Open thread: Senate bailoutmania! Update: Bailout passes, 75-24
posted at 7:02 pm on October 1, 2008 by Allahpundit
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The vote’s set for 7:30 ET on C-SPAN, assuming the windbaggery on the floor is finished by then. It should pass with 70+ votes, three of which will come from McCain, Obama, and Biden. Will it pass the House on Friday? All signs point to … no:
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said Wednesday he was “personally disappointed” that the Senate added a package of tax breaks to the bailout bill.
However, Hoyer said he had spoken to House Minority Whip Roy Blunt “four or five” times on Wednesday and expressed hope that they could come to an agreement on the bill.
Tapper delved into this a bit further earlier today:
While the Senate will pass its version of the rescue bill with more than 70 votes, according to Senate sources, Senators have taken the partisan bickering over the rescue bill and added a stalled disagreement over a separate issue — “tax extenders,” or extending various tax relief provisions that are due to expire — into the mix…
But some conservative Democrats have expressed serious concerns about the fact that extending these tax cuts is not being paid for in the budget. Adding the provision may attract House Republicans, but it could alienate these fiscally-conscious Democrats, causing them to abandon the 140 House Democrats who voted for the bill to join the 95 who voted against it…
The implication: not only will Boehner need to provide the entire 13-vote margin that the bill lost by on Monday, but also that the addition of the unpaid-for “tax extenders” could cause up to 17 Democrats who voted for the bill Monday to walk. If not more.
Will the Senate bill clear the House? Will the economy be rescued? Will your humble correspondent succeed in his reckless gambit to hold onto his retirement portfolio until the bailout passes and the market spikes, whereupon he’ll duly unload his shares before the S&P inevitably tanks? Tune in tonight for episode one!
Update: The bailout clears its first hurdle, 75-24, and an anxious blogger lowers the revolver pressed to his temple. Tomorrow night: Russian roulette, as Palin takes the stage against Biden and the House tries to choke down this fat, greasy piece of pork. If it doesn’t? Expect Pelosi to come back with a third iteration of the bill even less palatable to conservatives than this one was. Something’s going to pass soon; we might as well get the best deal we can.
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Not yet, the Senate is pressuring the House to sign on to their bill BUT any of this tax stuff has to start with the House. Now is the time to badger your Congressman like his/her job is on the line. Which, of course, it is in 33 days.
highhopes on October 1, 2008 at 10:09 PM
How about this for the name of this thing:
H. R. 1424 As Amended; Paul Wellstone Mental Health and Addiction Equity Act of 2007
I’m sure you all recognize this as the bailout bill…
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CapedConservative on October 1, 2008 at 10:10 PM
I agree with you on that. Almost impossible. The irony is that the Democrats have more of a hand in this then do the Republicans.
Version 2.0
carbon_footprint on October 1, 2008 at 10:10 PM
no one on fox is talking about the carbon study this bill allows they are stuck on arrows
rsdm9154 on October 1, 2008 at 10:10 PM
I don’t know but for what I remember pretty much everybody was an alcoholic in the USSR
neuquenguy on October 1, 2008 at 10:11 PM
fixed…
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CapedConservative on October 1, 2008 at 10:11 PM
I’m with ya.
atxcowgirl on October 1, 2008 at 10:11 PM
This about sums it up.
BallisticBob on October 1, 2008 at 10:11 PM
This is so not right!!
I AM SO FREAKIN ANGRY!!! WE ARE BEING SO MANIPULATED!!
THEY ALL NEED TO LEAVE OFFICE NOW!!!!!!! JUST LEAVE!!! JUST GO!! ANYWHERE BUT HERE!!!
THEY HAVE SCREWED UP OUR COUNTRY!! THEY HAVE SCREWED UP OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM, OUR ENERGY SUPPLIES, OUR MARKETS, AND SCREWED UP EVERY FREAKIN THING THEY TOUCH!!!
THEY ARE THIEVES AND LIARS!! WE OUGHT TO GO DOWN THERE AND JUST GRAB EVERYONE OF THEM AND DRAG THEM OUT INTO THE STREETS,,, LOCK THE DOORS AND NEVER LET THEM BACK IN THE FREAKIN CAPITAL!!
……………
Oopps,, counting now,,, breathing deeply now,,,
that’s better! I’m ok,,,,
No,, of course I am no advocating any sort of mob mentality or anything like that at all,, no,, we need to just call our congressmen and express our disappointment with their vote tonight.
FREAKIN THIEVES AND LIARS EVERYONE OF THEM!!!
JellyToast on October 1, 2008 at 10:12 PM
csdeven:
No, that is not all this is about. This is about keeping the overnight lending that businesses have to do to operate working. This is about keeping everyday ordinary businesses functioning and meeting payroll. The problem is some people just refuse to believe that and the only way to prove it to them is to let the whole damn economy fall into a steep decline.
Terrye on October 1, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Hah…Asian markets down…futures down +100 already, per Cavuto.
SouthernGent on October 1, 2008 at 10:12 PM
I am buying more ammo.
Out
InTheBellyoftheBeast on October 1, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Per Cavuto: Asian markets and DOW Futures both down since the vote.
flyfisher on October 1, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Fat chance. Neil Cavuto just said futures are down more than 100…
IrishEi on October 1, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Voting for this undermines the very essence of McCain’s campaign. It will be used against him.
nyrofan on October 1, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Not true. The free market could solve this with no cost to us and without socializing our finances. The strong will replace the weak and the transition will be less painless than this bailout will be.
csdeven on October 1, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Excellent point. Behind, no pun intended, closed doors Tarp is affectionately known as the Treasury Ass Rape Program.
patrick neid on October 1, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Yea, I’ll grant that that’s true.
But I think these cries of “coup d’ tat” and “shredded constitution/ USSA ” are outlandish.
silverfox on October 1, 2008 at 10:13 PM
No one knows if this will fix the problem. Some people say it’ll make things worse.
Yep, I don’t agree with the notion that we must do something (!!) or something (!!!!!) might happen.
Pelosi already said there will be no investigations into Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. So good luck with that. They aren’t fixing the problem; so this is gonna happen again. And it’ll be worse the second time around.
Have you not been reading what I’ve been saying for over a week?
lorien1973 on October 1, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Cornyn you have to kiss my vote good bye! (and you are close in this race)
Ropera on October 1, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Even the markets aren’t buying the bailout. They want freedom too.
Fletch54 on October 1, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Jelly Toast:
I contacted my Senators and asked them to support this. I know I heard the other day that Rush Limbaugh did not support this, and I thought Rush is filthy rich, he will be alright. I won’t.
Terrye on October 1, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Maybe the millions of us who feel that way need to congregate in the Republic of Texas (or maybe Mississippi, both of my senators voted no!).
flyfisher on October 1, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Yep. He lost mine too.
Fletch54 on October 1, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Does it matter which banks do the lending?
No it doesn’t. When the poorly run banks fail, strong ones replace them and they start lending money immediately.
The socialism you are praying for will destroy the free market and this country’s future status as a world power.
csdeven on October 1, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Who cares about ammo?
Now, wooden arrows–that’s the right stuff. I want Greta Van Ambulance Chaser to continue to devote the next hour to wooden arrows!
BryanS on October 1, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Me too…I’m serious…something is very very wrong here…even Cavuto!
CCRWM on October 1, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Or on 10W-40. Perhaps that would help us “take” all those wooden arrows.
NightmareOnKStreet on October 1, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Fletch:
That is crazy. They are holding their breath to see if it really happens. Believe it or not freedom has nothing to do with it.
Terrye on October 1, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Forgiven…………… speaking of Congress, I don’t think the MSM is having the effect that they think they have, especially after watching the love fest between Reid and Dodd.
It’s almost like a town full of women who have been raped by the same two guys, watching as their attackers stand in front of a camera, slapping each other on the back for what a good job they are doing……………………….
…………… yeah, I think when this thing hits the House, and the American people have a look at what exactly these political hacks have tried to hide in this abomination, Reid and Dodd will be hiding behind Pelosi.
Every day that passes and our total economy does not collapse is a bad one for the Democrats. The majority of us get up and go to work……….. you want to buy a car or a house, call your local bank, they got money. Just try it…… go to any ATM machine on any corner and take out a few bucks……. all is good, this is all a political sham. If not, the Democrats have the votes in the House and Senate, pass your friggin bill if you have the balls/
The only people in trouble here are the Democrats that prompt up a Government program, backed it by Federal legislation that forced banks to lend money to people who could not prove that they could pay it back or were even legal citizens, and in turn funded their political agendas……….. let them fail. Bring those responsible to light, and put them in a cold dark jail cell for a very, very, very long time.
Seven Percent Solution on October 1, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Yeah it is. So is the talk of apocalypse on the pro-bailout side. There is no apocalypse.
But this is the first step to socialism, like it or not. Due to this, it’ll be harder to say “no” next time.
The moral hazard has been removed.
Also with Reid’s inclusion of the mental health thing, we’ll have health insurance companies going belly up in a few years.
And since they aren’t going to fix or even investigate the causes, this is gonna happen again in a few years.
Welcome to the future. It’s grim.
lorien1973 on October 1, 2008 at 10:16 PM
*taps* playing softly.
tru2tx on October 1, 2008 at 10:17 PM
And by the way, the only way to get the market to work is to bring the government into it. That is just a fact. Otherwise, we face capitalism with capital.
And there is no one who can change those rules and regs but government. There is no one who can raise the FDIC insurance but government. There is no one who can investigate Fannie and Freddie and a lot of these other thieves, liars and crooks, but government. That is not socialism, that is their job.
Do you really believe the stuff you say, or do you just work at extremem and frightening cluelessness?
On another note, it doesn’t matter what way we turn right now: with the Terrye’s of the world, I do believe we are screwed either way in November. It’s just a matter of Slower (McCain) or Obama(faster)
Noelie on October 1, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Canada is looking good as a free market country.
Jukin is frowning.
jukin on October 1, 2008 at 10:17 PM
That’s always been the choice. Slowly or quickly. Neither party wants the free market any longer. People want guarantees in life. Spreading misery is the only way to do it.
lorien1973 on October 1, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Don’t worry folks.
The House of Representatives will kill this bill again, either in committee or by vote. Representatives serve two year terms and are far more susceptible to public pressure than the Senate aristocracy.
Mike Honcho on October 1, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Might want to take a closer look.
neuquenguy on October 1, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Me 3
atxcowgirl on October 1, 2008 at 10:20 PM
I’m having a funeral for my copy of the Constitution at my place Friday night, anyone who is interested can come.
Bishop on October 1, 2008 at 10:20 PM
The polls have been trending in favor of the bailout, I don’t know what’s happening with representatives phone lines.
neuquenguy on October 1, 2008 at 10:21 PM
csdven:
I don’t think you know what you are talking about.
I am not just talking about banks closing. I am talking about credit drying up overnight.That is what is happening. It is not about banks buying banks. In Europe interest shot up 11% just like that.
In the US businesses that have to buy inventory and stock it are starting to have trouble finding money anywhere. That is what overnight lending is. These are the kinds of loans businesses need to operate on a day to day business. If it all about large banks eating small ones no one would give a damn. That has been happening for years.
Terrye on October 1, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Flores! Flores por lose muertos! Los muertos! Los muertos!
lorien1973 on October 1, 2008 at 10:21 PM
For those talking about buying guns and ammunition, last weekend I dropped a deer rifle off at my gun shop for a repair and the place was packed. It is a small store, certainly not a hangout. In the past I’ve never seen more than 2-3 other customers. But Saturday there were actual lines to see and handle weapons and buy ammunition. Some were buying more than one gun and they were running low on inventory. After studying the crowd, I asked rather loudly if anyone was an Obama voter. I would be banned if I posted their responses.
Folks are fighting mad! They want to save this country. I just hope their anger didn’t come too late.
flyfisher on October 1, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Anyone have a link to how they voted? I know already one of my (R) senators (Rino Coleman you bitch) was going to vote for it because he is a RINO and a pandering jerkoff and an ex-DFL’er and a RINO and a bitch.
Ah, forget it, the other senator of mine is a hardcore democrat.
Can anyone in Texas spare a room for me and my family?
Bishop on October 1, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Time to start over again. SECESSION NOW!
ManlyRash on October 1, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Shouldn’t you be saving it for Obama’s National Constitution (and Bible) Burning Day?
neuquenguy on October 1, 2008 at 10:23 PM
That is from a scene in a movie I once saw.
ManlyRash on October 1, 2008 at 10:24 PM
$4 trillion in welfare wasn’t enough.
free houses won’t be enough.
will free healthcare be enough?
we’ll find out soon.
SCHIP will be passed in january.
lorien1973 on October 1, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Anyone have a link to how they voted? I know already one of my (R) senators (Rino Coleman you bitch) was going to vote for it because he is a RINO and a pandering jerkoff and an ex-DFL’er and a RINO and a bitch.
Ah, forget it, the other senator of mine is a hardcore democrat.
Can anyone in Texas spare a room for me and my family???
Bishop on October 1, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Remember when Alexander Hamilton had the Federal Government assume the debt of the states? That sure signaled the death of the republic.
phronesis on October 1, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Freedom has everything to do with a free market, and the market sees that freedom fading fast.
Fletch54 on October 1, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Actually, that is the problem. I’ve observed it first hand. Banks have all of a sudden gotten really squirrelly about lending money. My business is doing fine, but like most small businesses, I rely on bank loans to grow it. It looks like for the next year, rather than growing I will need to conserve cash.
BryanS on October 1, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Quick Change. The underlying message of that movie is awesome.
lorien1973 on October 1, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Ropera,
Me too. And I don’t know why there is any reason to vote for McCain in November. He will never, ever, ever, stand up for the constitution. He is too willing to go along to get along. What’s the point of having a veto if you never use it except against republicans? Let the democrats have it.
Sue on October 1, 2008 at 10:25 PM
About a year ago Glenn Beck spent a lot of time talking about the various secession movements around the country. If memory serves there was a secession convention in Chattanooga last year. I haven’t heard anything about organized movements lately, but it won’t be long.
flyfisher on October 1, 2008 at 10:25 PM
That’s just plain stupid. Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
IrishEi on October 1, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Palin is hot?
lorien1973 on October 1, 2008 at 10:26 PM
YES! Thanks.
ManlyRash on October 1, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Can someone point me to a country that embraces capitalism? I need to move.
David in ATL on October 1, 2008 at 10:26 PM
And along with the free mental health care, I believe the Soviets and Chinese threw in free room and board also. No worries about mortgages (or jobs). Is this the change Obama had in mind?
jerseyman on October 1, 2008 at 10:26 PM
The constitution is merely an historical document at this point.
Sue on October 1, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Shouldn’t you be saving it for Obama’s National Constitution (and Bible) Burning Day?
neuquenguy on October 1, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Nope, I will refuse to come out of the deep lake country to participate.
Cabelas just sold a brand new M4 with all the fixin’s, they just won’t know that until I get there tomorrow.
Bishop on October 1, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Yes. In a naughty MILF librarian sort of way that invites all sorts of naughty speculation.
ManlyRash on October 1, 2008 at 10:27 PM
My themed gang offers:
Free uniforms and beanies
Free spikes bolted to the front of your car
Healthcare plan (assuming you live long enough)
401-k (assuming you live long enough)
Sawdust soup AND bark sandwiches
lorien1973 on October 1, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Did any of you catch what Major Garrett said about Palin that he is now retracting or apologizing for?
CCRWM on October 1, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Palin is hot?
This has probably ruined her more than any interview or debate she ever has. I just hope the people of Alaska still love her when she goes home.
Sue on October 1, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Looks like communist China is trending that way
neuquenguy on October 1, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Yes. The New American Republic – once it secedes from the U.S.S.A.
ManlyRash on October 1, 2008 at 10:28 PM
no, this is about a huge govt power grab. its about people like you trusting those in power that “the sky is falling” just because they say so, its about trusting those who created the mess we have to fix it. its about giving up more of your liberty and you will never get it back, a recession we can climb out of. read this for a little perspective and stop wetting your pants. stand up for republican principles if you really are a republican.
chasdal on October 1, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Noelie:
Yes, I believe the stuff I say. And I don’t really care if you do or not.
So, if the government does not sit the rules and regulations for lenders and banks, who does? If the government does not control the FDIC who does? You?
I mean come on people.
The Heritage Foundation is not known as a freedom hating bunch of socialists and they support this plan, or one like it.
Steve Forbes, is a well known free marketer and he supports doing this.
You can bury your heads in the sand all you want, but the government helped create this situation, if they do not step in the credit markets will freeze up….and then what do you think will happen?
Terrye on October 1, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Light up those phone lines again. Let your Representatives know that you’re pissed and you actually vote. Let them know that it will be you and not the bubble headed morons randomly polled out of the phone book that will decide their fate come next election.
Mike Honcho on October 1, 2008 at 10:29 PM
My guy Feingold voted against it.
BadgerHawk on October 1, 2008 at 10:29 PM
I feel a little better now too…glad you got that off our chests…
CCRWM on October 1, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Yes, as I said on another post: Look on the bright side. George Soros (and his sockpuppet B. Hussein O.) intend to legalize all illicit drugs. Toke up. We got another 1,497 days until the next election. Dude.
NightmareOnKStreet on October 1, 2008 at 10:29 PM
The constitution is merely an historical document at this point.
Sue on October 1, 2008 at 10:26 PM
As the left would say (and apparently quite a few on the right too): a quaint, irrelevant leftover from the distant past.
Maybe Ocommie can draft a new Constitution to match his Great Seal of Obama.
Bishop on October 1, 2008 at 10:29 PM
What state do you live in?
JonPrichard on October 1, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Sorry I missed the convention. I imagine that quite a bit of talking is going on now.
ManlyRash on October 1, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Did any of you catch what Major Garrett said about Palin that he is now retracting or apologizing for?
CCRWM on October 1, 2008 at 10:27 PM
IrishEi on October 1, 2008 at 10:30 PM
How would those gun buyers react to this from Army Times? It seems the military is deploying to maintain civil order in the United States. That scares me.
Stayright on October 1, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Tomorrow night is going to be fun. Bring lots of popcorn…and mops for the blood.
ManlyRash on October 1, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Remember, when Wall Street falls hundreds of billions of dollars short, it is called a “massive crisis”. But when Washington, DC falls hundreds of billions of dollars short, it is called “2008″.
If the future is grim… we have been in the future for quite a while now.
I like this post.
We need to remember that government has a healthy role to play in capitalism. For example, the trucking industry is mostly private sector, but the interstate highway system is definitely not.
And when truckers fall asleep and kill people, government has to step in and require sleep logs.
And when bridges fail and people die, the public needs to realize they have not been keeping the government on the ball (we are the bosses –really– and we are all to blame ultimately), and money has to be spent to bring bridges up to par.
silverfox on October 1, 2008 at 10:32 PM
For the 10th time I plead with Michelle to fire this libtard.
bill30097 on October 1, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Anybody catch Pelosi’s statement on the Senate passage. The only thing that would make me gag more, would be waking up next to her.
Two words; “Coyote Ugly”
Star20 on October 1, 2008 at 10:32 PM
WHAT??
NightmareOnKStreet on October 1, 2008 at 10:33 PM
No,, of course I am no advocating any sort of mob mentality or anything like that at all,, no,, we need to just call our congressmen and express our disappointment with their vote tonight.
I am, because a call expressing your disappointment and a dollar will buy you a stale beef-jerky at the gas station.
These jackoffs have supposedly put-off 1929 and in return they are going to get either 1776 or 1860.
Bishop on October 1, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Yeah…Pelosi welcoming and looking forward to a bipartisan solution. uhmm, sure.
BryanS on October 1, 2008 at 10:34 PM
The interstate system is part of this country’s defense network. Did you know that? States, alone, could not coordinate that.
lorien1973 on October 1, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Mississippi, roughly a mile from the Memphis, Tennessee line. I’m from Memphis, but had to move to get away from the crime, taxes, and other social pathologies of a longtime liberal-run city.
flyfisher on October 1, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Were McCain ahead in the polls, I’d guess they were being called back to keep the savages from rioting when Obama loses. Then again, they may be needed to keep the savages from rioting when Obama wins.
Savages, after all, are savages.
ManlyRash on October 1, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Uh, that would be illegal, Posse Commitatus and all.
JonPrichard on October 1, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Was the sarcasm tag really necessary there?
phronesis on October 1, 2008 at 10:35 PM
DUDE! That’s my sister. Quit fcuking with me. //whispers// Shh. I’m stoned. Dude.
NightmareOnKStreet on October 1, 2008 at 10:35 PM
They didn’t fix, or even address, what got us here. What happens when the practice of lending to people who can’t afford the loan continues? Even if this is a short-term fix, which I don’t believe anyway, what happens when we find ourselves right back in this pickle barrel?
Sue on October 1, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Stayright,
What state are you in?
By the way, I haven’t had a gun since Nam, but I’ve been thinking about getting one. Doubt if I could find anything like my old 20MM Cannon.
Star20 on October 1, 2008 at 10:35 PM
chasdal:
Oh spare me. I am not wetting my pants. That is so stupid.
And I am not believing just what anyone tells me either. This has been coming for awhile. It is not a plot or a conspiracy, or something some people just made up.
There are people all over the world who are feeling the effects of this. It is not just the government, or the Bush administration or a hand full of rich and powerful Senators and corporations.
This is global. Rational and sane people all over the planet are seeing the effects of it and to pretend there is nothing to it, is just foolhardy.
and no, I have no interest in reading your link. I have read and listened to enough on this in recent days.
Terrye on October 1, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Yeah,, it’s all gonna be ok. We’ll all be just fine. I feel good. I really do.
Why,, I have free mental health care now, and ya know,, I just might use it some day.
But, too, many of us are over reacting,,, socialism is not so bad,,, Bid Bro is, well, big Bro is our friend. Our Big Freakin Friend.
I get all fuzzy just thinkin about ol Big Bro.
Yep,, big socialist Bro,, my buddy,,
he’s gonna save my 401k,,(for now) and give me a free house to live in.
He saves me from things like,, well, light bulbs for instance. He took um all from me and gave me some that he said would save me and save the world.
You know,, I was just too dumb to know my light bulbs were killin me and the world. But ol Big Bro,, he know alright! And he dun fixed it and saved me!
He does other thins too, like,, well, he tells me stuff, like ,, how to wash my hands and how to cook my food, and wat food I shouldn’t eat and wat I should,, he even want me to know important thins like, well ,, about wool. I don’t know nuthn much about wool,, but ol Big Bro knows i should know all there is bout wool,, so he’s gonna get a study done and then tell me all bout it! In fact,, knowing bout wool is so important ol Big Bro knew it had ta be part of this “Save the World An We Need Ta Take Over” spendin bill! He knew somtin I didn’t,, that once all the world crashes down cause of how I been livin and eating and drivin my pick up truck,, he knew I’d need some wool ta keep me warm in ta winter. So,, well,, ol Big Bro is on the job an he’s doin just fine an we all gonna be real OK!!
JellyToast on October 1, 2008 at 10:35 PM
1776 ended well. 1860 (1865, actually)? Not so much.
ManlyRash on October 1, 2008 at 10:35 PM
ManlyRash on October 1, 2008 at 10:32 PM
You know, I had planned on going to a McCain meeting/rally that’s being held at a local pub tomorrow night. Hot & cold buffet with a one-hour open bar, followed by the debate in the company of real Americans. Sounded pretty good.
I am so disgusted now I don’t know if I’ll even bother. Better to sit at home and play with the Rocket Widgets from my empty Guinness cans…
IrishEi on October 1, 2008 at 10:36 PM
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