Open thread: Armageddon
posted at 8:27 pm on October 2, 2008 by Allahpundit
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While we wait for the main event, “enjoy” the last installment in her series with Couric. They saved a doozy for the finale.
Game face!
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trailboss on October 3, 2008 at 12:25 AM
I doubt it, I bet she thinks he is truly a hero and he has given her a national platform. What is not to like about that?
Cindy Munford on October 3, 2008 at 12:30 AM
Joe “Walter” Biden is a loser!
eigafan on October 3, 2008 at 12:31 AM
One lie on a list noted something that confused me when I first heard it from Biden:
Biden said that an average family would have their taxable income increased about $12,000 if the cost of employer-provided health insurance premiums are included in income. He said that’s not offset by McCain’s $5,000 tax credit. Actually, it’ll probably be a wash. The income would be subject to tax, but what’s the rate? It could be one of the 38% of households that pays no tax. So, estimating that the income would be subject to income tax at 15%, that’s additional income tax of $1,800 which is offset by the $5,000 tax credit–and, indeed, may be refundable too.
I conclude that Biden’s mere comparison of $12,000 to $5,000 is intellectually dishonest. He’d be okay if the $5,000 were merely a tax deduction (reduces taxable income) rather than a tax credit (reduces tax payable).
Biden needs a tax lesson.
BuckeyeSam on October 3, 2008 at 12:31 AM
I hate to say it but rolling facts get lost on the public like an insurance seninar. They’ll think the same thing they said about McCain during the first debate. Not as engaged with the audience or American People. I don’t think McCain was as bad, but I think the comparison is the same. ANd it shouldn’t be that way, it should be true facts presented in an intersting way, but come sundown tomorrow, America will be back on the bus with the Sarah-Cuda hype.
Hey, I’ll take it.
hawkdriver on October 3, 2008 at 12:31 AM
Post of the day. Pwned.
nickj116 on October 3, 2008 at 12:32 AM
You may be right about her thinking. She doesn’t know enough about him, then.
trailboss on October 3, 2008 at 12:33 AM
I emailed them too. Her potential monitary gain should have disqualified her IMO.
If I could I’d have filled Sarah’s hotel room up with flowers. She deserves it!
Domino on October 3, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Can we get Sarah to debate Obama??
Pleeeease????
JellyToast on October 3, 2008 at 12:34 AM
I liked how Palin called Biden a liar by referring to the way things are in DC.
By the way, are Americans sitting around the kitchen table looking to DC for help? After this past three weeks, does anyone want Barney Frank and Chris Dodd and Reid and Pelosi doing anything for them?
For starters, I want those people completely out of my life.
BuckeyeSam on October 3, 2008 at 12:36 AM
Domino on October 3, 2008 at 12:34 AM
It was a great night and I hope the allow her to go out to the American people, that’s her strong suit.
Cindy Munford on October 3, 2008 at 12:36 AM
It’s PC to be that way for both of them. The media has made it a litmus test in the way people discuss them too. But I think history will judge them differntly when the world truly understands the what was at stake in this century with militant radical Islam. To our POTUS and VPOTUS this war is the issue of their administration. And God Forbid Obama gets in power and gets the daily SITREP from OEF and OIF, he’ll change his tune too.
hawkdriver on October 3, 2008 at 12:38 AM
What ever happens Sarah, We effin’ love you man.
ronsfi on October 3, 2008 at 12:39 AM
hawkdriver on October 3, 2008 at 12:31 AM
I don’t think I phrased that very well. Most of the pundits that critique the debate when it is over are the insiders, I think they just gravitate to Sen. Biden because he is one of them. Folks in Australia are probably more like the average American person sitting in their living room wonder what in the world that man is babbling about.
Cindy Munford on October 3, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Or at least coach McCain.
“Come on now John, you got to hit em hard on yer record, you can do it there ya know.”
hawkdriver on October 3, 2008 at 12:41 AM
Something got lost in translation.
trailboss on October 3, 2008 at 12:42 AM
Naw, I got ya Cindy. I might not have said it right but I was agreeing with you.
hawkdriver on October 3, 2008 at 12:43 AM
BuckeyeSam on October 3, 2008 at 12:36 AM
That’s the line of attack I would take. I wrote a letter to the editor of our paper early this evening about Gov. Palin being described as out of her league. I wondered which league she was suppose to aspire to, the financial wizards, the brain trust in Washington or the media who weekly give us some new end of the world disaster that is never what they portray?
Cindy Munford on October 3, 2008 at 12:43 AM
2112 comments. Time for a Rush reference.
Mark1971 on October 3, 2008 at 12:44 AM
lol, I think that Fargo “Ya Know” is going to be in my lexicon for the next week of so….
Ya Know!
hawkdriver on October 3, 2008 at 12:44 AM
Did anyone notice that when Palin and Biden went down after the debate and spoke to Ifill… she seemed cordial but dismissive to Palin but I could swear she said “You did really well” to Plugs.
I may be mistaken and my disgust with Ifill may be getting the best of me…
Can anyone else confirm this?
Damiano on October 3, 2008 at 12:46 AM
Anyone see that little blond angel on with Greta in St. Louis. Wow.
Jaibones on October 3, 2008 at 12:46 AM
Mark1971 on October 3, 2008 at 12:44 AM
I think it was at the beginning, pre debate warm ups.
Cindy Munford on October 3, 2008 at 12:48 AM
I was at Trocadero’s in DT Minneapolis for a live broadcast of the debate, hosted by Captain Ed. Who would have thought this kind of thing could work in a bar?
My summation of the night?
Sarah walked in, locked the door behind her.
Joe swallowed hard, and muttered, “Oh, shit.”
NoamSayin on October 3, 2008 at 12:48 AM
I couldn’t make out anything over Palin’s loud thank you’s. Her mike was still hot and blasting her voice. Maybe it was the CSPAN feed.
trailboss on October 3, 2008 at 12:48 AM
OMG, I just saw the rerun of the ass whooping Bill O’Rielly gave Barney Franks. I’m not sure he liked it as much as he normally does when he goes to Philly.
hawkdriver on October 3, 2008 at 12:49 AM
‘Franks in Philly.’ Sounds like a party!
trailboss on October 3, 2008 at 12:51 AM
hawkdriver on October 3, 2008 at 12:44 AM
Interesting article in the headlines from Politico. The author thought Sen. Biden’s best line was about their campaign helping the average family. I don’t know if it’s my age or what but I agree with Buckeye, I want these folks to get out of my life.
Cindy Munford on October 3, 2008 at 12:51 AM
Yup, heard all that. I was waiting for the whole thing go up in flames if she blurted out, “So, how do you like me now, Ya know?”
hawkdriver on October 3, 2008 at 12:52 AM
NoamSayin on October 3, 2008 at 12:48 AM
Do you mean that people sit around a bar and blog?
Cindy Munford on October 3, 2008 at 12:52 AM
ICAM
That mush mouth needs to be kicked out of town and he needs to take Dodd with him.
Domino on October 3, 2008 at 12:53 AM
Ice that cake! LOL.
trailboss on October 3, 2008 at 12:53 AM
LOL
You my friend owe me a screen.
hawkdriver on October 3, 2008 at 12:53 AM
Damiano on October 3, 2008 at 12:46 AM
I didn’t see a lot but it appeared as if Ms. Ifil apologized for not getting up to shake hands and Gov. Palin was trying to assure her that she was aware of her ankle and was very sympathetic.
Cindy Munford on October 3, 2008 at 12:54 AM
The Fox broadcast had both mics still up.
Maybe I am not overreacting.
- MM has it as 6:1 letting Joe rebut things (I wasn’t keeping score, but it sure seemed lopsided)
- Definitely some loaded question with a negative pretense taken strait from the moonbats.
- There was the one question to Joe that openly praised him (need to look back at the transcript for the actually wording) but it was nearly straight out of some of the jokes posted- “Senator, how is it that you are so awesome and your running mate is a divine gift to our nation? Governor, how is it that an inept bumkin like you get’s hitched to an old fossil that will likely drop dead in the next 10 minutes?)
Damiano on October 3, 2008 at 12:56 AM
Where did she get that accent? Born in Idaho (greatest state in the union) raised in Alaska, sounds like she’s come straight from the Minnesota State Fair.
trailboss on October 3, 2008 at 12:56 AM
Wow. 22 pages of comments here. Why is that we wonder? There is this fleeting hope for the country kind of percolating out there. Yes its republican but mostly its free markets and happy warrior and winning real wars. We have a standard bearer for our party now. We did before but she was getting filtered like a repackaged Camel. I’ll vote for her and fight for her wherever I can . . . in this election or the next, in this life or the next.
JonPrichard on October 3, 2008 at 12:57 AM
Sarah Palin has just shown us why she is qualified to be President of the United States.
She just played the Obama/Biden campaign, the MSM, and the DNC like a fiddle.
They took the bait, to the point where the Biden debate strategy was to go after McCain and take it easy on Palin.
She completely led them to underestimate her, even after repeated warnings not to, (even once from Bil Clinton), and then she destroyed him.
Now, that is the kind of woman I want running foreign policy.
Saltysam on October 3, 2008 at 12:58 AM
Same here Cindy. I’m getting ready to retire from the military in June next year. I want two things from my government.
1. I want them to see this war through to the end in both Iraq and Afghanistan so we’re not attacked anymore and the 14 folks from my brigade haven’t died for nothing.
2. I want to open a small business that isn’t hampered in an already shakey economy with a bunch of new taxes, more entitlements than we can pay for and enviromental regulations that don’t give even the first consideration to how badly business can be affected by bad ecology protection legislation.
Pretty much like Sarah said, win the war and get the fusk out of my way.
hawkdriver on October 3, 2008 at 1:00 AM
can’t pay for,
time for bed
hawkdriver on October 3, 2008 at 1:00 AM
Not sure if it’s been said and I ain’t going through all 22 pages…
I have 1 disappointment: Ifill tossed up a perfect set up for Palin to blast Congress for it’s utter failure to deal with the Fanny/ Freddy, but pawned it off on Wall St. initially and in the 1st redux. Later she came back to tying in Congress some, but I think that the McCain camp missed an opportunity there.
Damiano on October 3, 2008 at 1:01 AM
That’s where they say she got it. But I screwed that up, you have to throw the don”t in there.
Don’t cha know?
hawkdriver on October 3, 2008 at 1:01 AM
I think she destroyed only from the base’s view. She did okay. In foreign policy, who is the base to play to?
trailboss on October 3, 2008 at 1:02 AM
Aye.
trailboss on October 3, 2008 at 1:03 AM
I did. Wow is right.
I hope my wife’s not reading.
John on October 3, 2008 at 1:03 AM
That softball has been tossed to them both so many times, I’m pulling my hair out. By this time, I’m convinced they think it’s too politically charged. Or they’re waiting for teh right time because they think it’s too politically charged until the bailout is done.
hawkdriver on October 3, 2008 at 1:04 AM
hawkdriver on October 3, 2008 at 1:00 AM
All these posts made me think that Gov. Palin would be someone that would make sure our service folks didn’t die in vain. I know that my husband was pretty angry when Saigon fell. Do you know what kind of business you want? One of our kids is a part time rock star and we have toyed with idea of opening a bar as a live act venue. But that is a hard business to keep going. Weird hours to.
Cindy Munford on October 3, 2008 at 1:07 AM
Ace has a theory… I hope he’s right.
Damiano on October 3, 2008 at 1:08 AM
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081002/D93IBBAG0.html
This truly is a night of rare sagacity for the hawkster. I was commenting on these pampered punk at the “Don’t Vote” thread. Geez, how rich do you want to be? I think it’s time for an entertainment rebate. And on that OT comment, I’m ejecting myself.
Nite All.
hawkdriver on October 3, 2008 at 1:09 AM
John on October 3, 2008 at 1:03 AM
How can you talk about another woman that way?!?! That is soooo disrespectful to Sarah.
Even my Dem husband thinks Palin’s hot (and frankly, so do I).
Laura in Maryland on October 3, 2008 at 1:09 AM
Damiano on October 3, 2008 at 1:01 AM
I agree with Hawk, until the bailout bill, oh, excuse me, the rescue bill is passed and signed everyone is minding their p’s and q’s. I am not sure if Sen. McCain will go after them even then and it drives me crazy. Either Gov. Palin will or the 527’s are going to have to crank some ads.
Cindy Munford on October 3, 2008 at 1:10 AM
Art Studio. Military figurines. What I did all these years after we got back to the FOB from our flights.
Nite again.
hawkdriver on October 3, 2008 at 1:11 AM
I know about the crazy. I finally get over the MDS and hop on the straight talk express with my pompoms, and he stands by and let a bunch of punks take it to the chop shop.
It is killing me. I remember the Carter years (been 29 awhile). I just see another Carter term in our futures if McCain doesn’t start fighting back HARD.
Laura in Maryland on October 3, 2008 at 1:15 AM
i never had a doubt!,..win lose or draw,…sarah is what my family defines as,AMERICANA!….our values, our hopes and our dreams,..the way we live our lives!…its no secret, we love this way of life!..sarah is just an extension of our family,..that happens to have the gravitas to speak for the rest of us!
Bluestate_Blues on October 3, 2008 at 1:16 AM
Did anyone notice that when Palin and Biden went down after the debate and spoke to Ifill… she seemed cordial but dismissive to Palin but I could swear she said “You did really well” to Plugs.
I may be mistaken and my disgust with Ifill may be getting the best of me…
Can anyone else confirm this?
Damiano on October 3, 2008 at 12:46 AM
I saw and heard the same thing. You are completely correct.
It reinforced my disgust for eyefull.
BTW, I was also noticing that ifail seemed shocked that a young white woman could come across so aggressively to a democratic senate insider.
I bet she thought Gov Palin was a little to uppity.
winemkr on October 3, 2008 at 1:17 AM
Moscow, Beijing, Pyongyang, Tehran, Damascus, Caracas, etc.
We can argue all night long down here if you want, trailboss, but we should leave affairs of state to people like Palin.
Saltysam on October 3, 2008 at 1:17 AM
Laura in Maryland on October 3, 2008 at 1:15 AM
Boo, the Carter years. I did the double nickel thing on Sunday, so I remember them well. And worst than that, he’s the gift that keeps on giving. Habitat for Humanity is the only nice thing I can say about him.
Cindy Munford on October 3, 2008 at 1:18 AM
winemkr on October 3, 2008 at 1:17 AM
Don’t you just hate uppity?
Cindy Munford on October 3, 2008 at 1:19 AM
Somebody needs to go to the Home Depot near Biden’s house and ask employees how often they see him there.
Mark1971 on October 3, 2008 at 1:21 AM
Cindy Munford on October 3, 2008 at 1:18 AM
You mean Lean-To’s for the Lazy. I have to give him credit there too. At least Habitat has made many a crunchy, drum-circle, unwashed hippie do an honest day’s work.
Laura in Maryland on October 3, 2008 at 1:22 AM
Mark1971 on October 3, 2008 at 1:21 AM
Are you talking about the legal employees inside or the undocumented workers outside?
Laura in Maryland on October 3, 2008 at 1:23 AM
Mark1971 on October 3, 2008 at 1:21 AM
Yeah, I loved that, “I spend a lot of time at home depot”
That’s got go down as another classic Biden lie.
Saltysam on October 3, 2008 at 1:24 AM
Joe Biden is Sam the Eagle
jediwebdude on October 3, 2008 at 1:24 AM
Cindy Munford on October 3, 2008 at 1:18 AM
Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday dear Cindy,
Happy birthday to you!
Laura in Maryland on October 3, 2008 at 1:25 AM
Damn skippy it is! I’m in the south east portion of the state and she comes from up north. It’s a different, and more rugged breed up there. But I think she did most of her growing up in Alaska.
csdeven on October 3, 2008 at 1:27 AM
Laura in Maryland on October 3, 2008 at 1:22 AM
I started to say something even uglier about mortgages on those homes but thought that would probably use up by nasty quota for the day.
Cindy Munford on October 3, 2008 at 1:28 AM
Back by popular demand:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quvBbcFDPI0
Enjoy!
Sapwolf on October 3, 2008 at 1:29 AM
Laura in Maryland on October 3, 2008 at 1:25 AM
Thank you, thank you. I need to go to bed. Great night. Thanks to all.
Cindy Munford on October 3, 2008 at 1:29 AM
It’s after midnight, so we start over at zero.
Laura in Maryland on October 3, 2008 at 1:30 AM
Maybe the same people that were handling Sarah during the Couric fiasco are the ones handling senator McCain? Maybe they should just let John be John?
csdeven on October 3, 2008 at 1:31 AM
Yay, she didn’t suck. Let’s celebrate.
Oh, yeah, neither did Biden.
Like it or not, and I don’t, it’s a tie.
SouthernDem on October 3, 2008 at 1:34 AM
csdeven on October 3, 2008 at 1:31 AM
You are dead on. 70% of McCain’s appeal is his personality (the rest of it is Obama being Marx). Even when McCain had me spitting nickels, I still respected him.
Get him out there and let him speak from the
heartspleen.Laura in Maryland on October 3, 2008 at 1:36 AM
Making the rounds? It must suck to show up to a party after everyones showered, brushed their teeth and are heading to bed.
Nite…
Oh, BTW Fusk you!
hawkdriver on October 3, 2008 at 1:39 AM
The entire lot of McCain camp handlers are f***ing worthless. I was leery about McCain early on in the primaries, but he swung me on board during a CSPAN aired townhall and radio interview during the primaries.
As soon as he won the primary, however, they have over-scripted the snot out of him. The speech he gave in front of the green screen on the night Obama declared himself the primary winner by adoration was an atrocity… and they have not improved. Palin came out and they sucked the life out of her as well.
She and McCain hit it out of the park without fail as soon as they drop the talking points. McCain should ditch his entire handler and speech staff and stick with plain Straight Talk for the rest of the campaign.
… and they need to unload on the do nothing Dems and Fanny/ Freddy.
Damiano on October 3, 2008 at 1:40 AM
Sarah smile.
Thanks once again.
Travis1 on October 3, 2008 at 1:41 AM
I have to give his handlers one little bit of credit. McCain won me late. I can’t remember which PAC or meeting it was, but Guliani endorsed the guy (Fox carried it, of course). McCain looked like a whooped puppy, and he said something like, I get it , you’re not a bunch of bigots, you just really like law and order.
He looked like someone took him in a windowless room with a telephone book. I think Guliani knows people who know people, but someone definely smacked McCain around about his amnesty plans.
Laura in Maryland on October 3, 2008 at 1:47 AM
Without a doubt that’s what she said. I looked at my husband and asked him if he heard the same thing I just heard. It’s moments like that I’m so glad for my TiVo. I hit rewind and played it again. Sure enough that’s exactly what she said. My husband thinks she was getting facial cues from Biden to cut Palin off too. I’m not so sure that she wasn’t just ready to cut her off anyway.
mauioriginal on October 3, 2008 at 1:52 AM
Sarah Palin:
Joe Biden:
Seven Percent Solution on October 3, 2008 at 1:56 AM
Nah, had a little get together where I was the only one defending Palin.
Fu*k you back.
SouthernDem on October 3, 2008 at 2:02 AM
Please upload the “you did really well” comment to youtube somehow!
MarcusBrody on October 3, 2008 at 2:09 AM
Not only did Ifill say that, but she then met Biden’s wife and said on C-Span, to a full mic “It’ great to finally meet you”.
Entelechy on October 3, 2008 at 2:11 AM
You guys must have some super sensitive hearing I don’t have.
And so what if she said that to Mrs. Biden?
Good Lord.
SouthernDem on October 3, 2008 at 2:18 AM
LAST!
reliapundit on October 3, 2008 at 2:24 AM
You REALLY want the GOP to lose the entire conservative base?
The only time we are even slightly happy is when John ISN’T John.
LegendHasIt on October 3, 2008 at 2:24 AM
Ummmmmmm no questions on the impact of illegal aliens or the ill effects of “social engineering” gone awry……..?
How about accountability for those who caused our current “crisis”, don’t they need to testify under oath?
What, no “naming of names” that John McCain promised to do with pork filled bills like the current “Financial Bailout Plan”?
Seven Percent Solution on October 3, 2008 at 2:34 AM
She said at the beginning of the debate.
Sah addressed him as Senator Biden….. never once as Joe.
She won…. I watched it twice…. SHE WON….. !!!!!!!
We got the wrong guy on the ticket…..
Kini on October 3, 2008 at 2:48 AM
Sarah….RESPECT.
She was thrown into the pressure cooker and has responded with class.
This woman has some major stones to step up the plate in this high stake environment.
Good on her.
mylegsareswollen on October 3, 2008 at 3:03 AM
You know if it were Palin they would. Good grief, CNN sent someone to that little island that borders a Russian island!
SAZMD on October 3, 2008 at 3:10 AM
eigafan on October 3, 2008 at 12:31 AM
lol!
Thanks for the link.
29Victor on October 3, 2008 at 3:15 AM
Have you seen Joe Biden’s 6,800 sq ft house? There’s nothing “near” it except more house (and a lake and a forrest, and other really, really nice houses).
Does he really expect us to believe that he painted/plumbed/floored that thing?
29Victor on October 3, 2008 at 3:22 AM
I have the entire debate here in LiveLeak format.
MsUnderestimated on October 3, 2008 at 3:27 AM
Back by popular demand:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quvBbcFDPI0
Enjoy!
Sapwolf on October 3, 2008
Thanks, Sapwolf, I hadn’t seen that before. Some good wealthy Republican should pony up and run that whole thing nationally, as is. Don’t worry about the minimal focus on John McCain. He’s just filler. Sarah Palin is the future of the Republican party. Let’s celebrate that.
SKYFOX on October 3, 2008 at 5:06 AM
Is there anyone looking into Ifil’s moderation at this time? I think that she might have done the following:
1) Allowed Biden’s responses to go overtime. There were some responses that I felt like went 3 minutes, but when Sarah was on a roll listing times McCain went against Bush, Ifil (rudely) interrupted her.
2) It seemed like Biden got a rebuttal whenever he wanted, but Sarah got a rebuttal whenever she DIDN’T want one. This was a potentially devastating strategy, because everyone was watching for Ifil to ask Sarah “gotcha” questions, but instead Ifil only had to force her to respond to Biden’s “gotcha” questions.
That being said Sarah won it hands down.
Micheal on October 3, 2008 at 6:13 AM
Happy Birthday, you’re 18 now so please go out and vote for the more experienced, honest, and capable candidate. (n.O.)
gzelmiami on October 3, 2008 at 6:37 AM
“We are the priests…of the temple…of Sarah”
Waterboy on October 3, 2008 at 6:41 AM
Yup. The McCain campaign HQ needs the following sign plastered up in big glowing letters:
“You’ve got nothing to lose, stupid”
Waterboy on October 3, 2008 at 6:45 AM
gzelmiami on October 3, 2008 at 6:37 AM
LOL! I am probably the only person in the world to say NO to being 18 again, Nobama.
Cindy Munford on October 3, 2008 at 7:24 AM
I could have sworn I heard it too. In fact, I turned to my husband and asked if Ifill just said “you did really well” to Greasy Joe.
bloggless on October 3, 2008 at 7:31 AM
IT WAS A STRATEGY!!! He fell right into her trap!!! “There ya go again, Joe”!!!!!!! Said the spider to the fly!!!!!! Joe got caught in her web!
bloggless on October 3, 2008 at 7:34 AM
Anyone think Joe has been dipping into the Botox Box? He looked a little waxy to me.
bloggless on October 3, 2008 at 7:36 AM
Yes I agree totally. My husband who’s usually very reserved was blown away by the difference in treatment. He was the one ranting for a change and I was the one shrugging and asking him why he was so surprised!
4shoes on October 3, 2008 at 7:45 AM
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