Must-listen: Karl Rove on how Obama and Pelosi blew the bailout
posted at 8:10 pm on September 29, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Apparently neither one of them lifted a finger to pressure their toadiest toadies, which means either they’re not taking this seriously or they’re too stupid and/or gutless to lean on their colleagues effectively. You’d think The One at least could flip 12 Democrats by promising to swing by their districts while he’s on the road and turn some water into wine or whatever to help get them reelected. After all, if the polls hold, this is going to be his mess to clean up come January. Waiting only makes it worse. Grab a mop, Messiah. Click the image to listen.
Update: Most members of the Congressional Black Caucus, many of whom come from safe districts and aren’t at risk politically, voted no. Good work, Barry.
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I watched O’Reilly tonight and couldn’t believe the way he pandered to that lying, cheating piece of crap Kerry. Frankly, I neither need or want the likes of O’Reilly “watching out” for me. He’s a loud mouth blustering fool.
rplat on September 29, 2008 at 8:56 PM
FIFY.
lorien1973 on September 29, 2008 at 8:56 PM
What she said!!!
4shoes on September 29, 2008 at 8:56 PM
I didn’t watch the whole thing because I just got home, but I did hear oreilly say, “you are a leader”, and of course lurch said, “yes”.
Leader of what I’d like to ask oreilly?
O’reilly talked about pelosi and how it would’ve been better if politics were not involved and of course lurch said (I forget exactly), but then lurch went on to say the same thing as pelosi. (lack of caps, means lack of respect)
Did I make sense? Not sure!
Bambi on September 29, 2008 at 8:57 PM
Pretty simplistic view there Roger especially considering overwhelmingly the people are against the bill. As far as the people are concerned, they did the right thing no matter how you feel about it.
TheBigOldDog on September 29, 2008 at 8:58 PM
What we seem to need here is a good “lightworker” – someone who can make handling these type problems look easy.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/06/06/notes060608.DTL?
Got any ideas?
connertown on September 29, 2008 at 8:58 PM
Remember… the moonbats can only think the oppositethink.. you know… Orwellian.
CC
CapedConservative on September 29, 2008 at 8:58 PM
“VolMagic on September 29, 2008 at 8:55 PM”
Dude, you are obviously confused. You sound dumb.
Its simple. Who are you going to blame for the bill going down in defeat? The party that voted FOR it or the party that voted AGAINST it?
Its that simple.
And all the repub leaders pushed them to vote for it: Bush, McCain, Boener, et all. Plus all the republican business leaders, plus the republican appointed Fed leaders. And these dumbasses STILL voted no.
I heard some real stupid stuff on the floor today. Some southern redneck Repub was saying the bill was a piece of crap with a marshmallow on it. I think it is mostly southern Repubs that are constantly embarrassing the party…you know, Huckabee people (stupid people).
Roger Waters on September 29, 2008 at 9:00 PM
The only person Bill O’Reilly looks out for is Bill O’Reilly. That’s why he thinks the President of the United States should give him investment advice. He must have lost millions in Lehman…Waaa!
TheBigOldDog on September 29, 2008 at 9:01 PM
“Pretty simplistic view there Roger especially considering overwhelmingly the people are against the bill. As far as the people are concerned, they did the right thing no matter how you feel about it.
TheBigOldDog on September 29, 2008 at 8:58 PM
”
Well, if you are right BigDog, and maybe you are, then the repubs should keep that in mind as people lose their jobs and their nest eggs and they vote these people the F out of office.
Roger Waters on September 29, 2008 at 9:02 PM
Roger, you are a dope, if the 93 democrates had voted yay, we wouldn’t be having this disagreement, but keep blaming “your” party, what ever that really is. To lift a line from an episode of Robot Chicken that more than describes your logic…..”Mars is Amazing”
dmann on September 29, 2008 at 9:02 PM
Blaming Democrats for the failure of the rescue bill is absurd and many voters know enough math to figure that out looking at the vote. Delude yourselves all you like. Rove is no better than Nancy Pelosi when it comes to partisan goals coming before doing what has to be done for the good of the country.
lexhamfox on September 29, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Hannity showing that Dems defending Fannie Mae video … cool
CanadianGuy on September 29, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Stop gerrymandering NOW!
SouthernGent on September 29, 2008 at 9:03 PM
I hate to sound like a downer, but I think we’ve been beaten.
For awhile there it looked like a good idea to have John “The Compromiser” McCain as our guy. But in the interest of bipartisanship he’s completely refused to defend himself or his party.
At this moment we are losing the perception war. Things need to turn around, quickly.
Dorvillian on September 29, 2008 at 9:04 PM
How many foolish things can you pack into four sentences.
1) 94 Dems voted Nay. It was a bi-partisan rejection.
2) You are not a Republican in any way, shape, or form.
3) “For hell’s sake”??? Is that some sort of Satanistic exclamation?
4) Most of the posters here are not stupid. This is a blog of opinions. Grow up.
5) Most people here are not blaming any particular person. This is a tough issue with folks from both parties on both sides of the issue.
6) Given the other five errors, I am compelled to deduct that you are, indeed, stupid. Really, embarrassingly stupid.
I don’t like to insult people, but you earned that last one by calling others stupid. It is not appreciated.
connertown on September 29, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Ummm…Jesus….
I think we need to come to terms on the definition of ‘Stupid’…likewise Moron…
BigWyo on September 29, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Dude Did you listen to the video????
CC
CapedConservative on September 29, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Stop Plate Tectonics!
Reunite Pangaea!
connertown on September 29, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Huckabee is making sense for the first time on Hannity.
CanadianGuy on September 29, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Right now they are doing the people’s will and as the people learn more and more the blame for all of this will fall squarely on the shoulders of the Democrats, where it belongs.
TheBigOldDog on September 29, 2008 at 9:07 PM
“We are the ones we’ve been waiting for!” – Barrack Hussein Odouche
RightWinged on September 29, 2008 at 9:08 PM
The CBC voted against the bill because it wasn’t socialist enough. Does anyone doubt that a Democrat goodies laden bill would pass?
Speedwagon82 on September 29, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Oh backwoods conservative! That’s so funny- we kept switching between O’Reilly, (who sickens me but I wanted to see Karl Rove) and Intervention- when I switched back and saw Frank Luntz, (Frank Duntz) I said- no more FOX tonight! I’m ticked that FOX keeps giving Luntz-Duntz a forum. The guys a fake, and even if McCain is behind, I’m not buying it from his polls.
anniekc on September 29, 2008 at 9:09 PM
No. He just now did not defend McCain.
artchick on September 29, 2008 at 9:10 PM
“How many foolish things can you pack into four sentences.
1) 94 Dems voted Nay. It was a bi-partisan rejection.
2) You are not a Republican in any way, shape, or form.
3) “For hell’s sake”??? Is that some sort of Satanistic exclamation?”
Dude, use your brain…no matter how small it may be.
The repubs voted nay on a 2 to 1 basis. The MAJORITY of the dems voted Yay. So, if the Repubs had voted like the Dems had voted, the bill would have passed. Why is that so difficult for you to understand???
“uh, well, uh, the Dem’s werent PERFECT in their voting on this bill so its their fault even though my party couldnt even get HALF of their reps to vote for it”
You think that flys, eh? Brilliant man, brilliant. Pull your partisan head out of your ass. It will cost us seats, dude…and McCain will continue his slide to McGovern-like loserdome.
Roger Waters on September 29, 2008 at 9:11 PM
“The people who burned our Thanksgiving dinner are now asking us to allow them to cook our Christmas dinner.”
Mike Huckabee
carbon_footprint on September 29, 2008 at 9:11 PM
12 of the 37 Dems on Frank’s own committee voted against the bill.
TheBigOldDog on September 29, 2008 at 9:12 PM
If Obama wins, I can tell you right now he is facing a revolt. This s*** wont stand. So maybe he blows the bailout and still wins the election but he is in for a s***storm of a lifetime. If they think McCain winning is gonna be bad because of the black protesters, hang around for the aftermath in an Obama win.
Cardiganfox on September 29, 2008 at 9:12 PM
“Dude Did you listen to the video????
CC
CapedConservative ”
Yes I did. And I agreed with it. Those dems are probably playing politics. And by being STUPID, the repubs played right in their hands by VOTING AGAINST THE BILL.
Roger Waters on September 29, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Great, I’m ready for this country to start blaming the people that caused the whole thing in the first place. Franks, Dodd, Schumer, Gorelick, Raines…let’s just start there.
BigWyo on September 29, 2008 at 9:13 PM
“The people who burned our Thanksgiving dinner are now asking us to allow them to cook our Christmas dinner.”
Mike Huckabee
carbon_footprint on September 29, 2008 at 9:11 PM”
Brilliant. The populist, Democrat except pro-life, douche Huckabee is coming up with cute non-sensical statements to appease the lower IQ types in the repub party.
THIS PARTY IS GOING DOWN…AND HUCKABEE DESERVES A FRONT SEAT AS ONE OF THE GUYS THAT HAS RUINED THE PARTY.
Roger Waters on September 29, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Amen! Evidently some people are having a hard time understanding the American people are GLAD this bill failed. G-L-A-D.
TheBigOldDog on September 29, 2008 at 9:15 PM
That is the $64 billion dollar question, adjusted for inflation. (I’d like to have an answer to that too. McCain should ask it.)
capitalist piglet on September 29, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Dorvillian on September 29, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Dude,you are so right…I’ve learned a lesson…NEVER support a candidtate that has lost in the primary from a previous year…there is a reason they lose…
Anyone else feel this way?
joepub on September 29, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Roger Waters on September 29, 2008 at 9:15 PM
This party is going nowhere pal.
Cardiganfox on September 29, 2008 at 9:16 PM
McCain may have lost his last chance to win the election by siding with Bush and Pelosi and against what the American people say they want and the House Republicans who helped stop the bill in it’s current form.
MB4 on September 29, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Let me see… call coming in 100 to 1 against it. They are doing what those who voted them into office to do R-E-P-R-E-S-E-N-T them. See, that’s what we have… a representative democracy. Their job isn’t to do what the Republican leader wants or what the Speaker wants. Their job is to respond to those that elected them. Oh, did I mention, they also happened to vote on the correct side of the issue?
CC
CapedConservative on September 29, 2008 at 9:18 PM
“Amen! Evidently some people are having a hard time understanding the American people are GLAD this bill failed. G-L-A-D.
TheBigOldDog on September 29, 2008 at 9:15 PM”
If they are, I wonder if they will still be “glad” when they get their pink slip and their 401-k has been halved making them work 10 more years than they wanted. Then again, these are the stupid people, so the probably dont even have 401-k’s.
Roger Waters on September 29, 2008 at 9:18 PM
joepub on September 29, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Yea, you don’t choose Richard Nixon again after he lost in 1960. Oh wait…
Cardiganfox on September 29, 2008 at 9:19 PM
The People screaming the loudest are those with their hands out the furthest…. don’t forget that.
TheBigOldDog on September 29, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Ahhhh… your dKos credentials come out…. someone that disagrees with you can only be stupid. Spoken like a true moonbat… run along back to dKos now and be a good boy/girl….
CC
CapedConservative on September 29, 2008 at 9:20 PM
You have a really high opinion of your own intellect. I hope it is justified.
TheBigOldDog on September 29, 2008 at 9:21 PM
“Oh, did I mention, they also happened to vote on the correct side of the issue?
CC
CapedConservative on September ”
So, all the smart people, self made billionares, republican leaders, the Fed, etc and all republicans are all wrong but Huckabee and you are on the correct side?
uuuuuuh. I dont think so. Pearl Harbor will hit this week. Lets see how they feel as their years of hard work are wiped out.
Roger Waters on September 29, 2008 at 9:21 PM
At this point, McCain has nothing to lose by telling the American people exactly who Barack Obama is – his ACORN past, his radical connections, the guy who paid for his education – ALL of it. If Americans still want the Marxist ass as POTUS, at least McCain will go down in history as the person who dared to tell the truth about it.
Ugh. Where’s Rudy? Please, Rudy – you’ve got guts. HELP.
capitalist piglet on September 29, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Morris is slaughtering McCain.
Cardiganfox on September 29, 2008 at 9:21 PM
* There aren’t enough southern Republicans to stop any bill from being passed, even if they vote en bloc.
* The “Huckabee people” are perhaps not stupid enough to buy sub-prime mortgage-backed securities. It’s beginning to dawn on me, as it has apparently not dawned on you, that this is not primarily their crisis.
* Unless you were watching C-SPAN, you saw clips carefully selected and edited by persons hostile to the Republicans. If you concluded the Republicans are stupid, you concluded what you were meant to conclude.
Kralizec on September 29, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Morris is reaming McCain. And I think he’s right. McCain screwed this up.
BuckeyeSam on September 29, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Anyone who has their 401k halved didn’t have their 401k allocated properly. I have lost almost nothing.
MB4 on September 29, 2008 at 9:22 PM
If Morris is against you; you are doing something right.
lorien1973 on September 29, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Did you type that new or cut/paste from last weeks posts?
CC
CapedConservative on September 29, 2008 at 9:23 PM
Cardiganfox on September 29, 2008 at 9:19 PM
You are right…Reagan too…
But look, Clinton, Carter, Bush 43, Now Obama…
If we lose, we can look the fact that while we thought we had the right guy, a real republican amy have done better…
Given the choice between a democrat and a democrat, the democrat always wins.
joepub on September 29, 2008 at 9:23 PM
I think Pelosi is arrogant and probably assumed that they would kiss butt for her Majesty. And I also think that Obama is once again showing us all that he can not make a decision.
Really, he can’t.
I think that by this afternoon they were taking it seriously, but I am not sure they can get out of their own way. I also think they might thinking a bad economy works for them.
Terrye on September 29, 2008 at 9:23 PM
I smell a skunk.
Or maybe it’s fish.
Star20 on September 29, 2008 at 9:24 PM
FIFY
FloatingRock on September 29, 2008 at 9:24 PM
lorien1973 on September 29, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Even a broken clock is right twice a day though.
Cardiganfox on September 29, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Pence made a lot of sense earlier on H&C. McCain has lost this thing. He needs to go all in with Pence’s plan.
BuckeyeSam on September 29, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Sink any chance of economic stablization before the election to guarantee an Obama victory?
Hmmmm…
Amadeus on September 29, 2008 at 9:24 PM
He is due. I’ll give him that.
McCain’s path to victory is clear, to me. Will he take it?
lorien1973 on September 29, 2008 at 9:25 PM
What’s Pence’s plan?
lorien1973 on September 29, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Given the choice between a democrat and a democrat, the democrat always wins.
joepub on September 29, 2008 at 9:23 PM
Touche.
Cardiganfox on September 29, 2008 at 9:25 PM
You are very confused.
People vote no to protect seats.
Thus, people vote yes when they are in safe seats.
Bill fails.
People that vote no get the goodwill of the people.
People that vote no get reelected.
Some who voted yes find that their “safe” seat is no longer safe.
Why is this so hard to understand? It mostly idiots who will the responsibilty of the lives to government at the first sign of trouble. You, apparently, are an idiot. Or spinless.
I prefer to struggle on my feet. You prefer to live comfortably on your knees.
(slam)
VolMagic on September 29, 2008 at 9:26 PM
“It’s beginning to dawn on me, as it has apparently not dawned on you, that this is not primarily their crisis”
Its EVERYBODY’s crisis. The jealousy of the wall street types will cost everybody. I thought it was the dem’s that were all into jealousy and class warfare. The dems and Huckabee types.
Yes, it is their problem too. They will lose their nest eggs (assuming they ever had one, remember, these are Huckabee types) and/or they are at greater risk of getting pink slipped. They wont be able to afford the stomach stapling like Huckabee got.
Roger Waters on September 29, 2008 at 9:26 PM
I feel like buying at the bottom.
Kralizec on September 29, 2008 at 9:26 PM
McCain’s path to victory is clear, to me. Will he take it?
lorien1973 on September 29, 2008 at 9:25 PM
What does that path look like?
joepub on September 29, 2008 at 9:26 PM
The Big Old Dog:
I am not glad it has failed. I think some people are just refusing to face facts here.
I work in health care and I heard today that if credit gets too tight hospitals might have trouble paying staff. That is the kind of thing we could be facing if this gets really bad.
Not to mention unemployment, more bank failures, small businesses going under.
Someone needs to find a way to settle this down.
Terrye on September 29, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Just like the amnesty mess, fix the root problem FIRST. Craft a simple bill to repeal the changes made to the CRA in 1995 that allowed this fiscal situation to arise. THEN, and only then, work to pass a bill to get us out of the mess that Barney, Chris, Chuckie, Lugosi et al and the all too silent Republicans foisted upon the citizens of America. Without fixing the root problem this will soon occur again because, as we’ve seen, there is no personal responsibility in D.C.
Gohawgs on September 29, 2008 at 9:28 PM
I wander if this wasn’t some type of tactical move by Pelosi. The MSM is going to assign blame to the house republicans, and if the market gets bad enough than Pelosi will have carte de blanche to do whatever she wants and shove a bunch of democratic goodies down the republicans throat. And then accuse republicans for putting idealogy over people’s financial well being. She will also have the added benefit of making them look petty for not voting for the bill because she hurt their feelings. McCain needs to get control of his party, because it seems to me that their not listing to Bush or John Boehner. Public opinion can be fickle, people may be against the bill now, but if the economy implodes and republicans get the blame their’s going to be a reckoning at the polls.
Ric on September 29, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Don’t ever trying to catch a falling knife….
TheBigOldDog on September 29, 2008 at 9:28 PM
The sky is falling!
Oooh! He’p me, he’p me! Somebody he’p me! He’p me! He’p me! He’p me!
MB4 on September 29, 2008 at 9:29 PM
McCain stands up. Resubmits this bill with legistlation that fixes the underlying causes (CRA, Glass-Steagall, sarbanes, etc).
he appeals directly to the people to help him get it passed – under the idea that if his bill passes; this will never ever happen again. (Stand up and fight with me! – remember from the convention)
He does this with republicans and some blue dog democrats behind him as well.
The phone lines will flood in support of the bill. People don’t want a bailout. But they’ll eat it, if they know this won’t ever happen again.
He does this, he wins everything.
lorien1973 on September 29, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Public opinion is volatile. If this gets bad enough fast enough people will probably be demanding action.
Kind of like an economic Katrina. complete with Shep Smith showing off for the cameras.
Terrye on September 29, 2008 at 9:29 PM
You will read my adverbs.
Kralizec on September 29, 2008 at 9:30 PM
“And then accuse republicans for putting idealogy over people’s financial well being.”
Ric on September 29, 2008 at 9:28 PM
If this is the case, history will smile on us forever. Republicans in The Alamo, outnumbered, standing up for the ideologies of our founding fathers against the barrage of socialism from people too scared to face reality.
Cardiganfox on September 29, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Yeah, but if people are eating each other inside the capital. I don’t think anyone will mind so much.
lorien1973 on September 29, 2008 at 9:31 PM
If you don’t already have it in t-bills… well… what can I say. Let this thing settle and then come back in. Oh wait! If credit is going to be that tight, cash will be king. I better not do that, I might get an exceptionally good deal.
Here’s a tidbit. Today’s drop is NOT in the top 10 percentage wise (that IS what matters). We have 1929 and we have 1987. Can anyone tell me the other world-ending, great depression causing crashes that represent numbers 3 through 10 in the list??????
CC
CapedConservative on September 29, 2008 at 9:32 PM
“I prefer to struggle on my feet. You prefer to live comfortably on your knees.
(slam)
VolMagic on September 29, 2008 at 9:26 PM”
What an assclown. HA HA HA HA!!! Trust me, I could live a real long time with my, now reduced, nest egg. I could probably retire. I wont be as affected as the dumber people…like you.
Roger Waters on September 29, 2008 at 9:32 PM
I was arguing for it and explaining the crisis as OTs here before people even knew what was going on – the record is clear. However, realize this: The people with the gun to our heads are the people with their hands out and those screaming the loudest are those who benefit the most.
TheBigOldDog on September 29, 2008 at 9:32 PM
lorien:
What if the Democrats don’t go for that? They are the majority.
Terrye on September 29, 2008 at 9:32 PM
He does this, he wins everything.
lorien1973 on September 29, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Lorien, I am with you…That is a terrific strategy. He needs to do it.
joepub on September 29, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Rove is right. Pelosi is sustaining the crisis and stringing it out, better to demonize capitalism and its sympathizers in the eyes of the public.
petefrt on September 29, 2008 at 9:33 PM
That’s why he needs to appeal directly to the people – overshoot the democrats entirely. Have them call their congressman and demand they support the bill. i think you could get a million or two million calls up there in support. They’ll have to support it.
lorien1973 on September 29, 2008 at 9:33 PM
He had time only to sketch it out. But it included insurance for which financial institutions would pay premiums. I think it also includes elimination of mark to market accounting, reduction (maybe even short-term elimination) of the capital gain tax, and a moratorium on a tax that applies when corporations repatriate earnings. The theory is that these moves will prompt liquidity to flood back into the country.
Spence sounds like a straight-shooter and he’s not Barney Frank. It’s a plan that seems to put most of the onus on Wall Street, and it’s something McCain might be able to get on and, once passed, help him point at Obama, the CRA of 1977, Fannie, Freddie, Barney Frank, et al.
BuckeyeSam on September 29, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Intelligence reference again… did you get a permission slip to leave dKos to come here?
CC
CapedConservative on September 29, 2008 at 9:34 PM
MB4:
Let them eat cake.
Marie Antoinette..before they cut off her head.
Terrye on September 29, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Had I been aiming for technical precision, I would have said something such as, “I feel like buying after a capitulation, followed by a turnaround and a ‘confirmation’ day on high volume with at least a 2% rise on one or more of the major indices.” But then I think my real point would have been lost.
Kralizec on September 29, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Hey, I have no problem with ACORN and La Raza getting their pink slips………….
…….. by the way, with all the bile that you have been spewing in this thread, did I miss the one where you called for criminal prosecution of those responsible and/or blocked legislation to keep it from happening in the first place?
Seven Percent Solution on September 29, 2008 at 9:35 PM
“Here’s a tidbit. Today’s drop is NOT in the top 10 percentage wise (that IS what matters). We have 1929 and we have 1987. Can anyone tell me the other world-ending, great depression causing crashes that represent numbers 3 through 10 in the list??????
CC
CapedConservative on September 29, 2008 at 9:32 PM”
See? You just dont get it. This isnt a stock market crisis. Its a credit crisis. When companies can no longer borrow, they will be forced to retrench. People will lose jobs, savings will lost AND the market will continue to detiorate. Get ready for a long slow ride to a deep deep recession because of the CREDIT crisis.
Roger Waters on September 29, 2008 at 9:35 PM
I repeat for those that did not see it:
Today’s drop is NOT IN THE TOP 10 percentage-wise and that IS what matter. After 1929 and 1987, can ANYONE name numbers 3 through 10? I’m sure they had to be end-of-the-world events since they were far worse than today…..
CC
CapedConservative on September 29, 2008 at 9:36 PM
lorien1973 on September 29, 2008 at 9:29 PM
I think it works better on paper than in practice though. Is there really enough time for McCain to do all those things? From today till Thursday nothing will get done. Is he even that popular right now to get the people behind him? It seems there is a huge backlash against him at present. And Obama could just come out and be a royal deuchebag deriding his efforts and people wont pay attention to it at all.
Cardiganfox on September 29, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Thanks for making my point, silly goose.
But I thought when Pearl Harbor hits it’s EVERYBODY’S problem!!1!
Whatever. You’re just too easy to sucker. Hey, if someone wants to sell you a bridge, go for it.
VolMagic on September 29, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Baloney!!! The GOP blew the bail out and don’t think I’m so naive that I don’t know that. It will cost them the election and, as far as I’m concerned, good enough for them.
jeanie on September 29, 2008 at 9:37 PM
LOL! As long as you know what you’re doing…
TheBigOldDog on September 29, 2008 at 9:37 PM
FIFY
Been thinking about this. Here’s some food for thought- Obambi and McCain have BOTH been notoriously careful to not take a firm position on this bill. Now, we’ve come to expect this from The One, since he has not position on anything except Change and Hope. He’s never met a position that he’s willing to even date for more than a month and those are subject to poll #s. Barring a series of consistent, definitive polls, Obama would not have a position on whether or not he should tie his shoes.
McCain is a different story. He historically takes a firm position on most things, damn the torpedoes. If McCain is hedging… there is usually a good reason.
Put simply, neither firmly opposed or supported the bail out. Bambi has worked hard to assess blame, rabble rouse and generally be a worthless nuisance without actually saying anything. McCain has not said anything while remaining conspicuously central.
Damiano on September 29, 2008 at 9:37 PM
And the Fed just pumped $730 billion into the market today. You just don’t get it. This is about keeping the credit default swaps from coming due. You familiar with those?
CC
CapedConservative on September 29, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Roger,
Forget McCain, most of us still don’t like his Maverick ways, he is not a real Republican, he’s a politicain. If the majority of Americans are so enamored with the Messiah and the need to heal the manufactured myth of generational racial guilt….so be it! This dose not mean we should compromise our principles to gain disingenuous political favor. Principle is all that really matters, we all look favorably upon histories selfless champions of freedom whom share but only one trait, that being uncompromised principles. Damn the torpedoes, Obama is a shameless whore!
Duty-honor-country
dmann on September 29, 2008 at 9:39 PM
“by the way, with all the bile that you have been spewing in this thread, did I miss the one where you called for criminal prosecution of those responsible and/or blocked legislation to keep it from happening in the first place?”
Well, I dont know about criminal prosecution but, yeah, I would love to see the republicans make the case that these people should be blamed…and these are democrats like Barney Frank and Chris Todd.
But, that doesnt mean you dont do what is right when you find yourself in a crisis regardless of who caused the crisis….LEADERS dont do that.
Also, how are the repubs going to make that case when:
1) they will continue to get their ass kicked in the next election
2) GW Bush cant seem to communicate jack crap to the american people. Reagan he is not. He already has failed us that way….he should have explained the issue better to the american people….this has always been his biggest fault…his inability to communicate and persuade.
Roger Waters on September 29, 2008 at 9:39 PM
This could have been passed with the majority in the house – by the defecrats.
I’m beginning to believe they wanted this in order to destroy our economy.
They and their willing surrogates in the MSM are going to point this directly at “Bush and his cronies”.
Guess what? Obama will keep repeating that McCain voted for / with Bush 90% for his policies.
And he’ll peg McCain as a Bush crony.
They want the stock market to tank so they can sweep in in November and usher in the USSA.
I believe there’s some hard core s going on and we may be living through a coup of some sorts.
Tin foil hat firmly adjusted.
BowHuntingTexas on September 29, 2008 at 9:40 PM
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