Irish extend depositor insurance, force Europe towards action
posted at 8:25 am on October 2, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Earlier this week, Ireland acted to quell depositor fears by extending a version of FDIC to six major Irish banks. Dublin agreed to guarantee all deposits in a variety of account types while charging the banks for the insurance. That stopped any hint of a bank run … at least in Ireland. However, British depositors began moving their money out of British banks and into the now-guaranteed Irish institutions, potentially creating bank runs in the UK. Now depositor guarantees may have to be enacted throughout the EU:
France heaped pressure on Gordon Brown last night by floating an ambitious plan for a €300 billion (£237 billion) bailout fund to rescue crippled banks across Europe.
As the world held its breath on the fate of America’s $700 billion bank bailout plan, President Sarkozy was seeking the backing of European leaders for his own lifeboat.
Mr Brown also faced demands for action from British banks, furious that the Irish Republic’s unilateral guarantee of all bank savings on Tuesday was robbing them of precious deposits. The British Bankers’ Association, which represents high street banks, said that the move was anti-competitive and that it was raising the issue with Dublin. Some banks would like to see the UK respond with its own explicit guarantee.
The Times of London actually describes a Keystone Kops approach by the French. After making the proposal, Germany’s Angela Merkel rejected it out of hand, saying she wasn’t going to start handing out blank checks even to the most responsible of banks. The French then denied that they made the proposal at all, and reversed themselves again but said the €300 billion was the wrong figure. Then they said it was the right figure, but said that the Dutch had given it to them. The Dutch responded by saying that they had no idea what France was talking about.
The French proposal will not likely gain much favor from other EU countries. It essentially bypasses national governments and creates a fund to prop up failing banks. Somehow, I doubt that Germans have any interest in having their money used to prop up French banks, or Spaniards in bailing out the Dutch, and so on. One has to wonder why France seems so eager to have this fund created; are French banks teetering on the edge of failure?
This isn’t the first time this year Ireland has presented itself as a thorn in the EU’s side. The BBA’s anti-competition complaint could get the EU’s attention, but it’s also Orwellian in the extreme. Ireland has made its banks more competitive, and the BBA wants Dublin to knock it off and operate in a monopolistic fashion. Perhaps that’s understandable, but the BBA should stop with the Newspeak — “Competition is anti-competitive” — and admit that they want protectionism from competition.
Will Europe pass some sort of bailout? If the House passes the Senate bill tomorrow, then European nations will probably follow suit to keep pace. The EU itself will not get hundreds of billions of Euros from its member nations as a slush fund for Brussels to distribute as it sees fit. This could weaken the entire notion of a supernational EU, especially given Ireland’s independent action.
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Good on them.
sven10077 on October 2, 2008 at 8:28 AM
The Irish; these are the same people that refused to ratify the EEU Constitution. You gotta love them.
Tommy_G on October 2, 2008 at 8:31 AM
Ooooh, maybe I should pull my money out of NatWest.
Candy Slice on October 2, 2008 at 8:31 AM
Good for them. Why should they wait to be $hit on by France?
roninacreage on October 2, 2008 at 8:36 AM
Aye, tis a fine day to reaffirm that potato-eating, Guinness drinking side to me mutt background.
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 8:37 AM
If there are so many banks that are looking for government money from thin air, perhaps its time for those countries to get together and wipe some debt off their respective balance sheets.
Samhain on October 2, 2008 at 8:42 AM
Is it too early to raise a Guinness and toast the Irish? Hmmm… What time is it in Ireland, right now?
pugwriter on October 2, 2008 at 8:43 AM
I think it’s nearly 2:00 in the afternoon there… I’ll raise a lovely Guinness with you – my favorite.
Candy Slice on October 2, 2008 at 8:47 AM
Maybe I’ll slide a Barry McGuiggan fight into the DVD player and get by head right for tonight’s debate.
If I could have any ancestry other than my own, it would be Irish. Those folks are fighters by nature.
pugwriter on October 2, 2008 at 8:47 AM
The EU is too much like the UN. Too many varying interests.
TooTall on October 2, 2008 at 8:49 AM
Get my head right.
No, I haven’t had a liter of Guinness yet.
pugwriter on October 2, 2008 at 8:51 AM
Stupid move by the Irish.
What they were supposed to do is have all their politicians bicker and whine for a few days, attempt to out-grandstand one another, and then finally present a pork-laden monstrosity to the people while wearing fat cheshire grins on their ass faces.
Bishop on October 2, 2008 at 8:51 AM
Delicious Irony.
I have the suspicion that ’someone’ started a run on select US Banks, which started the proverbial domino effect.
I pray that if someone really did start a run on US banks, with malicious intent, that the someone who started it all dies a pauper.
rockhauler on October 2, 2008 at 8:52 AM
Suck it EU. Good on the Irish.
BadgerHawk on October 2, 2008 at 8:52 AM
I’m waiting for Sarkozy to criticize the Celtic country for its “Anglo-Saxon” economics.
Wethal on October 2, 2008 at 8:53 AM
Funds pouring into Irish Banks from the UK. Ireland the next banking empire?
It’s a world turned upside down! Where’s my lace curtains…
patrick neid on October 2, 2008 at 8:57 AM
funny
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 8:57 AM
Good for Eire. Let the EU burn. An Anglo/Eire-Slav consortium would be a much better association.
PimFortuynsGhost on October 2, 2008 at 9:02 AM
The EU charter effectively states that the council or commission of the EU can veto any decision made by the parliament of its members. The EU can veto this!
Now that is democracy in action!
/s
Overall, if the EU waits to long to take any action, this could be the beginning of the end for the supernational EU, not just “weaken” it. I’m gonna go buy some Harp lager.
TwinkietheKid on October 2, 2008 at 9:02 AM
The Irish…God love ‘em.
What are the Scots up to? They’ve maintained their own currency, albeit tied to the British pound. But they are stubbornly independent and I can imagine them telling the EU to suck it, too.
Redhead Infidel on October 2, 2008 at 9:03 AM
Somewhere in Heaven, my Grandfather is laughing at the thought of the British putting money in Irish banks….
God, I miss that man…
Agent of the Cross on October 2, 2008 at 9:06 AM
Gotta love the Irish.
Next to the Israelis, they have to be my favorite ballsy people in the whole wide world.
It’s the response of “make me” to any asinine demand by the EU.
mjk on October 2, 2008 at 9:10 AM
Yeah, I can think of a few distant relatives of mine who are probably laughing their arses off over that.
mjk on October 2, 2008 at 9:11 AM
Have they blamed Boosh yet? If not, I will. It’s all Boooosh’s fault! You know, just for good measure.
robblefarian on October 2, 2008 at 9:13 AM
Aye, tis a fine day to reaffirm that potato-eating, Guinness drinking side to me mutt background. – hawkdriver
remindes me of this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWFeuROrXgw
fivebeers2002 on October 2, 2008 at 9:14 AM
“But Boss! We’re Italian!”
lol
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 9:22 AM
France wanted everyone else in Europe to pay for the destruction of their aging nuclear plants, too.
lodge on October 2, 2008 at 9:24 AM
It’s a great day when you can’t tell if you’re watching the news or Monty Python.
KCSteve on October 2, 2008 at 9:25 AM
This means Irish banks are getting a huge influx of capital as well. LOL
They could become a financial powerhouse at the expense of the rest of Europe.
lodge on October 2, 2008 at 9:25 AM
You gotta admit, there’s going to be a certain amount of irony if the EU’s common currency dreams go down during their current crisis, because they’ll be done in due to the oh-so-sophisticated European nations’ balking at implementing a banking law originally crafted under those American yokels Franklin D. Roosevelt and Joseph P. Kennedy and imported 75 years later by the Irish.
jon1979 on October 2, 2008 at 9:26 AM
Yup, and it was for exactly these kinds of economic events that the EU proponents said a unified currency would be better for Europe. Ironic indeed. Maybe there is hope for them if at the first major crisis, they start looking from their borders inward. A little nationalism goes a long way.
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 9:31 AM
Good on ye, Brave Men of Erin!
The Monster on October 2, 2008 at 9:32 AM
Many times I’ve done a little run on the ATM just about 30 yards from where that picture was taken, then headed down a couple of blocks to Temple Bar for a few pints
DarkCurrent on October 2, 2008 at 9:36 AM
Indeed they are. I’ve only one great-great grandmother born in Ireland. But I’ll take it.
Bob's Kid on October 2, 2008 at 9:50 AM
WOOH!! Go, Irish!!
Spanglemaker on October 2, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Ah yes, it was only a matter of time before governments would address the crisis by increasing deposit insurance levels, i.e., the single most important government intervention in creating the whole fiasco to begin with. Oh well – governments wouldn’t be governments if, in the course of “addressing” the current catsastrophe, they weren’t laying the groundwork for a future, even bigger, catastrophe.
pussum207 on October 2, 2008 at 10:36 AM
Hard working Conservative Republican Americans = Irish
Lazy Socialist Liberal Democrat ‘Americans’ = EU
Firmworm on October 2, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Right-on Ireland!!!
rtsidedragon on October 2, 2008 at 12:04 PM
Way to go, lads.
Blaise on October 2, 2008 at 12:06 PM
God, I love the Irish. Ireland was the punching bag of Europe for so long and now the EU is shocked (SHOCKED!) that the Irish would tell them to go hang. Between the technology and science boom and now a rush to put money in Irish banks, things are looking rather green for Ireland!
MikeTheLibrarian on October 2, 2008 at 1:10 PM
For the posters who yearn to be like ‘ballsy’,'fighters by nature’,does that include I.R.A terrorists?
They had the ‘balls’ to bomb irish and british people for 30yrs.Are you with us(in the u.k) or with the terrorists.
I am irish living in the U.K.
mags on October 2, 2008 at 1:35 PM
We’re all Irish now.
Anti-competitively competitive. You gotta love it.
What you have to hate is that we’re rushing toward that stuff just as fast as the socialists (and commies) in Congress can drive.
misterpeasea on October 2, 2008 at 1:38 PM
Uhm. Could we support Ireland’s extension of depositor insurance and votes against the EU while simultaneously not supporting Irish terrorists?
The mind boggles.
misterpeasea on October 2, 2008 at 1:40 PM
Oh course not my friend. In all I’ve said there’s nothing about the IRA I admire or support. It’s an embarrassment to my mutt heritage as well.
hawkdriver on October 2, 2008 at 2:16 PM
We need to do that here. I hate having to maintain hundreds of accounts at only $100,000. each co cover my butt.
saiga on October 2, 2008 at 2:53 PM
“Are you with us(in the u.k) or with the terrorists.”
An… odd… way to put that, since the phrasing implies that the Irish not in the UK are terrorists…. However, I will assume that it was simply an awkward sentence and that’s not what you meant.
Saying that because I love the Irish for their tough attitude, it means I support the IRA (Nazi-sympathizing, murderous bastards that they were) is rather nonsensical. Its like saying that by loving the English, I support the brutal suppression of the Irish and the Welsh since the times of St. Beuno and St. Patrick.
MikeTheLibrarian on October 2, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Go Irish! The EU is a fragile union at best…Irish taking care of Irish.
d1carter on October 2, 2008 at 3:37 PM
The Irish business landscape and beer are shinning beacons to humanity. Low taxes, pro investment regulations and dark frothy beer are perfect recipes for a dynamic economy and vibrant society.
moxie_neanderthal on October 2, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Hawkdriver,misterpeasea,mike the librarian,
I know i went off topic,i will explain why .For over 30 years British people have had to listen to Irish American’s(who have never been there)call I.R.A terrorists ‘freedom fighters’,support the ’cause’.
There were drinks in Boston called ‘car bomb’ and ‘kill a brit’.
You may claim that it was only a few. Maybe,but they were able to raise over 1 million dollars a year.
That doesn’t include weapon’s.
One of the ships coming from your shores to mine was captured,there was ton’s of semtax,and surface to air missiles that they didn’t think they had yet.
I agree that only small number done this,but the u.s gave them a stage.
Against John Major’s pleas Bill Clinton gave Sinn Fein visa’s to fund raise without pre-condition’s.
The ‘real ‘ I.R.A was not put on the U.S terrorist list till after 9/11.
Politian’s like Peter King gave Gerry Adams awards and even named a street after him.
For years the British had called for NORAID to be stopped because the money was going to terrorist’s.
A United Ireland ,which i want can only be won through consent and rule of law,not bombs.
This issue is the main reason some British do not want to stand ’shoulder to shoulder’.
So i just took the opportunity to address it.
mags on October 3, 2008 at 9:26 AM
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