Video: House GOP blames Pelosi’s “partisan” speech for bailout failure

posted at 3:21 pm on September 29, 2008 by Allahpundit

Ace and Slublog already beat me to the punch. There are, conceivably, good reasons to vote against a bailout in a national emergency — if you think it’ll do more economic harm than good, if you think it accrues too much unchecked power to the executive — but being honked off at Nancy is not one of them.

The Dow’s back down to -630 and creeping ever lower as I write this. You know who the big loser is here? Hint: It ain’t Barack Obama.

Update: No revote today, says Boehner. -662 and counting.

Update: -730 as of 3:30 p.m. Looks like people are rushing to dump shares before the end of the trading day.


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Citigroup has more money than God.

Of the big 4, (BAC, WFC, JPM and C) Citi is in the worse shape.

JiangxiDad on September 29, 2008 at 4:38 PM

Nancy’s speech only proves that we’re NEVER gonna get to the bottom of what caused this and so we’re never gonna fix or prevent it from happening again.

I know it’s been posted elsewhere, but so many things fall into place after reading

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

Was it just yesterday that Hugo Chavez said this melt-down proves that America should be communist and needs a new Constitution? Right on cue he is, right on cue.

I would rather call the communists’ bluff and go down together than let the communists win. Better dead than red. If they’re gonna sink America’s boat they’re gonna have to go down with us.

justincase on September 29, 2008 at 4:39 PM

the finacial leaders of wall Street need to have a come to God meeting tonight. they can continue to throw a tantrum or they can step up and start trading and buying back shares. If they allow the market to tank now the dems will own Wall Street. they will socialize profits and losses. they will tax the hell out of CEO’s and stock owners. they will take the wealth and give it to their buddies. let’s face it the action on the DOw cost them more moeny than the 700billion. they need to start trading those CDO’s and MBS regardless of price let the vultures come in and pick over them then write off the rest. and recaptialize. they need to stop burning their own house down because they didn’t get there way and start fixing the problem on their own. they need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps, and start lending again. Or they will with the poor unwashed masses in 7 years times.

unseen on September 29, 2008 at 4:41 PM

JiangxiDad on September 29, 2008 at 4:38 PM

CITI will stand, its on the short list of who Paulson likes, and wants to remain standing when the dust clears.

If CITI, who just got a BIG infusion of essentialy free assets starts to fail, FED will jump in with loans, just like with AIG.

Romeo13 on September 29, 2008 at 4:44 PM

The Democrats have the numbers, why couldn’t THEY get it done without the GOP?

Screw all those politician bastards…maybe its time for a good old fashioned Boston Tea Party.

Wyznowski on September 29, 2008 at 4:46 PM

BacaDog on September 29, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Quite correct – statistic for today:
DJIA 10,365.45 @ -777.68 (-6.98%)

SkinnerVic on September 29, 2008 at 4:46 PM

the finacial leaders of wall Street need to have a come to God meeting tonight. they can continue to throw a tantrum or they can step up and start trading and buying back shares. If they allow the market to tank now the dems will own Wall Street. they will socialize profits and losses. they will tax the hell out of CEO’s and stock owners. they will take the wealth and give it to their buddies. let’s face it the action on the DOw cost them more moeny than the 700billion. they need to start trading those CDO’s and MBS regardless of price let the vultures come in and pick over them then write off the rest. and recaptialize. they need to stop burning their own house down because they didn’t get there way and start fixing the problem on their own. they need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps, and start lending again. Or they will with the poor unwashed masses in 7 years times.

unseen on September 29, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Well said…

TheBigOldDog on September 29, 2008 at 4:49 PM

CITI will stand, its on the short list of who Paulson likes, and wants to remain standing when the dust clears.

If CITI, who just got a BIG infusion of essentialy free assets starts to fail, FED will jump in with loans, just like with AIG.

Romeo13 on September 29, 2008 at 4:44 PM

I was mindful of your earlier comment about the beneficiaries of all this, even as I was typing that about Citi. I think you are right, as the Wachovia deal shows, and the taking of Citi preferred by the FDIC today shows–don’t even understand that.

But I wanted to make the point that big a name as Citibank is, I don’t believe it’s in very good financial shape as it’s presently constituted. It fell around 12% today btw.

JiangxiDad on September 29, 2008 at 4:49 PM

I think God will protect our nation.

fossten on September 29, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Yes, God will protect our nation. But read through I & II Kings and I II Chronicles. When a nation goes against God’s precepts, He sends judgement to try to get it back on track.

Unsound monetary policy will reap its own reward. Deceit and greed will bring the wrath of God.

Socialism, which, make no mistake, is what this “bailout” is all about, is an unsound monetary policy. And, yes, that is an understatement.

davidk on September 29, 2008 at 4:50 PM

I keep reading, and I agree with a few posters that this is a match fixing from begining to end – Pelosi threw this one because she knew she didn’t have the votes. Politics of the worst rancor.

SkinnerVic on September 29, 2008 at 4:51 PM

I think a lot of people are going to feel really later on with this sell off. Panic only breeds panick.

I blame 9-11
and the election of 2000

these two elements have collided into one big mess.

tomas on September 29, 2008 at 4:51 PM

davidk on September 29, 2008 at 4:50 PM

Too bad those same people calling for “The One” (aka, the Son of the Morning) to save the day with a wand of his hand are in for a rude shock…

SkinnerVic on September 29, 2008 at 4:52 PM

But I wanted to make the point that big a name as Citibank is, I don’t believe it’s in very good financial shape as it’s presently constituted. It fell around 12% today btw.

JiangxiDad on September 29, 2008 at 4:49 PM

I think Citi stock fell today because people who are not seeing the outcomes of the Fed actions don’t get whats going on. They were just selling to get out of all financials…

LOL, had an MBA tell me last night I was a conspiricy theorist…. but if I had money to invest (mines tied up in some long term stuff) I’d be investing in the Big 4… long term they will be winners… and if they fail, then it won’t matter where my money is anyway…

Romeo13 on September 29, 2008 at 4:54 PM

SkinnerVic on September 29, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Yes. Every knee and every tongue.

davidk on September 29, 2008 at 4:54 PM

Let this be YET ANOTHER lesson to the Republicans…

Making nice with the Dems doesn’t pay. All they do is kick you in the teeth. It’s time to stand up and fight them tooth and nail, no more reaching out.

STOP BEING SUCH WUSSES!

fossten on September 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM

mines tied up in some long term stuff) I’d be investing in the Big 4… long term they will be winners… and if they fail, then it won’t matter where my money is anyway…

Romeo13 on September 29, 2008 at 4:54 PM

Mine, too.

Matt 6:19-20
19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.

20 “But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal;
NASU

davidk on September 29, 2008 at 4:57 PM

The Democraps know they don’t have the votes to get his passed.

They also know that everytime it gets voted down, they can blame it all on those evil corporate-loving Republicans.

The media echo’s their talking points- and the idiot’s in our society lap it up.

The Democraps are playing scorched-earth politics; and they’re winning. Just like they did with the Iraq War.

This country is about to get exactly what it deserves. Screw em all.

FiveWays on September 29, 2008 at 5:02 PM

If this “crisis” were truly what Paulson is now claiming, he would certainly have been addressing the issue PRIOR to the House going on vacation when Nancy Pelosi turned off the lights and microphones a few weeks ago.

This is a hoax being perpetrated by those whose responsibility it is to direct the Federal Reserve and our National Treasury and our nation’s banking interests.

Yes, the stocks are falling and banks and homeowners are going bankrupt. All the cheaper for the vested interests to suck us all dry and use panic to drive those who should know better to sign our fate to economic slavery.

I am writing my Congressman and Senators again to reiterate, VOTE NO! This is a heist of our Constitutional government, and the financial coup is not requiring any “bloodshed” to defeat America, only fear.

At the very least, WHY SIGN ON when the very legislation that has caused this fiasco is not removed from the books? Why pursue an additional layer of bureaucratic oversight when no one pays attention to the responsibilities of oversight to date? Require failed CEOs to forfeit their entire corporate and personal estate including insurance policies. Absolutely coerce fierce punishment for corruption. Barney Frank is still directing the show NOW after ruining our government programs and the public trust?

I have no doubt that difficult times are ahead. But difficult times are ahead whether or not this bill passes. The timing is worse than suspect. But that is no reason to succumb to being fooled into losing our liberty, and paying to have our liberty destroyed.

maverick muse on September 29, 2008 at 5:06 PM

Skywise on September 29, 2008 at 4:04 PM

Moore is lying. Lawsuits were filed against AIG last June or July by union pension funds. I don’t think Wall St. wants to see a flood of those.

Connie on September 29, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Or, she’s a hyperpartisan bitch and she couldn’t stop herself from making one last speech to blame George Bush for everything but halitosis and Ring Around the Collar.

Which do you think is most likely?

rockmom on September 29, 2008 at 4:15 PM

You’re right! The simplest explanation is usually the best– I vote with you.

obladioblada on September 29, 2008 at 5:08 PM

rockmom on September 29, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Bingo.

Jaibones on September 29, 2008 at 5:13 PM

maverick muse on September 29, 2008 at 5:06 PM

Loans? Yes, bailout? NO!

Romeo13 on September 29, 2008 at 5:15 PM

This is not the GOP’s greatest moment.

chiefeditor on September 29, 2008 at 5:16 PM

To h%ll with them all! I WOULD NOT VOTE FOR ANYTHING pelosi IS FOR! For her to come out and blame the Rep when they (rep) were the voice of warning in 2004, and they were put down.
Well, pelosi, how is your leadership now?
Sorry, just got home from work and have not read all the posts, but I heard pelosi on fox and she can go to hedouble toothpics!

Bambi on September 29, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Chiefeditor: Really, not their finest – I disagree!

Bambi on September 29, 2008 at 5:24 PM

She’s the leader. Words matter. cf. Obama.

Paul-Cincy on September 29, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Poor Barry…94 dems deserted him too.

He couldn’t tell the crowd that the long, dark night was over, the big bad boogieman capitalist system is dead, and socialism is here!

I guess Barry doesn’t even have to vote “present” now.

HornetSting on September 29, 2008 at 5:35 PM

I don’t think the market will crash. We did the right thing. I think God will protect our nation.

fossten on September 29, 2008 at 3:25 PM

God could care less about our nation…it’s the people he cares about.

right2bright on September 29, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Under Clinton, bank regulators have breathed the first real life into enforcement of the Community Reinvestment Act, a 20-year-old statute meant to combat “redlining” by requiring banks to serve their low-income communities. The administration also has sent a clear message by stiffening enforcement of the fair housing and fair lending laws. The bottom line: Between 1993 and 1997, home loans grew by 72% to blacks and by 45% to Latinos, far faster than the total growth rate.

Meanwhile I’ve not heard one word about repealing the law that caused this problem. Is the law going to remain in place? If so, what’s the point in doing the bailout? The same thing will happen again.

Maxx on September 29, 2008 at 5:48 PM

I know Nancy Pelosi is a silly b*itch, but come on.

Terrye on September 29, 2008 at 5:49 PM

I know it’s been posted elsewhere, but so many things fall into place after reading

Ok, justincase, this officially depresses the crap out of me.

Priscilla on September 29, 2008 at 5:50 PM

Maxx:

There are FBI investigations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and several other institutions, but right now these guys can not manage to pass a bill to save the economy from collapse. There were also provisions in that bill that would make some changes in lending rules. But thus far people seem to be bound and determined to stick to the status quo and point fingers. So what difference does it make? By next week, we won’t have to worry about unqualified people getting loans, the problem will be whether or not the rest of us can get loans.

Terrye on September 29, 2008 at 5:54 PM

Breitbart

Secretary Paulson:

The only place you can find people who aren’t gravely concerned are on Capitol Hill and in the media, the two places in our society where people are paid to offer opinions on things they know nothing about.

I take it he isn’t reading Hot Air, where many seem to be positively delighted.

Loxodonta on September 29, 2008 at 5:55 PM

The bottom line to me is that pass or fail, the Republicans would have been spit on by the Democrats for something. That’s the one constant in all this.

capitalist piglet on September 29, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Exactly, and we should not be parties to their re-election campaigns. We should be fighting them tooth and nail, because if things look bad now, just imagine what it will look like in 35 days if Barry wins the White House, controls the courts, and has a Dem majority in congress.

Buy Danish on September 29, 2008 at 5:57 PM

Conspiracy theory #1:

Pelosi sees no value in helping the US economy this close to an election in a Republican administration. She put all the focus on the House Republicans, while controlling enough Democrat votes to make sure it ultimately fails.

Net result: the economy hits that recession they’ve been pining for during the entire Bush administration, the Republican president gets blamed, the Republicans in Congress get blamed, the Republican candidate loses, and we wind up with Democrats in control of Congress and the White House. What’s not to like?

Oh, granted, a lot of people lose their money, but that makes them more likely to look to a socialist government to protect them. What’s not to like?

Do we really need a conspiracy theory #2?

tom on September 29, 2008 at 6:04 PM

Some of you commenters appear to be so horny for the apolyclips that you’re seeing Elvis in every Cadillac. Must be awfully God Damned sure that you’re the ones going upstairs.

ronsfi on September 29, 2008 at 6:05 PM

There are FBI investigations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and several other institutions, but right now these guys can not manage to pass a bill to save the economy from collapse. There were also provisions in that bill that would make some changes in lending rules. But thus far people seem to be bound and determined to stick to the status quo and point fingers. So what difference does it make? By next week, we won’t have to worry about unqualified people getting loans, the problem will be whether or not the rest of us can get loans.

Terrye on September 29, 2008 at 5:54 PM

Thanks for the reply but of course the FBI can’t change legislation. If I was a Republican in the House or Senate right now I would want repeal of The Community Reinvestment Act BEFORE ANY discussion of bailout. Of course I know its Reid and Pelosi running the show up there but still you would think the Republicans would be pounding the fact home with the press that the law that caused the problem needs repeal. I haven’t heard a peep out of anyone calling for repeal of that act. Without that happening we are just throwing good money after bad.

Maxx on September 29, 2008 at 6:07 PM

The hall of slain warriors who live blissfully under the leadership of Odin, Valhalla is a splendid palace, roofed with shields, where the warriors feast on the flesh of a boar slaughtered daily and made whole again each evening. They drink liquor that flows from the udders of a goat, and their sport is to fight one another every day, with the slain being revived in the evening. Thus they will live until the Ragnarok, when they will leave Valhalla to fight at the side of Odin against the Giants.

-Britannica Concise Encyclopedia

Amen.

ronsfi on September 29, 2008 at 6:09 PM

Some of you commenters appear to be so horny for the apolyclips that you’re seeing Elvis in every Cadillac. Must be awfully God Damned sure that you’re the ones going upstairs.

ronsfi on September 29, 2008 at 6:05 PM

You could be sure too ronsfi if you would repent and accept Jesus as your savior. The same deal is offered to you, you should sincerely think about it. Seriously.

Maxx on September 29, 2008 at 6:10 PM

I haven’t heard a peep out of anyone calling for repeal of that act. Without that happening we are just throwing good money after bad.

Maxx on September 29, 2008 at 6:07 PM

Repealing the CRA would be my number 1 priority in an ideal world. But it ain’t gonna happen at this point in time, not with Barack “ACORN” Obama in the mix.

What we need to do instead is pin this failure on the Dems by tying it to the CRA and every corrupt disaster which followed, and get the jackasses thrown out of Congress.

Buy Danish on September 29, 2008 at 6:21 PM

You could be sure too ronsfi if you would repent and accept Jesus as your savior. The same deal is offered to you, you should sincerely think about it. Seriously.

Maxx on September 29, 2008 at 6:10 PM

You sure can be one creepy SOB.

Might check out the Early Christian Cults, Millerites, Essenes etc. Dime a dozen pal. Dime a dozen. Maybe training focus on a solution is more “Godly” than dancing at a funeral. After all isn’t that the spirit of the “Creator”?

ronsfi on September 29, 2008 at 6:23 PM

If I was a Republican in the House or Senate right now I would want repeal of The Community Reinvestment Act BEFORE ANY discussion of bailout. Of course I know its Reid and Pelosi running the show up there but still you would think the Republicans would be pounding the fact home with the press that the law that caused the problem needs repeal. I haven’t heard a peep out of anyone calling for repeal of that act. Without that happening we are just throwing good money after bad.

Maxx on September 29, 2008 at 6:07 PM

(emphasis mine)

But if you asked them, the problem was caused by a lack of regulation.

This is the real problem we have. It’s very hard to solve any problem if you can’t agree on what the problem is. And the press is never going to believe that the problem lies with their heroes, when it’s so much easier to blame the Republicans.

tom on September 29, 2008 at 6:35 PM

But if you asked them, the problem was caused by a lack of regulation.

This is the real problem we have. It’s very hard to solve any problem if you can’t agree on what the problem is. And the press is never going to believe that the problem lies with their heroes, when it’s so much easier to blame the Republicans.

tom on September 29, 2008 at 6:35 PM

The real problem if we want to face it squarely is that we have socialist running the congress and most of the media, not to mention the education system at all levels. Seems to me the only way to fix that is to expose them for what they are.

I am surprised the Democrats are able to contain their glee over this crisis they have created. They have been working toward this for a very long time, since before I was born and I’m pretty old. And if we manage to eek out of this situationist somehow there is the Social Security problem looming on the horizon that makes this look small. We’re in for some ugly times.

Maxx on September 29, 2008 at 7:00 PM

but being honked off at Nancy is not one of them.

AP……

Whoa there pardner! You need to back that pony up.

The reps were swallowing a bitter pill for the sake of bi-partisan cooperation and you expect them to chase it with a huge steaming pile of Pelosi’s crap? She was lying about where the blame for this lies and you want them to tacitly agree with her by sitting there quietly?

That is way to much to ask.

csdeven on September 29, 2008 at 7:05 PM

I have to admit that I prefer when Republicans take the high road. Even if it was true, it was better left unsaid.

Cindy Munford on September 29, 2008 at 7:09 PM

Lou Dobbs has a poll up to vote on.
I wish John McCain would allow Sarah P to review all of
the videos & documentation on who caused this mess, name
names and shut the Dems mouth. I know SHE can talk!! I am
tired of our side not telling the truth about this & allow
ing the other side just blaming us!!

bluefox on September 29, 2008 at 7:24 PM

I know Nancy Pelosi is a silly b*itch, but come on.

Terrye on September 29, 2008 at 5:49 PM

Sorry to pick on you, but no, Bullshit. This is the same crap Allahpundit is spewing.

Nancy Pelosi and her handmaidens in the fucking press are using this issue to – very effectively – sway voters in the Presidential election. The issue is a lightyear over O’Bambi’s head, but look at the polls.

She can’t have it both ways – getting the credit for the legislation while beating the GOP with accusations of partisanship, all the while 94 Democrats voted against it.

Allah goes one idiotic step further by declaring that surely the GOP is the problem, since the polls of retarded voters show them cheering on Pelosi. WTF? Of course they are: between the networks perfidy and douchebag bloggers pointing at the House Republicans, what else would they possibly conclude?

How, exactly, does that explain black, leftist, nitwit Jesse Jackson, Jr. voting against the bill?

F U All.

Jaibones on September 29, 2008 at 7:25 PM

I was listening to Hugh Hewitt (sp?) on the way home from work. If he’s correct there’s some hard core Machiavellian stuff going on here.

The defecrats could have passed this without the Republicans. But they want the markets to melt down and, therefore, had a large number of them voting against it. If that happens – another great depression – they will sweep everything this November and usher in the USSA.

If this is true we are witnessing a coup by the hard left in this country.

Do I need to adjust my tinfoil hat or get ready to take up arms?

BowHuntingTexas on September 29, 2008 at 7:34 PM

Do I need to adjust my tinfoil hat or get ready to take up arms?

BowHuntingTexas on September 29, 2008 at 7:34 PM

The latter.

Jaibones on September 29, 2008 at 8:00 PM

How, exactly, does that explain black, leftist, nitwit Jesse Jackson, Jr. voting against the bill?

F U All.

Jaibones on September 29, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Touche.

Also, if this is “ARMAGEDDON OF FINANCE”, then why the #%@# are we taking off 2 days for RoshShashannah??? Couldn’t we just put in a call to the Orthodox heirarchy and get a few hours free?

Seems fishy.

battleoflepanto1571 on September 29, 2008 at 8:28 PM

LOL at the emasculated GOP whining about their hurt feelings. Odd coming from a party that called anyone who correctly opposed the war a traitor.

philnewkirk on September 29, 2008 at 8:36 PM

philnewkirk: go back to kos.

Bambi on September 29, 2008 at 8:58 PM

Ha Ha…..Huckabee just said on Hannity and Colmes that Nacncy Pelosi does not know the difference between a punch bowl and a toilet bowl.

Freakin Hilarious!!!

I’m starting like Huckabee!

Winebabe on September 29, 2008 at 9:10 PM

The House Republicans I see on TV are idiots.

I think the Dems are in for a huge win, unfortunately.

indythinker on September 29, 2008 at 9:15 PM

The House Republicans I see on TV are idiots. I think the Dems are in for a huge win, unfortunately.

indythinker on September 29, 2008 at 9:15 PM

Boehner and Cantor vs. Barney Butt-Boy and Lockjaw Pelosi? Are you kidding? GFY, douche.

Jaibones on September 29, 2008 at 9:20 PM

Ha Ha…..Huckabee just said on Hannity and Colmes that Nacncy Pelosi does not know the difference between a punch bowl and a toilet bowl.

Freakin Hilarious!!!

I’m starting like Huckabee!

Winebabe on September 29, 2008 at 9:10 PM

He also said there were Republican dirty hands in this – twice – but wouldn’t name them.

At least Rush, Hannity, et all, have the guts to name those in government who at the very least encouraged this mess.

I wish Republicans like Huck would stop “me-tooing” the Dems on all their talking points.

Marybeth on September 29, 2008 at 9:46 PM

According to Rove on O’Reilly, it wasn’t that the Dems did not have the votes to pass the bailout, it was that Pelosi released the votes of the vulnerable legislators to give them cover and then asked the Reps to furnish the passing votes, in effect making them complicit in the bailout.

I believe that scenario–I worked in a state capitol and legislators were released by their caucus leader all the time from a nasty vote if they had the votes to pass it otherwise.

Nice politics, Nancy. Keep fiddling while Rome burns.

PattyJ on September 29, 2008 at 10:08 PM

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDFiZmMyYWQwYjViZjk4MjlkMjEzYjBjZDdkZTRkYzk=

The link AP posted just to rub it in. That is the result of short-sightedness: Vote down this plan, and get a Socialist President. Yes, it’s that simple.

Tommygun on September 29, 2008 at 10:11 PM

LOL at the emasculated GOP whining about their hurt feelings. Odd coming from a party that called anyone who correctly opposed the war a traitor.

philnewkirk on September 29, 2008 at 8:36 PM

That was true. What’s your point?

hawkdriver on September 29, 2008 at 10:12 PM

Hmmm, Maybe my point wasn’t succinct.

You were and are still traitors.

You liberal democrats had servicemen and women on the battlefield and sold em down the river. Just like you sold the ecomony down the river to give cheap loans to people who didn’t qualify for them and lined Barney Franks, Dodds, Obamas et al pockets with cash.

hawkdriver on September 29, 2008 at 10:20 PM

So we blocked the $700 biliion just to allow Paulsen to do whatever he wants anyway? Look at this:
And as part of the deal, Citi agreed to absorb $42 billion in prospective losses from Wachovia’s $312 billion loan portfolio. The remaining $270 billion exposure, however, is being handed off to U.S. taxpayers in exchange for $12 billion in Citi preferred stock and warrants. But that’s a deal Washington regulators and policymakers were willing to take. In a statement announcing the Wachovia deal, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson noted that a “failure of Wachovia would have posed a systemic risk” to the financial system.
Where does Paulsen get off putting us on the tab for $270 billion? Will somebody get rid of this guy?

paulsur on September 29, 2008 at 10:23 PM

REVOLUTION!!!

Calm Before the Storm on September 29, 2008 at 11:00 PM

paulsur on September 29, 2008 at 10:23 PM

The taxpayers shall pay for more than 700B to resolve this. That is what you victory today has preordained.

phronesis on September 29, 2008 at 11:43 PM

Lou Dobbs has a poll up to vote on.
I wish John McCain would allow Sarah P to review all of
the videos & documentation on who caused this mess, name
names and shut the Dems mouth. I know SHE can talk!! I am
tired of our side not telling the truth about this & allow
ing the other side just blaming us!!

bluefox on September 29, 2008 at 7:24 PM

In politics, you’re either on offense or you’re on defense. Not nearly enough offense from the Repubs and Conservatives…

eanax on September 30, 2008 at 12:55 AM

Hmmm, Maybe my point wasn’t succinct.

You were and are still traitors.

hawkdriver on September 29, 2008 at 10:20 PM

For opposing the war? In that case, good, I’m a proud traitor! :D

philnewkirk on September 30, 2008 at 2:19 AM

Screw all those politician bastards…maybe its time for a good old fashioned Boston Tea Party.

Taxes are patriotic. Those boneheads in the 1700′s didn’t have a clue.

Today we heave the tea back on the ship, bend over and beg the government in a sorrowful voice: “Kick my ass”

mylegsareswollen on September 30, 2008 at 2:39 AM

For opposing the war? In that case, good, I’m a proud traitor! :D

philnewkirk on September 30, 2008 at 2:19 AM

Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing. When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it.
- Dwight D. Eisenhower, 5 star General, Supreme Commander of the Allied forces in Europe, 34th President of the United States of America

MB4 on September 30, 2008 at 4:41 AM

I disagree, AP that her speech isnt sufficient reason. I wouldn’t vote yes after hearing that insult. The democrats created this mess going all the way back to Mr peanut and made infinitely worse by Clintoon.

And many didn’t want to vote for it anyway, because the American people are against it. Her speech was the straw.

dogsoldier on September 30, 2008 at 5:18 AM

That is the result of short-sightedness: Vote down this plan, and get a Socialist President. Yes, it’s that simple.

Tommygun on September 29, 2008 at 10:11 PM

Wrong, TG. Up or down, the media is now controlling the minds of enough nitwit swing voters that we look to get the socialist puppet no matter what we do on this vote.

Answer: head for the hills.

Jaibones on September 30, 2008 at 7:42 AM

OK, admit it gang:

Ron Paul was right.

Revolution.

Jaibones on September 30, 2008 at 7:46 AM

OK, admit it gang:

Ron Paul was right.

Revolution.

Jaibones on September 30, 2008 at 7:46 AM

About irresponsible and runaway monetary (and fiscal) policy, absolutely. But anyone with a brain knew that. We all still know it.

As to the idea that one must have a gold standard for the currency, I can’t agree with that. If the government cannot control itself managing a fiat currency, then it probably can’t control itself with anything and is slated for doom, anyway. I’d be very amenable, however, to something like Constitutional restrictions on the size of the federal government – perhaps stating that the Fed budget cannot exceed x% of the GDP.

I like Ron Paul, but he took libertarianism to a goofy level and his foreign policy was sort of “head-in-the-sand” stuff.

progressoverpeace on September 30, 2008 at 8:08 AM

Yes, God will protect our nation. But read through I & II Kings and I II Chronicles. When a nation goes against God’s precepts, He sends judgement to try to get it back on track.

Love this one.

God’s mad at us for our sinful ways, so he delivers judgment in the form of bad home loans.

Religion continues to

crack

me

up.

cgoode777 on September 30, 2008 at 9:44 AM

Now that this has been totally debunked as crap and the Pelosi speech did not sway one GOP voter, according to one of the GOP congressman who voted against it, I am surprised this topic is still up and running!

Monkei on September 30, 2008 at 1:01 PM

I disagree, AP that her speech isnt sufficient reason. I wouldn’t vote yes after hearing that insult. The democrats created this mess going all the way back to Mr peanut and made infinitely worse by Clintoon.

And many didn’t want to

Oh yes, let’s forget about the 12 years of GOP control of the house and the last 8 years of Bush … guess you missed all those years where the GOP had an opportunity to FIX a problem you claimed was there?

Rich.

Monkei on September 30, 2008 at 1:03 PM

I am surprised this topic is still up and running!

Monkei on September 30, 2008 at 1:01 PM

That’s because you’re a Monkei-Boy. You probably are surprised a lot.

Jaibones on September 30, 2008 at 6:11 PM

Oh yes, let’s forget about the 12 years of GOP control of the house and the last 8 years of Bush … guess you missed all those years where the GOP had an opportunity to FIX a problem you claimed was there?

Rich.

Monkei on September 30, 2008 at 1:03 PM

If your interested, look up H.R.1461 Federal Housing Finance Reform Act of 2005 (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House) on Thomas (109th Congress). The bill was passed by the House, but killed in the Senate by the Democrats.

Also, if your interested, the debate on this bill, via the Congressional Record: October 26, 2005 (House).

Xiphos on October 1, 2008 at 9:39 AM

As far as the House GOP leadership blaming Pelosi’s “partisan” speech for the bailout failure, here’s Mort Kondracke’s comments on Brit Hume’s special report the other night:

But, look, the idea that Nancy Pelosi, odious though her remarks were, and I got to say that, chased off a bunch of Republicans is nonsense.

When I talked to Republicans a couple hours before her remarks, and they were saying the best we’re going to get is 70, so they ended up with 66. So maybe she scared off four, but that’s about as much as she scared off.

‘Special Report’ Panel on Pelosi, Congress and the Failure of the Bailout Bill; Role of Candidates in Financial Crisis

Xiphos on October 1, 2008 at 9:49 AM

Sorry, the above Congressional Record link for the House debate on the Federal Housing Finance Reform Act of 2005 was incorrect.

The link should be:

Congressional Record: October 26, 2005 (House)

Xiphos on October 1, 2008 at 9:59 AM

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