Bailout deal reached; Update: ACORN, other pork removed
posted at 10:24 am on September 28, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Negotiators on Capitol Hill finally reached an agreement on a sweeping bailout of the financial sector by the Treasury early this morning, attempting to head off bank runs and panics around the world when the Asian markets open tonight. The plan includes options for asset insurance that House Republicans demanded, as well as broad accountability for actions taken by Treasury in purchasing assets. The deal also allows a wider group of banks to rid themselves of the toxic assets, created in large part by Congress over the last ten years:
A summary of the tentative agreement released by Ms. Pelosi’s office said the plan “gives taxpayers an ownership stake and profit-making opportunities with participating companies; puts taxpayers first in line to recover assets if a participating company fails; (and) guarantees taxpayers are repaid in full — if other protections have not actually produced a profit.” (See Ms. Pelosi’s summary.)
Additionally, the summary said the legislation will expand the range of firms that can sell troubled assets to the government to include pension plans, local governments and community banks serving “low- and middle-income families.” …
The summary issued by Ms. Pelosi’s office said the legislation will include provisions giving Treasury the ability to work with cash-strapped homeowners whose mortgages are purchased by the federal government to refinance into a more affordable mortgage. Other foreclosure-prevention measures included in the agreement are an extension of the tax holiday for homeowners who face foreclosure, as well as a tax break for community banks who held shares of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The rescue plan will allow affected banks to take an immediate tax deduction on losses from investments in the two firms, which were taken over by the federal government earlier this month.
Lawmakers also included provisions allowing them to keep a close eye on the Treasury program, including a bipartisan oversight board appointed by members of both parties in Congress, an inspector general to monitor Treasury decisions, and regular audits from the Government Accountability Office. Additionally, Treasury will be required to make transactions made through the troubled asset program available publicly online. Unlike the original Treasury proposal, which would have given the department legal immunity in the program, the tentative agreement reached late Saturday allows for judicial review of Treasury decisions.
This looks like the rare occasion when Congress manages to improve an idea. The original Paulson plan would have imposed immunity from legal action on any moves made by the Treasury, exactly the wrong direction for a crisis already caused by unchecked government manipulation. In the new plan, Treasury officials have accountability for their management of the $700 billion plan.
The new agreement may have made the plan larger, but the politics of this probably required it. In the original Paulson plan, the bailout focused solely on the institutions choking on the government-mandated Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS) and credit swaps based on them. Congress broadened this to give more direct relief to homeowners facing foreclosure and eviction. While more painful in the short run, it will probably make the economy more stable in the long run, and give the securities the Treasury buys more value, as foreclosures are a severe loss for the lenders. If we can keep people in the homes and help them to pay back the mortgages, we may not lose much money at all over the next 25 years.
Some will complain that this will bail out foreign institutions as well as American banks. That is the result of the government’s creation and sale of MBSs as investment products to people around the world. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac sold MBSs to anyone who would buy them, and both Americans and foreigners bought them with the implicit backing of the US government. Congress made that grave error in the 1990s and created an entire class of junk bonds worse than anything seen in the 1980s, although with some handholding, we may get to see value out of them yet.
This will still be a painful lesson for us about government manipulation of markets. We will have to tighten belts and cut spending to pay for the initial outlay from this bailout, and we still have another financial crisis coming on entitlements to resolve. However, this agreement — as painful as it is — will probably make the difference between a recession and a global collapse. Those of us with market assets will almost certainly not have to worry about Monday, and the possibility of watching them get wiped them out in a panic.
After this, we need to demand humility from Congress on economic policy. Government-imposed “fairness” led to this catastrophe, and we’ll pay the price for the Community Reinvestment Act and the manipulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for a generation. Had we allowed the market to work normally, this never would have happened.
Update: The funding of the Housing Trust Fund, the slush fund that feeds ACORN and La Raza, is out. You can thank House Republicans for enough obstructionism to get that result. Other changes made to the final version of the bailout, according to a source on the Hill, were the removal of several provisions:
- Provision to provide unions and other activist groups with proxy access for corporate boards
- Provision to mandate shareholder votes on compensation issues (union priority)
- Diversion of funds into a housing fund to support left-wing activist groups like ACORN
- A provision to allow trial judges to arbitrarily adjust mortgages, creating bonanza for trial lawyers
- A provision to require the government to sell to state and local governments at a discount homes the government acquires as a result of foreclosure
It also suspends mark-to-market rules and requires a study on their effects on the collapse.
Update II: Just to clarify, the bullet points are items removed from the plan. Sorry; it was very unclear.
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good for them…that means all of Pelosi’s screaming that they better line up behind her, or they are unpatriotic had no effect
unpatriotic, snort
funky chicken on September 28, 2008 at 11:31 AM
I don’t get it. Are thise in, or out?
Like I said before, craptastic!
DannoJyd on September 28, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Out, sorry. I made that very unclear, and I’ve updated the post.
Ed Morrissey on September 28, 2008 at 11:32 AM
I sent an email to Ed asking him to clarify this. Several people (myself included) are unsure.
IrishEi on September 28, 2008 at 11:32 AM
I read the article, and it is not as bad as it could have been. For one thing, all the money does not go out up front, about half does and the rest only on further Congressional action.
From the WSJ article Ed linked to:
She found middle ground on a plan to allow the federal government to recoup money for taxpayers if the asset-purchase program isn’t making money after a certain amount of time. A House leadership aide said early Sunday morning that details were not immediately available. But the general concept was to provide Congress with a mechanism that would be triggered perhaps within five years to allow lawmakers to offset some, if not all, of the bailout costs.
Offers and counteroffers were flowing back and forth all night. Among the offers extended by Democrats: an agreement to drop a proposal to devote 20% of potential profits to an affordable housing fund, according to a Senate staffer close to the talks.
A House staffer reached after the deal announcement was made confirmed that lawmakers did decide to drop the affordable housing fund proposals, which would have potentially directed billions to state and local governments to fund housing projects.
One of the biggest sticking points involved concerns that executives at troubled financial institutions would wind up benefiting with handsome pay packages as the government took on more risks. But Democrats emerging from the talks said a whole array of issues related to executive pay had been addressed, including issues involving “golden parachutes,” the big pay packages that are sometimes awarded to departing executives.
Sen. Dodd told reporters that protections against golden parachute awards had made it into the final deal, along with an insurance component sought by House Republicans as an option for the Treasury to use if necessary and requirements that Treasury seek to mitigate and reduce foreclosures where possible.
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 11:32 AM
McCain needs to hold a press conference and say:
Frank and Dodd were at the center of this. Them being there is like relying on OJ Simpson to find the real killers.
lorien1973 on September 28, 2008 at 11:33 AM
Oh, how I wish that were true, BUT sadly, people still continue to buy the spin. I spent two hours on the phone with my mother, a democrat, trying to explain how we got to this point. She kept saying the republicans had just as much of a hand in all of this. I layed out fact after fact and she just meekly replied, “well, I don’t know about that”. It’s maddening!
She insists she’s not voting for Obama, but she still can’t listen to anything negative about her precious democrats. She started extolling the virtues of the Clintons and I told her there are many bad things about the Clintons she doesn’t know about and her response- she doesn’t want to know about them.
alwaysright43 on September 28, 2008 at 11:33 AM
Danno:
They are out.
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 11:33 AM
Worth a second post, gh. This is from KLo at NRO.
Weight of Glory on September 28, 2008 at 11:33 AM
Cool! At least that much.
America has to be right 100% of the time, terrorists only have to be right once.
Here’s five times domestic terrorists are being successful.
Speakup on September 28, 2008 at 11:35 AM
And the canckles…lol
IrishEi on September 28, 2008 at 11:27 AM
HornetSting on September 28, 2008 at 11:36 AM
Why assume that’s good? Supposing they only take some of the bad debts off of some of the banks’ books. Then we’d still have to worry about where our money is deposited, and other institutions still have to worry about whether or not to conduct business with each other.
It’s not at all clear that a “partial” solution in a step-wise fashion is superior. That’s what debates are for–to get info. Maybe they’re right? Who knows?
JiangxiDad on September 28, 2008 at 11:36 AM
So, the FED can get directly involved in forcing contract negotiations between private parties… and some homeowners will get “Tax Holidays”…
Wow. So, the gov can retroactivly redo contracts on private property…
And how does the second part fit under the “Equal protection” clause?
I see a LOT of lawsuits coming.
Romeo13 on September 28, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Well, if none of the pundits question her, or mock the crap out of her ridiculous assertions, um, I guess you can’t blame Obama supporters for doing what has worked for them for 2 years now. Lie, create the myth of The One as miracle worker, etc.
funky chicken on September 28, 2008 at 11:37 AM
All you need to know is that if the people who made this mess are happy; then you shouldn’t be.
lorien1973 on September 28, 2008 at 11:37 AM
No. Watering…refreshing, to be more precise. Google the words “tree of liberty” and “Jefferson.”
ManlyRash on September 28, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Ed, I realize it’s been a long weekend, but you need to lay off the bottle. :)
Seriously, what will happen is that Frank will blame the Republicans, Dodd will start looking for another waitress sandwich, and Nancy will preen before the cameras like she’s in Sunset Boulevard, all the while repeating that she did it “for the children.”
The only solution is to reduce these schmucks to such a minority in Congress that they can never make a mess like this again.
irishspy on September 28, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Thank you, Ed.
I’m certain this bailout bill remains craptastic at best. :oP
DannoJyd on September 28, 2008 at 11:38 AM
lorien:
It might be better to just complain about the policy in general. I mean there were honest to God thieves in all this, like Frank Raines, but the real problem was an overall policy designed to help people purchase homes without putting equity into them up front. And a lot of people liked that idea for a long time. I think they should make sure no laws were broken, but the truth is it was the programs themselves that were the problem.
So going after the programs might be the way to go. Explain to people how this came about. It should then become obvious who was responsible.
Read the whole article, it was kind of nauseating with all the Pelosi crap in it, but there were references to steps being taken to try and stop this from happening again.
But more pressure never hurts.
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 11:38 AM
irishspy:
That would be nice. The Democrats should be in a majority. The Republicans might not be right all the time, but look at the difference in the last two years since these bozos took over.
Nonetheless, this bill might the best we could hope for. It beats the Depression, massive job losses, pension plans gone, bank runs..etc.
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Excuse me! I should use preview I meant to say the Democrats should not be in a majority.
whew! I must be slipping.
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Oh, you mean like the $1 trillion watering Wall Street has gotten this summer. With all due respect to Jefferson and the “tree of liberty,” the only way to refresh and rejuvenate a tree is to prune out the dead wood and reduce the “crown.” I think that is more than apt here.
genso on September 28, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Bishop:
That was what I was saying. People might think that no one wants this thing, but if it saves the day in the end politicians like Obama will claim credit.
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 11:44 AM
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHGGGGGG BAAAAAAAAARRRFF! EFF YOU OLOSER!
Get this:
WASHINGTON — Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama said Sunday his Republican rival deserves no credit for helping to forge a tentative agreement on the $700 billion bailout of Wall Street.
Instead, Obama said he deserves credit for making sure the proposal includes safeguards for taxpayers. Obama said he is inclined to support the bailout because it includes increased oversight, relief for homeowners facing foreclosure and limits on executive compensation for chief executives of firms that receive government help.
“None of those were in the president’s provisions. They are identical to the things I called for the day that (Treasury) Secretary (Henry) Paulson released his package,” Obama said. “That I think is an indication of the degree to which when it comes to protecting taxpayers, I was pushing very hard and involved in shaping those provisions.”
Bishop on September 28, 2008 at 11:45 AM
It’s official: I HATE Oloser, and such emotions don’t come to me easily.
Bishop on September 28, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Sounds like this is about as good as could be expected, and I’m very happy they dropped the ACORN slush fund. Looking on the bright side, we’ve avoided economic collapse and won the war in Iraq, so what’s losing a presidential election by comparison?
Dudley Smith on September 28, 2008 at 11:46 AM
“Here are the facts: For two weeks I was on the phone everyday with Secretary Paulson and the congressional leaders making sure that the principles that have been ultimately adopted were incorporated in the bill,” Obama said.
You LYING sack of shit. WTF…this fool could be POTUS?
Bishop on September 28, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Only Fox has done this. Everyone else is claiming the problem as de-regulation. Now, let’s think about this. that de-regulation is to blame. Doesn’t it naturally follow that every problem in the future is going to be blamed on de-regulation (and they’ll say, just like the housing mess) in an effort to consolidate more power in Washington?
Of course. What this bill ushers in, is a new period of Washington control over this economy. They have the template. The evil monster of de-regulation and greed. When the probably really stems from government’s social engineering.
So, long term (say starting January when Obama is elected – and don’t doubt he’s going to win), you’ll see a huge push for healthcare first (de-regulation is the the problem, don’t ya know? The crisis is approaching the housing crisis, don’t ya know?)
This is the first step into socialism. Say hello to it. Free markets, as we know them, are dead.
lorien1973 on September 28, 2008 at 11:49 AM
While this is a good thing this plan remains terrible as it does not put our resources to work. My plan does, and works towards solvoing our 2 biggest problems. :oD
DannoJyd on September 28, 2008 at 11:50 AM
McCain didn’t make the statement. Obama did first. He claims credit. Congrats McCain. He made a fool out of himself my halting his campaign. Obama looks cool and collected and with a phone call fixes the problem. How can you not for vote him?
lorien1973 on September 28, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Dudley, I’m directing this at me as much as you. They have thrown us a bone and forced us to eat crap. If we accept this kind of thing as “the best that can be hoped for,” then we become “useful idiots” and they have won much more than an election.
genso on September 28, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Somebody PLEASE get me a barfbag….has MSNBC and CNN begun trumpting this to the heavens?
HornetSting on September 28, 2008 at 11:56 AM
lorien1973, I will be happy to give Obama all of the credit[?] for this craptastic piece of legislation as it is certain America will not like it, it will prove to be another disaster, and we can now yolk Obama with a TRILLION dollars worth of budget deficit.
DannoJyd on September 28, 2008 at 11:56 AM
I guess we must bail out the corporations and their corrupt obscene CEOs before the FBI gets too far in their investigation.
harpman on September 28, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Wait for the spin and an obedient media. 70% will support the plan 3 days. Obama will have credit for its passage.
This was shaping up to be a close election; now it’s going to be a total wipeout.
lorien1973 on September 28, 2008 at 11:58 AM
Vote Fraud America
electric-rascal on September 28, 2008 at 11:59 AM
People will like it because those that are willing to vote for the messiah will believe ANYTHING! And they will put down their Rainbow/Push signs against the bailout and call on Washington with their HANDS OUT for their chunk of the change…on the backs of taxpaying Americans.
HornetSting on September 28, 2008 at 11:59 AM
He started saying that at campaign stops on Saturday, early in the day.
It’s just a continuation of his behavior in the democrat primary–shamelessly steal any good ideas Hillary presented, and say they were his ideas originally. Like I said, he’s gotten away with it for 2 years now. Why on earth would he stop?
The fact that there may be a shred of truth to the thing about none of the taxpayer provisions being in the original Bush-Paulson-Pelosi-Reid proposal bothers me more than the fact that Obamassiah is lying his ass off about his “contribution” to be honest.
But that’s only because I still have some expectation of decency from the Bush administration.
funky chicken on September 28, 2008 at 12:03 PM
lorien1973 and HornetSting, there is no way that Americans will be happy about this TRILLION DOLLARS waste of tax payer monies, nor about the addition of this debt to an already way too high national debt.
Heck, over 50% of Americans don’t like it.
DannoJyd on September 28, 2008 at 12:04 PM
Oh, and if nobody videotaped the meeting on Thursday/Friday where Bambi lost his mind and hollered at people for insisting on exactly the stuff he now claims was all his idea….and Bush and Paulson, who were the top dogs at that meeting aren’t willing to publicly shame the guy for lying out his *ss, well, he’s probably going to get away with it again.
funky chicken on September 28, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Sure, now they don’t. Wait a few days.
A compliant media can make magic happen.
lorien1973 on September 28, 2008 at 12:06 PM
And there’s the political wildcard. Obama is now going full court press saying that this bailout is his baby. Obama needs blue collar votes to win swing states. Blue collar people don’t like this deal.
I see political danger here for Obama, if the GOP can figure out how to capitalize on it.
funky chicken on September 28, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Is it just me or the republicans always have a delayed reaction and let the democrats seize and dictate the narrative. This has always made me crazy about Bush, he waits until the lie has had enough time to take root in public opinion before he defends himself. Perception is reality and the democrats make sure they gain the upper hand with their proactive rapid response propaganda machine.
neuquenguy on September 28, 2008 at 12:08 PM
That would have made new mortgage interest rates nearly as high as credit card rates. Think about it for a moment, and you’ll realize why. It is only the confidence that the contract is binding, with the house as collateral should the debtor default on it, that differentiates the risk to the creditor in the two types of loan.
Every time government interferes into private transactions to try to “help” one class of party, they necessarily introduce adjustments that negate that help in order to re-balance the transactions. And since that “help” is valued less by the party being “helped” than its expected cost to the other party being forced to pay for it, it reduces the net value of the transaction to the two parties, which means that sometimes there just won’t be a deal made at all.
The Monster on September 28, 2008 at 12:08 PM
Loren, it would take a miracle from God to get Americans to swallow One TRILLION DOLLARS worth of debt, and there are other solutions that make much more sense. :o)
DannoJyd on September 28, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Republicans are terrible at playing the media game. Awful at it. Always have been. Always will.
It helps that the media doesn’t hold them accountable to what they say or do. Like last week Pelosi was going to go home and let the problem resolve itself. Reid said no one knows what to do. Today, they are financial geniuses?
Frank/Dodd somehow, as told by the media, are forces for good here? And, if you watch the news, they had no part to play in the original situation.
It’s Orwellian.
lorien1973 on September 28, 2008 at 12:10 PM
IF McCain is elected, is there any way they can go back and revisit this?
freeus on September 28, 2008 at 12:10 PM
It just depends on how the MSM spins it.
This morning, the dems were saying this was “Bush’s Bailout”.
Apparently, the talking points have changed and Obama is taking credit for the “new and improved” bailout.
You decide. Will the MSM allow the this debacle to be sold as a turkey if the messiah is behind it? Think not.
HornetSting on September 28, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Spot on, but it won’t take the republicans to capitalize on this. The media works overtime to spread gloom and doom. :o)
DannoJyd on September 28, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Just remember. At 12pm Sunday, I told you what was going to happen. Wait for it. I’m not asking for you to believe me now. Give it time though. 70% will support the plan by Wednesday.
lorien1973 on September 28, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Absolutely, Funky!
HornetSting on September 28, 2008 at 12:13 PM
The Democrats do love eminent domain, don’t they?
unclesmrgol on September 28, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Ugghhhh! Any time you see harry reid smiling like that, you know something bad is happening.
ErinF on September 28, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Absolutely. The market will rally over this and provide all the cover the Dems need to turn public opinion.
genso on September 28, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Nope, delayed reactions or no reaction by Repubs. They need to grow a pair and go after the lying, cheating Dems.
HornetSting on September 28, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Wonderful!
These inept jackasses damn near break the country with their stupid policies and behavior then expect us to reward them for their idiocy. I must be missing something here.
rplat on September 28, 2008 at 12:15 PM
No, just an Obamasiah to sell it.
HornetSting on September 28, 2008 at 12:16 PM
McCain can do it in the next debate if he will. He needs to get specific, establish sequence of causation, name names and make them famous like he promised. If he is unwilling to do that, he will lose. He needs to swing for the fences and tap into that anger. He’s still treating this thing like a fraternity gig.
a capella on September 28, 2008 at 12:16 PM
I agree and, honestly, I don’t see what they have to lose. They are getting hosed every 5 minutes on Fox, God knows how bad it is on the other networks.
genso on September 28, 2008 at 12:16 PM
And, dammit, they need to name freakin’ names! Why the hell is Mushmouth still the chair of the committee? He should be hanging for his dirty dealings.
ErinF on September 28, 2008 at 12:17 PM
If republicans had the political savvy (and MSM backup) of the democrats they could really exploit this: “Look at what the Democrats wanted to do, thanks to the Republicans who courageously defended the interests of the American people, these provisions have been dropped, this is just one more example of the CULTURE OF CRONYISM in the Democratic party”
neuquenguy on September 28, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Frank/Dodd somehow, as told by the media, are forces for good here? And, if you watch the news, they had no part to play in the original situation.
It’s Orwellian.
lorien1973 on September 28, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Yah, coupled with Oloser’s attempt to muzzle criticism about him everywhere he goes, the situation is getting more than a little creepy.
The “Obabo can do no wrong” narrative is going to become a full-throated roar now, with a smiling Baracky spreading his arms so as to provide leadership and comfort to a troubled nation.
Dear Leader, version 3.0 (region one).
Bishop on September 28, 2008 at 12:18 PM
And your idiotic proposal isn’t one of them.
ManlyRash on September 28, 2008 at 12:19 PM
The Democrat majority leaders should be swinging like Mussolini in the town square.
bloviator on September 28, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Prepare to be disappointed. He needs to strike now!
HornetSting on September 28, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Perhaps you’re right. If so, McCain will have no choice but to come out and lay blame and call people out. If he chooses not to do that, and allows Obama and the Dems to claim unopposed that right is on their side, then he deserves to be the loser. Right? People back the stronger horse.
JiangxiDad on September 28, 2008 at 12:21 PM
JiangX:
You say why assume it is good that only half the money is up front? Why assume it is bad?
I don’t want to see a financial market meltdown and I am more than a little surprised that some people seem downright disappointed that one might have been averted.
It is like dealing with people who are just sure that Bush was behind 9/11. No matter what you tell them, they smell a rat.
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Yes – just as I predicted they would. Expect the clamor to grow in volume throughout the Drive-By media over the next 5 days.
ManlyRash on September 28, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Oh but then there was no market crisis was there? It was all part of a plot that tens of thousands of people from all over the world were part of.
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 12:22 PM
He will not.
He thinks he’s scoring points by reaching across the aisle to these morons, and he will not say a bad word against any of them–ever.
And don’t forget he thinks Andrew Cuomo would make a great Chairman of the SEC.
*spit*
IrishEi on September 28, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Then you don’t see the big picture of creeping socialism.
genso on September 28, 2008 at 12:23 PM
I thought people would be glad the ACORN stuff was out and the insurance provisions were in. Why demand that the Congressional Republicans be part of the negotiations if all we are going to do is complain that there is a deal?
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 12:24 PM
No, I mean like “a little revolution.” (Google that phrase along with Jefferson’s name)Hence: blood of tyrants and patriots.
It isn’t, and your ham-handed attempt at metaphor doos no justice to Thomas Jefferson, but only detracts from his point.
With all due respect.
ManlyRash on September 28, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Yeah. I’m pretty stunned that investors in failing companies are pissed they are going under too.
Ask yourself, if these companies that were failing did not donate millions of dollars to congress, would there have been a crisis at all?
lorien1973 on September 28, 2008 at 12:26 PM
So what about the Community Reinvestment Act that caused this whole mess? Have they voted to strike it down?
Nethicus on September 28, 2008 at 12:26 PM
BS you’ve been calling every issue that popped up over the last 2 months as the one that would defeat McCain.
Just because Obama is still being Obama doesn’t mean that McCain made a fool of himself by suspending his campaign to actually go to DC and, well, do the job he’s being paid for. And I see an ad here–Obama goes to one meeting on Thursday and loses his sh*t, then runs out of town early Friday morning. After the debate Obama goes out on the campaign trail, McCain goes back to DC to work on this thing.
But somehow it’s Obama, just through the lingering effects of his magical aura from having been in DC in Thursday who constructed the compromise bill?
I think the ad team that gave us “Celebrity” and “The One” could have quite a bit of fun with this….
and if the house GOP guys want to do something good for McCain since he really was the one who spent political capital to get their ideas heard and included, now is the time for them to step up and say so, loud and proud
funky chicken on September 28, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Terrye,
I think people here made it clear that they never wanted a bailout at all. The ACORN slush fund it just added fuel to that fire. Having that provision stricken is small recompense.
IrishEi on September 28, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Hey, don’t jump off the building yet, Ed gave us an early Christmas present. Rezko.
HornetSting on September 28, 2008 at 12:27 PM
genso:
That is insane. It really is. I bet there were people saying the same thing to Hoover. And how did that work out? We got the New Deal.
This is why Republicans lose on economics. When faced with the choice of doing nothing and risking an economic meltdown that could cause widespread economic loss to millions of Americans and sticking with some self righteous and stubborn concept that anything they don’t like is creeping socialism…they pick going with the economic collapse.
You do not know how this will work and yet you have already decided that is socialism. I don’t like Pelosi and Dodd either. I would not vote for them under any circumstance, but they won the midterms, they are the majority and we are stuck with that for now.
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Isn’t it time McCain started making some noise? He’s awfully quiet now and getting trounced by Bambi’s PR machine.
McCain needs to come out with force and say this deal is bad for Americans. Without changes in FM/FM and the CRA (?) act, plus accountability/investigations there is no deal. Republicans must vote against it to protect the tax-payers. No Deal!
I also think McCain desperately needs to pick up his campaign now. Three things he should do right now:
1) No deal on the Bailout – explain clearly how we got here and what we need to do instead of this Bailout.
2) Use Energy as a means to save our economy. Drill everywhere, including ANWR – the economy must be Priority #1! Go big on nuclear, offshore drilling, new refineries and research on new energies. Keep $700 Billion a year in America and create thousands of new jobs across the country.
3) Take Amnesty off the table and save Billions in future costs. America can no longer afford it and McCain must accept that fact and use it to win this election.
Using these three points, where he is on the right side of opinion polls (and they are right for America), he has a fighting chance to win this election yet.
rigdown on September 28, 2008 at 12:30 PM
lorien wants McCain to lose, and ManlyRash wants civil war.
thus no room to appreciate that we were going to get a huge package out of congress, and McCain and the house republicans did good work making the package less bad….significantly less bad
funky chicken on September 28, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Terrye. You are the one earlier who said it was good that half the money is up-front. I simply asked why you think so. I haven’t seen an explanation of why it’s better, or worse.
I’m asking questions is all. I do understand, however, that not many answers will be forthcoming. Just killing some time being a pawn.
JiangxiDad on September 28, 2008 at 12:30 PM
With all due respect, if you have a better alternative to this that wouldn’t put more America more in debt please do share.
Government isn’t the answer. It is the problem. :oP
DannoJyd on September 28, 2008 at 12:31 PM
More like 2-3 weeks, because of McCain’s lack of aggression.
Uh. Take a step back and look at this. McCain suspends his campaign, runs to Washington. Obama keeps campaigning. And with a single phone call, solves the problem – that’s how he and the media are spinning it. And it’ll work.
Let’s say republicans do come out and thank McCain for all his help. The republican brand is not very good this year, so it’s not going to go very far or help at all.
You really need to take a step back and see how McCain’s moderateness and inability to articulate a coherent small government, free market, solution cost him all the initiative here.
I’m going back to saying this election is gonna be epic.
I’d be surprised if the republicans keep 40 seats in the senate.
That bad.
lorien1973 on September 28, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Irish:
Some of them did make it clear. What they did not make clear is the frigging alternative to a bail out. They act as if that is just some lame threat that the commies came up with so that they could talk them into giving up all their property to the People’s Republic.
If they want a depression to start weeks before a presidential complete with a major market meltdown…all of which will virtually guarantee an Obama victory..then they should say so.
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Yes, they do. The election will turn on this issue because Obama will create and embellish his role. If McCain spends his energy and capital trying to outdo Obama on who was most involved, he’s done. People want to know who was responsible for the mess and assurance it won’t happen again. Spelled out in specific terms, not generalities.
a capella on September 28, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Rezko…who will assure the investigators that Obama had nothing to do with any criminal activity and was only an innocent babe in the woods who made an innocent error when he partnered in that cozy real estate deal? That Rezko?
ManlyRash on September 28, 2008 at 12:32 PM
lorein:
Obama is not afraid to support this bill, he does not think it will hurt him politically.
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 12:33 PM
If so, then McCain is finished. He is bound by his own bipartisan narrative and will not depart from the script to denounce the Democrats at this stage of the game.
ManlyRash on September 28, 2008 at 12:34 PM
With the compliant media why would he? He’s already claimed credit for the republican sponsored provisions.
lorien1973 on September 28, 2008 at 12:35 PM
One thing is for sure… there is now.
CC
CapedConservative on September 28, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 12:32 PM
We’re on the same page here. I just wish there was someone with the knowledge and authority I could respect to explain all the pros and cons and do so HONESTLY.
Like Thomas Sowell maybe.
IrishEi on September 28, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Danno:
If the depression comes, the government will be the only show in town. It will give them more power, not less. It is always that way. Pretending there is not a problem because you do not like the idea of having to deal with it does not change that.
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 12:36 PM
LOL. If McCain wants to credit the Dems for “bipartisan” purposes, who am I to argue? Good job Dems!
JiangxiDad on September 28, 2008 at 12:37 PM
That would be nice, but most people are stuck on stupid-they wouldn’t comprehend it.
They are only against it because those “damn republicans” are going to give their fat cat buddies on Wall Street a bailout.
The MSM/Dem PR machine has been working overtime.
HornetSting on September 28, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Irish:
I know, I do too.
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 12:37 PM
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