Will Pelosi’s second attempt at a bailout include ACORN? Update: Dow loses 777 points, more than on 9/11; Update: $1.1 trillion in market value lost

posted at 4:18 pm on September 29, 2008 by Allahpundit

Why not? She tried a bipartisan bill and got nothing for it. What’s stopping her from turning it into a Christmas tree for the left and passing it on a strict party-line vote? Bush will sign it regardless and Senate Republicans will be under tremendous pressure to decline a filibuster with the Dow down 600 points today and god knows where tomorrow. This is the flaw in the “if the majority thinks it’s so important, let them pass it” approach: They will pass it, on their terms, and they’ll point to Republicans like Gingrich and Paul Ryan and the Journal — and Paulson and Bernanke, of course — who’ve acknowledged this is an emergency to take credit for rescuing the economy. All they have to do is wait a few days until the public’s good and terrified and the polls on the bailout start to reverse. They’re reversing already.

A number of Republican House members and staff, along with others who are plugged in, are telling me that Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats will come back with a new bill that includes all the left-wing stuff that was scrubbed from the bill that was defeated today in the House.

As this scenario goes, the House Democrats need 218 votes, and they have to pick up a number of black and Hispanic House members who jumped ship because the Wall Street provisions, in their view, were too benign. So things like the bankruptcy judges setting mortgage terms and rates, the ACORN slush-fund spending, the union proxy for corporate boards, stricter limits on executive compensation, and much larger equity ownership of selling banks through warrants will all find itself back in the new bill. Of course, this scenario will lose more Republican votes. But insiders tell me President Bush will take Secretary Paulson’s advice and sign that kind of legislation.

House Republicans weren’t willing to swallow a bitter pill today so they’ll swallow a more bitter pill later this week. And guess what? They’ll still get killed at the polls in November. Bill Kristol thinks McCain’s only chance now is to stop campaigning (again) and come back to D.C. to try to drive through a compromise. If he succeeds, it’ll prove his leadership and calm the markets. I don’t see how he’s supposed to pull that off, though, when the entire Democratic leadership will be primed to whine about how he’s only making things worse by being there, is ruining delicate negotiations, etc. If Kristol’s serious about solving the crisis and willing to sacrifice electoral gain to do so, there’s an easy compromise solution: Have McCain and Obama do some sort of joint appearance, maybe a presser, urging support for a bailout. That’ll swing public opinion sufficiently to remove the political incentives to voting no and give Pelosi the 10 votes she needs to pass it now. There’s no gain for McCain at the polls in doing so, admittedly, but he’s the guy who preaches “country first.” Here’s his chance.

Update: This is day one.

The Dow closed the day down 777.68 points, or 6.89 percent, beating its previous record for an intraday drop of 721.56 points, set during the first trading day after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. Still, in percentage terms, the decline remained well below the more than 20 percent drops seen on Black Monday of October 1987 and the Depression.

“This is panic, and fear is running amok,” one trader told CNBC. “We are in a classic financial meltdown, and it’s panic-based. We’re seeing panic selling.”

Update: The wealth lost today on the market — just today — exceeds the cost of the bailout considerably.

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That’d be pretty stupid.

Godzilla on September 29, 2008 at 4:19 PM

Dow down 777 points.

carbon_footprint on September 29, 2008 at 4:20 PM

Thanks Republicans… You guys are such profiles in courage! eyes roll.

Illinidiva on September 29, 2008 at 4:22 PM

If the House lards it up with ACORN slush funds and the Senate passes it, Bush should veto it.

And he should tell Pelosi that, IMMEDIATELY, so the stupid, worthless cooze doesn’t waste any more time.

This is what happens when Democrats put people in charge of important things. Then things are FUBAR’ed.

NoDonkey on September 29, 2008 at 4:22 PM

The only thing I would say against this theory, Allah, is that the Democrats didn’t pass the existing bill on a party-line because Pelosi is petrified of owning the bailout. If the Democrats become less afraid of “owning” the bailout, they’ll festoon the existing bill wtih ACORN gimmies and the Chapter 13 mortgage cramdown rule and go forward with it.

Outlander on September 29, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Republicans better not vote for the bill, period.

It all stinks. If they lose the elections, so be it. This bill doesnt fix the economy. It gives the US Treasury Secretary unlimited power over the economy.

That should be rejected everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

TheHat on September 29, 2008 at 4:22 PM

So hang either way? Then hang making a stand and remind voters after exactly how much porky crap was larded onto this bill.

Make it the DFL bailout and watch Nando pee her pants at the thought; there is a reason the dems wanted the GOP onboard, they won’t pass it with only dems saying yes.

Bishop on September 29, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Pelosi’s a tyrant. Wouldn’t surprise me if they swung it back to the left and forced it.

CP on September 29, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Nearly 100 democrats voted against this bill, if they wouldn’t go for this incarnation why would they go for a pork laden version and really piss off their constituents back home?

smfoushee on September 29, 2008 at 4:23 PM

People like Kristol and ALLAH need to shut up and let the people speak like we did with Amnesty. The people have already spoken and said NO to the bailout. The American people are not as stupid as Allah and Kristol or the rest of the moronic pundits for that matter think.

MobileVideoEngineer on September 29, 2008 at 4:23 PM

Why not? She tried a bipartisan bill and got nothing for it. What’s stopping her from turning it into a Christmas tree for the left and passing it on a strict party-line vote?

Go ahead. In 35 days every dem that voted for it will be TOSSED OUT ON THEIR *SS and R’s will retake Congress and the White House.

BRING. IT. ON.

JustTruth101 on September 29, 2008 at 4:23 PM

Republicans should call for a Re-vote ASAP.

Chakra Hammer on September 29, 2008 at 4:24 PM

My gosh how can the Republicans be this stupid…they hung McCain out to dry because they were petulant?

PierreLegrand on September 29, 2008 at 4:24 PM

P.S. And the first thing the GOP majority will do is repeal it.

JustTruth101 on September 29, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Looks like it’s time to dust off Plan B: Secession.

ManlyRash on September 29, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Thanks Republicans… You guys are such profiles in courage! eyes roll.

Illinidiva on September 29, 2008 at 4:22 PM

At least 132 of them were (glare).

CC

CapedConservative on September 29, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Seems like as good time to buy to me

skree on September 29, 2008 at 4:24 PM

So, Allah, basically there are Dems who are more concerned with ACORN than the economy?

Yeah – that’s a winning issue for them.

Editor on September 29, 2008 at 4:25 PM

P.S. And the first thing the GOP majority will do is repeal it. – JustTruth101 on September 29, 2008 at 4:24 PM

There will be no GOP majority…evah.

ManlyRash on September 29, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Looks like the biggest meltdown occurring today is at HotAir.

A few days ago, Pelosi needed cover from the Republicans — in fact, insisted on it. Now, apparently she can do whatever she presumably wanted to do in the first place and it will still get signed.

BigD on September 29, 2008 at 4:25 PM

But 95 Dems, including Blue Dogs in tough races voted against this crap sandwich, what makes you think Allah, that they will vote for the Scooby sized ultra crap Acornized crap sandwich?

This was a DEM failure. Period.

Topsecretk9 on September 29, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Or Plan Z: release the zombie virus and go to town.

Bishop on September 29, 2008 at 4:26 PM

“This is panic, and fear is running amok,” one trader told CNBC. “We are in a classic financial meltdown, and it’s panic-based. We’re seeing panic selling.”

It’s irrational. Give people a few days to catch their breath and the markets will recover.

lorien1973 on September 29, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Yeah – that’s a winning issue for them. – Editor on September 29, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Actually, yes. It’s been working for them for the past 60 years.

ManlyRash on September 29, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Um. Okay.

So I’ll admit what nobody else on the Internet will: I’m not Alan Greenspan. I’m not an economics guru.

So somebody answer an easy question: is it a good time to buy a house – or not?

Because I just bought a house Friday. I hope that’s a good thing. And let’s face it: this whole financial crisis is all about me. So reassure me, please.

Professor Blather on September 29, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Hell, if she can’t get Republican support, why not sweeten the pot with liberal pork?

m064404 on September 29, 2008 at 4:26 PM

There will be no GOP majority…evah.

ManlyRash on September 29, 2008 at 4:25 PM

There will be one if the Dem’s pass a Christmas tree loaded with taxpayer $$$ to fund wall st and left wing slush funds then pass it along a strict party line with only D’s voting for it. So I agree, that would never happen, the Dem’s aren’t THAT stupid, and unfortunately, I don’t think the GOP will be able to hang tough.

JustTruth101 on September 29, 2008 at 4:27 PM

So somebody answer an easy question: is it a good time to buy a house – or not?

It’s a good time to buy firearms and lots of ammo.

Because I just bought a house Friday. I hope that’s a good thing. And let’s face it: this whole financial crisis is all about me. So reassure me, please.

You’re fucked.

Hope this helps.

ManlyRash on September 29, 2008 at 4:27 PM

Not gonna happen. That stuff was all a smokescreen anyway. The bankruptcy thing may come back, but the ACORN stuff won’t. There were only FOUR Republican votes for the original version of this bill. They got to 66 today. You think they are going to get to 75 by adding liberal crap to it?

The bill is dead. There isn’t going to be one. The proximate reason for the damn thing in the first place was to save Washington Mutual and Wachovia, in order to prevent a ginormous bank run.

The Fed can solve the credit crisis tomorrow by opening up the discount window to basically everyone and cutting the Fed funds rate by a full point. I’ll be shocked if that doesn’t happen.

Then the FDIC can announce that it is going to insure deposits up to $500,000 or even $1 million, and charge a small additional premium for insurance over $100,000.

I am 100% convinced right now that we do not need to have Treasury trying to play casino with the bad mortgage paper. That’s not really going to solve anything and it could be a debacle.

America just told all these guys to go back to the drawing board.

rockmom on September 29, 2008 at 4:27 PM

Go ahead. In 35 days every dem that voted for it will be TOSSED OUT ON THEIR *SS and R’s will retake Congress and the White House.
BRING. IT. ON.

Keep in mind, once this bill passes the market will rally.

There’s your campaign commercials for the next five weeks:

Republicans got their feelings hurt, refused to pass bailout – market tanks.

Democrats rallied, passed a bill – market rallies.

Slublog on September 29, 2008 at 4:28 PM

I can’t figure out Bush–he’s a lame duck, and he still goes along without a fight with the Dems!

PattyJ on September 29, 2008 at 4:28 PM

I think we’re screwed.

p0s3r on September 29, 2008 at 4:28 PM

It’s irrational. Give people a few days to catch their breath and the markets will recover.

lorien1973 on September 29, 2008 at 4:26 PM

I’m think more like a few months, not days.

terryannonline on September 29, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Because I just bought a house Friday. I hope that’s a good thing. And let’s face it: this whole financial crisis is all about me. So reassure me, please.

Great time to buy a house with a FIXED interest rate (you read HA, please tell me you have a fixed int rate…if not, refinance with Wells Fargo TODAY).

And congratulations!

JustTruth101 on September 29, 2008 at 4:29 PM

JustTruth101 on September 29, 2008 at 4:27 PM

You don’t understand the power of the Dark Side Drive-By media.

ManlyRash on September 29, 2008 at 4:29 PM

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Pat in NC on September 29, 2008 at 4:29 PM

Let the Democrats write and pass whatever bill they want. (I doubt they could get the votes – more Republicans would vote against anything that packs back in things that were thrown out.)
If the Democrats pass their new bail out then they take full responsibility for it.

And there is no guarantee that however this finance bail out comes out it is going to help. In 4 weeks will they be back again for another $700 billion?

And McCain can’t look good no matter which way this goes. The press is totally against him.
What needs to be pushed is how in the past the Democrats blocked all regulation of these failed institutes. But again, the press is not discussing it.
—-
How about a call for Pelosi to resign and impeach all those Democrats that opposed more regulations on Freddie and Fannie?

albill on September 29, 2008 at 4:29 PM

Are you saying that the dems didn’t vote for this monster because Nancy told them not to so that it would be a bipartisan bill? But after she puts ACORN back in she’ll tell the dems that now they can vote for it? And they’ll have a 100% dem owned bill?

ctmom on September 29, 2008 at 4:29 PM

Of course Pelosi will lard it up with ACORN and every special-interest piece of crap the Democrats can dream of.

Now the Dems who voted no have all the leverage and they will demand payoffs to change their votes. Shakedown time for the shakedown pros.

And even the ones who voted yes will have their hands out, no doubt. I expect Charlie Rangel will get to have his ethics violations overlooked in exchange for maintaining his “aye” vote, and he’ll probably get to keep his undisclosed income untaxed too.

Gilda on September 29, 2008 at 4:29 PM

If the Democrats become less afraid of “owning” the bailout, they’ll festoon the existing bill wtih ACORN gimmies and the Chapter 13 mortgage cramdown rule and go forward with it.

Outlander on September 29, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Not relevant. It would seem that the Democrats have successfully laid the blame squarely on the Republicans’ shoulders. The Narrative is complete. They can now do whatever they want, just like they did with Fannie and Freddie.

No matter that this all-powerful Narrative was written and reinforced by those whose purpose is to destroy us. No matter that any action we take will be painted into one of two roles: the ogre or the simpering slave. We must bow to the Narrative.

spmat on September 29, 2008 at 4:29 PM

Democrats rallied, passed a bill – market rallies. – Slublog on September 29, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Oh goody. Meanwhile, the Constitution gets trashed. Way to go there, Alexander Hamilton.

ManlyRash on September 29, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Did Pelosi intentionally tank the vote with her hate speech?

Wade on September 29, 2008 at 4:30 PM

There isn’t going to be another bill.

The Fed and the FDIC will go to work tonight and tomorrow to fix the liquidity crisis and get the credit markets working. There’s a lot they can do without Congressional approval.

This plan is the wrong plan anyway. The problem is falling house values and this bill does nothing to fix that problem.

rockmom on September 29, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Do 55% to 60% of the voters in this country really see an Obama administration and a Democratic Senate and a Democratic House as good for the country?

BuckeyeSam on September 29, 2008 at 4:31 PM

We’ll now get a lousier bill (more pork) and the shakiness in the markets and economy will be blamed on the Republicans.

Worst of both worlds. This is the worst I’ve felt about the country since 9/11.

Obama will be up double digits by tomorrow.

I try to stay optimistic but Barack Obama is the next President of the United States.

If he accepts the job.

SteveMG on September 29, 2008 at 4:31 PM

What a fine Christmas shopping season were in for this year…

JetBoy on September 29, 2008 at 4:31 PM

That’s it, I’m now going to stand halfway in the door of my bunker, poised to either jump inside or casually walk away while whistling a happy tune.

Make up your minds: start peering nervously from the gun-ports or turn it into a kid’s playhouse?

Bishop on September 29, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Keep in mind, once this bill passes the market will rally.

Slublog on September 29, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Keep in mind, as the bill was being taken for granted as passing, that there were lots of media stories telling us that the bailout may not give immediate or even longer term relief — that there was still lots of work to do.

BigD on September 29, 2008 at 4:32 PM

“Because I just bought a house Friday. I hope that’s a good thing.”

I’m no expert, but I have been looking to buy a larger house recently, and I’m kind of glad I didn’t.

If the economy goes down the tubes, home prices are going to go down as well.

And I can make the payments on my current house for quite awhile if I were to lose my job. But I wouldn’t on the houses I was looking at.

So it depends on your situation. If you have secure employment for many years, you should be fine. Things should eventually rebound.

If not, we all have more problems than losing value on our houses.

NoDonkey on September 29, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Democrats are not smart enough to play this to fail today and then pass their own bill tomorrow and look like heroes. Pelosi screwed this up.

rockmom on September 29, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Do 55% to 60% of the voters in this country really see an Obama administration and a Democratic Senate and a Democratic House as good for the country? – BuckeyeSam on September 29, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Yes. However, it should be noted that their vision is obscured by the walls of their colons.

ManlyRash on September 29, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Rockmom, I think I love you too.

Sakaki on September 29, 2008 at 4:33 PM

I can’t figure out Bush–he’s a lame duck, and he still goes along without a fight with the Dems!

PattyJ on September 29, 2008 at 4:28 PM

At this point, what legacy is Bush trying to preserve? He should take Pelosi’s larded up bill and veto it.

BuckeyeSam on September 29, 2008 at 4:33 PM

rockmom on September 29, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Worst House Speaker…..EVAH

ManlyRash on September 29, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Dow loses 777 points, more than on 9/11

Wonderful. So much for all that ‘let whatever happen to the market happen’ idea.


Thanks!

wise_man on September 29, 2008 at 4:34 PM

This is the flaw in the “if the majority thinks it’s so important, let them pass it” approach: They will pass it, on their terms, and they’ll point to Republicans like Gingrich and Paul Ryan and the Journal

I sense a “Messiah” rant coming down the news wire pretty soon.

Mcguyver on September 29, 2008 at 4:34 PM

Republicans got their feelings hurt, refused to pass bailout – market tanks.

Democrats rallied, passed a bill – market rallies.

Slublog on September 29, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Republicans realize the error of their failed policies and blind cheerleading for greedy Wall Street fat cats, do the right thing and pass the Democrat-led bailout – market rallies.

Republicans still lose.

This narrative game is fun!

spmat on September 29, 2008 at 4:34 PM

Keep in mind, as the bill was being taken for granted as passing, that there were lots of media stories telling us that the bailout may not give immediate or even longer term relief — that there was still lots of work to do.
BigD on September 29, 2008 at 4:32 PM

I agree, but in throwing down over a stupid speech and voting against a bill that caused a market meltdown, the Republicans have set the stage for the Democrats to force through their own bill and be the heroes in the eyes of investors.

The details of the bill won’t matter at that point. The fact that the arrow went red and down after the GOP balked and will likely go green after the bill is passed will be the message.

Slublog on September 29, 2008 at 4:34 PM

At this point, what legacy is Bush trying to preserve? He should take Pelosi’s larded up bill and veto it. -BuckeyeSam on September 29, 2008 at 4:33 PM

I’m beginning to think he’s every bit the idiot chimp the Kos Kidz say he is.

ManlyRash on September 29, 2008 at 4:34 PM

Republicans realize the error of their failed policies and blind cheerleading for greedy Wall Street fat cats, do the right thing and pass the Democrat-led bailout – market rallies.

Mustache-twirling plutocrats stole my milk money and ran over my cat!

Hm. This class warfare stuff is pretty fun as well.

Slublog on September 29, 2008 at 4:35 PM

***So I agree, that would never happen, the Dem’s aren’t THAT stupid, and unfortunately, I don’t think the GOP will be able to hang tough.***
JustTruth101 on September 29, 2008 at 4:27 PM

What is the Republican alternative? The only Republican alternative proposed was the idea of doing this as mortgage insurance rather than as a purchase of MBSs. That proposal got into the final bill!

We are in a financial crisis. Something needs to be done. The House GOP has rejected the bipartisan proposal, but has proposed nothing in its place. They hung McCain out to dry in the process.

I strongly suggest the GOP cook up an alternative plan by tomorrow morning. Because, right now, the Democrats are wargaming how best to respond. I see two options:

(1) Pelosi says “we can’t pass the bill without bipartisan support and the Republicans won’t support the bill.” Then, wait for the market to tank and McCain’s poll numbers to totally crash, then force the GOP to sign off on an ACORN-laden pork barrel plan; or

(2) Pelosi introduces the ACORN pork barrel plan tomorrow and passes it on a party-line, then tries to seize the initiative.

I think option #1 is probably the smartest course for Pelosi, but it bears risk in that the Democrats might blink first and support the GOP plan.

Outlander on September 29, 2008 at 4:36 PM

First, eff the Dow. You people keep watching it like you watch the daily tracking polls and you’ll get ulcers.

Second, of course they are going to push this through with their entitlements included. I know most people here hate Nancy but she didn’t get to where she is with her looks. She played the GOP like a flute and now it means an end to any chance of a McCain presidency. If it wasn’t the Dems doing this I would swear Rove was pulling the strings.

grdred944 on September 29, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Did Pelosi intentionally tank the vote with her hate speech?
Wade on September 29, 2008 at 4:30 PM

This is a window into her soul. He hate speech is who she is. It’s how she sees the world. Just like Howad Dean who said he despises republicans and everything they stand for. Se unintentionally let it slip. For Nancy Pelosi, it’s “Nancy Pelosi and the democrats First.” Unlike McCain’s “Country First.”

wise_man on September 29, 2008 at 4:36 PM

ManlyRash on September 29, 2008 at 4:27 PM

Aren’t you being a little rash, manly?

tru2tx on September 29, 2008 at 4:36 PM

This is terrible for the repubs no matter what certain posters say, this is whistling past the graveyard. Also, I thought that the SEC had the power to suspend trading when it appeared in panic mode, that was one of the changes made after 9/11 drop? Is Cox letting the market run wild in order to put additional pressure on repubs to pass this bill, rather than doing his job? If so, McCain is right to want to can him asap.

eaglewingz08 on September 29, 2008 at 4:37 PM

That brain dead Pelosi will soon see mobs with pitchforks coming up the streets if she doesn’t get off this bailout crap. Who in hell do these worthless politicians work for . . . it certainly isn’t the people of the United States.

rplat on September 29, 2008 at 4:37 PM

The problem with that theory is that the Democrats wanted bi-partisan support, right? They could have crammed through whatever left-wing proposal they wanted because they have the majority but don’t want to shoulder the responsibility for spending $700 billion. Why would they go back now when they could have done this to begin with? What McCain should do make a public statement blaming the failure on Pelosi’s speech — it should have been a bipartisan effort but she made it partisan and effectively killed it — but then ask the House Republicans to get behind it anyway. He can say that there were important aspects of the bill that were changed with their input and they now risk losing those if they don’t support the bill as it is now and we all run the risk of another serious stock market decline if we don’t act quickly. He can go on about how it is unfortunately necessary, etc. But he should come out and say something on this. He can take the credit now for getting them to the table and later if he can convince the GOP to support the bill.

MyriadScreed on September 29, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Make up your minds: start peering nervously from the gun-ports or turn it into a kid’s playhouse? – Bishop on September 29, 2008 at 4:31 PM

I say: head for the bunker, Excellency.

Or not.

ManlyRash on September 29, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Obama will be up double digits by tomorrow.

SteveMG on September 29, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Well looooke here.. we have a Nostradamus among us.

Mcguyver on September 29, 2008 at 4:37 PM

More wisdom from Frank:

More than a repudiation of Democrats, Frank said, Republicans’ refusal to vote for the bailout was a rejection of their own president.

Huh… what ever happened to Bush/ McCain, 4 more years of the same, etc.?

Damiano on September 29, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Pelosi reminds me of Hugo Chavez. If you don’t do as I say you are unpatriptic and never reluctant to demean the other party for political purposes. She is absolutely atrocious.

jencab on September 29, 2008 at 4:37 PM

If Democrats pass a partisan pork-laden socialist bailout they may reap some short term political benefits, but eventually, when the rubber band they’re yanking on snaps back, they will pay a far greater price.

FloatingRock on September 29, 2008 at 4:38 PM

What everybody needs to do, and especially the House GOP, is to calm down and take stock of the situation: WHY did 94 Democrats vote against the bill? They can’t all be upset about ACORN–there are 30 of them that won their seats from Republicans back in 2006, and those districts probably haven’t turned deep blue in two years. They probably heard an earful from constituents about giving Paulson (=Bush) a blank check, and may want to move RIGHT, not left, in order support a bailout.

The House GOP needs to meet with those Democrats who voted against the bill, and ask them what they objected to, and what needs to be changed to get their vote. If they want ACORN, it’s hopeless, but if they’re looking for more assurance for taxpayer dollars, maybe a deal could be made.

As for the guy who bought a house on Friday–if you already have a fixed-rate mortgage lined up (or closed), you’re OK, just don’t try to sell the house anytime soon! If the mortgage hasn’t been lined up, maybe you should back out–the house will be cheaper in the near future.

Steve Z on September 29, 2008 at 4:38 PM

Nearly 100 democrats voted against this bill, if they wouldn’t go for this incarnation why would they go for a pork laden version and really piss off their constituents back home?

smfoushee on September 29, 2008 at 4:23 PM

A large number of those who voted against it on the Dem side have districts where the people are lining up at the trough. It’s an easy sell. “I voted against it because it took care of Wall Street and not you fine folks. Now take your handout and shut up.”

grdred944 on September 29, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Aren’t you being a little rash, manly? – tru2tx on September 29, 2008 at 4:36 PM

LOL. Nope…just being a good alumnus of the Institute for Advanced Pessimistic Analysis.

ManlyRash on September 29, 2008 at 4:39 PM

“…And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”

Editor on September 29, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Aw sshiiitttt, Bill’s gonna be real cranky tonight.

Sir Andrew on September 29, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Hm. This class warfare stuff is pretty fun as well.

Slublog on September 29, 2008 at 4:35 PM

I don’t think you get my point. Your screaming about this all-powerful narrative that we somehow missed out on benefiting from is crap. The narrative is going to get written so that the GOP is screwed, no matter what the GOP does.

There is no truth in the narrative. It is a construct. Built by people that want to see Republicans lose in November. That was the damned point of Pelosi’s speech, to secure the narrative of GOP as whipped dog if they passed it, or greedy pawns of Wall Street if they didn’t.

Your narrative argument is an exceedingly poor justification for action.

spmat on September 29, 2008 at 4:40 PM

I can’t imagine that Pelosi would want to go the Christmas tree route. They may be counting on public fear driving an entirely Dem supported bailout bill, but I doubt that she’s taken in to account that her fellow Dems will add Hannakah and Kwanza to it. They just won’t be able to control themselves.

rw on September 29, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Um. Okay.

So I’ll admit what nobody else on the Internet will: I’m not Alan Greenspan. I’m not an economics guru.

So somebody answer an easy question: is it a good time to buy a house – or not?

Because I just bought a house Friday. I hope that’s a good thing. And let’s face it: this whole financial crisis is all about me. So reassure me, please.

Professor Blather on September 29, 2008 at 4:26 PM

I’m in same boat, closed on Thursday. Got a Fixed Rate which is good insurance I hope, and I also hope whatever we are about to go through it doesn’t last forever.

New homes can only sell for so much, unless Construction cost(materials) comes down too.

I got a great deal(builder took a loss for taxes), i’m just worried about new contstruction coming to a halt

jp on September 29, 2008 at 4:40 PM

grdred944 on September 29, 2008 at 4:39 PM

That ain’t workin’/That’s the way you do it/Play the guitar on your MTV…

ManlyRash on September 29, 2008 at 4:40 PM

So somebody answer an easy question: is it a good time to buy a house – or not?

Because I just bought a house Friday. I hope that’s a good thing. And let’s face it: this whole financial crisis is all about me. So reassure me, please.

Professor Blather on September 29, 2008 at 4:26 PM

IMO, good time to buy. Interest rates and property values are about as low as they are going to go, IMO…

But I hope you kept enough cash to build a wall around it…

Romeo13 on September 29, 2008 at 4:41 PM

If this passes, the markets will rally, Wall St. firms will sell off and pocket the profits from said rally, and we’re back at square one. This is a total giveaway to Goldman Sachs and their ilk.

This is just a 7% down day. Oct. 87 was 25% down in one day. Today wouldn’t even make the top 10 down days as a percentage.
If a democrat were in the White House under todays scenario, this blip would be a 2 minute story at the middle of the evening news. Nothing to see here, move on.

roninacreage on September 29, 2008 at 4:41 PM

The American people are not as stupid as Allah and Kristol or the rest of the moronic pundits for that matter think.

MobileVideoEngineer on September 29, 2008 at 4:23 PM

Yes, they are.

grdred944 on September 29, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Well looooke here.. we have a Nostradamus among us.

Come back here tomorrow and we’ll see.

SteveMG on September 29, 2008 at 4:41 PM

“This is panic, and fear is running amok,” one trader told CNBC. “We are in a classic financial meltdown, and it’s panic-based. We’re seeing panic selling.”

Isn’t much of this is computer generated selling, not “panic” selling per se?

Buy Danish on September 29, 2008 at 4:41 PM

The details of the bill won’t matter at that point. The fact that the arrow went red and down after the GOP balked and will likely go green after the bill is passed will be the message.

Slublog on September 29, 2008 at 4:34 PM

What about the 94 Dems that balked, Slu?

BacaDog on September 29, 2008 at 4:41 PM

rplat on September 29, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Pitchforks? LOL. Never gonna happen.

Secession is a better alternative.

ManlyRash on September 29, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Over at The Campaign Spot

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If House Democrats want to pass a left-wing, ACORN-heavy, union-proxies, salary-setting bill, fine. Let Senate Democrats pass that one, too. Let Barack Obama go on record in favor of it.

At the heart, the rescue plan is a phenomenally unpopular proposal that is necessary to avert disaster that, for some reason, the public doesn’t quite think is real yet.

Let the Democrats pass the bill and let the unpopular Bush sign it. The Republicans running for House and Senate — and McCain, for that matter — can denounce it until their throats are hoarse every day from now until Election Day. Every voter will no that at a moment when most Americans were struggling, the Democrats voted along party lines to “bail out Wall Street.”

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If the Democrats Want to Pass Their Own Bill…

ordi on September 29, 2008 at 4:42 PM

I don’t think you get my point.
spmat on September 29, 2008 at 4:40 PM

I get your point. I just think it’s wrong.

Today, the GOP had a chance to explain why they believed this bill to be a bad idea, and whined about Nancy being mean to them.

Somehow, given the hit people are taking in their investments, that’s not going to play well.

Slublog on September 29, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Hugh Hewitt makes a good point:

The bill failed in the House by a 228 to 205 vote, with 94 Democrats voting against it, a cynical exercise in manipulating the financial crisis for the Dems perceived political advantage. They think that blame for the worsening credit market will fix to Republicans and John McCain. That Pelosi et al stampeded tens of thousands of panicked investors out of the market today at some considerable loss to their hard work over the years means nothing to them. The jobs they are sacrificing to panic means nothing to them.

McCain needs to make this point too.

MyriadScreed on September 29, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Let ‘em eat cake.

argos on September 29, 2008 at 4:43 PM

If you want a good chuckle, and if you can stomach it, go check out the leftie blog sites like DU, Kos, etc…

“The Repugs are trying to blame Pelosi”….

JetBoy on September 29, 2008 at 4:43 PM

What about the 94 Dems that balked, Slu?
BacaDog on September 29, 2008 at 4:41 PM

I think a good portion of them wanted a more liberal bill. Looks like Nancy’s going to give it to them, and combined with goodies for nervous Blue Dogs, has a good shot at cobbling together a majority.

Slublog on September 29, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Just checked my 401k. It’s only down ~10% for the year. Not bad at all. I was actually hoping for a bigger drop so when it recovers…

DerKrieger on September 29, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Economic anxiety, crashing stock market, devalued retirement accounts.

Yeah, no way Obama would benefit from that. Obama’s 6-8 point lead won’t expand at all.

Unfairly, yes; but that’s what will happen.

SteveMG on September 29, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Allah you need to check with your Boss Michelle Malkin, she ain’t likin the bailout.
Why exactly they hired you to blog over here is anybody’s guess, but you seem to me a tad to squeamish to be a malkin protege.
Put that twinkie down and take walk or ride your bike and get a little sun. Quit watching porn all day and get a girlfriend while your at it.

kangjie on September 29, 2008 at 4:45 PM

“This is panic, and fear is running amok,” one trader told CNBC. “We are in a classic financial meltdown, and it’s panic-based. We’re seeing panic selling.”

Isn’t much of this is computer generated selling, not “panic” selling per se?

Buy Danish on September 29, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Right. What is a “classic financial meltdown” anyway? Jeezus.

BigD on September 29, 2008 at 4:45 PM

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