Must-listen: Karl Rove on how Obama and Pelosi blew the bailout
posted at 8:10 pm on September 29, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Apparently neither one of them lifted a finger to pressure their toadiest toadies, which means either they’re not taking this seriously or they’re too stupid and/or gutless to lean on their colleagues effectively. You’d think The One at least could flip 12 Democrats by promising to swing by their districts while he’s on the road and turn some water into wine or whatever to help get them reelected. After all, if the polls hold, this is going to be his mess to clean up come January. Waiting only makes it worse. Grab a mop, Messiah. Click the image to listen.
Update: Most members of the Congressional Black Caucus, many of whom come from safe districts and aren’t at risk politically, voted no. Good work, Barry.
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Pelosi wanted the bill to fail . Now the democrats can turn this into a Christmas tree ad pass it along party line vote.
meci on September 29, 2008 at 8:13 PM
I’ll believe its an emergency when those telling me it’s an emergency start acting like it’s an emergency.
lorien1973 on September 29, 2008 at 8:13 PM
Rove on Fox now. She tried to set them up like a Mother f’er!
TheBigOldDog on September 29, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Also on O’Reilly
Heard on Fox wise guys.. some of the democrats voting against the bill were democrat committee chairmen.
If Pelosi can’t guarantee committee and sub-committee chairmen who owe their jobs to her and won’t vote with the speaker, what does that say about the speaker?
rockhauler on September 29, 2008 at 8:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIouq2u9kUo
winemkr on September 29, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Please reconsider and support the bill.
First let’s save the economy then McCain can go after them.
Ace has a good point.
http://minx.cc/?post=274465
splashtc on September 29, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Screw her and the party she rode in on.
Purple Fury on September 29, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Pelosi failed.
She either did it on purpose or she did it because she is incompetent.
Elizabetty on September 29, 2008 at 8:17 PM
The “One” can fix this with a simple mind trick…
d1carter on September 29, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Or if you believe Red State, they wanted it to fail.
LastRick on September 29, 2008 at 8:18 PM
I think we can only assume that Pelosi is milking the financial crisis for Obama’s benefit. Obama’s numbers started reversing when the economic outlook started tanking. So, this was a play to swing more voters to Obama, plain and simple politics.
Note that the DOW went south due to fear, not due to failure.
Let the market work itself out, we *know* that free market works, it just needs to adjust. People who panic make bad decisions and over react. I wouldn’t trust anyone in Congress to know how to fix something like this, so if there are experts with conflicting opinions, you go with the free market. If the free market doesn’t work, then it was doomed to failure one day anyways. If social engineering is to blame for the failure, then those things are still in the system and will cause a future failure (this 700B is wasted).
1. Get rid of the social engineering (CRA).
2. Let the free market work itself out.
3. Punish those responsible.
4. Lower taxes.
5. Remove capital gains tax, corporate tax, estate tax, etc.
6. Cut government spending.
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Geministorm on September 29, 2008 at 8:20 PM
And the Republicans couldn’t raise these points during their presser, why?
They had to make the focal point Pelosi’s speech, why?
BadgerHawk on September 29, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Exactly. I want to be onboard with this. I don’t want the economy to tank. I don’t want people’s financial security to be in crisis.
But it’s hard to know which side to be on when the Democrats don’t seem to be taking this bill even the tiniest bit seriously.
BadgerHawk on September 29, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Sideways. Without lube. At the same time, preferably.
wise_man on September 29, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Lurch is on O’Reilly blaming it on the Republicans ALONE!
carbon_footprint on September 29, 2008 at 8:23 PM
have you lost anything? seriously. I don’t know ANYONE who is hurting from this crisis so far, EXCEPT the ‘elites’ on wall street and the media that have hedge funds and huge amounts in the investment banks.
don’t try to explain the credit crisis to me, i understand the “possibility” (which also seems odd because, imagine that, in the 1960s it’s not as if home loans and billions in liquidity were flowing like water, and we had the most productive decade in the history of america (1960s)….and this was years after the GIbill even)
Just like the “MARKET CORRECTION” for the internet in 2000&early 2001, this is a “HOUSING CORRECTION” where we go back to the days of 20% down for a mortgage.
Sorry to the ‘inner city’ folks… the CRA screwed us all. Credit is something to be EARNED apparently… the 3-times-a-week offers from Capital One might even stop as a result of this.
BRING ON THE HOUSING CORRECTION!! the market will sort it out.
I’m REALLY happy this bill failed. For realsies.
battleoflepanto1571 on September 29, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Geministorm-
I think you place too much emphasis on the Presidential race. If Pelosi is doing this for partisan advantage, it’s for advantage in the House races, to give her a stronger majority next year.
I don’t buy that.
If they pass an unpopular bill, particularly one that can easily be shown to be a really, really bad bill as well as unpopular, they will pay for it in the fall. Obama might win off it, because he’s kept his distance, but House Democrats will be blamed — and every single one of them faces the voters in a few weeks.
I almost wish they were stupid enough to do that. A Republican House would really, really take the edge off an Obama Presidency…. and would really, really help a President McCain avoid his worst tendencies…
ClintACK on September 29, 2008 at 8:25 PM
MeThinks you have a point. She is not stupid, and privately gnashing of teeth regarding even the minor reforms insisted on by the Republicans.
Set them up bigtime. Then Barney says at press conf ….”I hope and will be happy if I am proved wrong”…… Something along those lines. Sounded suspicious to me, like they wanted to stick the Republicans with the burden of proof if it passed, and blame them if it did not; but if it did not, then load it up again, pass it along party lines and checkmate any Bush veto.
Starlink on September 29, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Considering the extraordinary lengths these people will go to win, I wouldn’t doubt it if this “failure” was a construct to make Obama look like a miracle worker on Thursday.
-T
The Therapist on September 29, 2008 at 8:26 PM
Allah: stat, get the O’Reilly/Kerry video as soon as you can.
It is unbelievable.
carbon_footprint on September 29, 2008 at 8:26 PM
They are desperate to get Obama elected now more than ever becuase they can’t afford the investigations that would otherwise come. There are people pulling the strings here who may be at criminal risk.
TheBigOldDog on September 29, 2008 at 8:28 PM
carbon_footprint on September 29, 2008 at 8:26 PM
copy that…
stlpatriot on September 29, 2008 at 8:29 PM
O’ Reilly — Lurch
Scream and shout…
Pound the desk…
Politics is just so much fun. . .
rockhauler on September 29, 2008 at 8:29 PM
You have to see that video. Kerry is a tool.
carbon_footprint on September 29, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Look, the Dems have used every excuse under the sun to call for hearings and investigations. Now we have the largest financial crisis in generations and they haven’t called for any. Not one. Why?
TheBigOldDog on September 29, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Lurch said they were saving George Bush…WTH?
d1carter on September 29, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Ace has it backwards.
Attack the CRA to get your bill passed. Promise a fix IN the bill and the public will support you. Shoot over their heads and appeal directly to the people.
No one will care about CRA or anything else after the bill passes. It’s now or never.
Dammit. It’s not that difficult.
Doesn’t someone have a mccain email address to get the message to them?
Screw bi-partisanship. Appeal to the people. Palin did it in Alaska. McCain can do it here.
lorien1973 on September 29, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Cowardice isn’t pretty.
My collie says:
There. Collie fixed it for the donks. No need to thank him. He’s just bein’ neighborly.
CyberCipher on September 29, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Why is EVERYONE so shy about telling us this is all about credit default swaps… tell us who is holding them. That is why they MUST BUY the debt instead of insure it or give loans. That is why they must BUY AT PAR.
Ben Stein had a great idea that would make the whole problem go away INSTANTLY. Pass legislation making all credit default swaps NULL AND VOID. No cost to us. Those holding them don’t have to caugh up as much as $60 Trillion. Those on the other end of the transaction stop making the payments on them. Problem solved. No bailout. When he mentioned it Saturday, he was instantly shut up.
CC
CapedConservative on September 29, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Hey, that’s the narrative, AP, as stated by Slu and you. Why shouldn’t Nancy pull a brilliant bit of tactics like this off when she has folks behind the GOP lines that will do her job for her?
spmat on September 29, 2008 at 8:32 PM
What was Kerry talking about “a Dixie” pulled by the Repubs…I’m not sure that is what he said but he said it twice.
d1carter on September 29, 2008 at 8:32 PM
That video is PROOF that this bill is all about politics.
Kerry came out slamming Republicans, Bush and FoxNews assuming that O’Reilly was against the bill! O’Reilly had to fight to get a word in edgewise and let him know that they were both for the bill!
Kerry didn’t care about the bill; he wanted to bash Republicans and Bush. Amazing.
carbon_footprint on September 29, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Wow…Lurch and his party are desperate, O’Reilly was actually charitable by letting Kerry put his head in the noose all by himself!
dmann on September 29, 2008 at 8:33 PM
My head is going to explode. For Nasty Nancy to be out there blaming the Bush Admin. and the GOP when she had what, 93 Dem’s to call on makes me insane. This is beyond partisan-she needs to be gutted.
anniekc on September 29, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Never assume malice when incompetence will suffice.
lorien1973 on September 29, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Gee, Lurch almost lost it in the O’Reilly interview. What a shmuck.
jewells45 on September 29, 2008 at 8:33 PM
***WHY WON’T ANYONE CRITICIZE FRANK, DODD, ETC… MCCAIN WHAT ARE YOU DOING???
I know he knows better but for real… 200GOP in the house and 48 in the senate and NO ONE CAN CALL OUT THE DEMS??
I’m furious listening to Barney Frank.
battleoflepanto1571 on September 29, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Damn! My satellite went out! Hasn’t rained in two months and it decides to pour during the interview and screwed everything up!
Oink on September 29, 2008 at 8:35 PM
O’Reilly’s a populist putz and won’t take Kerry to task. Kerry is one of the worst partisan hacks on the Hill. This entire bailout is a joke – it’s all about leverage, all about power.
dugan on September 29, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Exit question:
Was the Pelosi speech before the vote, intentionally inflamatory to kill the bill?
Why am I suspicious; see Redstate…….procedural motion after vote by prevailing party to reconsider was tabled. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Starlink on September 29, 2008 at 8:35 PM
carbon_footprint on September 29, 2008 at 8:23 PM
I think I resent that they think people are so stupid. I wish I could figure out what Bela thought she was up to. They don’t usually pull of this political intrigue stuff that well. Hence the 18% approval rating.
Cindy Munford on September 29, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Did he mention that he was for the bailout before he was against it?
CyberCipher on September 29, 2008 at 8:36 PM
I don’t have cable, so didn’t see it. Did Kerry slip up and say, “If I’d been president…”?
Wethal on September 29, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Just got back from the mailbox, out of which I pulled a letter from Citibank – the bank that just bought my bank – wherein they offered me $5,000 dollars immediately for a personal loan. I don’t even have to be present, they will fill out the paper work over the phone. Then, I just have to show up and they will give me 5 grand. Poor Citibank, they must of mailed this out before they realized that credit had frozen, and that they would have to buy out Wachovia. I felt so bad, I considered giving them $5,000 dollars from my own account…which they now hold.
Weight of Glory on September 29, 2008 at 8:36 PM
She didn’t do it on purpose..people give her far to much credit for being anything other than a career hack that fell into the job for being a career hack…she’s a god damned imbecile.
If anything, she really is indifferent and too much of a spineless twit to call in any markers. I bet if that ACORN bull$hit was still in it she would have got off her sorry ass…
BigWyo on September 29, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Nancy, et al. are playing this beautifully. What is bad for America is good for the Democrats. A tanking stock market a few weeks before the election helps them if they can pin it all on the Republicans. The hapless Republicans will take the shaft as always while the real culprits skate.
It is Katrina all over again.
Valiant on September 29, 2008 at 8:37 PM
That’s the narrative. Bash the GOP as hard and as often as you can. The GOP never fights back and the loudest, nastiest party wins. They’ve sent the goon squad out to destroy any backtalk in the media- of course there isn’t any except for FOX.
Thank God for Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh- at least they tell the truth.
anniekc on September 29, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Remember when Pelosi was getting hammered for her BS about the Catholic church not being decided about abortion? She found herself on the outside looking in on the Obama-Express. She was upset she wasn’t confided in and asked her opinion on matters…
She knows, if she can milk this and get Obama in the WhiteHouse, that her position will be strengthened in the long run. By going this route, she allows those Dems that are in fear of losing their seats this coming election a way out (”I vote *against* spending your hard earned dollars, I’m for the blue collar worker!”). Its a win-win-win for her; get Obama in the WH (and he owes her), protect those at risk in the party, and blame it on the Republicans making them look bad and elitist.
Sometimes a forest needs to burn down in order to regrow more strong. Maybe our party, our financial system or even our country needs to fall in order to rise higher when we can more clearly see the effects of socialism forced upon the free market and liberalism forced upon a representative republic.
Geministorm on September 29, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Actually O’Reilly was steamed and went after him pretty good. He kept reminding Kerry that 93 Democrats voted against the bill! Kerry almost lost it.
carbon_footprint on September 29, 2008 at 8:37 PM
You are so right.
I am beginning to think this is all elaborate theater to get Obama into the White House.
carbon_footprint on September 29, 2008 at 8:39 PM
Lurch got pretty flustered and of course he blamed Bush. O’Reilly had the dagger in. He should have twisted it and plunged it in even deeper and twisted it again.
jewells45 on September 29, 2008 at 8:39 PM
this is nuts
maybe pelosi wanted it to fail…possible. maybe obama wanted it to fail…possible. maybe Pelosi was horrible because her own allies wouldnt vote for it…people that Pelosi could push around. Karl Rove is probably right.
But, that doesnt change anything. The party that is supposed to be smarter, the Repubs, voted no on a 2-1 basis while the MAJORITY of dems voted yes. That will cost Repubs seats and it will be further fire to the flaming out of McCain and his air-head veep.
Roger Waters on September 29, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Replay at 11pm EDT .. tivo
rockhauler on September 29, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Jeff Beatty is running against Kerry
Statement by Jeff Beatty on FBI probe of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, AIG and Lehman Brothers:
“There isn’t a player in this whole debacle that John Kerry isn’t in bed with: He took $111,000 in campaign contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac CEOs and lobbyists, then lobbied aggressively on their behalf to prevent the tighter government controls that would have prevented this crisis. He holds $2 million in AIG stock, and lobbied on its behalf to ensure that $150 million in federal Big Dig money kept flowing AIG’s way. And one of his top presidential campaign advisors was his close personal friend Jim Johnson – the former Fannie Mae CEO who walked away with millions as the mortgage industry descended into chaos.
John Kerry needs to clean his hands of this money and show he is accountable to the voters for the role he has played in this economic crisis. I demand he give the campaign contributions and stock from these companies under investigation to a fund to help home owners in mortgage trouble. Taxpayers must be the only beneficiaries of the bailout, not a billionaire like Kerry and the bad friends he’s made through 24 years in the senate. The people of Massachusetts have every right to replace him with a senator who will serve their interests, not the special interests.
TheBigOldDog on September 29, 2008 at 8:40 PM
You know the argument that Pelosi wants bad news to pin on the Republicans makes a lot of sense……to prolong the misery, so to speak.
Except for one thing: 700B worth of pork, is a lot of pork. If they can pass it with their pork, they will bring it up again. Saviors.
Starlink on September 29, 2008 at 8:40 PM
You know, now that you mention it, I can hear the crickets chirping.
4shoes on September 29, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Yeah, I’m glad I bank and have a mortgage with several small banks.
BadgerHawk on September 29, 2008 at 8:40 PM
If this is such a grave, dire emergency, then why is Congress taking two days off? I understand that it’s a holiday and everything but isn’t this serious enough to warrant working through it?
ejbentz on September 29, 2008 at 8:40 PM
I turned the TV off when Lurch came on. The man has no credibility with me. I tried to turn the TV back on, but Luntz was on so I turned it back off.
backwoods conservative on September 29, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Those who think that Bela is going to add stuff back in are probably correct but in my dreams I would like to have The Community Reinvestment Act repealed as a condition of passing the bail out. Oh, and again I want to win the lottery while we are talking about what I want.
Cindy Munford on September 29, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Yep, to all who said it before.
Pelosi wanted the bill to fail.
1. new bill will have democrat treats, slush funds, etc.
2. more pain for Bush/McCain and bad economic news is good for Obama.
Disgraceful.
aquaviva on September 29, 2008 at 8:43 PM
I did the same thing. Kerry on TV? Ah, shucks, the football game is on.
lorien1973 on September 29, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Days Later and No Answer from ‘Cash and Kerry’
Jeff Beatty to John Kerry: “What’s your answer? Will you give that money back?”
“The Kerry campaign did not say whether the senator is considering returning the campaign contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac employees.” (Jeremy Jacobs, Politickerma.com September 12, 2008)
Boston – Five days ago, U.S. Senate candidate Jeff Beatty condemned John Kerry and Barack Obama for being among the top recipients of campaign contributions from the lobbying efforts of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The takeover of these beleaguered mortgage giants is estimated to cost taxpayers in the US and Commonwealth over $200 billion. Jeff Beatty demanded that John Kerry give back to the taxpayers the $111,000 he received from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac PAC.
Jeff Beatty has this to say about John Kerry’s non-answer’ answer issued today: “Although John Kerry spends more time in Washington than Massachusetts, he obviously doesn’t make time to read the Washington Post. It was just today that a Post Op Ed reported that it was Christopher Dodd, Barack Obama and, yes, John Kerry who have blocked efforts to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. This over the objections of Congressional Republicans and the Administration. This is sad because John Kerry is giving the appearance that his vote and silence can be bought.
John Kerry’s clear pattern, refined over 24 inactive years, would be laughable if it weren’t costing taxpayers so much money and hardship. First he evades, then he blames everyone else, and then he smears those who ask legitimate questions about his record. Enough is enough. John Kerry, banks are open, Gulf Coast charities are open, the US government is still open. The people are waiting: Will you give back that money?”
TheBigOldDog on September 29, 2008 at 8:44 PM
I am still unable to email my representative. Server is still down.
Cindy Munford on September 29, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Bush should fire him.
Y-not on September 29, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Any bets the FBI investigation goes nowhere?
jewells45 on September 29, 2008 at 8:45 PM
That depends. I, for one, think the market will recover, since it will realize that with no handout imminent, the tools at hand, (FDIC, Fed window, low rates, and $630B pumped into the system today, will do just fine.
The market always is looking 6 months ahead, and cheap, cheap, cheap, bank assets right around the corner. All you have to do is figure out who is going to make it.
Starlink on September 29, 2008 at 8:45 PM
I would hope some GOP member in negotiatians would say, “OK, we might be on board if there’s a special prosecutor appointed to investigate FreddieMac and Fannie Mae. Any objections?”
Wethal on September 29, 2008 at 8:45 PM
Let’s assume this is correct. Republicans (Mccain especially) need to trump the bill by submitting their own bill that fixes the cause of the problem. And appeal to the people directly.
lorien1973 on September 29, 2008 at 8:45 PM
This is about a revolution to these revolutionaries bringing us to the edge of collapse. Deal or no deal, the issue has been corrupted and the solution sabotaged. They know the longer they wait and trick and blame the GOP, the more likely that next President will be their Dear Leader with coattails and emergency executive authority over Americans for years to come. It’s a “win-win” situation for devoted Democrats who yearn for Obama Economic Truth Squads to finally shut down talk radio.
econavenger on September 29, 2008 at 8:45 PM
You know what is interesting that you don’t see reported in by the lapdog MSM that has had a huge impact on the vote today?
………….. the Capitol phone system crashed, and keeps crashing as of last week by millions of Americans that don’t want to bailout bad politics, corrupt policies, and bankers who made hundreds of millions in bonuses while cooking the books and leaving the mess for the American people to clean up.
………….. they also have not reported on the full e-mail boxes, the millions of faxes, the title wave of hand written mail flooding the building.
……… and it hasn’t stopped. The American people see through this shame and if they are going to pay a single $0.10 to fix this, it will not be “politics as usual”.
Yeah, Blinky and Dusty have had all the air time that you can fit in a day, spewing and lying about what is going on, and the American people can see right through it.
……….. the next couple of days should be fun, keep up the pressure American, they have no choice but to listen.
Seven Percent Solution on September 29, 2008 at 8:45 PM
So let’s see, Obama played with the troop withdrawal timeline in Iraq for political gain and now Pelosi and the Congressional Democrats are playing with our ECONOMY for political gain.
Wouldn’t be surprising.
carbon_footprint on September 29, 2008 at 8:46 PM
The bill was dead before Nitwit Nancy and her cohorts got ugly on the floor.
This was all stagecraft. Otherwise we are forced to believe that a Speaker of the House brought a bill to the floor, the most important in her carreer, not knowing the outcome. That is not how the House is run.
patrick neid on September 29, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Yep, to all who said it before.
Pelosi wanted the bill to fail.
1. new bill will have democrat treats, slush funds, etc.
2. more pain for Bush/McCain and bad economic news is good for Obama.
Disgraceful.
aquaviva on September 29, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Well, if that is true….and I think it may very well be true, then how STUPID were the repubs for voting the thing down on a 2-1 basis. Are you telling me that NANCY PELOSI is SMARTER than 50% of the Repubs? If so, then the country is toast….and it looks like you are right.
Nancy Pelosi: 1
50% of House Repubs: 0
Roger Waters on September 29, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Was listening to Hugh Hewitt on the way home. He was pressing this view as well.
We may be living through something akin to a coup. The defecrats wanted this to fail in order to destroy the economy to usher in the USSA this November. They could have passed this without the Republicans and it only helps the chosen one and them.
Adjust my tinfoil hat or prepare to take up arms?
BowHuntingTexas on September 29, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Here’s what MY representative (a Democrat) said in voting against the bailout:
“We are now in the golden age of thieves. And where I come from we put thieves in jail, we don’t bail them out.” — Rep. Pete Visclosky, Democrat.
Needles to say, I’ve written to thank him for voting his conscience instead of party.
alwyr on September 29, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Would it have killed O’Reilly to mention the CRA in that segment?
CanadianGuy on September 29, 2008 at 8:47 PM
I say we DO NOT vote for this and let them hang on it! Why should our guys have to lose their elections for this piece of crap? Of course they are going to rework a bill but they had better make sure it goes under a microscope!
I HATE, HATE, HATE JOHN F’ING KERRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF anyone from the McCain camp is reading anything on HotAir please get this through your thick skulls, THEY ARE SELLING YOUR ASS DOWN THE RIVER!!!!!!!! You people have got to get your shit together because they are tagging you and the Republicans right and left and it is TIME TO MAKE THEM FAMOUS!!!!!!!!!!!! Including that PISSANT running against you!!!!!!!!!!!! I need a drink!
freeus on September 29, 2008 at 8:47 PM
HA! Like he give’s a rats ass. Here’s a synopsis of his speech on the economy once he’s in office: “Uh my fellow Amer… Ladies and gentlemen: George W Bush, Republican’s were in power, George W Bush, Karl Rove and George W Bush. Thank you.”
Dash on September 29, 2008 at 8:48 PM
And might I add O’Reilly is a TOOOLLLL!!!!!! for allowing Kerry to run on and on like that! Does he think he is God? Every single time he is on he keeps saying people have to come on his show and HE will get things straightened out. WHAT? Is he smoking crack? IS he high every night he is doing his show? IS anyone in the U.S. higher on themselves as he is?
freeus on September 29, 2008 at 8:50 PM
I think that Pelosi was allowing some members of the Dem party to vote nay for a reason.
Anyone want to do the grunt work comparing who voted “nay” for the Dems vs. who is up for re-election this cycle? I’m
betting there is a strong correlation…if so, there would be strong circumstancial evidence that it was all a ploy to lay the blame at the (R) feet and gain for the party.
Geministorm on September 29, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Oh my. The possibilities here. I must resist.
MB4 on September 29, 2008 at 8:50 PM
That dirt bag Pelosi is using the American people as pawns in her selfish political game. Is there anyone in the Republican Party with balls enough to call her out?
rplat on September 29, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Now if you were THE ROGER WATERS, I could write your blathering, inane, idiotic posts off to drugs..
So what is your excuse…other than being a SmAkTard cheesedick troll I mean…
BigWyo on September 29, 2008 at 8:51 PM
I don’t know, my problem with O’Reilly was he didn’t call out Kerry on his own partisanship. More than that, Lurch just ignored the question about the call by Republicans for more regulations in 2004. He let him get away with a lot of spin.
Still, the thing that pisses me off most, is this dog & pony show in DC is all about getting Obama elected.
dugan on September 29, 2008 at 8:51 PM
The Emperor(Pelosi): Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design. Your friends, up there on the sanctuary moon, are walking into a trap, as is your Rebel fleet. It was *I* who allowed the Alliance to know the location of the shield generator. It is quite safe from your pitiful little band. An entire legion of my best troops awaits them. Oh, I’m afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive.”
A little gallows humor never hurts
Pelosi = ugly asz Sith Lord
Kajonnes on September 29, 2008 at 8:51 PM
If the folks holding the $60 trillion in credit default swaps start having to pay up, that $630 billion will be like trying to piss on a forest fire. That is what they are trying to stop (without telling us that). They won’t even tell us who those folks are.
CC
CapedConservative on September 29, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Here’s what Pelosi is stalling and yo-yo-ing the American people for:
The risk of a total systemic meltdown is now as high as ever by Nouriel Roubini
econavenger on September 29, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Heck, maybe I’ll vote Obama. He appears to be too stupid to enact socialism.
Safe bet, Obama ‘08!!!
VolMagic on September 29, 2008 at 8:53 PM
” HATE, HATE, HATE JOHN F’ING KERRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF anyone from the McCain camp is reading anything on HotAir please get this through your thick skulls, THEY ARE SELLING YOUR ASS DOWN THE RIVER!!!!!!!! You people have got to get your shit together because they are tagging you and the Republicans right and left and it is TIME TO MAKE THEM FAMOUS!!!!!!!!!!!! Including that PISSANT running against you!!!!!!!!!!!! I need a drink!
freeus on September 29, 2008 at 8:47 PM”
I also hate Lurch. But, of course you have to blame the repubs and their leaders (Bush, McCain, Boener, etc.). I mean the repubs voted this bill down on a 2 to 1 basis while the Dems voted for it (the majority of them did at least). If the Repubs were as smart as the Dems, they also would have voted for the bill and the market would have gone up today and, most imporantly, the credit markets would have reacted wonderfully.
I am a republican but, unlike many of the posters here, I am not stupid. The dems voted “Yay” the Repubs voted “nay”.
So who in the F are you going to blame? For hells sake people…dont be stupid.
Roger Waters on September 29, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Democrats – Congenital underachievers.
darkpixel on September 29, 2008 at 8:53 PM
ding, ding, ding! we have a winner!
funky chicken on September 29, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Exactly. She even managed to call republicans unpatriotic for not participating in a sham meeting they were not invited to.
Topsecretk9 on September 29, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Up for re-election in November???
BigWyo on September 29, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Actually I heard this as being fact on either Rush or Hannity today.
carbon_footprint on September 29, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Bill O’Reilly is a fraud. He got his clock cleaned in Lehman and Merrill Lynch and he blames…. Bush! No Sh!t he blamed Bush for not telling him not to buy stock in those firms. The man is out of his mind.
TheBigOldDog on September 29, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Geministorm on September 29, 2008 at 8:50 PM
every member of the house of representatives is up for reelection this year
funky chicken on September 29, 2008 at 8:55 PM
So the people voting NO were voting that way to protect vulnerable seats, and the group that voted MAJORITY YES is the one to win?
What a stupid idea. That is literally the stupidest thing I have ever read. Ever.
VolMagic on September 29, 2008 at 8:55 PM
“BigWyo on September 29, 2008 at 8:51 PM”
Hey dude, if you dont have anything of substance to say, shut the hell up. All you did was call me a name.
If we were in person, and you called me that, I would do to your pathetic ASS what my football team did to your football team’s gay ass Saturday before last…I believe you guys got 0 points and we had something like 40 because we pulled all of our starters in the 3rd quarter.
So, shut your ass, fool.
Roger Waters on September 29, 2008 at 8:55 PM
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