“Mother of all gaffes”

posted at 1:40 pm on October 3, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Rick Moran of Right Wing Nut House has followed the wars in Lebanon more closely than most bloggers, and Joe Biden’s assertion that the US and France “kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon” has him gasping for breath.  Calling it “completely insane”, Rick deconstructs the rest of the answer on this question to seriously challenge whatever credentials Biden claims on foreign policy.  First, here’s Biden’s answer in its entirety, emphases mine:

BIDEN: Gwen, no one in the United States Senate has been a better friend to Israel than Joe Biden. I would have never, ever joined this ticket were I not absolutely sure Barack Obama shared my passion.  But you asked a question about whether or not this administration’s policy had made sense or something to that effect. It has been an abject failure, this administration’s policy.  In fairness to Secretary Rice, she’s trying to turn it around now in the seventh or eighth year.

Here’s what the president said when we said no. He insisted on elections on the West Bank, when I said, and others said, and Barack Obama said, “Big mistake. Hamas will win. You’ll legitimize them.” What happened? Hamas won.  When we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, “Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don’t know — if you don’t, Hezbollah will control it.”

Now what’s happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel.  The fact of the matter is, the policy of this administration has been an abject failure.  And speaking of freedom being on the march, the only thing on the march is Iran. It’s closer to a bomb. Its proxies now have a major stake in Lebanon, as well as in the Gaza Strip with Hamas.

We will change this policy with thoughtful, real, live diplomacy that understands that you must back Israel in letting them negotiate, support their negotiation, and stand with them, not insist on policies like this administration has.

Rick couldn’t believe his ears:

Of course, no one “threw Hezb’allah out of Lebanon.” They have been there all along as the expert above notes. The Lebanese people threw the Syrians out of Lebanon, with no help from liberal Democrats like Biden and Obama, but with a great big behind the scenes lift from France and the US. It was we who put the bug in King Abdullah’s ear to lobby the Syrians to get while the going was good as the French worked directly on Baby Assad. The combination worked wonderfully and the Syrians left in a hurry – after a couple of million Lebanese took to the streets in a breathtaking show of defiance to tyranny and love of freedom.

Joe Biden – or any rational human being on this planet anyway – never recommended that NATO be dispatched to “fill the vacuum.” It is a lie. If it had been proposed. Colin Powell would have been laughed out of the room – something we should do to Biden at this point because he compounded his gaffe by evidently believing that not having NATO as a buffer between Israel and Hezb’allah – an absolute impossibility mind you – led to the ascension of Hezb’allah in Lebanon as a political power.

Where has Biden been for the last 20 years – at least since the Taif Accords were signed in 1989 which gave Hezb’allah a free hand in the southern part of the country and then pressuring the Lebanese government to formally designate them as “the resistance” to Israel? Hezb’allah’s rise is directly related to Iran’s funding of their proxy to the tune of around $250 million a year.

Like Rick, I cannot recall anyone seriously suggesting that NATO occupy the sub-Litani region of Lebanon.  NATO already found itself stretched to meet its commitments in Afghanistan, although Germany and Italy did find troops to contribute to the beefed-up presence in UNIFIL, the same multinational force that had sat idle while Hezbollah armed itself after the Israeli withdrawal from the region a few years ago — and then turned around and did the same thing after the Israeli withdrawal in 2006.

Some people assumed that Biden meant that the US and France kicked Syria out of Lebanon, but Michael Totten — who has spent considerable time in Lebanon — doesn’t buy that explanation, either:

And did Biden and Senator Barack Obama really say NATO troops should be sent into Lebanon? When did they say that? Why would they say that? They certainly didn’t say it because NATO needed to prevent Hezbollah from returning–since Hezbollah never went anywhere.

I tried to chalk this one up as just the latest of Biden’s colorful gaffes. Did he mean to say “we kicked Syria out of Lebanon?” But that wouldn’t make any more sense. First of all, the Lebanese kicked Syria out of Lebanon. Not the United States, and not France. But he clearly meant to say Hezbollah, not Syria, because he correctly notes just a few sentences later that Hezbollah is part of Lebanon’s government. He wasn’t talking about Syria. He was talking about Hezbollah all the way through, at the beginning, in the middle, and at the end of his outlandish assertion.

And all of this points out the folly of presidential-level meetings with the leadership of Iran, without the precondition of them ending their support for the terrorist group Hezbollah.  Iran funds Hezbollah and their terrorist activities, which Biden rightly decries.  But if Biden doesn’t want Hezbollah to be a “legitimate part” of the Lebanese government for that reason, why would he legitimize their sponsors with presidential-level meetings without first insisting on the end of that support?

It’s a completely incoherent policy as well as a terrible misreading of history and the present status of the region. And if Biden can’t get this right, what does that say about his running mate, who chose Biden to fill the gaps in his own foreign-policy portfolio?


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Liberals do not care about the truth.

Power is all that matters to them.

Elizabetty on October 3, 2008 at 1:42 PM

EPIC FAIL

rockmom on October 3, 2008 at 1:43 PM

not to diminish the alarming idiocy of greasy joe’s answer, but i was struck by the “no one in the United States Senate has been a better friend to Israel than Joe Biden” line as a classless and gratutitous slam at joe l. …

Buckaroo on October 3, 2008 at 1:43 PM

And no one in the media will call him on it… just like the media is still pushing that the credit crisis is somehow McCain and the other Republicans fault.

At least the MSM gets a little weaker each day, so there’s that.

BadgerHawk on October 3, 2008 at 1:44 PM

Biden said a number of things last night that were absolutely ridiculous or downright false. From Katie’s restaurant in Delaware (which has been out of business since the Clinton administration) to his unequivocal support for Clean Coal to any number of lies that the McCain campaign has listed on their website. But this one in particular is hilarious (and horrifying at the same time).

stwendeler on October 3, 2008 at 1:44 PM

I have to admit that I was surprised to hear that last night. Thought I had missed a pretty big news story.

Cindy Munford on October 3, 2008 at 1:45 PM

It doesn’t matter, it came out of a potential liberal VP’s mouth.

right2bright on October 3, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Moron.

lodge on October 3, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Did you notice how Sarah Palin immediately recognized this colossal gaffe, pounced on it, questioned Biden about it and showed the world her brilliant mastery of geopolitical facts?

Me neither.

factoid on October 3, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Foreign relations expert……..NOT

grapeknutz on October 3, 2008 at 1:46 PM

It’s not a gaffe, it’s a complete fabrication. This man is their foreign policy “expert” and it’s as if he’s lived a completely different history than the rest of us.

Hannibal Smith on October 3, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Did you notice how Sarah Palin immediately recognized this colossal gaffe, pounced on it, questioned Biden about it and showed the world her brilliant mastery of geopolitical facts?

Me neither.

LOL!

+1

Did Palin even answer this question, or did she change the subject to energy?

cornfedbubba on October 3, 2008 at 1:48 PM

KEEP TALKING Biden, it makes it easier for McCain to win!

tx2654 on October 3, 2008 at 1:48 PM

STAND UP JOE! STAND UP!! GOD LOVE YA!!!

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 3, 2008 at 1:50 PM

At this stage anyone that is with Obama is in total denial of reality.period.

bbz123 on October 3, 2008 at 1:50 PM

can you even imagine if Cuda had said any of those……how sad is this country’s alleged media…

SDarchitect on October 3, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Doesn’t matter. At this point anything they say only increases their standng in the polls. It’s over, folks. Time to move on and prepare for the Obamareich. Make a place in your homes for an official photo of Der Ein.

For his part, McCain will return to the senate and continue to reach across the aisle in a renewed spirit of bipartisan cooperation.

ManlyRash on October 3, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Really, this one is on par with Ford’s “There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe” fiasco. Of course the probama media will ignore it.

rbj on October 3, 2008 at 1:52 PM

God forbid, as Gwen Ifill said, that something should happen and Joe is President, what kind of President would we have?

A complete bumbling moron, perhaps. Nice guy and everything, smart…

But old, dumb and bumbling.

But McCain, he’s sure to die in office, just ask Gwen Ifill.

benrand on October 3, 2008 at 1:53 PM

I didn’t see this Stupendous Lie on ABC’c ‘fact check’

surprise, surprise. Meanwhile, McCain fiddles while the economy ties itself in knots…..

Janos Hunyadi on October 3, 2008 at 1:53 PM

I see that Obama picked up ground last night by a couple of points which shows that the Public neither knows nor cares if Biden is clueless. Cluelessness is the order of the day.

The public wants “change” and they will get more change then they expect. They are willing to throw the dice on a empty suit who is little more then a corrupt Chicago wardhealer and his loyal sidekick who doesn’t know much about history (President FDR in 1929), Technology (TV in 1929) who is who in Lebanon and what the constitutional powers of the Vice President are. Connecting to another thread I agree with the K&B twins, it’s over, never even close.

We may get the last laugh as the next President is likely going to be the next Herbert Hoover. It should ensure Republican control for the next two generations. Of course it might not matter if my irrational side is right and Obama turns out to be Hugo Chavez on steroids. Maybe he is merely a “democratic” fascist who will give up power voluntarily.

Ein volk!
Ein Reich!
Ein Obama!

Uns Auf Sieg!

jerryofva on October 3, 2008 at 1:54 PM

Of course the probama media will ignore it. – rbj on October 3, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Talk radio will disappear next year. Fox News will plunge into the tank for Der Ein. Johnny Mac will lend his bipartisan support to a bill that allows government to control the Internet.

ManlyRash on October 3, 2008 at 1:54 PM

making up history one breath at a time

Mercy4Me on October 3, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Plugs Biden thought we could get some really good tabouli and humus and said,

“I am in! What am I talkin’ about! Those Lebonese girls are really good looking, like young Marlo Thomas! What am I talkin’ about!”

Mr. Joe on October 3, 2008 at 1:56 PM

I couldn’t believe Biden was saying this stuff. Once again though, I doubt these comments will get any traction in the media at all.

kongzilla on October 3, 2008 at 1:56 PM

Time to move on and prepare for the Obamareich. Make a place in your homes for an official photo of Der Ein.

Reductio ad Hitlerum

You guys are such true American patriots.

cornfedbubba on October 3, 2008 at 1:57 PM

Biden’s responses were more pointed than Palin’s last night. Of course, that’s a little easier when you can make up the points as you go along.

pugwriter on October 3, 2008 at 1:58 PM

Cornfed:

Actually I am more of a Recuctio ad Il Ducium kind of guy. But then again it’s not the McCain supporters who are making “Tomorrow Belongs to Me” videos.

jerryofva on October 3, 2008 at 1:59 PM

The comments won’t gain traction. And they shouldn’t gain traction. Politics by gaffe reel doesn’t serve the interests of the nation.

When you have easy access to someone’s voting record and donations, that’s what should matter. Not that it isn’t entertaining … it just doesn’t necessarily mean much unless it crystallizes into a real position.

TheUnrepentantGeek on October 3, 2008 at 2:00 PM

This gaffe is similar to this one:

“There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe, and there never will be under a Ford administration.”

But of course since Joe is Messiah’s running mate, all is forgiven and in fact should never be mentioned in public again…otherwise their truth squad will be going after you.

poxoma on October 3, 2008 at 2:00 PM

You guys are such true American patriots. – cornfedbubba on October 3, 2008 at 1:57 PM

Yes. Thanks!

ManlyRash on October 3, 2008 at 2:01 PM

Did you notice how Sarah Palin immediately recognized this colossal gaffe, pounced on it, questioned Biden about it and showed the world her brilliant mastery of geopolitical facts?

Me neither.

factoid on October 3, 2008 at 1:46 PM

This is one reason I think Palin’s performance was nothing special. If she had jumped on just this one gaffe, she would have seriously dented his foreign policy cred. I was so frustrated when she didn’t.

kongzilla on October 3, 2008 at 2:02 PM

I’ve been waiting for the blog topic on this. Had to chime in on another blog, and Hot Air was not there for me then.

I agree that this was BY FAR the biggest gaffe of the night, and I think we can get some mileage out of it.

Unlike tricky questions about Supreme Court case history and the meaning of “Bush Doctrine”, I think the general public actually has an idea of the recent history in the Middle East, and could be shocked to their senses that Biden is not so smart, and that the MSM ignores it.

connertown on October 3, 2008 at 2:04 PM

cornfedbubba
kongzilla

We’re getting astroturfed!
Seriously, where’d these guys come from all the sudden.

silverfox on October 3, 2008 at 2:06 PM

Reductio ad Hitlerum

You guys are such true American patriots.

cornfedbubba on October 3, 2008 at 1:57 PM

Cornpone…

Biteo mi crankio.

connertown on October 3, 2008 at 2:06 PM

I think the general public actually has an idea of the recent history in the Middle East, and could be shocked to their senses that Biden is not so smart, and that the MSM ignores it. – connertown on October 3, 2008 at 2:04 PM

A majority of the general public doesn’t even know who their vice-president is. The general public is ‘a ass, a idiot,’ to quote Mr. Bumble.

ManlyRash on October 3, 2008 at 2:07 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/23/world/23cnd-policy.html?pagewanted=print

i dunno, sounds like the idea was floated around, Ed.

Vincenzo on October 3, 2008 at 2:07 PM

We’re getting astroturfed!
Seriously, where’d these guys come from all the sudden.

silverfox on October 3, 2008 at 2:06 PM

The “troll signal” went out, and guess who answered….

If they win this election, they will try to shut this blog down, among others

Janos Hunyadi on October 3, 2008 at 2:09 PM

A majority of the general public doesn’t even know who their vice-president is. The general public is ‘a ass, a idiot,’ to quote Mr. Bumble.

ManlyRash on October 3, 2008 at 2:07 PM

I guess this means that you’re not running for office? :-)

connertown on October 3, 2008 at 2:09 PM

This is one reason I think Palin’s performance was nothing special. If she had jumped on just this one gaffe, she would have seriously dented his foreign policy cred. I was so frustrated when she didn’t.

kongzilla on October 3, 2008 at 2:02 PM

And you have voted Republican for your whole life, but just this one time you will have to vote dem.
Yeah, sure…

right2bright on October 3, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Those who expect expect Palin to have a detailed grasp of every geopolitical, economic, and cultural context, ready recollection of the same, and can actually do that themselves, need to close their laptops, put on some sunscreen (SPF 100 should be ok) and take a long walk.

I would suggest maybe meeting other people or possibly even dating, put that could be too much, too soon.

pugwriter on October 3, 2008 at 2:11 PM

factoid on October 3, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Read my 2:11 post, this goes for you also…

right2bright on October 3, 2008 at 2:13 PM

But if Biden doesn’t want Hezbollah to be a “legitimate part” of the Lebanese government for that reason, why would he legitimize their sponsors with presidential-level meetings without first insisting on the end of that support?

Because as he demonstrates over and over again, Biden is a clueless idiot. As is Obama.

AZCoyote on October 3, 2008 at 2:15 PM

One gets a passing grade
The other just gets a pass

Kini on October 3, 2008 at 2:15 PM

pugwriter on October 3, 2008 at 2:11 PM

One “expect” was probably enough.

pugwriter on October 3, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Factoid…
as far as her pickup of these policy details, show me another first term governor who would have been able to call Biden out on it…Tim Kaine? I know it fits your liberal narrative to think she doesnt know these details now, and is by extension incapable of learning, but give me a break…your candidate couldn’t even get the situation right after almost 4 decades in the Senate.

hippie_chucker on October 3, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Doesn’t matter. At this point anything they say only increases their standng in the polls. It’s over, folks. Time to move on and prepare for the Obamareich. Make a place in your homes for an official photo of Der Ein.

For his part, McCain will return to the senate and continue to reach across the aisle in a renewed spirit of bipartisan cooperation.

ManlyRash on October 3, 2008 at 1:52 PM

I’m with you Manly, resigned to an Obama presidency . . .and just so depressed about it.

Willie on October 3, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Did you notice how Sarah Palin immediately recognized this colossal gaffe, pounced on it, questioned Biden about it and showed the world her brilliant mastery of geopolitical facts?

Me neither.

factoid on October 3, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Yes, well, I would think it a plus that we have a vice-presidential candidate that can differentiate between her own imagination and reality.

Fabricating stories is a bad habit of Joe’s. It’s not his weakness, though – his weakness is his amazing passion.

capitalist piglet on October 3, 2008 at 2:18 PM

…these sorts of detailed and bald-faced lies are predicated on the assumption that the peasants to whom they are told will be awed by the authority of the speaker, confused by the complexity of the lie’s circumstances, and too lazy to look up the facts for themselves….

…as late as the 19th Century, this would be universally true…as late as the advent of relatively cheap air travel and American military postings overseas this would be generally true…as late as Al Gore’s “invention” of the Internet this would be more often than not true…but today, with folks — bloggers especially — delighting to hear that the mighty have feet of clay, this is no longer true.

There are actually peasants with expensive educations…peasants with Internet connections…and peasants who don’t automatically do what their party ward healers and union shop stewards tell them to do….

…these are hard times for faux aristocrats….

Puritan1648 on October 3, 2008 at 2:23 PM

…these are hard times for faux aristocrats….

Puritan1648 on October 3, 2008 at 2:23 PM

The Aristocrats was an awesomely funny movie.

connertown on October 3, 2008 at 2:27 PM

The “troll signal” went out, and guess who answered….

If they win this election, they will try to shut this blog down, among others

Janos Hunyadi on October 3, 2008 at 2:09 PM

my my my don’t we think we’re important.

The simple fact is, Mr. Biden’s gaffe will not lose his party more than 0.5% of the votes they were already going to get. Is it too bad that he’s going to get away with a lie? Sure, but the American public isn’t voting on that issue, I don’t think that issue is very important to most American voters right now…and certainly not to the people who are going to vote for Obama.

I know the essence of the issue is electing someone who lies on a national stage and makes themselves seem more important than they are…but isn’t that what politics is really all about. If Palin HAD been able to call him out on this last night it would have been HUGE no doubt!

beefytee on October 3, 2008 at 2:30 PM

Did you notice how Sarah Palin immediately recognized this colossal gaffe, pounced on it, questioned Biden about it and showed the world her brilliant mastery of geopolitical facts?

Me neither.

Biden was the last to answer this question, and spoke for a long time, so that Palin didn’t have a chance for rebuttal before getting the next question.

But McCain should take note, and go after Obama on this during the next debate. When “we and the French” kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon? Tell that to the Israelis with Hezbollah rockets landing on their cities–the only people really fighting against Hezbollah!

Steve Z on October 3, 2008 at 2:30 PM

silverfox on October 3, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Janos Hunyadi on October 3, 2008 at 2:09 PM

I was here before it was HotAir.

right2bright on October 3, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Where do you get this idea? Because I point out where she could have done better? Do you think your the ultimate conservative because you won’t acknowledge where she was weak? Read any of my posts, I’m no troll. Get over yourselves!

kongzilla on October 3, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Mouth engaged, (humongous) brain not in gear.

fogw on October 3, 2008 at 2:32 PM

The plugs in his pate were taken from his ass, and once in place they grew a new ass under themselves.

Akzed on October 3, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Joe’s been hanging out with his pro-regime Iranian friends too long — the ones who put the idea in his head to send Iran $200 million after 9/11 — to show solidarity with our sworn enemies and all.

Between Obama’s wanting to sit down and talk with Ahmadwhosit in what he describes as that little country that’s not even close to getting a nuke, and Biden’s fractured history, you might begin to think that there’s some serious money to be made in buddying up to Iran while threatening Pakistan. And it’s all about the money.

Nichevo on October 3, 2008 at 2:54 PM

Is it possible Biden just misspoke and meant to say “Syria” instead of “Hezbollah”? Reread the sentence with the one change I made.

When we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah Syria out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, “Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don’t know — if you don’t, Hezbollah will control it.”

…and then look at this video from 2006 showing Biden talking to Larry King.

All of a sudden the whole thing starts to make sense…

factoid on October 3, 2008 at 2:54 PM

The trouble with the debates is that either party can say anything and few people know the truth.
All that counts is presentation, and appearance of believability in how they say it. The truth does not matter.

CNN had a running ticker on the bottom during the debates tracking people’s instant reaction to what was being said. Biden was saying lies and making up things, but the meter at the bottom of the page was showing positives for Biden.

I bet over half the audience watching the Biden/Palin debate were watching in the hopes something stupid would happen (Palin burst into tears or Biden make a sexual remark about Palin’s figure).
This debate will not hurt McCain, but it will help very little. McCain has made a fatel error; he used Palin to little and too late.

With a debate between Obama and McCain most people are just looking at the difference in appearance, how smoothly they talk and present themselves. What they say means nothing. Everyone either knows their positions or does not care. Unfortunately, McCain being older and with physical peculiarities does not win in the looks “cooler” department.

I would like to see a debate between Palin and Obama.
Bet Palin would win.

albill on October 3, 2008 at 3:03 PM

As long as the MSM remains firmly planted on their knees prostrate to The Messiah none of this or any other “fact/truth/principle” will matter. We have seen this time and time again and what has come of any of it…….hello McFly? The acceptance of perpetual victumhood as the result of our collective original sin (slavery) has blinded our ability to see the the empty suit for what he is and what he believes in, all we can see is his color. Please turn the lights out when you leave the room.

Healing you WILL feel!

dmann on October 3, 2008 at 3:10 PM

cornfedbubba
kongzilla

We’re getting astroturfed!
Seriously, where’d these guys come from all the sudden.

silverfox on October 3, 2008 at 2:06 PM

add manly rash to that as well. you know, the one who keeps calling for a civil war? and people keep agreeing with it? yeah, makes hotair look like a really rational place

funky chicken on October 3, 2008 at 3:14 PM

factoid, try reading Ed’s post:

Some people assumed that Biden meant that the US and France kicked Syria out of Lebanon, but Michael Totten — who has spent considerable time in Lebanon — doesn’t buy that explanation, either:

And did Biden and Senator Barack Obama really say NATO troops should be sent into Lebanon? When did they say that? Why would they say that? They certainly didn’t say it because NATO needed to prevent Hezbollah from returning–since Hezbollah never went anywhere.
I tried to chalk this one up as just the latest of Biden’s colorful gaffes. Did he mean to say “we kicked Syria out of Lebanon?” But that wouldn’t make any more sense. First of all, the Lebanese kicked Syria out of Lebanon. Not the United States, and not France. But he clearly meant to say Hezbollah, not Syria, because he correctly notes just a few sentences later that Hezbollah is part of Lebanon’s government. He wasn’t talking about Syria. He was talking about Hezbollah all the way through, at the beginning, in the middle, and at the end of his outlandish assertion.

funky chicken on October 3, 2008 at 3:17 PM

And Biden is the foreign policy genius Obama chose to shore up his weakness in that regard.

backwoods conservative on October 3, 2008 at 3:20 PM

Get over yourselves!

kongzilla on October 3, 2008 at 2:31 PM

You post like one, you get labeled as one.

If she had jumped on just this one gaffe, she would have seriously dented his foreign policy cred. I was so frustrated when she didn’t.

You pull out one instance of what you consider a “gaffe” and become so disappointed.
Meanwhile, she missed the opportunity to make sure all of her talking points are covered.
They go over, by priority, specific things they want in that 90 minutes. They are taught not to engage in something that may take too much time to explain. Better to give up a small nugget, if you can present a rock later on.
Many times a “gaffe” is a trap, the debaters know that. That is why they try to stay away from cliches, and direct attacks about something that is well known. Biden was waiting for her to use the words “maverick”, if to do over they would have not had her use those words and force Biden to make some leap of word faith. He had his list for when she had stated maverick a couple of times.
Benson did that to Quayle, Quayle had likened himself (age wise) to JFK. Benson baited him with the age issue, Quayle said he was older then JFK and out popped the famous line “I knew JFK, and your no…”
Many times a debater will let an issue go because they are told to. It is what you don’t say, rather then what you say, that wins most debates.

right2bright on October 3, 2008 at 3:42 PM

Joe Biden and anybody else who doesn’t know what happened in Lebanon or doesn’t understand this enemy we’re facing should read “Because They Hate” by Brigitte Gabriel.

Tony737 on October 3, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Did you notice how Sarah Palin immediately recognized this colossal gaffe, pounced on it, questioned Biden about it and showed the world her brilliant mastery of geopolitical facts?

Me neither.

factoid on October 3, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Somethings are so outlandishly fabricated that there is no way to respond.
“I broke the world record in the 100 m this morning.” Complete fabrication, but how would you respond to that in a debate where you can’t demand that I prove it?

Count to 10 on October 3, 2008 at 3:55 PM

cornfedbubba
kongzilla

I hate the smell of AstroTurf in the afternoon……….

“beefytee”, you write like a girl

“kongzilla”, I haven’t read every post for the past 2 1/2 years and don’t remember everything I’ve read, but I never heard of you. I don’t know who or what you are, and don’t care, but your comments on the debate have a bad smell

Janos Hunyadi on October 3, 2008 at 4:19 PM

I just assumed Biden meant southern Lebanon…

daledamos on October 3, 2008 at 4:20 PM

I’m not a foreign expert, but I knew that already & as I watched the debate, I noticed with amazement how Biden lied straight through his teeth. He’s a narcissist. They can lie to a lie detector & pass with flying colors.
Disgusting POS. I wish the majority of the American people would start looking this stuff up instead of depending upon AP,MSNBC,CNN,etc for their news.

Badger40 on October 3, 2008 at 5:21 PM

Just goes to prove Biden is a great Bull Shit artist. Like any con man, he comes across as knowledgable. It’s when you research what he’s said that you find it’s all shit.

GarandFan on October 3, 2008 at 7:07 PM

Medved was laughing his ass off over this on his show today. Hezbollah has been in Lebanon for over 25 years, uninterrupted. He couldn’t even imagine what Greasy Joe was trying to say.

Could he possibly have been referring to Israel’s scandalously unsuccessful one week skirmish in southern Lebanon? If so, then how does he conflate that to “the U.S. and France”? How did he twist his fevered imagination into believing that anyone kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, or any part of it?

This is the problem with a MSM where over 95% of the members are partisan Democrats; there isn’t anyone outside of the blogosphere to call him on this crap when he makes it up, and he makes it up all the time.

Jaibones on October 3, 2008 at 7:23 PM

right2bright on October 3, 2008 at 3:42 PM

Janos Hunyadi on October 3, 2008 at 4:19 PM

Wow, I make one comment about something Palin should have jumped on and I’m labeled a troll. You guys sound like whiny ass liberals.

kongzilla on October 3, 2008 at 9:46 PM

Did you notice how Sarah Palin immediately recognized this colossal gaffe, pounced on it, questioned Biden about it and showed the world her brilliant mastery of geopolitical facts?

Me neither.

factoid on October 3, 2008 at 1:46 PM

I don’t think that would be a reasonable expectation. Biden threw out way too many dubious claims. If Palin had challenged every one of them, she would have spent all her time arguing unproductively with Biden rather than making her own points. It would have come across as shrill.

Instead, she said at one point that there would be comments after the debate on how accurate his statements were, and she moved on.

I will say, though, that I would love to hear each fabrication challenged. One of the most irritating things about liberals and the MSM — but I repeat myself — is the way they turn untruths into things that “everyone knows.”

theregoestheneighborhood on October 3, 2008 at 11:23 PM

Looking at Biden’s picture, he looks like Max Headrooms in a way!

grapeknutz on October 4, 2008 at 12:17 PM