Palin-Biden debate chat and commentary!

posted at 8:00 pm on October 2, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Tonight, Sarah Palin and Joe Biden square off at 9 pm ET for the only Vice Presidential debate for this election. Palin needs to convince American voters that she is up to the task of the second-highest position in the executive branch, while Biden has to avoid making any major gaffes that will force the national media to report them.

Can she do it? The Examiner’s Mark Tapscott predicts that Palin will prevail:

Call me a cockeyed optimist or a fool or whatever, but I predict Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will be the clear winner over Sen. Joe Biden in tonight’s debate between the vice-presidential nominees. Not because I think she’s a master debater – though she clearly has been underestimated in this department before – but because she possesses the one qualification nobody else on either ticket has – She’s not part of the Washington crowd.

I’m somewhat less sanguine than Mark, but willing to be proven wrong. I think both candidates will do well tonight. Biden’s already been through more than a dozen of these in this cycle alone, and he hasn’t made a serious mistake in any of them. His gaffes come in less-guarded moments. Don’t expect anything but a competent and sharp performance from Biden.

Palin will do very well indeed, and again the low expectations from recent media coverage will make it look even better. I don’t expect her to top Biden, but she really doesn’t need to do that anyway. If she comes across as confident, assertive, honest, and engaged, she will do fine — and in this debate the tie would be seen as a huge win for Palin.

I’ll be at Trocadero’s tonight, at the party for AM 1280 The Patriot, and won’t be live-blogging.  We will have a panel discussion before and after the debate, and I may try to broadcast through Ustream for the event.  Let’s see how that works, but don’t miss the live chat room!  Jazz Shaw of The Moderate Voice moderates the chat, and he does a great job riding herd on the conversation.  Be sure to register at Ustream to participate in our raucous live-chat sessions. (And if the log-in prompt doesn’t come up in the chat box below, use this link instead.)

See you at the debate!

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OT: O’Reilly goes nuclear on Barney Frank!!!! Coming up next on Fox.

Watch it!

carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 8:01 PM

O’Reilly screams at Frank calling him a coward. lol

carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 8:02 PM

Now when, exactly, will the spark be set off in the Palin Hindenburg? Five minutes in? Ten minutes? Thirty minutes? Place your bets.

ManlyRash on October 2, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Will Ifill ask Obama to sign her shirt?

I’ll be twittering the debate at twitter.com/WolkingsWorld if you’d like to follow!

WolkingsWorld.com on October 2, 2008 at 8:03 PM

I’ll be twittering the debate at twitter.com/WolkingsWorld if you’d like to follow!

no one cares about your blog

wise_man on October 2, 2008 at 8:04 PM

Is Bill O’Reilly screaming a headline or a general observation?

Bill reminds me of my late uncle, who I loved, but who would get pissed off and tell me to get out of his house when I disagreed with him. The more Ballentines in him the more likely he was to blow.

Mr. Joe on October 2, 2008 at 8:04 PM

Working Worlds–actually Ifill will ask Obama to sign her breasts.

Mr. Joe on October 2, 2008 at 8:05 PM

Is Bill O’Reilly screaming a headline or a general observation?

Shep showed a short clip from it and it was great. O’Reilly turned purple and Barney Frank was spitting profusely.

carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 8:05 PM

Biden thinks he is brilliant. I bet it doesn’t take long for Sarah to get under his skin. Then we will get treated to some new Bidisms.

huckleberryfriend on October 2, 2008 at 8:06 PM

The RNC needs to use that $66 million to carpet the airwaves with ads about Dodd, Frank, and co.

Mark1971 on October 2, 2008 at 8:07 PM

..Barney Frank was spitting profusely.
carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 8:05 PM

I hope O’Reilly was wearing his biological hazardous contaminant face shield.

wise_man on October 2, 2008 at 8:07 PM

53 minutes and counting people.

Geronimo on October 2, 2008 at 8:07 PM

I need some advice. I’ve been on a strict diet that requires no booze for the first two weeks, and I’m 12 days into it. With this debate coming up, Messrs Justerini & Brooks are crying out to me from the liquor cabinet, but in typical superstitious fashion, I have an irrational fear that breaking my dry spell will somehow affect Palin’s performance tonight. I feel like I need to be strong for her. Am I crazy or is it just the DT’s talking?

Dudley Smith on October 2, 2008 at 8:08 PM

I hope O’Reilly was wearing his biological hazardous contaminant face shield.

wise_man on October 2, 2008 at 8:07 PM
It was via satellite so O’Reilly was spared.

carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 8:08 PM

Biden will ask Gwen to stand up.

carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 8:07 PM

God bless ya, Gwen, what am I thinkin’?

Cicero43 on October 2, 2008 at 8:09 PM

Dudley Smith on October 2, 2008 at 8:08 PM

Drink, my friend.

carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 8:09 PM

Never can be too careful, carbon_footprint

Oopsie on the html. Have you started drinking before the debates start?

…… *thinking*

Should I be?

wise_man on October 2, 2008 at 8:10 PM

Alcohol!! The cause of, and solution to - all of life’s problems!!

wise_man on October 2, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Dudley Smith on October 2, 2008 at 8:08 PM

Don’t drink.

Spirit of 1776 on October 2, 2008 at 8:11 PM

The media hasn’t set low expectations. They have no expectations. They already know how it will end, regardless of what happens. Their columns are already written. Palin will have to be 100% unexpected and off-the-charts with zero mistakes or even hesitations to come out of this with even a 5% chance that they will rewrite those columns.

jimmy the notable on October 2, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Sarah, we’re behind you!

Cicero43 on October 2, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Should I be?

wise_man on October 2, 2008 at 8:10 PM

LOL I have only had a half of glass of wine.
I tend to be sharper when I am two glasses in!

carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 8:12 PM

Love the graphic.

Sarah Palin = the butt kickin’, but in the end pro-life Mad Max

Joe Biden = Blaster, the crowd’s favorite who turns out to be, let us say, mentally disadvantaged, and is dispatched not by Max but by….

Gwen Ifill = the corrupt, double dealing Aunty Entity with a large stake in Blaster’s victory

“Welcome – to another edition of THUNDERDOME!”

inviolet on October 2, 2008 at 8:12 PM

Alcohol!! The cause of, and solution to – all of life’s problems!!

wise_man on October 2, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Ah, back in the days when The Simpsons were still remotely watchable.

jimmy the notable on October 2, 2008 at 8:12 PM

GO GET ‘EM, SARAH!

TeeDee on October 2, 2008 at 8:13 PM

God be with you Sarah……

dec5 on October 2, 2008 at 8:14 PM

Tapscott :

Not because I think she’s a master debater…..

No. Don’t go there.

captivated_dem on October 2, 2008 at 8:14 PM

I need some advice. I’ve been on a strict diet that requires no booze for the first two weeks, and I’m 12 days into it. With this debate coming up, Messrs Justerini & Brooks are crying out to me from the liquor cabinet, but in typical superstitious fashion, I have an irrational fear that breaking my dry spell will somehow affect Palin’s performance tonight. I feel like I need to be strong for her. Am I crazy or is it just the DT’s talking?

Dudley Smith on October 2, 2008 at 8:08 PM

Following the accounting practices of Fannie and Freddie you may now pour yourself a tall one and enjoy it completely – even if you couldn’t possibly afford it.

turfmann on October 2, 2008 at 8:15 PM

Now when, exactly, will the spark be set off in the Palin Hindenburg? Five minutes in? Ten minutes? Thirty minutes? Place your bets.

ManlyRash on October 2, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Crach and Burn?

trailboss on October 2, 2008 at 8:16 PM

I need some advice. I’ve been on a strict diet that requires no booze for the first two weeks, and I’m 12 days into it. With this debate coming up, Messrs Justerini & Brooks are crying out to me from the liquor cabinet, but in typical superstitious fashion, I have an irrational fear that breaking my dry spell will somehow affect Palin’s performance tonight. I feel like I need to be strong for her. Am I crazy or is it just the DT’s talking?

Dudley Smith on October 2, 2008 at 8:08 PM

Stick with your diet. Celebrate with champagne in November.

(Ok, Manly, jump all over me with your pessimism…)

Y-not on October 2, 2008 at 8:16 PM

I feel like I am living in bizarro world with everyone talking about how horrible Palin was with Gibson and Couric yet Biden and Obama get passes with all their gaffes.

carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 8:17 PM

Ok…alright.

All set.

Hunkered down with MacBook in my lap.

Cold one next to me.

And my 61″ HD big screen cleaned off with FoxNews up.

Expect a lot of typos from me.

“LET”S ROLL PEOPLE”!

Over.

1GooDDaDDy on October 2, 2008 at 8:18 PM

The media lied about the first debate and I expect they will lie about this one. Maybe some media people need to “disappear”.

bill30097 on October 2, 2008 at 8:18 PM

I feel like I am living in bizarro world with everyone talking about how horrible Palin was with Gibson and Couric yet Biden and Obama get passes with all their gaffes.

carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 8:17 PM

It’s a liberal-controlled world where black is white, up is down and a blatant conflict of interest is not a conflict of interest but racism.

CanadianGuy on October 2, 2008 at 8:18 PM

Good luck Sarah

rsdm9154 on October 2, 2008 at 8:19 PM

NPR is asking everyone on twitter to tweet them if Palin or Biden say anything inaccurate. You just know they will be running to Gwen if anyone tweets something that Palin screwed up on. So if you twitter, go here and let them know when Biden messes up!

Follow me while you are at it.

Rightwingsparkle on October 2, 2008 at 8:20 PM

Is anyone going to be streaming video of the debate online?

DaveS on October 2, 2008 at 8:21 PM

carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 8:17 PM

Welcome to the Land of Obama where even conservative bloggers come to play. It’s full of unicorns and sunbeams. i think the people voting for Obama believed the Lucky Charms commercials of the 80′s and 90′s

unseen on October 2, 2008 at 8:22 PM

I am nervous for Palin.

jencab on October 2, 2008 at 8:22 PM

The debate won’t change any of the democrats minds.
Bob Hope had it right in his 1940 movie “The Ghost Breakers”.

WildBillK on October 2, 2008 at 8:23 PM

. i think the people voting for Obama believed the Lucky Charms commercials of the 80’s and 90’s

unseen on October 2, 2008 at 8:22 PM

What??? You mean…

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

trailboss on October 2, 2008 at 8:23 PM

Anyone seeing O’Reilly

CanadianGuy on October 2, 2008 at 8:23 PM

WOW.Bill O’ reilly is exploding.

anniekc on October 2, 2008 at 8:23 PM

Bill O. – 1

Bawney Fwank – 0

“OH YES! Want me to play it again for ya? Stop the B.S.! … Oh NO! It wasn’t YOUR fault! … You’re a coward!”

haha

Tony737 on October 2, 2008 at 8:24 PM

OT: NOW:
Oreilly to Barney Frank, “C’MON YOU COWARD! TELL THE TRUTH!”

NightmareOnKStreet on October 2, 2008 at 8:25 PM

Um, DUDE. O’Reilly is a little nuclear right now. It almost makes me like him.

sarahk on October 2, 2008 at 8:25 PM

Like Barney Fwank is going to “man-up”

anniekc on October 2, 2008 at 8:25 PM

Bill O is annihilating frank.

jencab on October 2, 2008 at 8:25 PM

The best line he said was “You’re blaming everyone else, but yourself.” and “Do you want me to read the transcript to you again.”

CanadianGuy on October 2, 2008 at 8:25 PM

Dang I’m nervous.

Theworldisnotenough on October 2, 2008 at 8:25 PM

Kick his Dhim ass Bill.

Over.

1GooDDaDDy on October 2, 2008 at 8:25 PM

I swear, I think these crazy assed Democrats actually believe their own lies!

anniekc on October 2, 2008 at 8:26 PM

I’ve never seen Bill so mad

tehd on October 2, 2008 at 8:26 PM

drink.

redrock on October 2, 2008 at 8:26 PM

Byeeeeeee Barny.

Over.

1GooDDaDDy on October 2, 2008 at 8:27 PM

I feel like I need to wipe Barney’s spit off my TV.

SCGOPgirl on October 2, 2008 at 8:27 PM

Frank called O’Reilly dumb and O’Reilly said, “You’re the brilliant man who presided over the biggest financial collapse in American history.” LOL

CanadianGuy on October 2, 2008 at 8:27 PM

HAHAHA – WAY TO GO, BILLY O.!

Tony737 on October 2, 2008 at 8:27 PM

“Oh.no, no no,” Sheesh what a tool Franks is!

anniekc on October 2, 2008 at 8:27 PM

Wow

Ronnie on October 2, 2008 at 8:27 PM

Frank is never going on BOR again!

rsdm9154 on October 2, 2008 at 8:27 PM

Ted Baxter beat-down for Frank!

common sensineer on October 2, 2008 at 8:27 PM

Thanks for the responses, I’m going to go face this one stone cold sober. She’s 5 years older than me but I feel like one of my daughters is about to go compete in the Olympics.

Dudley Smith on October 2, 2008 at 8:28 PM

I find I’m looking forward to this debate much more than McCain’s last week. Probably because, regardless of her recent interview performances, Palin is the only candidate in the race I actually like.

FloatingRock on October 2, 2008 at 8:28 PM

Now that is the O’Reilly I like.

jencab on October 2, 2008 at 8:28 PM

Barney: “You’re not going to shut me up!”

It’s hard to make an idiot shut up. :)

WildBillK on October 2, 2008 at 8:28 PM

Why does Barney Frank not invest in dentures?
Oh no, don’t answer that.
O’Reilly KILLED him!!!!!

carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 8:28 PM

I’m sure the leftards will say Barney won that exchange.

Say whatever else you will about Bill, he still gets his hackles up when he thinks somebody is trying to peddle a load of BS.

backwoods conservative on October 2, 2008 at 8:29 PM

Oreilly, “Yeah, Congressman Frank, you’re brillian. You’re the brilliant guy who presided over the worst economic disaster of our time, I’m the dumb one, right. But you’re brilliant…”

That’s foreplay for the real thing: the debate. Go do it, Sarah, BE SARAH!

NightmareOnKStreet on October 2, 2008 at 8:29 PM

yet Biden and Obama get passes with all their gaffes.

Great parody here from VDH:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZmU3YzIyZDU1ZTM2OTc1MTI0Mzc3Njc3ODFmYzZjNWY=

Fortunata on October 2, 2008 at 8:30 PM

Not a fan of O’Reilly, but once every 6 months or so he lays the lumber, and boy did he tonight! We need more of this – Congress is totally to blame on this FFM debacle. These jokers in DC were asleep at the wheel and refuse to accept any blame. Frank is a freakin’ coward. Frank is the epitome of what is wrong with Washington. Get this dickless elite out of there!

dugan on October 2, 2008 at 8:30 PM

NightmareOnKStreet on October 2, 2008 at 8:29 PM

Well you know how upset Bill gets when people wrong the ‘folks’. He’s looking out for us you know.
: )

carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 8:30 PM

that should be *brilliant. with a “t”. like me. nah.

NightmareOnKStreet on October 2, 2008 at 8:30 PM

Wow, that was pretty wild, even by O’Reilly standards.

Glad to see that fat little cartoon character freak get some grief…

Priscilla on October 2, 2008 at 8:31 PM

O’Reilly hit him with an iffy allegation when he should have had tape from the Franklin Raines hearing where Frank said we didn’t need more regulation. I think O’Reilly lost that round by not asking Frank the right questions.

Sue on October 2, 2008 at 8:31 PM

I hope Palin does better than O’Reilly with his out of control interview insane rant with Barney Frank.

That being said, how can anyone vote for Barney “Elmer Fudd” Frank, and complain about Sarah Palin’s speech?

Buy Danish on October 2, 2008 at 8:31 PM

About time Bill….open up a can of woop@ss on Bawnee Limp Fwank

ohiorebel on October 2, 2008 at 8:32 PM

The crazy thing is this is the first time ever that Frank’s had to be grilled about this on TV in evah!!

CanadianGuy on October 2, 2008 at 8:32 PM

Where has this Bill O’Reilly been? This is the guy I tuned into 4 or 5 years ago and loved.

jewells45 on October 2, 2008 at 8:32 PM

I’m tempted to go to the Factor web site and purchase some Factor gear … but I wont.

CanadianGuy on October 2, 2008 at 8:33 PM

he should have had tape from the Franklin Raines hearing where Frank said we didn’t need more regulation.
Sue on October 2, 2008 at 8:31 PM

Spot on. Was thinking that myself.

That being said, at first I thought Barney was about to walk off during the interview. The guy’s a wimp. I’m tired of our elected officials refusing to be held accountable.

dugan on October 2, 2008 at 8:35 PM

Head call…

Over.

1GooDDaDDy on October 2, 2008 at 8:35 PM

Sarah walked into the valley
With a inquisitioner there who wanted her head in her hand
She was only a girl, but she knew
Someone must take a stand
There will always be a valley
Always mountains one must scale
There will always be perilous waters
Which someone must sail
Into valleys, into waters
Into jungles, into hell
Ride Sarah ride, ride home again
With a story to tell

Tav on October 2, 2008 at 8:36 PM

I hope Biden talks about FDR and the Depression in 1929

rsdm9154 on October 2, 2008 at 8:38 PM

Man, Bill O’Reilly left a greasy spot where Barney Frank used to be.

Anyone notice how the Bush administration gets blamed, but Clinton sails away free and clear? And guess who was president when all this silliness started? Not Bush.

Terrye on October 2, 2008 at 8:39 PM

Bill lost that round for sure…so much more could have been said without totally losing his mind… too bad, i was hoping for more.

kareyk on October 2, 2008 at 8:39 PM

I don’t have a TV in the same room with my computer and I am too damn cheap to buy a laptop. So I will have to leave. Let’s hope Sarah does well. I would like to see her do a good job just to shut up some of the nasty people.

Terrye on October 2, 2008 at 8:40 PM

Tav on October 2, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Spectacular!!!!

kareyk on October 2, 2008 at 8:41 PM

Bill lost that round for sure…so much more could have been said without totally losing his mind… too bad, i was hoping for more.

kareyk on October 2, 2008 at 8:39 PM

You don’t blame Barney Frank for any of this Fannie/Freddy crap?

Ronnie on October 2, 2008 at 8:42 PM

here is what gov Palin needs to say after the first biden answer.

Senator with all due respect, I and the rest of the Americian people are tied of people evading the question. In this time of economic crisis with people losing their life savings, the people demand answers not spin. Would you please answer the question that was just posted to you.

unseen on October 2, 2008 at 8:42 PM

I hope Biden talks about FDR and the Depression in 1929

rsdm9154 on October 2, 2008 at 8:38 PM

When the economy arises, Palin needs to say that she and McCain are going after the DC insiders who are dripping in conflicts of interests such as Dodd’s below-market loan from an entity over which his Senate committee has oversight. She should then turn to Ifill and point out that these are conflicts of interest quite like Ifill’s conflict of interest in moderating a debate in a campaign in which she has a direct financial interest.

BuckeyeSam on October 2, 2008 at 8:43 PM

A vote for McCain and Palin is a vote against Barney Frank and Chris Dodd (who won’t get voted out by their own constituents). McCain should have been making this point for the past three weeks.

BuckeyeSam on October 2, 2008 at 8:45 PM

Ronnie,

Of course Frank is to blame. O’Reilly left so much on the table and hit him with something that really seemed iffy to me. Anyone buying stock in FM/FM on the word of Barney Frank in July 2008 should have lost their shirt. However, Frank sitting there claiming he brought regulation the first chance he got is a flat out lie and O’Reilly let him get away with it. O’Reilly should have just borrowed the video circulating where every democrat said FM/FM was just fine.

Sue on October 2, 2008 at 8:45 PM

karey:

I don’t think so. Those hearings went on for years and there were always a bunch of Democrats there to block any attempt at reform. Even when they did not have a majority, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was their baby, and in the 90s they had Bill Clinton on their side. As early as 2003 Bush was trying to get Fannie Mae oversight over to the Treasury Department and Barney Frank told him Fannie and Freddie were doing just fine. Ofcourse that is the year Raines stole all that money by creating bonuses for himself.

This is one of those stories that can’t be told in one sitting on O’Reilly.

Terrye on October 2, 2008 at 8:45 PM

Well Bill did manage to say Frank was a coward and a liar but the substance of the exchange was rather uninformed. What about the reform packages the Republicans tried to pass in 2001, 2003 and 2005?

JonPrichard on October 2, 2008 at 8:46 PM

Ronnie on October 2, 2008 at 8:42 PM

OMG are you kidding?!! of course I do, I blame ALL of the effing libs on that committee but I think Bill could have hammered home so much more if he hadn’t lost his cool. There was alot more to be said and shown about all of their comments. but when he lost his shit, he forgot all about those other points. i’m just sayin’

kareyk on October 2, 2008 at 8:46 PM

unseen:

That is good.

Terrye on October 2, 2008 at 8:46 PM

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