art that cinched it for me after the rumblings for a “civillian national security force” I could buy one without the other the combination cinched it for me….I started the year mocking people who saw him as a tyrant in the making once.
sven10077 on October 4, 2008 at 3:30 PM
Uh…Seig Heil!
CynicalOptimist on October 4, 2008 at 3:35 PM
Anyone out there read the Left Behind series? I’ve said it before and will keep saying it- BHO reminds me of Carpathia and he scares the hell out of me.
kareyk on October 4, 2008 at 3:37 PM
When Der Ein declares himself Reichsfuhrer, we will need to meet up in Texas.
ManlyRash on October 4, 2008 at 3:38 PM
“Yup it is like a “Totalitarian Idol” tryout….
sven10077 on October 4, 2008 at 2:31 PM
Best summation of this election I have ever seen! It comes down to; “US or USSA?” You decide.
Star20 on October 4, 2008 at 3:39 PM
…I don’t know if it’s been noticed yet…but the kids shirts…they’re blue….
Everybody sing!
(translated from the German, as sung by the last color-coded bunch of folks crying for a “leader”, and edited for relevance)
…Hitler never accomplished anything, and won a narrow election, and was given power to shut him and his followers up…those who don’t learn from history….
Puritan1648 on October 4, 2008 at 3:39 PM
A bit too weird, gay, and obese for me…
ballz2wallz on October 4, 2008 at 3:42 PM
Small class sizes are not helping this school’s pathetic test scores:
Nor does is spending more the solution:
District Expenditure per Student: $10,926
Missouri Average: $8,269
Buy Danish on October 4, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Uhh, yeah,, go try having a discussion on the issues with a group like that.
Try putting up a McCain sign next to their bunker.
Love the camo, though. Has that nice “In your face Obama Youth” touch.
The only things missing were the AK-47’s.
JellyToast on October 4, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Obama’s “civilian national security force”–So everyone can be DRAFTED into Obama’s unnecessary war on freedom!
Bicyea on October 4, 2008 at 3:45 PM
We’ll rally in Texas and go from there…
sven10077 on October 4, 2008 at 3:47 PM
I also like the nice little “African swing” thing they had going on there. I can just imagine them doing that little swing thing and Obama chant as their corporal places the gasoline tire necklace around your head.
JellyToast on October 4, 2008 at 3:49 PM
…the problem isn’t race…if it were, as you say, 12% is hardly a mandate….
…the problem is this fascination with unstated, unspecific, amorphous “change” being touted internationally…folks’ve been sold a bill of goods that things are crappy, and need to be changed…and that this one-hit wonder is has the gnostic plan to kiss-it-make-it-better.
You get people all on fire for change, and the folks don’t demand specifics, you’re faced with a mob of people who can both be lied to at will and directed to do just about anything.
Face it: folks are determined to vote for him based on nothing. Nothing. They’re electing him to effect change — a thing which he’s never once demonstrated he can do — more or less wholesale.
In the end, these gormless idiots — and it may turn out that we’re talking about slightly over half the electorate here — are willing to subordinate everything in our national government, put this cypher in charge, in effect to shut the rest of us up! The change they want is for the neighbors with whom they don’t agree to knuckle under.
It isn’t race…it’s about half the electorate buying into the promises of a feather-merchant…selling thin air….
Puritan1648 on October 4, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Nice Viral ad….”one candidate thinks there needs to be a spare ’s’ in USA….”
sven10077 on October 4, 2008 at 3:50 PM
What was thuggish about this?
crr6 on October 4, 2008 at 3:51 PM
I am NOT kidding if it comes to that we rally in Texas…
sven10077 on October 4, 2008 at 3:52 PM
Islamberg: A Terror Compound in New York … or Misunderstood Neighbors?
BrianA on October 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM
Real change I can believe in after seeing this, is moving up from my 9mm to a 45 cal.
JellyToast on October 4, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Well CCCP6, you may not have noticed but “change” was being delivered with a combo hip-hop/military undertone and it was not a polite admonition for a consensus building…..
Aunt Esther put it best…”Barack will not let you go back to your old life”….
thanks Aunt E but I already have a Messiah he ain’t come home yet but he works true miracles.
sven10077 on October 4, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Now,, talk about your coincidences.
JellyToast on October 4, 2008 at 3:59 PM
Like I said gigantic abbatoirs…
a “civillian national security force” with teeth would not be a bad idea to protect our aquifers….
I could see “believers” “sowing Carthage with salt”….
sven10077 on October 4, 2008 at 4:01 PM
I’ve told that to people time and again. People here and around the world think of us in the same terms as Europe and really can’t grasp that we have states bigger then a lot of countries and cities with populations greater then some cities. I don’t even think you need a great deal of firepower. Give me ten guys/gals with decent scoped 22 caliber rifles and we could cause havoc just wounding people and the up side is that they are relatively quite. There are so many here that can drive, fly, dive and shoot that we revile some countries armies in training and firepower. People just don’t see that because they think we are just a want to be European country.
jmarcure on October 4, 2008 at 4:03 PM
I’m sorry I must have missed it. How exactly was it delivered with a hip-hop undertone? Chanting typically doesn’t come off as polite….but this wasn’t “thuggish” I wonder why it would be described that way.
crr6 on October 4, 2008 at 4:08 PM
This is the old material. They’re prepping the new stuff where all of the kids are chanting “obey….obey…..”
leetpriest on October 4, 2008 at 4:10 PM
I’m sorry did you hear any room for compromise in the piece CCCP6?
I didn’t…when guys in gold boots, cammy pants, with fragile self-esteem start shouting their Christmas list at me I don’t see an opportunity for consensus building.
Do you?
sven10077 on October 4, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Bwaaaaaa! I guess America will now have a bunch of fat, illiterate, racist little entrepreneurs, archichects, automotive technicians and lawyers, all “AO” branded onto their arms like stupid cows, and wearing camo pants, even though they wouldn’t make it 24 into basic training.
Jaibones on October 4, 2008 at 4:13 PM
I didn’t read the comment you’re referring to, but we aware that the racist black alpha omega fraternity is the ass-clown organization that has been branding (yes, like cattle) their recruits for decades. Even though they’re a bunch of college pansies, they fancy themselves a militant black organization. Yes, they’re thugs.
Jaibones on October 4, 2008 at 4:15 PM
They won’t be targeting people who can fight back easily they will be teeing off on innocents if the worst happens.
It was my comment, and thanks…I was gonna point that out shortly.
This little group is not an anomaly….
they are part of a movement.
sven10077 on October 4, 2008 at 4:18 PM
“Because of Obama I …”
Ok, so what they’re saying is without Obama they wouldn’t do any of this? Why is that exactly?
gekkobear on October 4, 2008 at 4:21 PM
…”shouting their Christmas list”…right on the money….
…a mob awaiting a leader….
Puritan1648 on October 4, 2008 at 4:21 PM
That Yuri Bezmenov video is a must see.
1) Demoralization
2) Destabilization
3) Crisis (Bailout anyone?)
4) Normalization
These were the steps the KGB used to accomplish their ends. It is prophetic for the tactics of today’s American far Left. Not really the Communism angle, but the Socialism / Marxism angle for today’s America. This is a perilous time for our country. Have we Americans lost our stomach for the hard work of freedom, the free market, and independence from an intrusive government?
misterspork on October 4, 2008 at 4:25 PM
The amazing thing I never realized is that apparently this is never discussed in polite society. I graduated an Illinois State University in 1982, and these clowns were marching around campus in their parmilitary outfits back then. We laughed at them.
26 years later, you can google “racist black fraternities” and you’ll get almost nothing relevant. Everything you’ll see is about some knuckleheads at Alabama or Auburn, and accusations of white students making prank phone calls to black frats.
What a joke. Can you even effing imagine a white fraternity where the guys march around campus with brands on their arms and army boots, glaring at everyone and chanting on the quad at 2am? Good heavens, they’d be shut down by the Ivory Tower on Day 1.
Jaibones on October 4, 2008 at 4:26 PM
The get the AK-47s on January 21st, as a gift from their Alpha – Omega.
:::shudder:::
tru2tx on October 4, 2008 at 4:28 PM
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