Open thread: Armageddon
posted at 8:27 pm on October 2, 2008 by Allahpundit
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A few people have e-mailed to say that the livestream in Ed’s open thread complicates comment discussion by slowing refresh times, so here’s a no-frills alternative. Take your pick.
While we wait for the main event, “enjoy” the last installment in her series with Couric. They saved a doozy for the finale.
Game face!
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republican on cnn sounds like a moron. big surprise.
anna on October 2, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Who gives a crap?
People vote. People, not the media. That’s why these things are on tv.
Spirit of 1776 on October 2, 2008 at 10:49 PM
I was nervous, started slow, but damn she held her own except for teh McKernan gaff. But Biden said nothing so its both their gaff.
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 10:49 PM
One thing I noticed about the debate…
McCain/Biden = Senatorial Clones.
Why can’t we amend the constitution to forbid Senators from running for the Presidency…
420sniper on October 2, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Yuuuup……*hoists another drink*
ManlyRash on October 2, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Now, they are saying they are being too polite and she had no command of the issues and Biden did. All she proved is that she could stand there.
Blake on October 2, 2008 at 10:49 PM
I see it the other way around. I thought Biden was very smooth, very professional, very well-spoken, very impressive. But I know he’s a career politician, so it doesn’t matter.
SlimyBill on October 2, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Well you did admit you are drunk.
Seriously, Joe is likable. Sarah is LOVABLE!
carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 10:49 PM
amazing, I turned to CNN just to hear their biased commentary. The spin was: Palin did okay, but wow, this was Joe Biden’s best debate ever!
True, Biden didn’t gaffe a lot other than I think he misstated some of Barack Obama’s positions. But Palin slapped him upside the head (I thought). She was straight up Sarah.
katablog.com on October 2, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Maybe when MSNBC finally goes under, CNN can take their place as least respected and lowest rated political cable channel.
wise_man on October 2, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Luntzs Duntzs loved her. OMG.
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Why does anybody give a rat’s ass about KP? She’s been an asshole for a while now
clnurnberg on October 2, 2008 at 10:50 PM
the undecideds on cnn seem to be very decided. decidedly for obama.
anna on October 2, 2008 at 10:50 PM
How was that, Allah? Did you drink the whole bottle of Jack Daniels? I think Palin did fantastic!
Troy Rasmussen on October 2, 2008 at 10:50 PM
The NPR ninnies are unfamiliar with Americans. Welcome to it, girls.
Jaibones on October 2, 2008 at 10:50 PM
SARAH SLAUGHTERED JOE BIDEN!
GAME OVER!
Now let’s hit all the polls…somebody provide some links.
SaintOlaf on October 2, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Vote on, yuck, MSNBC
SouthernGent on October 2, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Joe is likable. The only pompus ass I don’t care for is “the one”
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Now they are saying that they tried to out middle class each other but both are rich. Palin is not rich.
Blake on October 2, 2008 at 10:51 PM
I wanna see the transcript .. did Biden say Obama instead of Osama when talking about Pakistan?
Texas Gal on October 2, 2008 at 10:51 PM
1. She isn’t running for President. Comparing her to failed Presidential candidates isn’t relevant.
2. McCain picked Palin, not the others, as his VP running mate. In selecting her, he energized his campaign.
3. Biden’s campaign for President never got off the ground — he was a failed Presidential candidate who has brought nothing to Obama’s ticket except a bucket full of gaffes and concrete evidence that Obama knows he is not qualified to be commander in chief
In what way does Palin come out as a worse VP candidate than Biden in your mind?
Y-not on October 2, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Governors of states, it would seem, make better presidents than US senators. Including McCain, but especially Biden and Obama.
wise_man on October 2, 2008 at 10:51 PM
…what was telling for me is that Luntz’s Losers — those faux independents — were actually sticking up for Sarah…of course, one guy said, of course she’s qualified, she’s a governor, she’s been down that road….
…so…Luntz isn’t entirely useless….
…the Leftist spin will be excruciating…I guess they’ll have to go back to “is she experienced?”….
…wait…isn’t that a Hendrix song?
Puritan1648 on October 2, 2008 at 10:51 PM
ABC keeps talking about the kitchen table, and how great Biden was. What a crock.
resqgal on October 2, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Sarah is doing one thing for sure. I have never seen so many comments for a HA post. ;)
Nelsa on October 2, 2008 at 10:51 PM
You just made a fact.
Benjamin9 on October 2, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Biden gaffed a few times, see Bosniaks. He also lied about 16 times.
I still want to see proof that Obama warned about subprime mortgages two years ago.
carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Ha, I’d not heard that before. Clever.
Spirit of 1776 on October 2, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Focus group loves her too. Must just be me.
I thought her performance was subpar. She avoided total disaster, so if you went in expecting disaster, then I guess she had a success.
Way too much unskillful dodging of questions for my taste. Dodging questions is something all politicians have to do some of the time, but she did it so much and so inartfully it was painful to watch.
But you win elections by appealing to majorities and it’s clear that’s not me tonight.
Rev Snow on October 2, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Let me guess what the Obama campaign’s response is gonna be to this debate….
The American people wanted to hear about the change they need. Sarah Palin just espoused the same failed Bush McCain policies that have not worked for the American middle class. America simply cannot afford more of the same and that is what Palin offered the American people tonight.
El_Terrible on October 2, 2008 at 10:51 PM
SAY IT AIN’T SO, JOE!
‘Nuff said. She won.
jaleach on October 2, 2008 at 10:51 PM
ABC’s talking heads are all saying Joe won.
unmeritedfavor on October 2, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Any pulse as to what CNN,MSNBC,ABC,CBS are saying.
flyboy777 on October 2, 2008 at 10:51 PM
McCain needs to make Frank, Dodd, Franklin Raines, and all the Fannie and Freddie enablers his 2008 Willie Horton.
But will he?
BuckeyeSam on October 2, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Watched a little of the CNN “focus group” – phoney and obviously packed typical CNN
bill30097 on October 2, 2008 at 10:52 PM
One thing about Luntz’s group: they were all allegedly “undecideds”, but then he asked how many had changed their minds tonight, and several raised their hands. Guess they weren’t undecided then.
mikeyboss on October 2, 2008 at 10:52 PM
A comment from Ramesh Ponnuru:
flyfisher on October 2, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Palin for President ‘12 just got a boost tonight.
420sniper on October 2, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Top reason why AllahPundit is giving Palin a hard time is because she is against gay marriage, and, that she has – in the vein this debate anyway – pushed the Obama campaign towards the same position.
You can vote for McCain/Palin now Allah…
Mcguyver on October 2, 2008 at 10:52 PM
You’re going to need to pay close attention to FactCheck. He just made shit up all night, as usual. That’s beside his smarmy Home Depot crap.
Jaibones on October 2, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Good F*king lord, 77.9%, 20,612 votes for Biden. You could imagine Olbermann, Matthews and Maddow running from computer to computer in the MSNBC newsroom clicking biden, over and over and over.
wise_man on October 2, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Got to stop saying ‘nukular.’ Please, is this a Republican DNA issue, or a big state governor issue?
trailboss on October 2, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Burr was a good shot. He killed his opponent. Cheney missed.
420sniper on October 2, 2008 at 10:53 PM
“She did as best as she could but people still will like Joe Biden and Barack Obama better.”
“Joe Biden connected better with middle America than she did.”
All ABC folks.
unmeritedfavor on October 2, 2008 at 10:53 PM
I thought she did very well. I turned it off right when the Luntz stuff came on so I missed that.
She was so much more relaxed and in command tonight. I think they did something weird with the interviews. She was herself here.
Terrye on October 2, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Someone tell me that you didn’t see a look of mutual respect out of those two. Biden knew Sarah did well.
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 10:53 PM
We must all be on CNN for the dialy thingy’s
Squid Shark on October 2, 2008 at 10:53 PM
…no….
…it’d be a pol jaw-jackin’ with a pol…this was a citizen, on national television (and not on “COPS”), up against a guy whose running mate was 12 years old when he took his seat in the Senate…a polished, slightly dramatic “debater”…used to the kabuki theater of national televised debates…Guiliani’d've been more fun, Thompson would’ve had better jokes…but Sarah was speakin’ for me….
…no…I’d've been meaner….
Puritan1648 on October 2, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Fox had a pollster on who had 50-50 dems/republicans…by a wide margin, that group said Sarah won …
golfer1 on October 2, 2008 at 10:54 PM
After the first Hotair server exploded that 2nd began to smoke. response time on refresh is slowing again. LOL
Nelsa on October 2, 2008 at 10:54 PM
thompson on fox!
anna on October 2, 2008 at 10:54 PM
The kids getting extra credit for watching the debate was comparable to the daughter fixing Trig’s hair at the RNCC.
BuckeyeSam on October 2, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Wow, I didn’t know Allah was a ‘ranger’.
carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 10:54 PM
I think he said that Iran was getting closer to Obama….
rw on October 2, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Biden: Home Depot, Amtrak depot: same difference.
Physics Geek on October 2, 2008 at 10:54 PM
I don’t think Burr is terribly relevant, or known.
trailboss on October 2, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Undecideds or ‘leaning towards.’ I don’t know of any human being who could be absolutely 50% – 50% undecided.
wise_man on October 2, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Creepy Obama posters behind Chrissy Matthews.
And creepy Claire McCaskell. Hag.
tru2tx on October 2, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Fred-”I’m totally bown away!”
Nelsa on October 2, 2008 at 10:54 PM
P-shaw, from the guy who can’t spell defence!!!
:-)
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 10:54 PM
And so it begins… Well you guys enjoy your night, it won’t last through the weekend.
ClassicCon on October 2, 2008 at 10:55 PM
I love Fred. That is all.
dmarie on October 2, 2008 at 10:55 PM
ooops “Blown away”
Nelsa on October 2, 2008 at 10:55 PM
“Masterful.”
– Fred
eucher on October 2, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Trolls are out- time to go
anniekc on October 2, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Vote on Politico…yuck.
Scroll all the way down…on the right side.
SouthernGent on October 2, 2008 at 10:55 PM
That’s about it. And McCain will respond that we need to reach across the aisle in the spirit of bipartisan cooperation.
ManlyRash on October 2, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Fred just said Palin “shamed” her critics.
CanadianGuy on October 2, 2008 at 10:55 PM
CNN is more favorable, believe it or not.
Tommygun on October 2, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Ha Ha hahaha! Joe Biden’s best debate! That’s not really saying much is it?!!!
4shoes on October 2, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Hear me now and believe me later: the only thing Blobama said about subprime mortgages two years ago was that too many of his community organizees were going into foreclosure. He’s full of crap.
Jaibones on October 2, 2008 at 10:56 PM
…she said nu-cu-lar, he said that Article 1 of the Constitution covers the Executive Branch…both are gaffes…they can cancel eachother out, if you please…personally, as a member of the National Legislature, Biden’s was a bit of a big gaffe….
Puritan1648 on October 2, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Someone here just used the buzz up! feature to post this at Yahoo with the comment that McCain just lost the election. I would suggest that AP and Ed start buzzing up their own pieces so we have the ability to control it instead of the trolls who are allowed here.
Connie on October 2, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Someone post links to polls!
It was an obvious win for Palin.
SaintOlaf on October 2, 2008 at 10:56 PM
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Drudge vote Drudge
Ran back, catching breath.
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Hey ClassicCon, why all the negativity?
4shoes on October 2, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Cheney hit, but only wounded. Much more dangerous. Burr finished the job.
trailboss on October 2, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Palin connected with Main Street America.
Biden was Washington D.C. business as usual. He told a lot of lies, and the message of “hope and change” was completely lost.
My collie says:
McCain will win or lose on his own merits now — unless Obama loses it because of his lack of merit.
CyberCipher on October 2, 2008 at 10:57 PM
I am SaintOlaf
SouthernGent on October 2, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Matthews is probably clicking away at five mice, one for each hand and foot and one for his pecker.
SlimyBill on October 2, 2008 at 10:58 PM
carbon,
Bosniaks is correct, actually.
R
SS
Squid Shark on October 2, 2008 at 10:58 PM
{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?…
BIDEN
24% 20,111
PALIN
74% 62,520
NEITHER
2% 1,662
Total Votes: 84,293
carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 10:58 PM
I still don’t think that McCain is going to go after the guilty party for this financial mess until that Bill is passed and signed. And if he doesn’t do it directly I think some 527’s will get on it.
Cindy Munford on October 2, 2008 at 10:58 PM
She’s gross. Do you think she offed her old man?
DKos Imitator
Jaibones on October 2, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Biden’s eyes didn’t look natural. There is some face pulling surgery going on there. They tightened his face more outward to make him look a bit almond eyed or something.
Buddahpundit on October 2, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Aw-ful did a biased unethical job tonight. So Joe, give us the last word EVERYTIME! Palin should have given her an opportunity to point out that she has a book about Obama coming out on inauguration day. Not only was the ref a fan of the other team but she had money on the game too. Terrible.
Both Palin and Biden did quite well. Either one could top the ticket. It was a draw in my mind which in the mind of the MSM was a blowout for O’Biden. He lied as usual but he’s a great liar. I love Sarah but she gets none of the positive spin from the media’s billion dollar commitment to Obama/O’Biden. Overall this was a much better debate than Obama McCain.
John McCain had better go after Obama or we’re dead. America WILL vote for a racist, black liberationist, anti-Semite, proto-Muslim, anti-white, Marxist, radical if he’s wrapped up in a billion dollar media blitz. I’m feeling the Clinton ‘92 blues.
Mojave Mark on October 2, 2008 at 10:58 PM
How embarrassing. I stand corrected.
carbon_footprint on October 2, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Krauthammer is next on FOX-Can’t wait.
Nelsa on October 2, 2008 at 10:58 PM
The only big gaff will be the McClellan/McKernan gaff. She said it and he didn’t know either or he would have corrected her. Gaff-Draw
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Have an pundits on any channel mentioned “Bosniacs”?
I can image what would be happening right now if Palin had said that.
Oh well, she won, and there’s only so much spinning the media can do to try to rewrite history.
forest on October 2, 2008 at 10:59 PM
I’m still laughing about Bosniacs.
tru2tx on October 2, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Sokay, it is something you get corrected on alot in the region, I will never forget, neither will Biden I would imagine. It is just one of those things.
Squid Shark on October 2, 2008 at 10:59 PM
what pecker? haha
anna on October 2, 2008 at 10:59 PM
The media bias against her is going to go into overdrive now. I loved the say it ain’t so line, she did great tonight. I wasn’t worried at all…Gulp!
repvoter on October 2, 2008 at 11:00 PM
It’s defense, you foreign type person. ;/
trailboss on October 2, 2008 at 11:00 PM
I assume most realize Ramesh was making a joke. It was a good comeback to Biden’s ridiculous comments about Vice President Cheney. And just because you don’t know anything about Aaron Burr does not mean the rest of us don’t. Lighten up!
flyfisher on October 2, 2008 at 11:00 PM
I’ve been there. We said Bosnians
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 11:00 PM
I knew a Kathy Bosniac(k) once. LOL
Nelsa on October 2, 2008 at 11:00 PM
They would have mentioned it is correct, it is the correct term.
Squid Shark on October 2, 2008 at 11:00 PM
Jaibones:
I would have asked Joe if Obama is such a smart fellow and he knew all this was coming why didn’t he get his tail back to DC and do something about it, instead of running all over the country trying to get people to vote for him.
I mean, I don’t remember any legislation on the subject of subprime loans being offered up by Obama.
Terrye on October 2, 2008 at 11:00 PM
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