Will Pelosi’s second attempt at a bailout include ACORN? Update: Dow loses 777 points, more than on 9/11; Update: $1.1 trillion in market value lost
posted at 4:18 pm on September 29, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Why not? She tried a bipartisan bill and got nothing for it. What’s stopping her from turning it into a Christmas tree for the left and passing it on a strict party-line vote? Bush will sign it regardless and Senate Republicans will be under tremendous pressure to decline a filibuster with the Dow down 600 points today and god knows where tomorrow. This is the flaw in the “if the majority thinks it’s so important, let them pass it” approach: They will pass it, on their terms, and they’ll point to Republicans like Gingrich and Paul Ryan and the Journal — and Paulson and Bernanke, of course — who’ve acknowledged this is an emergency to take credit for rescuing the economy. All they have to do is wait a few days until the public’s good and terrified and the polls on the bailout start to reverse. They’re reversing already.
A number of Republican House members and staff, along with others who are plugged in, are telling me that Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats will come back with a new bill that includes all the left-wing stuff that was scrubbed from the bill that was defeated today in the House.
As this scenario goes, the House Democrats need 218 votes, and they have to pick up a number of black and Hispanic House members who jumped ship because the Wall Street provisions, in their view, were too benign. So things like the bankruptcy judges setting mortgage terms and rates, the ACORN slush-fund spending, the union proxy for corporate boards, stricter limits on executive compensation, and much larger equity ownership of selling banks through warrants will all find itself back in the new bill. Of course, this scenario will lose more Republican votes. But insiders tell me President Bush will take Secretary Paulson’s advice and sign that kind of legislation.
House Republicans weren’t willing to swallow a bitter pill today so they’ll swallow a more bitter pill later this week. And guess what? They’ll still get killed at the polls in November. Bill Kristol thinks McCain’s only chance now is to stop campaigning (again) and come back to D.C. to try to drive through a compromise. If he succeeds, it’ll prove his leadership and calm the markets. I don’t see how he’s supposed to pull that off, though, when the entire Democratic leadership will be primed to whine about how he’s only making things worse by being there, is ruining delicate negotiations, etc. If Kristol’s serious about solving the crisis and willing to sacrifice electoral gain to do so, there’s an easy compromise solution: Have McCain and Obama do some sort of joint appearance, maybe a presser, urging support for a bailout. That’ll swing public opinion sufficiently to remove the political incentives to voting no and give Pelosi the 10 votes she needs to pass it now. There’s no gain for McCain at the polls in doing so, admittedly, but he’s the guy who preaches “country first.” Here’s his chance.
Update: This is day one.
The Dow closed the day down 777.68 points, or 6.89 percent, beating its previous record for an intraday drop of 721.56 points, set during the first trading day after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. Still, in percentage terms, the decline remained well below the more than 20 percent drops seen on Black Monday of October 1987 and the Depression.
“This is panic, and fear is running amok,” one trader told CNBC. “We are in a classic financial meltdown, and it’s panic-based. We’re seeing panic selling.”
Update: The wealth lost today on the market — just today — exceeds the cost of the bailout considerably.
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real estate lawyer told me, M/I homes was running a deal if you used their mortgage company to buy new.
1st year, 3% interest
2nd year, 4% interest
3rd year, 5% fixed for life of loan.
it was probably some sort of HUD insured loan is my guess. I got ‘interest free’ for 6 months, then a fixed rate that is normal amount.
I”m predicting Dave Ramsey’s show will start to get record ratings.
jp on September 29, 2008 at 4:45 PM
That’s what Cavuto said – computer generated selling.
tru2tx on September 29, 2008 at 4:45 PM
What’s happening with credit spreads and failing financial institutions would be more than a 2 minute story regardless of who was in the White House.
What is happening right now isn’t merely for today’s journalists to cover, but it is something that historians will study decades from now.
dedalus on September 29, 2008 at 4:45 PM
What’s the percentage comparison between today’s drop and 9/11?
CP on September 29, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Pelosi just couldn’t resist shooting her big mouth off at the one yard line, and what happens? It was enough to move representatives already rattled by constituent outcries to bite the bullet and vote “no.” So instead of running the ball over the goal line, she ran her mouth and got her fat ass knocked back to the 50… excellent.
D2Boston on September 29, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Yes they are. It’s worth remembering that we don’t value democracy because it’s a good thing. We value it only because the alternatives are worse.
Come and sit in on my American government class on Tuesday and Thursday mornings and listen to college students who think Congress vetos legislation; who can’t identity the head of the executive branch of government; or who can’t name the municipality in which they live. It will take all of the democrat (lower-case d) right out of you.
paul006 on September 29, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Perspective -
September 29, 2008: DOW drops -777.68 or 6.98%.
October 19, 1987: DOW drops 508.32 points or 22.6%.
KentAllard on September 29, 2008 at 4:46 PM
The feds just pushed 630 billion into the market.
Where’s that?
Paulson is a damn Dim, anyway. He passed the Republican caucus info to that dumbass Bambi.
If they want to push us into socialism, our dollar will be worthless, anyway.
TexasJew on September 29, 2008 at 4:47 PM
When the yield on short term treasuries begins trading negative (like it did briefly last week), that means that the FIXED INCOME markets have tanked, and the panic is global.
So even the smart people, who haven’t been in the stock market for the past 12 months, but have their money in “safe” short term bond funds are at risk at taking it in the shorts…
This needed to get passed last Monday, and all these dip-sticks in DC can do is fiddle while banks fail globally.
phreshone on September 29, 2008 at 4:47 PM
class
ThePrez on September 29, 2008 at 4:47 PM
I think I recall that we’re of similar mind regarding the bailout, but regarding falling housing prices: the only way to bolster them is to maintain and bolster the credit-bubble. Otherwise there will simply be fewer buyers, (even if they are unqualified), and housing prices will correct accordingly. Of course, the credit-bubble is the cause of this problem in the first place and can’t be maintained indefinitely as illustrated by the present crisis.
FloatingRock on September 29, 2008 at 4:47 PM
So the guy next door bought his house, and it has gone up in value in the past 6 months. He could sell if for $75,000 more then he bought it for. There goes your theory…
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The Dems need the Repub for input, otherwise the song will be “I guess Obama was lying about wanting Repub input”.
The Repubs should call back McCain, ask him to intercede, have him fly up to Kennedy to his bedside, and then make a bipartisan statement that the bill will be passed on Wednesday, with basically no changes. Kennedy’s last act of working across party lines to complete a bill, and his last real act of friendship towards McCain.
Tearfully, it will pass…hopefully Obama will be behind some gym smoking…
right2bright on September 29, 2008 at 4:47 PM
“For who by worrying can add another hour to his life”.
I’m not worrying. Are you?
Sakaki on September 29, 2008 at 4:47 PM
My GOD, Allah…
You are truly a whiner.
You’re actually SUCCUMBING to the fear perpetrated by the Democrats including Bush and Paulson, and are ADVOCATING socialism.
You’re a sheeple.
fossten on September 29, 2008 at 4:47 PM
Yeah, I’m going to give my financial guy a call to see where to put my money to best capitalize on the long-term recovery of this thing. I’m still about 25-30 years away from retirement.
Slublog on September 29, 2008 at 4:47 PM
This just in from CNBC…. a Democrat representative from Wisconsin said he was getting 100:1 calls against this bill from his typical dumb, idiotic, uneducated, local arts college educated, gun clinging, bible thumping constituents. (Italics words are mine)..
..but that he is working for the people of Wisconsin and not the billionaires of Wall Street.
SWEET.
Mcguyver on September 29, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Paulson, Pelosi and company snubbed the House Republicans from the start. This isn’t about “hurt feelings” over her stupid speech, it’s old time hard ball. If you want to box in the R’s to give you cover for a bill you know is critical, you don’t start by snubbing them, then calling them unpatriotic for not coming to the meeting, and you certainly don’t try to lay the stinking corpse at their feet just minutes before they vote. The woman is really, really stupid. You can make all the partisan speeches you like, AFTER the vote, dummy!!
FalseProfit on September 29, 2008 at 4:48 PM
We don’t need no stinkink bailouts.
argos on September 29, 2008 at 4:48 PM
I’m with you on that, except I don’t think Allen Greenspan really knows what to do.
As for buying a house–The problems with housing right now should be a) owning a house that is worth less than the loan you look out on it, and b) not being able to get a loan to buy one with.
Provided you don’t have a problem with foreclosure, and you don’t plan or re-selling the house sometime soon, you’re probably okay. You might have gotten a better price had you waited (maybe), but then you may have had a problem getting the load.
Count to 10 on September 29, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Good analogy…like the quote the coach hangs on the lockers of all the players to motivate them. She was a fool…
right2bright on September 29, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Me too.. there is no fight in him at all..
or he doesn’t care anymore..
he’ll still get his pension after all this..
DaveC on September 29, 2008 at 4:49 PM
Every thing she says or does has ‘a CORN’ in it!
TheSitRep on September 29, 2008 at 4:49 PM
ouch.
load->loan
Count to 10 on September 29, 2008 at 4:49 PM
The politicians’ corporate backers want the taxpayer to buy their screwed-up toxic loans while they keep the good ones. Do I have this right? Strong winds knock the dead wood out of trees, that’s all this is. Why would you allow your investments to be handled by someone named “BROKER?”
Tom
marinetbryant on September 29, 2008 at 4:49 PM
Depends.
Did you get the mortgage through ACORN? CRA?
:)
Look, if your income is steady, and you can make the payments, you’ll be fine.
IF you don’t get a lame ARM with no money down and the mortgage payment is 50% of your gross before tax income. In that case, you immediately default and then take advantage of the program to write-off/restructure the loan after the lame government passes this stupid bailout plan.
Got it?
Sapwolf on September 29, 2008 at 4:49 PM
Buy Low sell High…
Get ready to Buy…
Chakra Hammer on September 29, 2008 at 4:50 PM
Agreed. Politics is a public relations oriented business….And the Republicans are public relations idiots.
tgharris on September 29, 2008 at 4:50 PM
McCain needs to get Bush to suspend trading until the hysteria is past…ready to lead.
Wyznowski on September 29, 2008 at 4:50 PM
Where are the adults when they are desperately needed to discuss this serious situation? Or, is it really, really that serious? Why precisely is it that serious? Kinda like a crash….the who, what, when, where and how are important details to make honest decisions. Is there anyone out there that can do this without any partisanship and in an adult-like fashion? I haven’t been able to find anyone in the media. They are all so partisan it gets all mixed up. And, so far, there hasn’t been anyone here either!
sharinlite on September 29, 2008 at 4:50 PM
The Dow lost 684.81 following the 9/11 attacks, a loss of just over 7 percent versus 6.9 percent today.
Freedom does not come without sacrifice once in a while. This is when the socialists go for the power grab.
Valiant on September 29, 2008 at 4:50 PM
Until he sells the house, actually has the money in hand, it hasn’t gone up in value. He may think, and a realtor may have told him, it has gone up that much, but only a buyer (if the buyer can get financing) will prove how much it is really worth.
FalseProfit on September 29, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Professor, It’s a great time to buy a house! Read rockmom’s comment at 4:57pm.
Bunch of wusses!
Vince on September 29, 2008 at 4:51 PM
If you’ve got a little extra cash laying around get out there and buy! This is exactly how some of the rich will get richer. They will start buying up distressed securities and make a killing when the market recovers.
DerKrieger on September 29, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Let them put ACORN back in … they won’t get away with that with the American people. NO BAILOUT!
Folks … do you really think Congress is “smarter” than the market? Hell no … No Bailout! Let the Congressfools go and play tidlywinks … they are smart enough for that … but not smart enough for the markets!
Today was a VICTORY! Yep we may have a depression – and we KNOW who caused all this! DEMOCRATS.
HondaV65 on September 29, 2008 at 4:51 PM
European banks failing. The crisis spreads.
phronesis on September 29, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Rule of thumb..
Buy Low sell High…
Get ready to Buy…
Buy on the Sounds of Bombs..
Sell on the Sounds of Trumpets..
Chakra Hammer on September 29, 2008 at 4:52 PM
How about another recess? That’ll work.
argos on September 29, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Guess the pundit:
Cuffy Meigs on September 29, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Maybe Republicans should consider fashioning a mavericky bipartisan deal directly with some of the dissenting Dems and bypass the imbecilic liberal Dem leadership.
FloatingRock on September 29, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Bush/Paulson/Bernake are responsible for the drop today. Emergency psychology is a tool of statists. I hope they are happy. The market will come back- it always does.
Valiant on September 29, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Just a reminder. This was a news item on September 15th:
The Dow ended that day at 10,365. The next day, September 16th, it closed up at 11,059.
Let’s not panic, and let’s not worry too much about point drop statistics;it’s percentages that matter.
Buy Danish on September 29, 2008 at 4:53 PM
The stock market will rally, regardless of the bailout. So with the credit market. In 1929 the market had recovered nearly all of its non-bubble losses (ie excluding the speculative gains between July-September 1929) by early 1930 and by April was almost exactly where it was in July. If the Hoover and Roosevelt administrations had not adopted interventionist policies, the problem would have corrected itself.
The current problem is a bit more fundamental, rather than technical, but it isn’t any where near as severe. It may be awhile before things get back to normal, but this would be a great time to start investing.
The political fiasco, however, is another story. I predict that Republicans will get blamed for any short-term bad effects and Democrats will get credit for any short-term positives and no one will pay attention to the long term. That being said, I still think it is better that this bailout failed, even if it means an Obama presidency. Republicans seem to have more integrity and better ideas when they are in the opposition. I don’t think that is inevitable, but it does look likely.
JackOfClubs on September 29, 2008 at 4:53 PM
No one buys at the bottom, but it is near bottom. Just as long as you worked them over real good, and you worked the Realtor over on commission real good.
No sense in leaving money on the table…if yours was the only offer, you might think about “buyers remorse”, and ask them to knock off another $5-10,000 because of the “bad economic” news. It won’t hurt and the worse they can say is no. Go for $10,000 and settle for $7,500, then buy me a beer.
right2bright on September 29, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Uh. It was their own money they lost. Not mine and not yours.
Moral hazard is in play here.
Don’t play that game.
lorien1973 on September 29, 2008 at 4:53 PM
every other financial advisor on all the morning talkies have been saying pretty much what Dave have been practicing for years..
A.) Get out of debt.
B.) 3-6 months of savings stashed away,
C.) Use cash..
DaveC on September 29, 2008 at 4:54 PM
The Dow will be recover 100% of losses by Friday as investors go bargain hunting. My opinion.
DerKrieger on September 29, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Who Cuffy, who?
Vince on September 29, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Rule of thumb..
Buy Low sell High…
Get ready to Buy…
Buy on the Sounds of Bombs..
Sell on the Sounds of Trumpets..
——-
When is the re-vote? Also need to find someone that knows the market to see which ones will rebound rapidly, and which ones took the dive..
Chakra Hammer on September 29, 2008 at 4:54 PM
And don’t forget the Realtors can always chip in a little bit from their commish to make the deal. Realtors are hungary for a sale.
right2bright on September 29, 2008 at 4:54 PM
There’s a reason for that Slu. You’re a nominal supporter of those Republicans, and you’re chomping at the bit to blame them for it. You’ve already swallowed the narrative and are trying to glean what self-respect you can from your given position by saying I told you so. You’ve taking your place as a whipped dog in this fight, wishing the other dogs would just calm down so you would stop getting beaten.
Instead of reinforcing the assumptions of the narrative, why don’t you actually do something to reinforce the truth?
spmat on September 29, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Most of the dissenters dissented because they wanted the pork back in the bill. *smack*
WAKE UP
ManlyRash on September 29, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Probably. I’ll be buying stocks soon. Finally, stocks will be priced where you don’t have to be a billionaire to get in.
Normally, you’d think that was a good thing. Weird.
lorien1973 on September 29, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Allah, this time YOU are full of hot air!! First, the ACORN crap WAS in the bill that was on the floor today – it was well disguised but still there (Look at Sec. 109). I read all 110 pages of that POS and damn near lost my dinner last night doing so.
Time to revive the Mike Pence proposal, which is an industry-financed proposal with a gov. backstop and not a taxpayer bailout.
I’m glad the majority of the Republicans had the courage to stand up and say “Hell no – I’m NOT eating this crap sandwich”, and I even have to give the Democrats that voted “NO” a pat on the back: no matter what their reason they did do the right thing.
Paulson figured he was going to get his Demorat buddies in Congress to cover his and his crooked buddies’ posteriors. Well he guessed wrong. The people have spoken – now let’s go back to the table and craft a real solution.
Bill_Bowen on September 29, 2008 at 4:55 PM
What really gets me is that they were quoting Warren Buffet saying we have to do this bailout AFTER he put 5 billion in Goldman sachs in hopes they would do the the bailout. not exactly unbiased even though he is a smart man.
kangjie on September 29, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Update: The wealth lost today on the market — just today — exceeds the cost of the bailout considerably.
Exactly. That’s a faulty analysis, AP.
Cuffy Meigs on September 29, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Drill here, drill now, use all royalty payments to pay down US public debt. Why is that so hard to conceive for the Dims?
DerKrieger on September 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Some are even Czech or Slovak.
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk….
ManlyRash on September 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM
I think you are right, but I’m not all that smart.
huckleberryfriend on September 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM
I just hope our enemies don’t see this as an opportunity. Being poor is one thing, being dead is slightly worse.
Zetterson on September 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Capitalism does not ensure profits.
Spirit of 1776 on September 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM
yep
funky chicken on September 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM
I believe the appropriate netiquette here is: +1
Count to 10 on September 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM
I think there a Democrats who want to get re elected that won’t go along with this you witnessed 95 of them today. Why is it the Republicans always forget that there are Moderate and Blue Dog Democrats look at the pie chart for the Democrat Party. The seats picked up in the house in 2006 were Blue Dog Democrats they didn’t go along with her today…why because their constituents back home told them you better not if you want to get re elected. You all know these Democrats they call them the Reagan Democrats they are not Socialist. So lets see Nancy Pelosi get something passed without them.
Dr Evil on September 29, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Reasons why the Republicans should abandon their principles, ignore their constituents and bend over:
1.Stable markets are more important than freedom
2.The apocalypse will be blamed on them
3.Palosi might pass a horrible partisan bill without them
4.The MSM might not like them
5.The Democrats might not like them
6.It does nothing to fix the real problem but might buy Wall Street a couple of months
7.America is doomed for eternity if they don’t
8.American people cannot survive financial adversity
9.Bush, Obama, Reed, Palosi and Frank say so
10. Bail me out once…..
neuquenguy on September 29, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Ed and Allah, we need a blog post of CNBC’s Rick Santelli’s RANT!!!!
Get me the Rick Santelli’s phone number and email!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mcguyver on September 29, 2008 at 4:57 PM
DaveC:
What makes you think the cash is going to worth much if the dollar tanks?
Terrye on September 29, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Rumor has it he’s a New Yorker
He’s a reckless lawyer
I hear he carries several whips
A sultan of Wall Street with women at his fingertips
They say he’s nearly seven feet tall
And yet quite graceful……all in all
I’m told he waddles when he walks
And often twitches when he talks
Is he a dolt? No, he’s very deep!
Oh, Hotair’s losing sleep!
Who is Allahpundit?
Is Allahpundit a defiant hero
Or maybe just a fiddling Nero
But he sure has spunk
Oh bunk
The man’s a turncoat lout
No, he’s just not one to with the talking points shout
The secret simply will not keep
For Hotair’s losing sleep
It’s time to break the spell
Won’t someone bloody tell?
Who is Allahpundit?
Tav on September 29, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Ugh. This isn’t good all the way around. I am shocked that the thing didn’t pass, mostly because so many Dems voted against. Who saw that coming?
But, I don’t know what to believe either. Will the markets tank further, or will they recover as people calm the hell down? Allah is right…they could easily load that thing up again with Lefty handouts, and it could pass on a party-line vote. Cutting off the nose to spite the face, or something like that?
changer1701 on September 29, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Is this a class you attend or you present?
Steve McCullough on September 29, 2008 at 4:58 PM
It very well could. And the price of oil dropped today, which is a silver lining.
Buy Danish on September 29, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Sweet, let’s jack the bailout up then!!! WTF. I’m just one dude and I own a few stocks, but nobody is bailing me out while they tank!
RightWinged on September 29, 2008 at 4:58 PM
But, what is the trade-off long-term? What if the market goes back up eventually and we’re still stuck for two-decades with the gov’t owning half-the country’s mortgages?
CP on September 29, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Mcguyver on September 29, 2008 at 4:59 PM
Most of the algorithms being used are flawed for “out-of-band” occurrences, but this appears to be purely stops being hit. If you want a good read, get When Genius Failed. Get a good cup of whatever you like and take a long read…
SkinnerVic on September 29, 2008 at 4:59 PM
Stock value is not wealth. Nothing was “lost.”
Now, some people with trade stock for wealth, but that is a separate matter.
Count to 10 on September 29, 2008 at 4:59 PM
TIN HAT MOMENT!!
Maybe they wanted this to happen so the the great unwashed (us) would get on board with the program.
Cindy Munford on September 29, 2008 at 4:59 PM
The market, which is generally run on something far removed from logic, had to fall today. It was a form of orchestrated pressure to get the gravy train directed straight to them.
If the bailout was clearly and finally dead, the market could — and likely would — correct itself?
What companies — aside from those based on the kind of paper-shuffling that now seems to rule the economy — failed? What natural disaster today destroyed productivity or resources?
None.
Larry Kudlow, the WSJ and others with a vested interest in no regulation and plenty of no-strings federal money to bail their butts out of mistakes made out of avarice pulled the strings: “The market’s gonna CRASH if we don’t get the freebies we want!”
And Congress listened. The bill failed precisely because cooler heads demanded accountability and some sense of order, something both Democrats and financiers abhor. And it coincidentally failed because it didn’t have all the giveaways the Dems need to swap for votes.
Anyone who heard Kucinich yesterday knows that.
So we have an artificial system that holds the entire nation hostage, and those who profit the most are in control.
Those who actually have to pay for it are powerless spectators.
Economic theories be damned. It is time for common sense to prevail before we are all wiped out.
MrScribbler on September 29, 2008 at 4:59 PM
Slublog on September 29, 2008 at 4:28 PM
Who says that Wall Street is in the tank for Republicans?
What you saw today was WS making a point: “Bail our asses out or we will tank the market!”.
belad on September 29, 2008 at 4:59 PM
I sold my house a few weeks ago and the agent only got a 3% commish. She dropped it from 7 to help out the buyers because I wouldn’t lower my price.
DerKrieger on September 29, 2008 at 4:59 PM
Dollar off highs as bailout plan fails
Today’s bone-headed failure is hitting all markets, who were counting on the House to stabilize world markets. This is not a stock market issue, its just the only market that gets reported in the MSM.
Given the banking crisis is now gripping Europe, if we had a bill, money would be moving to the US as the safe haven, lessening the need for actually buying the mortgage crap.
phreshone on September 29, 2008 at 5:00 PM
The irony is deep. An atheist named Allah employed in a conservative blog is for the bailout. Must be the season of the witch.
Christine on September 29, 2008 at 5:00 PM
Roll call vote here.
paul006 on September 29, 2008 at 5:00 PM
you saying go for this, after already bought/closed?
jp on September 29, 2008 at 5:00 PM
A right thing to fear. As I have no confidence in the charity of our enemies, I think its safe to say they’re scheming as we speak. This includes Russia and China.
CP on September 29, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Teh Theme Song for today’s proceedings. Heh.
ManlyRash on September 29, 2008 at 5:01 PM
yes
funky chicken on September 29, 2008 at 5:01 PM
This is a manufactured panic. The news media has been screaming for over a week that the market was going to crash on Monday, today, if there was no bail out bill passed
Pundits have been giving speeches, for more than a week, than the market was going to crash. Congress has been saying, for more than a week, that the market was going to crash.
Comments have been posted on blogs all over the internet for more than a week that the market was going to crash.
People began to believe the hordes that the market was going to crash, banks were going to fail, people are going to lose their jobs, we’re all going to starve, its the end of the world, repent your sins and vote democrat.
Sell your stock, buy guns and ammo, stockpile food, it’s the end of the world. Game over, man, Game over.
Well guess what…….
“The sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, it hit me on the head.”
rockhauler on September 29, 2008 at 5:01 PM
If I thought this was going to be just some average run of the mill recession, I would not be that worried. I would not support a bill that was addressing a normal business cycle downturn.
But this is not normal. We lost more money today in the US than that whole bill would have cost…and it only took a few hours.
The last time we were faced with something like this, the Democrats ended up in control of the government for decades. I hope that does not happen again.
If Nancy Pelosi was not such a horrible Speaker she might have been able to get more support for this vote. But I have a feelinig the Democrats will end up finding a way to blame the Republicans.
Terrye on September 29, 2008 at 5:02 PM
The only good news is that the after-hours market looks like it is stabilizing.
phreshone on September 29, 2008 at 5:02 PM
That would be the worst thing they could do. When hysterical people are panic selling it presents buying opportunities for people who maintain their composure. This is how a bottom is formed, allowing the markets to stabilize.
FloatingRock on September 29, 2008 at 5:02 PM
shhhhhhh. Remember the narrative! Damn the Repubs!!!
twoarmman on September 29, 2008 at 5:02 PM
BTW, one thing lost in all of this… Pelosi is easily the worst and least effective Speaker, EVAH! Her congress has done nothing, and has presided over this bullsh**. Thanks a lot you evil POS.
RightWinged on September 29, 2008 at 5:02 PM
In 1987 (Black Monday) the market fell 23% in one day.
Today: 7%
We will survive.
Sometimes the forest burns down but the trees always grow back.
carbon_footprint on September 29, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Can you substantiate this with a link? If so, I’d be grateful.
fossten on September 29, 2008 at 5:03 PM
The real question is: how close are we to the bottom? If this is it, or we lose another 10% for a maximum adjustment of 20%, then those who realized the most benefit over the last few years will be the ones who paid, which is how the free market works.
If it’s more than 20% though, there could be real trouble for all.
JustTruth101 on September 29, 2008 at 5:03 PM
It’s the Bill Paxton market:
It’s a bugout!!
Game over, man!
Just clean things up and shitcan the CRA and we’ll be fine..
TexasJew on September 29, 2008 at 5:03 PM
I think the above is correct. The premise of all this is to get banks to loan money again. Think about it……no one can force that.
Markets will take care of the banks. The Fed has pumped enormous liquidity and easy terms for banks through the Fed Window. We have had like 17 fail so far and during the S&L crisis it was reported we had 3000. Banks will fail, but better capitalized ones will buy them or seized assets for cheap. The market will do better knowing there will be no handouts.
Yes, credit will be tight for a while. But……credit will be tight either way, with a bailout or not……the banks cannot be forced to loan and will sit on whatever they get.
Starlink on September 29, 2008 at 5:03 PM
That’s ridiculous. They fought and got a bill of which they said they approved and then voted against because of a speech. That’s not hard ball; that’s a temper tantrum. And they shall be decimated in the upcoming elections because of it.
phronesis on September 29, 2008 at 5:04 PM
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