Krauthammer, Barnes: McCain’s going down
posted at 12:35 pm on October 3, 2008 by Allahpundit
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A progress report on where the conservative universe stands within the Kubler-Ross paradigm. The grassroots? Locked until election day in stage one. The big A? Mired perpetually in stage four (stage three isn’t available to atheists). Krauthammer and Barnes? Snug in stage five, no longer fearing the reaper. Their reasons are different — CK thinks America needs a break from drama and FB thinks it’s the economy, stupid — but the upshot is the same:
It’s time to start transitioning to Jindalmania.
In the primary campaign, Obama was cool as in hip. Now Obama is cool as in collected. He has the discipline to let slow and steady carry him to victory. He has not at all distinguished himself in this economic crisis — nor, one might add, in any other during his national career — but detachment has served him well. He understands that this election, like the election of 1980, demands only one thing of the challenger: Make yourself acceptable. Once Ronald Reagan convinced America that he was not menacing, he won in a landslide. If Obama convinces the electorate that he is not too exotic or green or unprepared, he wins as well…
Part of reassurance is intellectual. Like Palin, he’s a rookie, but in his 19 months on the national stage he has achieved fluency in areas in which he has no experience. In the foreign policy debate with McCain, as in his July news conference with French President Nicolas Sarkozy, Obama held his own — fluid, familiar and therefore plausibly presidential.
Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. famously said of Franklin Roosevelt that he had a “second-class intellect, but a first-class temperament.” Obama has shown that he is a man of limited experience, questionable convictions, deeply troubling associations (Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko) and an alarming lack of self-definition — do you really know who he is and what he believes? Nonetheless, he’s got both a first-class intellect and a first-class temperament. That will likely be enough to make him president.
For what it’s worth, not one but two righty bloggers have told me recently that if there’s any redeeming value to an Obama presidency, it’ll be along the temperamental lines Krauthammer suggests. As for Barnes, here’s the lay-up:
SPIEGEL ONLINE: Is there any way McCain can redeem himself?
BARNES: The bailout plan is probably going to pass on Friday. It might work for him that his imprint will be on it. But the economic crisis has probably doomed McCain’s campaign. Look at the polls: Obama is ahead now nationally and in most battleground states. It might not be fair. McCain tried to do something and now he’s getting punished for it. Obama didn’t do much. But politics is not always fair.
What about Maverick pulling a rabbit out of the hat and attacking Obama for the Democrats’ role in the Fannie/Freddie financial crisis? Ace is fantasizing but James Pethokoukis at U.S. News says it’s a pipe dream: Sources inside Team Maverick tell him that McCain has to step lightly on the CRA thanks to the left’s racial demagoguery and to the fact that it’s a complex economic issue and explaining complex economic issues isn’t his strong suit. Exit question: Er, at this point, what does McCain have to lose? How else can he make up four or five points in the national polls? Palin’s performance may help at the margin, but the CBS and CNN data wasn’t encouraging and people tend not to care too much about VP anyway. McCain’s got two debates left to diminish The One, but it’s hard to imagine what he could do or say at this point to give people a window onto Obama that they don’t already have. Presumably we’re in for a nonstop barrage of Wright/Ayers ads in the last two weeks before the election, but since he’s going to get demagogued for that anyway, why not focus on Frank, Dodd, and the CRA instead?
Update: Per Ace and Pethokoukis, Michael Barone wonders where Palin was last night on the Dems and Fannie/Freddie.
I have one major criticism of Palin’s performance. She failed to pound home one important argument that the McCain campaign has unaccountably failed to make. She did point out briefly that McCain sought in 2005 to impose tighter regulation on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and that Democrats opposed this Republican move. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac then proceeded to encourage the issuance of subprime and Alt-A mortgages, injecting toxic waste into financial institutions of all kinds. Politicians of both parties share responsibility for widening home ownership further than should have been done. But Democrats can be fairly blamed for failing to rein in Fannie and Freddie. Here the case is laid out by my American Enterprise Institute colleagues Peter Wallison and Charles Calomiris. And two British writers, former Chancellor of the Exchequer Dominic Lawson and the Times of London’s Gerard Baker, have done a better job on this issue than almost any of their American counterparts.
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Wells Fargo! Sorry.
upinak on October 3, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Stay and fight for the New Republic.
ManlyRash on October 3, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Now that I would like. I don’t think we’re going to get it though, I have severe doubts we’re headed into Great Depression II.
BY THE WAY!! Wanna hear something funny? Back in the spring and early summer, someone spraypainted “Great Depression II”, “Fall 2008″, and “Stop Fiat Currency” all over the bus stops around ASU. Now this happens.
COINCIDENCE OR CONSPIRACY???
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 3, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Look I like Charles a lot. I think he is brilliant, but as Rush said earlier this week I just disagree with his assessment. Beetle Bailey Barnes needs to retire. He came down here to speak at a Conservative group just prior to the primary being kicked off. He was so in the tank for McCain then and we booed him. He is NOT as Conservative as he should be or he has changed from the days he was more Conservative. These two are so entrenched in the Beltway that they cannot see US, you know the real people. They might be good at analyzing things, but analyzing the electorate is not something I would leave to the pundits without some reservation.
freeus on October 3, 2008 at 1:13 PM
jencab on October 3, 2008 at 1:05 PM
You are right, why am I getting upset by two more inside the beltway guys when I think all of them are clueless. I feel better now.
Cindy Munford on October 3, 2008 at 1:13 PM
I thought the fighting was happening in Texas?
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 3, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Why on earth would you worry about moving a mortgage?
Lost mortgage = free house
Chuck Schick on October 3, 2008 at 1:14 PM
I seriously don’t know if I can handle Barack Obama as my boss.
For what its worth, every drill weekend I hear a lot of the same concerns from my National Guard brethren. People are worried.
These aren’t political or ideological worries (and they aren’t political or ideological people, for that matter). These are regular folks who understand the military and the world from a realistic, pragmatic perspective.
They know one helluva lot more than Obama – and the average American voter.
And they are worried.
Al-Queda and China and Iran we can handle. A leader like that? That may be too much to ask.
How in the name of God can we, as a country, seriously look at someone with McCain’s massive experience and someone with Obama’s utter non-experience … and seriously choose Obama?
How? What other job could this happen in?
Is it too early to start drinking again?
Professor Blather on October 3, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Well Grue, that is wrong.. but Fiat currency is just our dollar system. I don’t see me paying someone gold peices for groceries anytime soon.
upinak on October 3, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Not all “fighting” involves guns.
ManlyRash on October 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Conservatives also need to stop pretending that pointing to CRA, failed attempts at reform during a period that the Republicans controlled Congress and the Presidency, or tapes of Dems defending FM&FM are silver bullets that McCain is confoundingly refuse to fire.
I won’t waste time with the Democrat counterarguments – though the McCain campaign would have to – but sooner or later an incessant emphasis on looking back will have to note that the GOP has had Congress for 12 of the last 14 years and the Presidency for the last 8. I know that governing is hard, that the opposition can stall needed reforms, and that Bush & Co had other priorities, but if the electorate is forced to make a bottom-line calculation on who’s most at fault, there’s little reason to think it’ll come out in a way we’d like.
This isn’t 1994. The electorate still thinks of the GOP as the incumbent party, and selling shared responsibility for the crisis is already tough enough.
CK MacLeod on October 3, 2008 at 1:17 PM
Chuck… here think of it this way.
Move Mortgage… still HAVE house. I asked for Wells because it was “Stable” and wasn’t being stupid or buying up the investments. And now they are taking on the crap banks…. I am NOT happy!
upinak on October 3, 2008 at 1:17 PM
I fully expect Hillary to whip the proof out of her purse any day now… “Oh look what I found!”
D2Boston on October 3, 2008 at 1:17 PM
If white women think McCain is racist they won’t vote for him.
aengus on October 3, 2008 at 1:17 PM
I thought it meant something like exaggerated credit or “obscene profit margins” (:P) but that makes a bit more sense. I’m not familiar with any organizations that want to get rid of the dollar system though. Anyone?
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 3, 2008 at 1:17 PM
Everyone needs to back off the ledge, we have 30 days until the election and two more debates to go. Forget what McCain will do, Obama can still commit a major gaffe, that will reinforce that he is not ready to lead. He is only up 5 or 6 nationally, that can be reversed.
Most polls show that 9 or 10 percent of the people are still undecided, they are still unsure of Obama, McCain simply has to do what he did after Obama’s EU trip. Define him as unprepared, come up with a theme and push it hard. Victory is still attainable.
Complete7 on October 3, 2008 at 1:17 PM
You know the yard sign thing. I had to make a trip to Washington State this week… At first I thought I saw what I expected–Obama signs… but then I started noticing more and more McCain signs. And I had to drive all over the state. From Sea-Tac over Stevens Pass, down to the Tri-Cities and then through Yakima back over Snoqualimie. There were at least as many McCain as Obama signs. And a lot for Rossi who is challanging what’s her name governer.
McCain still has a chance all over but he has got to move fast. Pin this stinking financial stuff on Frank and Dodd. Name names! Get rid of the guy in your campaign that is causing the problem! Obama does it all the time! Dump him!!! Point fingers.
If Obama just has to appear non-threatening. It shouldn’t be hard to point out that he is really a threat to everything! For instance why isn’t MO more worried about attempts to stifle free speech? Obama has a lot of problems! Scary Problems!
petunia on October 3, 2008 at 1:18 PM
This is so easy. Pethokoukis says:
Well doh…
There are two more debates and Ace’s suggested attack on Obama re Fannie and Freddie should start in McCain’s concluding summary where Obama has no opportunity to interrupt (or McCain can shout him down).
Then they can roll the TV ads for a solid week and see what the polls look like.
gh on October 3, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Touche.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 3, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Barnes, along with Bill Kristol, was one of the media shills who was cheerleading for McCain in the GOP primaries.
Don’t turn on your candidate, Freddie!
/Gosh, wouldn’t it have been dynamic to have had Romney/Palin 2008?
Marybeth on October 3, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Jesus Christ!!!
This is one reason Palin sucked last night. She didn’t tough on Dodd, Barney Frank, and this whole liberal policy that everyone that can fog a mirror should have a home loan. Biden spewed the BS that is was really Barry that was warning about Freedie and Fannie. Palin just stood there like a dope. Said nothing. Biden said that after Obama pulls off the biggest tax hike in history, we’ll just be going back to Reagan’s rates. Palin didn’t challenge. The list goes on. She would retort, “that’s not correct”, and then recite her script — often on another subject from the topic at hand!!!!
She did a little better at the end, but she fails overall. She could’a had a clear win challenging all the horsesh-t that blowhard was blabbing – not with the choir, but with independents. It doesn’t matter that [non-objective] conservatives think she won.
Most of the polls are saying Biden won, and the polls are correct.
Unless something big happens, the swing states we need will go Barry. :-(
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My band played that song better as well. BOC is just going through the motions it seems. I guess that’s what happens after the 20,000th performance.
toliver on October 3, 2008 at 1:20 PM
When times are that hard people become more conservative, there isn’t much choice. You have to be concerned with whats important and don’t have the time, energy, or patience for frivolous issues. The great depression from a moral perspective would be great for the nation, but I’m 40 and I really don’t like the idea of spending the rest of my life in abject poverty, so I’m torn on the issue.
DFCtomm on October 3, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Im not understanding. I was an IndyMac customer. Now Im a Chase customer. My mortgage got sold in the debacle, terms cannot change- its against the law. That shouldnt be a concern of yours.
Chuck Schick on October 3, 2008 at 1:21 PM
I hear it’s never too early. I don’t drink though so I might have heard wrong.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 3, 2008 at 1:21 PM
I stopped listening to The Beltway Boys when they (and Krauthammer) scoffed at the ‘wackos’ who were onto the drift towards the NAU. Elitists…Maybe they know something we don’t know, or perhaps they’re being paid to help bring McCain down. (Stranger things have happened on FNC.)
In CK’s article, he compares Barry to some statesmen and basically says: Obama is good enough, to run the free world.
I don’t get it. Maybe they are just tired of all the drama, but what makes them think that the drama will end under Obama? They haven’t seen nothin’ yet.
Mr Magoo: Last I heard, Wells Fargo is secure.
Christine on October 3, 2008 at 1:22 PM
23 1/2 here, and basically in the same position. It’s hard enough for my brother and sister-in-law to get work as it is. I’m lucky to have had the same job for the past 3, when it was originally just supposed to be a winter season temp job.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 3, 2008 at 1:23 PM
From the order…..
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 3, 2008 at 1:23 PM
There are only a few facts the unpolitical middle needs to know, such as:
1. The mortgage crisis is the result of no-doc, no money down loans, especially ARMs, made to unqualified buyers who are now defaulting
2. Liberals like Barney Frank forced banks to make these loans and prevented oversight legislation proposed by John McCain
3. Community activist organizations like Acorn lobbied Congress and made campaign contributions to Frank, Dodd and Obama to force the bad loans on banks and block every attempt at reform.
Mr. and Mrs. Sixpack are already beginning to get it. It doesn’t have to be complicated–we all know people who got mortgages they would never have gotten 20 years ago. Focus on the obvious,chat about it everywhere you go.
NellE on October 3, 2008 at 1:25 PM
I’m tempted too.
Perhaps a POTUS Barry will serve to show people how goofy liberalism really is. Jimmy Carter part deux.
I just hope he doesn’t F up Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran and our national security during his four years.
toliver on October 3, 2008 at 1:26 PM
Really? I saw some story about how this is all a fake crisis created to get Obama elected… Your story fits nicely with that conspiracy theory. I used to dislike conspiracy theories… lately I’m finding myself quoting them more often. I guess that means I’m a minority now.
petunia on October 3, 2008 at 1:27 PM
… Or, alternatively, if he F’s up bad enough we can cut him off early. Not the best plan, but meh.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 3, 2008 at 1:28 PM
We’re going to win because Obama can’t run for Prez?
Come on man, this is a fantasy.
toliver on October 3, 2008 at 1:29 PM
You and me both, ma’am. The more I see going on, the more I keep thinking, “This can’t be unintentional. It just can’t!!”
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 3, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Please don’t post that crap. Read it. It is not an order actually signed by a judge. It’s one page from a response filed with the court. The way that works is you send the court the reasoning why you think they should do something, and then give them an order to sign and date if they agree with you. The judge hasn’t done that.
Please do not link to things you haven’t completely read. It makes us look like Troofers.
The Monster on October 3, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Let’s hope the MSM don’t bayonette him this time.
Dan Collins on October 3, 2008 at 1:32 PM
And I’m not picking on you, Dr. Cwac; you’re just like the fifth person I’ve seen post that same link.
The Monster on October 3, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Hey Big A, way to ruin the cow bell.
KelliD on October 3, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Don’t fear the electoral reaper. What the heck, it’s Friday….
*says “F it!”, and starts drinking*
http://www.dunselreport.com/images/kirk-brandy.jpg
toliver on October 3, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Jindal? Palin.
Spirit of 1776 on October 3, 2008 at 1:34 PM
Greenspan’s policies didn’t have anything to do with it? He reduced the interest rate that fueled this crisis, and that reduction is what allowed the CRA and deregulation to do their dirty work. A sensible interest rate would have prevented most of this grief. Greenspan created a housing bubble to get us out of the bursting of the tech bubble.
DFCtomm on October 3, 2008 at 1:34 PM
This story has been developing slowly. But the document you have is not signed by the judge. Apparently it is what was presented to the judge from the Berg side of the case. What actually happens is still up in the air.
My guess… the judge will bury the case until after the election. Maybe we can get Obama impeached if he really travelled all over on an Indonesian passport but that would leave us with BIDEN as President. Yuk.
petunia on October 3, 2008 at 1:34 PM
Not until November. Delusional optimist ’til the end. :)
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 3, 2008 at 1:35 PM
You obviously do not live in Southeast Michigan. I live in Garden City and work in Southfield. Up until June I worked in Dearborn. On my travels to/from work in Dearborn, there have been houses and businesses with Obama signs since the Primaries. Since I have been traveling to/from Southfield for work, I have seen more and more Obama signs and many more Obama stickers on cars here. Until about a week ago, I had seen absolutely nothing – no signs, no bumper stickers – with McCain or McCain/Palin. Even the neighbors around me who had Bush/Cheney yard signs in 2004 have only put up Re-Elect Thaddeus McCotter to Congress signs, but no McCain signs.
This State is pretty much like Illinois. Whereas in Illinois, how Chicago votes determine the State, here how Detroit (SE Michigan) votes determines the State. SE Michigan is clearly in favor of Obama, especially with the majority Black community and huge Middle Eastern community in the Dearborn area.
While it was surprising and disheartening to read that McCain gave up on us here in Michigan, taking the demographics into account, I guess it makes sense.
Michael in MI on October 3, 2008 at 1:37 PM
That is the brief the attorney filed with the court. Counsel for both sides file the order they want the judge to sign. Counsel for Obama submitted an order stating [prarphrase] “You have no standing, Berg. We affirm the lower court’s dismissal of your suit. Go away now.”
I can hardly wait to see which version the judge signs…if you see a document with a judge’s signature on it, that will be front page news IF Bambi is ordered to produce an actual birth cert.
The interesting thing to me is to look at the supporting evidence attached to the brief…it is stunning that the MSM refuses to go with the story.
JustTruth101 on October 3, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Thanks for this information. I didn’t know this. Regarding the first paragraph, it seems like another example of McCain’s meatheaded selection of advisers. Davis is a lousy surrogate. I saw him during the convention; he doesn’t belong on TV. Nice to know he’s wounding McCain’s only hope.
That said, and regarding the second paragraph, the missing link for me is how did Frank or Dodd or both bottle up remedial legislation in those years when Dems didn’t control either house or those committees? I’m sure there’s an inside baseball reason, but McCain needs to flesh that out. If he can succintly connect those dots, I don’t understand why he cannot make Barney Frank and Chris Dodd his Willie Hortons. They’ll return to Congress from states that McCain won’t win and from voters who will retain them. A vote for McCain is a vote to neutralize Frank and Dodd and Fannie and Freddie and the likelihood that this will happen again.
The middle 20% is angry. Change, great. But we should be shooting for improvement. A vote for Obama means more of the same from Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. Expose their elitist social engineering. I cannot see two better Pillsbury-Dough-Boy targets for voter wrath. Pull the trigger, McCain, and harness it.
Heck, make it Palin’s responsibility to oversee these two unethical turds. She’s brand new, and her hands aren’t dirty. After the way she handled herself with Biden, can you envision the prospect of Palin being responsible for hounding Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. It will be like put those turds on legislative probation. What am I missing? People hate those two. Blacks aren’t going to vote for McCain anyway, and Hispanics will cheer the candor. Swing-state voters want an assurance that this isn’t going to happen again. They have no faith in any of the DC clowns. McCain and Palin offer the best hope, and Obama is interested only in a left-wing agenda, which we can’t aford.
BuckeyeSam on October 3, 2008 at 1:38 PM
If this comes to pass the real problem won’t be Obama as president…it will be that all three branches are led by liberals, and chances are they may have a super majority in the Senate.
That would be the real disaster, a complete melt down of our system…from healthcare, to fairness doctrine, to non investigation of dems wrong doings, to investigation of the Bush administration, to judicial nominees, I don’t think anyone but an extreme liberal will think this is good.
Chaos at the end of 4 years, total breakdown of our Gov. at the end of 8.
right2bright on October 3, 2008 at 1:40 PM
So, if Obama is not an American citizen, would they just leave the ballot unchanged, i.e., Obama/Biden? And would a majority vote for that ticket result in a Biden presidency?
Blake on October 3, 2008 at 1:40 PM
The Beltway Boys are Fred Barnes and Mort Kondracke. Kondracke is the more liberal of the two, although he is rather moderate. After the debate last night, Kondracke clearly stated that Palin had won the debate, and that the McCain/Palin ticket will probably gain in the polls due to her performance. If the liberal Kondracke thinks that Palin helped the ticket, why are “conservatives” Barnes and Krauthammer predicting that McCain will go down?
Sometimes “conservative” pundits are too smart for their own good. Didn’t we have Kathleen Parker last week say that Palin should take herself off the ticket for McCain’s benefit? After the VP debate, what is Parker thinking now?
What did George Will think of the debate, now that even Peggy Noonan has come around to Palin’s side?
Unless some of them might WANT an Obama presidency, so they can make lots of money writing articles criticizing Obama over the next four years. THEY would be rich, but not the rest of us poor slobs forced to pay Obama’s new taxes.
Question for high-falutin’ snooty “conservative” pundits: Did Sarah Palin seem like someone who has given up on her chance to be Vice President last night?
Steve Z on October 3, 2008 at 1:44 PM
Here in my neighborhood (Southern CA) many of the foreclosures are the result of people trying to “flip” houses but got caught in the vortex just as it started to swirl.
At any rate, I don’t see any extra shopping carts being pushed around the local strip malls.
I’m just sayin’.
pugwriter on October 3, 2008 at 1:45 PM
And compassionate conservatives have encouraged banks to give illegal aliens mortgages – affirmative action.
And McCain is for amnesty.
BowHuntingTexas on October 3, 2008 at 1:45 PM
That’s why we crucify Frank and Dodd from east coast liberal states for their failed social engineering. Swing-state women aren’t going to sympathize with them. Make sure to play up Dodd’s extraordinary conflict of interest in getting a below-market loan from Countrywide.
BuckeyeSam on October 3, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Don’t give up yet!! When Sarah heard Maverick was pulling out, she asked if she and Todd could go back and take care of it themselves.
BARRACUDA INCOMING!! :D
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 3, 2008 at 1:46 PM
I stopped paying too much attention to Barnes when he was for the shamnesty bill last year.
Krauthammer has been a bit of a disappointment lately. For some reason he’s got a wild hair stuck-up his arse towards Palin.
I believe they’re both wrong.
moonsbreath on October 3, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Sarah Palin said exactly this during the debate last night!
Steve Z on October 3, 2008 at 1:46 PM
From the 10-15 minutes I watched while waiting on dinner? No farkin’ way.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 3, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Not if he takes a page out of Jeb Bush’s playbook by decrying the “soft bigotry of low expectations”. By framing race in this manner (e.g. minority borrowers were ultimately set up to fail by lax lending guidelines), he preempts and juijitsus the issue before it can metastasize. Ideally, the CRA should have been decried as yet another example of the unintended consequences of well-intentioned (?) liberal identity policies.
Consider this my in-kind contribution, Team Maverick.
Kid from Brooklyn on October 3, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Pethokoukis:
Not sure that those are silver bullets we’re angry at McCain for not firing. It’s kind of, um, important to get the story straight in the minds of Americans, to try to retard the slide into socialism.
misterpeasea on October 3, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Without Greenspan’s %1 interest rate and it’s excessive duration none of the above mentioned could have happened. They could push minority home ownership, but without the sweet mortgage rate it couldn’t happen. If that weren’t the case then why did increased interest rates(teamed fuel prices) trigger the crisis.
DFCtomm on October 3, 2008 at 1:50 PM
Yes, I know. That’s why they might be “compassionate” but they certainly aren’t conservative. I have been saddened by this for a long time.
progressoverpeace on October 3, 2008 at 1:51 PM
That’s assuming those minorities don’t also include illegals.
McCain being for amnesty (and therefore, mortgages for illegals – the people he wants to make citizens and vote for republicans from now on) doesn’t work out too well.
BowHuntingTexas on October 3, 2008 at 1:52 PM
So did Luntz’s dunces in their focus group.
Look, I don’t know. But middle America doesn’t have a lot of sympathy for people who extended themselves on flips–let them suffer. And as for those who had NO business getting a home (as opposed to an apartment), I’ll bet many in middle America didn’t realize that it was going on. They’ll say, “I had to put 20% down, why not these people? Who allowed this to happen?”
Some people do have common sense. Make Palin the pitbull-watchdog for this. Do it now.
BuckeyeSam on October 3, 2008 at 1:53 PM
I am not a high-falutin’ snooty conservative pundit, nor do I play one on a blog. However, I must respond: Hearing Palin’s response to the news that McCain pulled on of Michigan was refreshing, i.e., that she and Todd would love to go to Michigan and campaign.
Blake on October 3, 2008 at 1:56 PM
If the credit mess and the bailout are on the front page by Halloween, I would be very, very surprised. If the Dems try to stretch it out that far, there is a danger that average people will look past the Dems’ bluster to see their real fault in the matter. And Republicans—remember we are dealing with gradooits ov da publik skrewls, mostly. If it involves lots and lots of money, like, you know, it must be, like, the Republicans’ fault like, you know.
So why should Mac get any more on the record than he already is on the matter? Maybe he’s just waiting for this to go on the down side of the news cycle.
Sekhmet on October 3, 2008 at 1:57 PM
pulled on = pulled out
Blake on October 3, 2008 at 1:57 PM
Regarding illegals getting mortgages
BowHuntingTexas on October 3, 2008 at 1:58 PM
The economic crisis was the perfect storm of several different decisions, and not just one. It was a relaxation of lending standards, the CRA, deregulation, and an excessive long duration of low interest rates, and that’s just the causes I have been able to find. It’s amazing we were able to screw up this badly without trying.
DFCtomm on October 3, 2008 at 1:58 PM
TNR and their fake-Iraq Kerryesque Beauchamp stories can kiss my *ss.
Spirit of 1776 on October 3, 2008 at 1:58 PM
I disagree. Housing prices would not have had as much upward pressure, but the misvaluation forced on the market would wreak havoc sooner or later, IMO.
Greenspan’s interest rate policies never sat well with me, but viewed through the lens that we have declared recessions to be nearly illegal, it was as all demanded it to be.
It would still be an exponential bomb, but the exponent would just be a touch smaller. In the end, I don’t see the difference.
The oil weapon having been used against us (with no response from our government, at all) was clearly the trigger that sent it all tumbling, but if not for that the problem would have grown even more and happened eventually, anyway, I think.
We were set on a path of financial self-destruction and I don’t think that there was any way off of it, given the priorities that were being served by our policies and laws. And they are still there, so I don’t see anything pleasant about how they are “tackling” this.
Oh well.
progressoverpeace on October 3, 2008 at 1:59 PM
All right, I’ll take my hits. Check this out….
Obama hires CAIR lawyer
Interesting……Why would Senator Obama seek out a CAIR lawyer to handle this complaint?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 3, 2008 at 1:59 PM
The bottling up was done by Paul Sarbanes in the Senate. he was chairman briefly and then ranking Democrat on the Senate Banking Committee. When Shelby brought up his bill in 2004, Sarbanes immediately introduced a weaker alternative and all the Dems on the Committee voted against Shelby’s bill. He knew he could not get 60 votes on the floor so it never advanced.
The House Republicans did not pass a bill, though they held some brutal hearings as we have seen. They were not going to piss off the Homebuilders and Realtors who were helping Fannie and Freddie because they were fueling the housing boom, and get tagged as racists who don’t care about affordable housing, in order to pass a bill they knew would be killed in the Senate.
So it is totally disingenous for Democrats to claim that Republicans had control and did nothing. They tried, they did not have 60 votes in the Senate thanks to Paul Sarbanes.
rockmom on October 3, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Blaming Greenspan for Fannie and Freddie giving and buying 100s of billions in 0% down mortgages to people with no documented income is like calling GM, Ford and Chrysler murderers because of fatal traffic accidents.
Chuck Schick on October 3, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Ha. Bush just gave praises to Barney Frank on the passage of the bailout.
Ha! Welcome to the USSA.
BowHuntingTexas on October 3, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Sorry, DF. My last response to this was off on a bit of a tangent. To be more direct, the absolute interest rate was not the determining factor, as I see it. The misvaluation would still subsidize and force the bad paper, and the threat to close lenders and brand them racists if they didn’t follow along meant that it would still be done as it was, no matter the absolute prices. It would have just been a little slower, I think.
progressoverpeace on October 3, 2008 at 2:06 PM
He may lose the election, however in the ensuing revolution that takes place, we will get to choose a President of The United States of America who is of sound Moral character and respecting of the constitution and understands the fragile nature of his position. Unlike the President of USSA who will align himself with domestic terrorists and racists alike, all the while playing minstrel to the chimes of self aggrandizing celebrities and tyrants.
Viper1 on October 3, 2008 at 2:07 PM
My take is that Obama spent months trying to convince voters that he was a safe choice as an alternative. The huge viewership of the VP debate tells me voters are now giving Palin the same opportunity. Time will tell if she passed the test.
Vashta.Nerada on October 3, 2008 at 2:07 PM
An it was not so much Greenspan’s rate reductions that fed the boom, as it was his too-fast ratcheting up of rates in 2004 and 2005 that fed the bust. The boom increased prices but people could still afford the mortgages in most markets. But when the rates started going up so fast, the builders and borrowers started pushing for more “affordability products”, i.e. loans that keep monthly payments low, at least in the short run. Builders had all this inventory and suddenly people could not afford to buy all these houses with a 30-year fixed rate mortgage anymore. That’s what fed the rise of pay-option ARMs, interest-only loans, and 2/28 and 3/27 ARMs. And because Fannie and Freddie started buying lots of these loans, they kept the boom going too long. The jacking up of rates by the Fed produced the exotic mortgages, and Fannie and Freddie buying them made them more popular and widespread.
rockmom on October 3, 2008 at 2:08 PM
I am not implying that the interest rate was the sole cause. I made my post in reply to other posts, and I was trying to show that there were causes they had failed to mention in their posts. I don’t assign all guilt to Greenspan, and I think it was a combination of bad decisions that merged to create a perfect financial storm.
DFCtomm on October 3, 2008 at 2:09 PM
That was my point. I must have not made myself clear. Wells Fargo was a sensible mortgage lender in spite of the temptations, and is now buying assets. Keep your WF mortgage where it is! My wife needs your support!
Mr_Magoo on October 3, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Obama is not going to win this election, McCain is going to lose it.
Palin/Jindal in 2012, baby. Palin/Jindal.
pabarge on October 3, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Up is down, down is up. Barney is a hero. The Constitution is in the corner wearing a dunce cap.
Mr_Magoo on October 3, 2008 at 2:12 PM
I don’t think the issue is that he’s a liberal, but that she’s an honest Christian… and he just has problems with that. It shows in his selection of news articles and commentary, and how he continually slights her for no real reason.
dominigan on October 3, 2008 at 2:13 PM
Thank you. I saw screw it start pointing fingers. McCain and Palin are the anti-Frank/Dodd. I see no other way.
BuckeyeSam on October 3, 2008 at 2:13 PM
And honestly, nearly all the times she should have attacked… were on issues where it was very apparent that the McCain handlers were muzzling her.
Switch the ticket and win.
dominigan on October 3, 2008 at 2:13 PM
How ’bout Palin/Palin ‘02?
Mr_Magoo on October 3, 2008 at 2:14 PM
How ’bout Palin/Palin ‘
0212?Mr_Magoo on October 3, 2008 at 2:14 PM
Mr_Magoo on October 3, 2008 at 2:14 PM
That’s what I don’t like about the bailout. In what fundamental way does it change the financial structure to prevent this from happening again? I can’t support any bailout that doesn’t address the underlying causes.
DFCtomm on October 3, 2008 at 2:14 PM
If this comes to pass the real problem won’t be Obama as president…it will be that all three branches are led by liberals, and chances are they may have a super majority in the Senate.
That would be the real disaster, a complete melt down of our system…from healthcare, to fairness doctrine, to non investigation of dems wrong doings, to investigation of the Bush administration, to judicial nominees, I don’t think anyone but an extreme liberal will think this is good.
Chaos at the end of 4 years, total breakdown of our Gov. at the end of 8.
right2bright on October 3, 2008 at 1:40 PM>>>>
Extreme liberals and world communists (I know, same difference)And that’s their plan.
See
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html
justincase on October 3, 2008 at 2:17 PM
I see your point about rates rising so quickly that builders are stuck with inventory that needed to be cleared and how that causes slack lending standards. I hadn’t thought of that so thanks for the insight.
DFCtomm on October 3, 2008 at 2:22 PM
None.
Yep. The only bright spot I see is that we’ve been given a little time (hopefully/optimistically a year, or so) to get ourselves in order. Time is very, very expensive, these days.
progressoverpeace on October 3, 2008 at 2:23 PM
You’re letting Obama get to you. That’s what he wants.
Come on, people! Heads up and march on!
misslizzi on October 3, 2008 at 2:27 PM
Progressoverpeace,
You have mentioned misvaluation twice, and I am not sure exactly to what you are referring. Are you talking about the detaching of housing prices from inflation, or the misvaluation of the securities these mortgages were bundled into?
DFCtomm on October 3, 2008 at 2:27 PM
The grassroots are in denial? Of what? Everyone I know is depressed about the choices, but in agreement that one choice — Obama — is totally unacceptable. That’s not denial. It’s acceptance of a rotten situation, up to and including the fact that McCain won’t put the blame for the economic crisis where it belongs. And it doesn’t take a advanced degree, or paid column inches by professional political writers, to figure out why that is.
Krauthammer and Barnes are in denial — of their punditry blinders that cut them off from any accurate perception of the common man.
Maybe there’s enough ill-educated and irresponsible idiots out there, including the homeless, the dead and the fictional characters of vote fraud, to put Obama in office — but it won’t be because the guy’s “acceptable” or “cool” to mainstream America, or because of what any pundits, including the perpetually cynical, depressed and despairing Eyeore, say.
Nichevo on October 3, 2008 at 2:29 PM
Did you hear that one and all?
Sink me.
Allahpundit has bewitched ManlyRash!
Tav on October 3, 2008 at 2:29 PM
I blame the Republican party for not having their $hit together in the primaries. If McCain represents the best the GOP can float out there, we disserve to loose.
If you look at all the political warts Obama has, he should have been easy to beat with a resonably good candidate. Unfortunately, the current lot of Republicans are all fairly empty wooden suits. I agree a winner needs the right temperment and the right personality. The RNC needs to be purged and new blood should pull the puppet strings.
McCain was a looser from the start with his amnesty meltdown performance. How can you get excited about someone pushing that rediculous agenda.
A winner needs chaaarrrrisma. McCain aint got it.
saiga on October 3, 2008 at 2:31 PM
The wildebeast effect. I can understand it with Allah Pundit because of his, er…, weakness. The rest of you are simply woosies.
Calm Before the Storm on October 3, 2008 at 2:32 PM
But Obama’s temperment is nothing like, say, FDR’s. Obama is merely weak, dressing it up as nuanced. He is weak and apologetic in his “statesmanship.” Global leaders will make mincemeat of him. (See Jimmy Carter.)
PattyJ on October 3, 2008 at 2:32 PM
or is that “wussies”? Make that “pussies”.
Calm Before the Storm on October 3, 2008 at 2:33 PM
Lets see. If Obama wins:
-expect “celebratory” riots in LA and Chicago. (Angry riots if he looses)
-Lots of little “Cuban missile crisis” all over the world. The not so bright ones will start them while Bush is still in office. Iraq will start making deals with Iran. Terrorists will increase attacks (better return on their “investment”). Russia will bush forward–maybe taking all of Georgia, maybe attacking someone else–and use energy to extort Europe.
-Iran will try to stall a US strike on their nuclear facilities until Obama takes office, and then use talks for extortion.
In general, we will have the world trying to take advantage of the newly weekend US (quite possibly smiling all the time).
And that is before Obama has a chance to actually mess anything up personally.
Count to 10 on October 3, 2008 at 2:38 PM
Apparently, McCain is going to talk only about earmarks, Obama’s raising taxes on people too many others don’t care about, and the surge.
What’s worse, he’s giving Barney Frank and Chris Dodd free passes. Yet he’s going to continue yammering about “reforming Warshington.”
It’s not enough. Wake me up when it’s over. Or, better yet, when the 2012 primaries get interesting.
BuckeyeSam on October 3, 2008 at 2:38 PM
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