Grade levels in public speaking: meaningless
posted at 11:20 am on October 4, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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I expect that many people will try to make something of the CNN report that Sarah Palin spoke at a higher grade level than did Joe Biden during their debate. It certainly lends itself to all kinds of humor and a certain amount of political schadenfreude regarding Biden’s pomposity and conceit regarding his intelligence. However, this really means much less than it seems:
An analysis carried out by a language monitoring service said Friday that Gov. Sarah Palin spoke at a more than ninth-grade level and Sen. Joseph Biden spoke at a nearly eighth-grade level in Thursday night’s debate between the vice presidential candidates. …
His analysis ranked the candidates’ speech on several other levels, too. Here’s the breakdown:
- Grade level: Biden, 7.8; Palin, 9.5 (Newspapers are typically written to a sixth-grade reading level.)
- Sentences per paragraph: statistically tied at 2.7 for Biden and 2.6 for Palin.
- Letters per word: tied at 4.4.
- Ease of reading: Biden, 66.7 (with 100 being the easiest to read or hear), versus 62.4 for Palin.
The analysis said Abraham Lincoln spoke at an 11th-grade level during his seven debates in 1858 against incumbent Stephen A. Douglas in their race for a Senate seat from Illinois.
I worked for a few years as a technical editor and writer in the defense industry, and we had to calculate reading levels for manuals written for various branches of the service. At the time, the Army and Marine Corps wanted manuals written at newspaper levels, while the Navy and Air Force wanted them slightly higher. These days, word processors automatically calculate reading levels, but in the mid-80s, we had to do it ourselves. Reading level was and is calculated using a calculation of average numbers for sentences per paragraph, words per sentence, and syllables per word. We literally had to take sample pages and use tally sheets and hash marks to analyze reading levels for each manual to ensure that they met the contractual obligations.
This analysis just shows that Palin used a somewhat higher ratio in this calculation than Biden. That doesn’t necessarily make her a better communicator, not even if people ignore content altogether. Newspapers write at a sixth-grade level for a reason. They want to communicate quickly and broadly, without creating unnecessary obstacles to comprehension. Politicians want this more than newspapers, since they get fewer opportunities to communicate to individual voters.
In that sense only, Biden may have been the more effective communicator. Keeping it short and punchy works better, a lesson Biden frequently forgets. In this case, the differences were slight enough that it wasn’t noticeable in the debate itself.
So while this gives Palin supporters a reason to crow about her trouncing Biden’s supposed intellect, it’s really meaningless, especially with the slight gap noted by CNN. They’re better off reviewing Biden’s gaffes, which is a much more abundant resource.
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How does CNN know this? Is sounds like they both spoke above the level CNN understands…
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CapedConservative on October 4, 2008 at 11:23 AM
It’s a nice headline though!
lodge on October 4, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Will Slate start diagramming Biden?
promachus on October 4, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Why must you kill all our fun :) … schadenfreude
CanadianGuy on October 4, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Yeah, the grade level thing doesn’t go to far explaining the debate. I think we need a system that calculates lies and blatant inaccuracies per minute for Biden. I’m coming up with about .5 lies per minute of speaking time, but I’m doing some rounding and estimating.
forest on October 4, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Palin is a great communicator, but I agree, this analysis is meaningless really.
Spirit of 1776 on October 4, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Wow. East coast elite-ism vs Western down home-ism equates a tie? Why did she sound so much more intelligent?
Benjamin9 on October 4, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Absolutely correct, Ed. Effective communicators always try to reach the largest audience and it’s not a badge of honor to say that a person is communicating at a collegiate or post-collegiate level. Spend five minutes with any random sampling of Modern Language Association convention attendees and that point becomes abundantly clear.
Mr. D on October 4, 2008 at 11:33 AM
CNN’s reporting is pre school also!
grapeknutz on October 4, 2008 at 11:34 AM
I’m still waiting for the MSM to analyze why “foreign policy expert” Biden’s many outrageous misstatements of fact about Lebanon and the Middle East don’t mean that he is unqualified to be VP.
AZCoyote on October 4, 2008 at 11:36 AM
You have to weight Plugsy saying “Let me repeat” over and over again, to get a real grade, right?
hippie_chucker on October 4, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Yeah, there’s a real value in speaking in impenetrable dependent clauses and mayonnaise words. Just as Adlai Stevenson!
spmat on October 4, 2008 at 11:39 AM
This is another vindication for Palin and helps repudiate the charge that she is a lightweight ditz.
We in the library field like to advise that, if you want to learn the essentials on any subject, read a children’s nonfiction book written at about the fourth grade level. That aside, reading and vocabulary levels are overrated, as the success of the Harry Potter series that inspired millions of children to read well above their levels proves.
Terrie on October 4, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Too bad CNN didn’t weight in on Biden’s “bull shit” level.
GarandFan on October 4, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Er, *ask.
EDIT BUTTON PLEEZ!!11
spmat on October 4, 2008 at 11:41 AM
It should be embarrassing for CNN to publish a story documenting meaningless drivel (”letters per word”?) about the debate, at the same moment when blogs are investigating the actual content. For a good example, see Michael Totten.
Less minutiae, MSM… more depth.
blueguitarbob on October 4, 2008 at 11:42 AM
You can’t tell, but I’m writing this in crayon with my tongue sticking out of the side of my mouth. In truth, I’d have guessed that the scores would be reversed.
All the same, it’s meaningless. But it raises an interesting question. When Palin shooks hands with Biden the other night, should she have asked, “Can I call you Joey?”
Further to the debate, Biden, as we know, lied many times in his responses. I care little about the national security lies simply because the middle 20% doesn’t care. I did, however, smell a stinking rat when it came to Biden’s comments about McCain’s health care proposal. On this topic, Biden lied shamelessly. I suggest this article to clear things up.
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NTRmYzJkMmZkN2U2MDY4NmIwZTdlZTk5YzY5NTU1OTc=
BuckeyeSam on October 4, 2008 at 11:42 AM
When entered the work force during my senior year of high school, I realized that most of the people I worked with weren’t familiar with a lot of the multi-syllable words I was used to using with my upper level classmates. I learned to speak in a manner that got my point across in a way most people could understand.
The level on which a person speaks is not necessarily indicative of how much brain power they have available. It may be more a matter of tailoring to their audience. I once saw a speaker at a gathering of amateur astronomers look out over the crowd and say, “I have one talk I give to professionals and another I give to the general public. I think I’ll do this one somewhere in the middle.”
backwoods conservative on October 4, 2008 at 11:44 AM
I guess the truth is out Biden won. How could I be so wrong.
tomas on October 4, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Here’s a Joe Biden quote which I just made up: “I have a higher IQ than you but I’ll be damned if I’m going to use it!”
backwoods conservative on October 4, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Our society has been dumbed down to the point that a high level of word usage is basically useless in most circles.
Mojave Mark on October 4, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Gold.
Spirit of 1776 on October 4, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Heh, when writing manuals for computer systems we aimed for a 5th grade level. It is pretty much impossible to underestimate the stupidity of the people listening/reading.
Buford on October 4, 2008 at 12:05 PM
What’s sad is that they have already done more investigative journalism on Palin’s speaking grade level than they have done on Obama in 18+ months.
phreshone on October 4, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Somebody parsed a speech by Kevin Rudd, our (Australia’s) Prime Minister in this way and found you need 10 years of post-graduate education to read his speeches.
Dude goes of in his own little world. Very boring to listen to.
cyclosarin on October 4, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Well no wonder reporters always look so damn tired, what with staying up all hours trying to attain such a challenging level of communication.
Patrick S on October 4, 2008 at 12:22 PM
All I know is that my wife, a Dem* and corporate VP of communications, who has given and written many a speech, was excited the entire 90 minutes in her praise of Palin. She kept saying she “bridges” like no one she’d ever heard before and used a “voice” at once tough but resonant with the broad middle class.
In other words, she wasn’t speaking Senatorial Gasbag like the other candidate on the stage.
*Yes, she decided to vote Palin five minutes into her convention speech.
Chaz on October 4, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Brevity is the soul of wit, however what good is it to speak down to the masses if what you are communicating is garbage and flat out wrong?
smfoushee on October 4, 2008 at 12:45 PM
A debate is different than writing for your paper…people expect to be impressed.
tomas on October 4, 2008 at 1:07 PM
Sarah Palin won the debate. She didn’t have most technical answers, but she had the most believable answers. Believing what somebody is telling you. Is that not important? I don’t believe Joe Biden. I believe Sarah Palin. And you better hope she remains a little rough around the edges in her interviews. The day she turns into a polished politician like Biden is the day she becomes no longer useful serving this country.
apacalyps on October 4, 2008 at 3:04 PM
Not to mention tone and demeanor was not even in these evaluations.
Mcguyver on October 4, 2008 at 4:20 PM
That’s a good funny one Patrick S @ 12:22!!
Mcguyver on October 4, 2008 at 4:22 PM
OK, this story pisses me off. I too am an editor by trade, suckling at the corporate teat, and all the titans of industry with whom I work can’t write for @#$&.
Yeah, they all have MBAs and advanced degrees, but none of them can put a sentence together or spell. They can speak and write “business English” like Biden speaks “Washingtonese.”
I’m so effing sick of hearing “architect a solution,” although it’s better than “help clients solution their issues,” which I’ve also heard.
saint kansas on October 4, 2008 at 4:33 PM
You know if it were the reverse the dems would put it above the fold on the NYSlimes and the WashcomPost. So let us have our moments of joy to tweak the libtards.
eaglewingz08 on October 4, 2008 at 4:59 PM
Here is my surprised face :O
Squid Shark on October 4, 2008 at 5:47 PM
saint kansas on October 4, 2008 at 4:33 PMI totally sympathize, I am working on my post-grad degree and I have come to the realization that 10 years in the Navy has destroyed my ability to write anything reasonable coherent.
Squid Shark on October 4, 2008 at 5:49 PM
I agree it’s mostly insignificant- they essentially were speaking at the same level- it shows the power of words.
Sarah Palin came off as a real person while Biden did not.
highhopes on October 4, 2008 at 5:51 PM
Just wait until you have to write a “civilian” resume after 23 years.
highhopes on October 4, 2008 at 5:52 PM
That’s interesting, last week I was listening to a woman on C-SPAN rant about how ignorant sounding Palin was and that she needed to go back to high-school to learn how to speak!
4shoes on October 4, 2008 at 6:15 PM
It’s the accent. Show up with anything but an Eastern inflection and the elites deduct 50 IQ points. 75 if the accent is Southern.
highhopes on October 4, 2008 at 6:21 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that screen cap makes Biden look like a leering dirty old man?
CurtZHP on October 4, 2008 at 6:56 PM
The impression I got watching it was that Biden wanted to turn the handshake into a hug but Sarah wouldn’t let him.
backwoods conservative on October 4, 2008 at 7:09 PM
I’ve had Comp 801, and I write real good.
davidk on October 4, 2008 at 7:25 PM
Biden’s IQ is smarter than a 5th garder
- The Cat
MirCat on October 4, 2008 at 7:27 PM
Where did you find a 5th grader that dumb?
backwoods conservative on October 4, 2008 at 7:50 PM
Yeah, well…speaking as a woman with brains, I learned long ago to purposefully dumb-down my conversation so I wouldn’t be accused of being miss smartie-pants know-it-all, which I was on numerous occasions. Even in recent years I’ve left friends literally open-mouthed at something I said that didn’t seem like a big deal to me–and in my family it isn’t–so I watch what I say and I watch how I say it. I’ve been burned too many times to not do so.
I think women are often caught between a rock and hard spot in that way. We’re brainy and well educated and whoo-hoo isn’t that great! But if we come across as too smart and well-educated there are people who resent it, I guess. Sarah Palin is probably damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t.
Bob's Kid on October 4, 2008 at 8:05 PM
Can you imagine going to work making these studies. What a line of work you can brag to your buddies.
KBird on October 4, 2008 at 9:46 PM
I just don’t think that saying “Joe Biden’s lies were easier to understand” is a thing to be bragging about.
But I’m sure CNN knows better…
theregoestheneighborhood on October 4, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Some people find smart people intimidating, some find beautiful people intimidating, some find wealthy people intimidating. I think it all comes back to insecurity.
Personally, I much prefer a woman who can carry on an intelligent conversation.
Not that that’s in any way unusual….
theregoestheneighborhood on October 4, 2008 at 11:39 PM
That was so far fetched. I love how Palin speaks. She uses language that I can understand. I have never trusted a person that uses big words. That way, they can say that they meant another word. If you notice the Democrats talk like that. Then they can swear that they didn’t say that. You took them out of context. Barney Franks is a great example. I know and understand Sarah. She speaks from her heart. Biden is slick like the worm that he is. He didn’t even look sincere when he was talking. And that so called almost crying was a put on.
sheebe on October 4, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Well, two outta three.
davidk on October 4, 2008 at 11:51 PM
HERE is how this information came about:
Mainstream Terrorist Media Urinalists, after Sarah’s CONVINCING WIN over Biden, were DESPERATELY seeking SOME sort of “factoid” that they could DEVELOP to SPIN their fantasy that Sarah is STUPID.
The first and EASIEST “factoid” check? Grade reading-level: Heck, its an application that is already available on Word. You click once – and Word will spit out the reading level of the document you’re creating.
Unfortunately – they couldn’t “Sneak This By” WITHOUT checking Biden’s reading level as well and – MUCH TO THEIR CHAGRIN – things turned our EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of the way their FANTASIES ran!!
JUST LIKE the Election in November will!!
grtflmark on October 5, 2008 at 1:09 AM
It’s an interesting take. More interesting than the standard partisan stuff lurking about here these days.
lexhamfox on October 5, 2008 at 2:56 AM
Meaningless drivel. Just like those reporting Biden won. Many great communicators are also great liars. In fact, it has been my experience in life that those who have wonderful sounding slick speeches peppered with lots of great sounding ‘facts’ often get attention, even if they’re lying through their teeth.
The truth seems so hard for some people to recognize. This is how Bill Clinton caused so many to swoon. Same as Oblammo.
I’m sure when the Messiah comes back FOR REAL (not Oblammo) that many will not recognize the truth there, either.
In fact, I’m quite sure if God himself showed up on the world stage with every miracle at his disposal, there will be the same morons arguing against Him.
Badger40 on October 6, 2008 at 1:50 PM
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