Open thread: Armageddon
posted at 8:27 pm on October 2, 2008 by Allahpundit
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A few people have e-mailed to say that the livestream in Ed’s open thread complicates comment discussion by slowing refresh times, so here’s a no-frills alternative. Take your pick.
While we wait for the main event, “enjoy” the last installment in her series with Couric. They saved a doozy for the finale.
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I thought that’s what one calls Charlie’s Angels fans.
SlimyBill on October 2, 2008 at 11:01 PM
The MSM needs to report on Biden saying Obama never said he would meet w/o pre conditions with Iraq and etc.
flyboy777 on October 2, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Vote on Politico - bottom right….
FYI, Libtards live there.
dugan on October 2, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Thanks for the backup hawk…
Squid Shark on October 2, 2008 at 11:01 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosniaks
carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Don’t get me wrong I think Palin is great, yet I think she did very average on this debate. No fire in my opinion. Again I don’t blame her, I blame her running mate.
The MSM will shred any positive points she made and render the debate a moot point. I just don’t see anything here that will cause a swing in votes at this point.
ClassicCon on October 2, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Thanks for the open thread option, AP!
infidel on October 2, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Biden was extremely aggressive.
Ali-Bubba on October 2, 2008 at 11:03 PM
cnn: palin is only talking to “republican base”
hey morons, non liberals like you hacks at cnn are open minded, get OUT of your liberal bubble
ikez78 on October 2, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Carl Cameron always looks for the negative side of things but he is an equal opportunity offender…
Nelsa on October 2, 2008 at 11:03 PM
It’s relevant to assessing her performance in a debate. How did she do at persuading the viewer that Republican principles and policies are the right way to lead the nation? The folks I cited I’ve seen in action doing that in earlier debates. I found them all to be more effective at persuasion and at not appearing evasive.
I lack confidence that Gov. Palin has the readiness to step into the Oval Office should the need arise. She didn’t close that deal with me tonight. I don’t want Biden there because of my serious differences with where he wants to lead the country, but I don’t doubt he’s prepared.
Rev Snow on October 2, 2008 at 11:03 PM
I can’t seem to find a ABC poll..
Maybe they don’t want anyone’s opinion other than their own?
SaintOlaf on October 2, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Another draw.
Oh, on likability and being a REAL ‘real person’, and a pretty darn sharp one at that, Sarah wiped the floor with him.
To the average person who is not a political junkie like us HotAirians, however, I think that it was too close to call.
Biden can lie and dissemble pretty darn well, Sarah can’t do that, but all too often she only told HALF of the truth that needed to be told.
They both came off as populists rather than the partisan leftist that Biden is, and I think Palin is either just rubber stamping McCain’ worst points, or she really is just somewhat SOCIALLY (only) conservative but politically, no more than a non-conservative populist.
But one thing made it a huge disappointment to me: Cap and Trade, Global Waring nonsense from Palin. That lost my support for the ticket, right there.
I wasn’t too thrilled with her oft repeated “corporate corruption and greed” stuff either.
“Corporate corruption” is maybe responsible for 1/4 of the economic problem, but from listening to both of them, that is the entire problem. They both ignored the POLITICAL corruption and greed that is responsible for half of the problem, and the stupidity of people who bought more than they can afford for the other 1/4 of the problem.
I’d expect that from Biden, but I had hoped that Palin would take the opportunity to place much more blame where it really belongs: on the Democrats in the Senate and the House.
But unfortunately, she followed the lead from McCain who continues to refuse to indict his ‘across the aisle’ ‘Fraternity brothers’ for their corruption and stupidity.
I still like Palin as a person, and wouldn’t mind having her as my Governor. But I’m disappointed that she isn’t going to be the sane and honest conservative counterbalance to McCain’s particular weaknesses and stupidities.
LegendHasIt on October 2, 2008 at 11:03 PM
We all know this was not the Palin/Biden debate. This was the Palin/Palin debate. Everybody who tuned into this thing, whether liberal, moderate or conservative were tuned in to see which candidate Sarah Palin handed the live hand grenade to, Obama or McCain. As usual nobody gived a rats a** what nonsense spewed from Biden’s cakehole. Nobody will remember a thing he said. All that will be remembered is Palin pulled this off dazzlingly. She left practically zero room for MSM critisism. The incompetence theme is going to be difficult for them to pursue after that performance she just gave. Just a quick dance around the internet I see an attempt to push a theme about her being an “attacker”. Uh huh. So the little girl was picking on poor experienced big Joe Biden. Ooookay, we’ll see how that theme turns out for you. She honestly left them nothing to work with. The media made this debate all about Sarah Palin in the hopes that she choked and blew up the McCain campaign with her. In the end that worked against them. They turned her into the underdog. They turned her into the 1980 US Olympic hockey team. They turned Biden into the mighty Soviet Red Army team. The United States citizens are happy to watch an underdog put up a good fight, let alone do the unimagineable and pull off the victory. I think we should run with the 1980 US Olympic team analogy. It just works on so many levels. The Commies vs the good Ol’ US of A. The young, inexperienced, baby faced teenagers vs the professionals.
Ah whatever, she kicked ass.
Zetterson on October 2, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Keith Olbermann: It was a triumph for Palin.
Cr4sh Dummy on October 2, 2008 at 11:04 PM
gah! campbell brown is a fright!
anna on October 2, 2008 at 11:04 PM
David “Fluff” spinning to Major Garrett. Men love Sarah, women not so much.
SouthernGent on October 2, 2008 at 11:04 PM
The media can still steal this election from us. But damnit, we go down knowing that Sarah-Cuda was in your face prepared and they can never take that debate from her. And she was funny. Look, she still has a ways to go on the foriegn policy, but if she’s that up to speed to get through a national debatge with a seasoned senator of what 30 years. This kid can do it.
Now you two fit the damn senate democrat connection to ACORN FM/FM AIG or I’m going to freaking explode.
Breathes….
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Krauthammer: Biden won on points but he overdid it.
carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 11:05 PM
From now on, it doesn’t matter what the experts say, the anchors say, the newspapers say or the pundits say.
Sarah has made it clear, she’s not talking to them, she doesn’t give a hoot about them, she is communicating directly and connecting to the folks on main street.
Just like Reagan did.
It just doesn’t matter anymore how she is judged and trashed by the MSM. Tell me, how many votes do they have compared to the rest of us?
Nice job Sarah!
fogw on October 2, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Krauthammer says he’s the resident Palin skeptic but thinks she did very well, he said he’s impressed.
Cr4sh Dummy on October 2, 2008 at 11:05 PM
I did not know Bosniacks is the proper term.
My apologies to anyone I’ve offended.
Learn something new every day.
tru2tx on October 2, 2008 at 11:05 PM
No..freaking..way he said that!!!
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 11:06 PM
So, can we elect her pres of our seceded nation?
Benjamin9 on October 2, 2008 at 11:06 PM
I didn’t think Ponnururururu knew how to make a joke. LU you too, I’m only as serious as I wanna be.
trailboss on October 2, 2008 at 11:06 PM
OH SHI-
carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 11:06 PM
gergen hearts biden.
anna on October 2, 2008 at 11:07 PM
A pig just flew by my window.
infidel on October 2, 2008 at 11:07 PM
I was educated too!
carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 11:07 PM
It was not based on points … its based on winning the heart and minds.
Benjamin9 on October 2, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Former Beloved Leader and Nobel Peace Prize Winner Jimmy Carter pronounces that word exactly the same way.
And the last time I checked, Mr. Peanut studied nukular physics in college, and was going to be one of the original US Navy nukular submarine captains under his mentor, Admiral Hyman Rickover, but had to quit the service when his dad died so he could take over the family Jif peanut butter farm.
Del Dolemonte on October 2, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Yeah, whoever Maverick would have picked as his running mate, it would have been a tough sell: “Yes, it’s very important to the future of American that we elect this illegal-alien-loving, billionaire-bailout-pushing, First-Amendment-trashing old bald guy with yellow teeth and a bad temper!”
It’s kind of hard to find a conservative argument for electing a guy who’s made a career of telling conservatives to go to hell.
Ali-Bubba on October 2, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Hmmm, I agree with you on the msm, that does seem to be their job these days, getting Obama elected.
I must disagree about the no fire part. She seemed ready to burst almost. Maybe she contained it too well.
4shoes on October 2, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Agree.
carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 11:07 PM
SouthernGent on October 2, 2008 at 11:04 PMI know many secure,real women that love Palin.
Insecure bitter women not so much.
Gracelynn on October 2, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Thank msm for all the hype, I’ll bet this got more viewship than than the superbowl.
How I wish she were at the top of the ticket!
ctmom on October 2, 2008 at 11:08 PM
You are right.
Spirit of 1776 on October 2, 2008 at 11:08 PM
blech. claire mcaskill on fox.
anna on October 2, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Did he say it with a smirk or sneer on his face?
4shoes on October 2, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Actually, I’m a lacrosse mom. but I love sarah just the same!
ctmom on October 2, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Wiki says either Bosian or Bosniak. Each describe someone who isn’t someone else.
Hey..what the..
Never mind.
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 11:09 PM
I think this may be the beginning of the apocalypse.
Cr4sh Dummy on October 2, 2008 at 11:09 PM
McCaskill…my IQ is dropping fast.
SouthernGent on October 2, 2008 at 11:09 PM
I guess Fox is in the tank for Hussein ever since Ubama met with Murdoch and negotiated the O’reilly/O interview.
SaintOlaf on October 2, 2008 at 11:10 PM
How come the trolls aren’t hammering “McCellan”?
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Did you expect any different? They don’t even bother to hide their kneepads anymore.
Did anyone notice the woman in th focus group take issue with ABC’s ‘editing’ of the interviews. People are noticing - that is good.
One thing that struck me was that Biden kept saying he was ‘for’ the middle class.
Palin didn’t have to - she s obviously *is* middle class.
CrazyFool on October 2, 2008 at 11:11 PM
Kind of, his full quote was going after Palin for not staying on topic but since she didn’t make any screw ups it was a triumph for Palin. I’m taking his words out of context, I couldn’t resist.
Cr4sh Dummy on October 2, 2008 at 11:11 PM
Legend, Palin was the undisputed underdog. A draw is a victory. As you know, political events do not take place in a vaccuum. People tuned in to see her, not him. They don’t care what he says. Biden’s boring and usual. He’s something people have seen everyday on their TV for as long as they can remember. Sarah Palin was not competing against Joe Biden tonight. She was competing against herself and only herself. How she did tonight was all that mattered to people. She did well, hence she won. Nobody will remember a word Joe Biden said tonight. On the contrary, her face will be all over the TV tomorrow. The national conversation will not be “who won the debate”. It will be Sarah Palin offered up a strong performance. That is all that matters.
Zetterson on October 2, 2008 at 11:12 PM
Claire McAsskill is a buzzkill.
carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 11:12 PM
gergen hearts biden.
A D.C. insider hearts a D.C. insider. And that’s the whole problem.
Cindy Munford on October 2, 2008 at 11:12 PM
“McClellan” I mean?
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 11:12 PM
Well I get more fired up by angry speakers vs. excited speakers so maybe it is just me. I still, however, fail to understand why McCain still allows the Obama camp to lay this financial garbage at his feet, unless…
I just thought of this, as much as I was hoping for a Fannie/Freddie/Countrywide retort from Palin, maybe, and this is a long shot, the McCain camp is saving this for the final debate so the impact will last longer be that much more powerful.
Christ I hope so.
ClassicCon on October 2, 2008 at 11:12 PM
It wasn’t that Palin couldn’t answer the questions, it’s that Ifill didn’t give her extra time like she did for Joe, so that Sarah had to go back and finish answering her previous question at the beginning of time for the next.
4shoes on October 2, 2008 at 11:12 PM
The CNN pundit panel is so skewed it’s nauseating. It’s like 9-2 liberal vs conservatives.
roninacreage on October 2, 2008 at 11:12 PM
So, she’s not exactly in good company, then. Carter, Bush W., Palin. Hope that’s not a curse or nothin.’
trailboss on October 2, 2008 at 11:13 PM
I cant believe that they are not talking about Sarah mentioning that Obama said that, “Our troops are air raiding villages and killing civilians.”
Even Biden did not refute that because he knows Obama said it.
Nelsa on October 2, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Keith Olbermann: It was a triumph for Palin.
Cr4sh Dummy on October 2, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Because he is surprised she was even able to keep from drooling like the inbred hick he thinks she is.
Bishop on October 2, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Again why exactly are we wasting her on this election?? 2012 is the year that we finally reach the promised land depending on how badly our Sarah is damaged.
Illinidiva on October 2, 2008 at 11:13 PM
McAsskill knows Palin kicked hair plugs ass, can’t say otherwise on FOX for God’s sake. Now, mighty McCain, go forth and go guns and engage.
Benjamin9 on October 2, 2008 at 11:14 PM
OMG — hell is freezing over!
CanuckInPA on October 2, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Well, that tears it. Olbermann will never be the Minister of Propaganda in the Obama Regieme now.
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Whatever. I merely posted what Ramesh said. If you don’t get it, so what, who cares. Scroll on by. But why bother responding at all? It wasn’t an outrageous or controversial comment. You must be one of those people who just wants to argue even when there is nothing to argue about.
flyfisher on October 2, 2008 at 11:15 PM
offtopic for just one moment. Watch this, in case you missed it today.
wise_man on October 2, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Ha! I thought so!
4shoes on October 2, 2008 at 11:15 PM
maybe he wants to wait until those morons on the house vote on the bill. he may not want to skew the vote with partisanship a la nancy pelosi.
anna on October 2, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Hume was right, Sarah should have kicked Biden through the roof over deregulation and the collapse of the FM’s; what an opportunity. Hopefully Mac does it better.
Bishop on October 2, 2008 at 11:15 PM
I think she did great. She more than just held her own. I am curious to see what the MSM says about it though because most of them said Obama won the first debate when McCain straight kicked his ass.
keepinitreal on October 2, 2008 at 11:15 PM
CNN opinion polls via CNN show Biden 53-39%. CNN with the marching orders for that message
flyboy777 on October 2, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Why? Is there no Gen. McClellan (or whatever) in Afghanistan? Who was she talking about?
Jaibones on October 2, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Trail Boss, I’ve noticed yoy can be the village skeptic. I didn’t see you post your take on who won. I am dying of curiousity!
Inquiring minds…
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Perhaps John McCain needs to spend some time debating the trees before his next debate.
carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 11:16 PM
McKiernan?
Jaibones on October 2, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Hey, it’s excellent bait to go troll the Democrat Undergroud with.
Cr4sh Dummy on October 2, 2008 at 11:17 PM
If everyone will forgive me a really shallow moment.
She looked amazingly hot in that matrix/hellraiser/dominatrix dress she was sporting.
ClassicCon on October 2, 2008 at 11:17 PM
NO! Its BOSNIANS
JonPrichard on October 2, 2008 at 11:17 PM
CNN opinion polls via CNN show Biden 53-39%. CNN with the marching orders for that message
flyboy777 on October 2, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Shocked. CNN? Shocked.
Bishop on October 2, 2008 at 11:17 PM
She made the correct assessment of his strategy, but his name is “McKernan” Biden didn’t know either or he would have corrected her. Like I said. Gaff-Tie
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Any lipstick on that beotch?
SlimyBill on October 2, 2008 at 11:18 PM
I was corrected about a thousand times while over there. Maybe it is lost in translation.
R
SS
Squid Shark on October 2, 2008 at 11:18 PM
KP has Sarahcuda fevah again!
carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 11:19 PM
I think simulgaffe is more accurate.
SlimyBill on October 2, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Palin did better than expected, but I’m still wary of her. I think my biggest gripe was the “what would you do to change the tone in Washington” answer. Biden did decent. Palin went right to the extreme partisan answer - “Well, you’ve got a choice between the mavericks on your side or the other ticket which will raise your taxes.” Exactly the opposite of toning down the rancor. Biggest dumb answer of the night.
trailboss on October 2, 2008 at 11:19 PM
SWMBO is still slapping me about the debate, also calls you a p.i.g pig. Just repeating.
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Actually, according to wikipedia, you are correct.
carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 11:19 PM
And Legend, I wouldn’t take the substance of anything said in these debates too seriously. Especially the VP debate. Its nothing more than a dog and pony show. It may be a dog and pony show with severe consequences but thats all it is in the end. Take the win.
Zetterson on October 2, 2008 at 11:20 PM
TB I guess you could take it that way. I understood her to be saying, Yeah, the MAvs are already doing it.
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Still a step behind ya, buddy.
trailboss on October 2, 2008 at 11:21 PM
As I understand, it is interchangable for the nationality. The ethnic group is Bosniaks.
Squid Shark on October 2, 2008 at 11:21 PM
I know and thats why I hate looking at these people
flyboy777 on October 2, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Yeah. It was a Civil War history student momnent.
Loved the skirt, but I was hoping for the beehive, too.
I guess ye can’t have everything…
Tuning Spork on October 2, 2008 at 11:22 PM
Just sent some money to the party. I’m all in. If we lose I’m all out!
JonPrichard on October 2, 2008 at 11:22 PM
In that particular respect, I believe you are correct, but I’m looking at it with many other things factored in.
Given the overall situation with media spin, general voter ignorance etc., the GOP needed an 8th inning grand slam home run, and only got a triple. I’m afraid that tonight the only people that REALLY won are the “Gorebull Warming” crowd.
LegendHasIt on October 2, 2008 at 11:22 PM
I may have misunderstood, but it hit me at the moment like ‘Geez o geez o geez. Just drop that ball on the ground.’ Go back and chant nukular a few times, I’ll feel better.
trailboss on October 2, 2008 at 11:23 PM
I think that’s aggravating as well. It also seems like such a convoluted mess that it’s hard to figure out a simple way to explain it in a sound bite. I blame the msm for much of McCain’s inability to get his message out. They allow the left to blatantly lie.
4shoes on October 2, 2008 at 11:24 PM
Oh, well, someone has to do it, and none of you SissyMary’s are going to so:
OK, nitwit. You’ve been whining all night, spill it. Tell us what part of Obama/Biden you like better than having Sarah Palin as the VP? We’ll wait patiently, unless you’re going to do some sort of idiotic “I wish we had nominated (pick one - Huck, Mitt, America’s Greatest Patriot, Fred), instead of McCain”, in which case we’re all just going to laugh at you and make fun of your faux cowboy moniker.
It’s your floor: whine away.
Jaibones on October 2, 2008 at 11:24 PM
rove on fox is hammering all of bidens mistakes. of course you won’t hear anyone on cnn mention those.
anna on October 2, 2008 at 11:24 PM
All I know is we went from every liberal blogger in the known universe claiming Joe was going to suck the oxygen right out of her and drop her like a bad habit to arguing about who won. I hate to play the curve, but thats a victory. My opinion only. And my opinion does not express the view of the sponsor of this site or Bosniakians in any region of the former Yugoslavia.
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Rove you magnificent bastard!
dugan on October 2, 2008 at 11:25 PM
hannity & colmes just breezed through the awesomeness of rove & giuliani.
anna on October 2, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Jaibones on October 2, 2008 at 11:24 PM
Brutal!
Cindy Munford on October 2, 2008 at 11:27 PM
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