Video: Pelosi calls House GOP “unpatriotic”
posted at 9:21 pm on September 27, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Just the sort of rhetoric America needs to help these very delicate negotiations along. Compounding the nuance here is her reason for calling them unpatriotic: It’s not the fact that they’re holding out in the middle of a national emergency, it’s the fact that they neglected to show up for negotiations earlier in the week. Go ask Paul Kanjorski — Democrat Paul Kanjorski, who chairs the House Financial Services subcommittee on capital markets — whose fault that is. Then read Roll Call’s report about the Democrats sending eight negotiators to the table tonight when Paulson explicitly asked for two. We’re staring down the barrel of the worst disaster since Katrina or maybe even 9/11 and these people are playing douchebag psych-out games with each other. I can’t wait to see what this poll looks like next week.
The more I think about it, the more I have to believe Kristol’s wrong and things are (relatively) fine. They simply wouldn’t be jerking around this way if there really was an economic nuclear missile inbound. Click your ruby slippers together three times and repeat: They can’t be that stupid, they can’t be that stupid, they can’t be that stupid…
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OT: omg, watching SNL – it is BRUTAL.
JustTruth101 on September 27, 2008 at 11:40 PM
We are so screwed..McCain where are you.. this bill must not happen in its present form. remove Acorn, remove the 100% taxpayer bailout.
I would just anyone with a couple bucks to go short the market if this bill is passed in its present form after the relief rally. We are going down. Say hello to President Obama.
unseen on September 27, 2008 at 11:41 PM
OT: omg, watching SNL – it is BRUTAL.
JustTruth101 on September 27, 2008 at 11:40 PM
how so?
unseen on September 27, 2008 at 11:42 PM
lorien:
Maybe McCain is too busy to talk to reporters, maybe he is trying to get this thing done.
It is not like he has to run his itinerary past us all for our approval.
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 11:42 PM
Don’t disagree. However, if a man gives me his money to invest, i will take much more care of it than i would with my own money. Our “leaders” don’t seem to grasp that concept. Mistake or not, they don’t deserve to be in their positions.
genso on September 27, 2008 at 11:42 PM
How so?
lorien1973 on September 27, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Yeah, that’s what I think, too.
JustTruth101 on September 27, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Why watch that trash – nothing else to do tonight? No toenails to trim, lint trap to clean, dust bunnies to round up? I can think of 20 more pleasant ways to spend time than give it to SNL.
InTheBellyoftheBeast on September 27, 2008 at 11:43 PM
How so? I’m not watching it.
pugwriter on September 27, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Just got back from dinner with my dad. CPA, very successful Big 3 auto dealer. Here’s what he said:
1. liquidity crisis is real
2. it will take taxpayer dollars, but he reiterated that it will make the gvmt money in the long run
3. 700 billion is way too much money
4. Bush is a moron for letting his Goldman Sachs alumni convince him that it would cost 700 billion (Paulson and Bolton)
5. the sky will not fall if negotiations take until Tuesday or Wednesday, but it would be better if they get it done by Monday
interesting side note: WaMu failed because, in his words, they decided to become “the Wal-Mart of mortgage banks” and built lots of offices in “the ghetto” and made loans to people who could and would never pay them back. He said it was a terrible plan that was bound to fail, and (surprise!) it failed.
FWIW
funky chicken on September 27, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Yeah. It’s not like he’s running for president or anything.
A showcase of his leadership could be beneficial here. Maybe it’s just me who thinks that :/
lorien1973 on September 27, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Tina Fey is Palin, Amy Poe is Couric, they just recreated the interview. It’s hilarious and just so awful.
JustTruth101 on September 27, 2008 at 11:44 PM
I’d rather clean the grease trap at the local greasy spoon than watch SNL.
funky chicken on September 27, 2008 at 11:45 PM
gekkobear:
The profits are supposed to go to pay the National Debt. There are over 300 million of us out here, I doubt if they will ask us each to approve it.
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 11:45 PM
I see its back to “We’re all gonna die, Game Over man, Obacky is going to be President!”
You people REALLY need to take some Nyquil or something and climb into bed for a long sleep; this whining, sniveling pessimism is getting old.
Bishop on September 27, 2008 at 11:46 PM
I am a WAMU customer in the OC – California OC that is. The last time actually went in to a branch, the first person anyone spoke English to was me. The “daily” workers were all in there sending money south.
InTheBellyoftheBeast on September 27, 2008 at 11:46 PM
I always keep my eye on the enemy. That’s why I have CNN and MSNBC on from time to time as well…like now I have SNL on in the background.
JustTruth101 on September 27, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Isnt that the whole pint of this $700 billion, to bandaid and continue to perpetuate this crime against the American taxpayer?
paulsur on September 27, 2008 at 11:46 PM
I figured that was coming. I’m watching a special about the star nosed mole on NGC :P
lorien1973 on September 27, 2008 at 11:46 PM
I have not watched SNL for years.
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Steve Chapman: Once they have rescued the financial sector, maybe Henry Paulson and Ben Bernanke can answer the question that will eventually follow from this and other commitments: Who will rescue the federal government?
KentAllard on September 27, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Haven’t watched SNL since Buckwheat left. Am I in trouble again for saying that?
genso on September 27, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Nothing says they have to buy 700B. If the plan doesn’t give them enough dry powder and they have to go through congress again, they we go through all this idiocy again.
phronesis on September 27, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Yep, it sure is.
Congress has shown no willingness to fix the underlying causes. Till they do, this bailout is just a pay off for their special interest buddies and lobbyists.
lorien1973 on September 27, 2008 at 11:48 PM
lorien:
The man is not your pet poodle. He does not have to perform for you.
You are assuming that because he is not on TV running his mouth like those other gas bags that he is just sitting somewhere twiddling his thumbs.
I am just saying that he might be working.
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 11:48 PM
All I know is that in 5 weeks I get to vote on this bill. I will be voting NO in its present form by voting no for my present congress critters. I think it is time to clean house. I am so sick and tired of these idiots in Washington. bush is a moron. He lost the Congress because he could control his spending, he almost lost the war because he wouldn’t put enough troops in, now he is going to lose the economy because he doesn’t want to fight for free market principles because he wouldn’t even no where to begin. bush is and always has been a RINO and has done more to destroy Reagan than all the dems combined. I didn’t know the Bush family hated Reagan with such a passion.
unseen on September 27, 2008 at 11:49 PM
San Fran Nan just opened a can of worms that I believe will devour her and her fascist friends.
Calling someone’s patriotism into question? You gotta be kidding me.
RNCC, please run this ad:
I’m either orr and I strongly approve this message.
either orr on September 27, 2008 at 11:49 PM
couldn’t control spending.
unseen on September 27, 2008 at 11:49 PM
+1
funky chicken on September 27, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Reagan hated Bush1 and didn’t want him on the ticket.
genso on September 27, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Yep. How they can even entertain the thought that any less than 100% of any profit go back to the taxpayer [ie, pay off national debt] is unacceptable. 20% to ACORN just proves they have no plans on changing the way they do biz. It’s McCain-Palin or hello socialism.
JustTruth101 on September 27, 2008 at 11:51 PM
Not at all. I’m assuming he is doing something. Behind the scenes perhaps. If he is, wonderful.
But he’d get a lot more mileage from this if he’d be out in front of it, not behind the scenes.
If the Republican plan is passed – with a far smaller taxpayer exposure and McCain has been the head man, don’t you think he’d get benefit of that? Especially when contrasted against Obama out there campaigning instead of working on this.
lorien1973 on September 27, 2008 at 11:51 PM
lorien:
And people wonder why Republicans will get blamed if the deal dies. Look at what you said.
These are people’s jobs and pension plans and life savings that we could be talking about here.
I think that they do need to make changes and I would not be surprised if public outrage does not force investigations and reform, but this bill is not about that. That is not its purpose.
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 11:51 PM
either orr on September 27, 2008 at 11:49 PM
DUDE
+100
funky chicken on September 27, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Someone threatened Reagan to make Bush senior his VP? Wow. Someone put that in the history books!!!
wise_man on September 27, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Cato Institute on GSEs:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/html/bp106/bp106index.html
paulsur on September 27, 2008 at 11:52 PM
I agree. There is no “do-over” after this election.
genso on September 27, 2008 at 11:53 PM
I am so appreciative of the House GOP. Eric Cantor, Roy Blount, John Boehner – man those are FANTASTIC guys.
JustTruth101 on September 27, 2008 at 11:53 PM
SNL, MSNBC, CNN et al – I interface with the above via the internet, then I get to set the agenda, and take a shower as quickly as possible. Oh, and yes, I even venture over to Daily Koz once in awhile. But as my name suggests, I am constantly deluged with leftist dialogue and propaganda since I work near a huge, liberal university, and with the children of those in said ivory tower. At the end of the day, I just don’t have the stomach for more from a supposed comedy show.
InTheBellyoftheBeast on September 27, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Thats not much of a difference.
paulsur on September 27, 2008 at 11:54 PM
lorien:
McCain has had a lot more experience at this stuff than I do. I figure he knows what he is doing. I know he knows more about it than I do. So I am not going to second guess his every move. What he is supposed to do? Get out there and flap his gums and piss people off while the negotiations are ongoing?
I am sorry, I might be an obnoxious know it all, but I don’t know the best way to handle this.
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Reagan hated Bush1 and didn’t want him on the ticket.
genso on September 27, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Always trust reagan’s instincts. I hope another Bush never gets close to the levers of power. Never ever never.
unseen on September 27, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Good Times.
phronesis on September 27, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Obama is not going to be the president for god’s sake. Snap out of it. That is what the MSM wants all of us to believe so we will get discouraged and not show up to vote.
Screw the polls. Ask Kerry and Al Gore how all those polls worked out for them. The majority of the American people are way too smart to vote in an empty suit socialist to run our country.
We must keep the faith.
Obama is slime!!!!!
Winebabe on September 27, 2008 at 11:55 PM
George W Bush is still POTUS until January, 2009. McCain used his political capital to get the house GOP guys into the discussion. If McCain hadn’t come back, would they have had anybody with that much pull going to bat for them? Any more blatant activism against the Bush Administration’s negotiations at this time would be stupid and wrong.
Unless you are sitting in McCain’s office eavesdropping on his phone calls, you are just bashing the man for no good reason.
funky chicken on September 27, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Add to that the creative financing and getting two mortgages to avoid mortgage insurance, pretty soon we will have a mess. Wait, we’re there.
Cindy Munford on September 27, 2008 at 11:55 PM
unseen:
I like Bush. I don’t blame him for this. And Bush1 got the blame for the S&L thing when Reagan had a lot to do with it.
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 11:55 PM
I think the voters and tax payers of this country would accept the plan if it included building a new prison in the desert of Nevada, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy out there, that has one level above ground for processing, and 300 stories below ground for prison cells.
Think of an upside down triangle, with arms…….
………. in the depths of the hole, with the feces, urine, and every other bodily fluid that would rain down upon them, would be Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Rahm Emanuel, and of course Jamie Gorelick.
……… above them, layer by layer, the bureaucrats that enabled them, and the MSM.
Oh, by the way, no air conditioning, phones, or computers…….
………. I can dream, can’t I?
Seven Percent Solution on September 27, 2008 at 11:56 PM
How about a newspaper article?
genso on September 27, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Cindy:
It just became normal business.
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 11:56 PM
To hell with this. i’m popping in my movie of of its a mad, mad,mad,mad world and going to sleep…at least I can laugh still…
unseen on September 27, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Hey winebabe! Looking more seriously at the Grass Valley area. I saw on the internet that Nevada County has wineries?
funky chicken on September 27, 2008 at 11:58 PM
The shame of it is there should be no taxpayer exposure. And even the republican plan doesnt take responsibility for creating this mess, and call for the dissolution of the GSEs.
These republicans are just lessor socialists than democrats.
paulsur on September 27, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Republicans are already being blamed. That’s inevitable. So if you are going to be blamed if it fails; make sure you get the bill you want passed.
Nor do I. I’m calling it how I see it.
I said it was a mistake and stupid for McCain to suspend his campaign. Everyone disagreed with me. Now its pretty much accepted to be a dumb move.
Unless; he can pass this bill and get the credit for it.
I feel like much of Bush’s problems over the past 8 years has been his inability to communicate his beliefs and get people to agree with him. McCain is having this same problem. Bush wouldn’t go out and talk to reporters. McCain needs to do that. Face the enemy head on. Democrats do. Why can’t Republicans?
lorien1973 on September 27, 2008 at 11:58 PM
lorien1973 11:58 p.m.
Democrats don’t face the enemy. They cavort with their friends.
either orr on September 28, 2008 at 12:00 AM
This is the winning strategy!!
Bluecaper on September 28, 2008 at 12:00 AM
phronesis on September 28, 2008 at 12:01 AM
They deserve the blame. The created and supported these GSEs all alongside the democrats. Neither party is immune. And neither party is now discussing a plan that will actually fix this mess. See what the two party system got ya? Thing about that when you go to the polls.
paulsur on September 28, 2008 at 12:01 AM
Partially. But look, if McCain can win the election, there is the chance (however remote) that the GSE’s can be revamped or shut down.
If Obama wins, it’ll never happen.
That’s why Republicans/McCain need to get their bill passed. Make sure McCain gets all the credit for it. And get people on your side. Win the election and fix the problem.
lorien1973 on September 28, 2008 at 12:01 AM
I don’t think we’ll all die – but I think the jerkoff will probably pull it off because all of the “Repubs are Bushilters” and deserve to lose their life savings – no matter what – we are EVIL – and McCain is just another representative of all that is wrong with the world.
I’ve been so optimistic for so long, but there comes a time when REALITY sort of smacks you in the kisser. And I think that between the MSM and the Obamamessmerizement – what can you do?
I’m seriously concerned. Everything I’m reading sux.
It’s my husband’s 59th birthday today and maybe it’s because I’ve had too much wine to celebrate- but given his age (and mine) – I just don’t want everything we’ve worked so hard for to be teetering thanks to a suit and his cronies.
Phew, I need an Advil.
tru2tx on September 28, 2008 at 12:01 AM
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 11:48 PM
I noticed yesterday that Harry Reid (I think) said the line of the day, Deal done, McCain came in uninvited, messed up everything…. but beyond that he said the Sen. McCain had gotten in front of every camera around. What? The only time I saw him on camera was walking from one place to another. NOBODY calls, B.S. on these people.
Cindy Munford on September 28, 2008 at 12:01 AM
I know people like to blame Bush and all that and I have been glad to see the House GOP get in on this and try to make it better and more fair…but if we are going to get into blame, I have to say that I wonder what if anything the Republicans who sat on those committees were doing when they had the majority.
It is obvious what the Democrats were doing, but when I think of the hell they raised over Schiavo or Dubai or whatever I can’t help but think..why weren’t they doing something about this? Did they just not see it? Did they think it was manageable.
They had oversight responsibilities too.
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 12:02 AM
I’m actually getting ready to watch ‘Logans Run’ which I rented free of charge from the library (very cool way to see movies).
I feel as if I need to start running from all the turds who operate the government, just as in the movie these aholes are lying to us and saying “Don’t worry, just head off to Carousel and you’ll be fine.”
Bishop on September 28, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Cindy:
They were just trying to mess with McCain,screw him up. The fact that this is election time means that whatever sanity these people might have possessed has just gone.
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 12:04 AM
paulsur on September 28, 2008 at 12:01 AM
Are you kidding me? Go throw away your vote for a eunuch 3rd party and don’t you dare say the Republicans didn’t try to avert this, even Clinton himself said he and the Republicans tried to stop this but the Democrats stonewalled them.
Cardiganfox on September 28, 2008 at 12:04 AM
One of my top 10. I think DC will resemble the film after a few years of obama rule. Hey, do you know that a cat has three names?
genso on September 28, 2008 at 12:04 AM
We had SNL on and I ended up turning the channel. Not surprised they made Sarah look stupid again. It wouldn’t bother me so much if they did it on both sides, but they don’t. Last weeks incest skit was out of line, IMO. The left has been so vicious to her and her family and to see her continually mocked by the media and in these skits, its just too much. Tired of it.
artchick on September 28, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Why revamp a system to underwrite loans to people that do not have the means to pay for them? That is insane!
They are never going to do it, becuase the banking lobby has paid them way to much money to do anything that will actually sove this issue. The $700 Billion os just gonna keep this cash cow rising along for just a little while longer.
paulsur on September 28, 2008 at 12:05 AM
I would crawl from my death bed puking my guts out from chemo with my hair a big mess to vote for John McCain. Those of us who have considered the future under an Obama presidency will not be staying home.
JustTruth101 on September 28, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Bishop:
I do that too sometimes. Logans Run is good.
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 11:55 PM
BUSH 1 lost because of READ MY LIPS No NEW TAXES.
i don’t blame BUSH 2 for everything that has happened. I blame him for destroying the rep party that I knew. Like ZELL said I didn’t leave the party the party left me. BUSH’s compassiate conservatism is nothing but liberalism in drag. I do blame BUSH for no veto in 6 years, run away spending, not fighting for conservative leadership postions in Congress, not winning the war quickly. there is NO reason that the USA should still be fighting two wars after 7 years. We conquered the entire world in less time. I blame Bush for the immigration problem, the lack of an energy plan, and a lack of regulation on FM and FM. Yes McCain and Bush both called for regualtion but they had the majority of COngress. If it was as important as they say it was they should have made it a priority. bush caved on everything except the WOT. Which I give him high marks on exccept for fighting the dam hot wars. Whatever happened to cruching your enemy, driving them before you and hearing the wailing of their women. Bush pussyfooted aroundin iraq insteade of destroying it. Like FDr and Truman I don’t care about civilians during wartime. They had years to rise up against Sadamm. they liked him at least the majority did. Same with the Irainian. Oh….the hell with it…what is done is done but BUSH is not a conservative.
unseen on September 28, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Little curious here-the Dems claim enough votes to ram their legislation through regardless, it’s claimed.
Do they?
irongrampa on September 28, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Taking the money baby, taking the money.
paulsur on September 28, 2008 at 12:07 AM
tru2x:
I turned 57 a couple of days ago, I know what you mean. Too old to start over.
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 12:07 AM
That is precisely what the fool said and each representative should inform his/her constituents of her charges, because I’m sure Nan would like to hear from them.
rplat on September 27, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Well don’t do it here in the PRC unless you want your life turned upside down.
N4646W on September 28, 2008 at 12:07 AM
tru2tx on September 28, 2008 at 12:01 AM
Yes, the Oloser might win it, then again he might not; alternating between shitting our pants and seeing rainbows everywhere is stooopid.
Half of the ‘experts’ out there are saying do something now or its Great Depression time, the other half are saying the plan is so dumb it will exacerbate the problem. The reality probably lies somewhere in-between.
The libs and their media shill whores would be raking the GOP over the coals no matter WHAT they did, so the Repubs might as well fight the good fight. If they go down swinging, fine, at least they swung; I’m tired of watching these DFL bitches ruin my country.
Bishop on September 28, 2008 at 12:08 AM
On strictly party line votes without a senate fillibuster, yes. But some are balking at the bill.
phronesis on September 28, 2008 at 12:09 AM
irongrampa:
I wonder about that. I think Nancy promised the black caucus too much and some other people too much and then found out that everybody had some problem with some part of it. Too appease on faction, was to lose another. And she ends up stuck.
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 12:11 AM
On Oct. 19th 1987 the stock market fell 22%! In 1 1/2 years it had regained all of the loss and more and then began it’s long run upwards.
If the Dow falls 3000 to 4000 points so what? People invest in things they don’t understand and buy homes they can’t afford. They think they are smarter than everyone else and I have no sympathy for them.
Vote the politicians out for failing completely at their jobs and for robbing us blind. Throw them and their cronies that paid them off in jail. Jamie Gorelick made $24,000,000 at Fannie Mae and we just yawn. After a while, people become numb to the numbers and need a jolt like this to WAKE UP!
Vince on September 28, 2008 at 12:11 AM
One of my top 10. I think DC will resemble the film after a few years of obama rule.
genso on September 28, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Either that or Soylent Green. It’s made of people, you know.
Bishop on September 28, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 12:04 AM
I understand the games but I think I am still a little Pollyanna about the complicity of the press. Britt Hume’s grapevine seems the only way to catch any word of it.
Cindy Munford on September 28, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Because the stock market isn’t the cause of the collaspe, it’s a symptom. The credit market is actually more important than the stock market to the economy and it is caught in a downward spiral.
phronesis on September 28, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Vince on September 28, 2008 at 12:11 AM
this isn’t 1987. Think 1929 Credit crisis and bank runs lead to the depression. !987 had a different reason. It was lack of buyers mostly and fear. the quick rebound showed the fear was not warranted. This time we are looking at 450trillion in loses. Think about that for a moment.
unseen on September 28, 2008 at 12:16 AM
Sad, isn’t it. The media turn soundbytes into news and news into soundbytes
genso on September 28, 2008 at 12:16 AM
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Happy birthday to you too!
I pray for our future.
I also believe in Karma. So if all goes to hell because of the folks that are being dishonest, greedy, short-sighted and outright a-holes…….
What goes around, comes around. They’d better duck.
tru2tx on September 28, 2008 at 12:16 AM
Terrye-I do believe that may be the case, hence the front loading of dems at the meeting. Nice way to slide their agenda through without contending with their own balking about some provisions.
irongrampa on September 28, 2008 at 12:17 AM
300 million people. 300 million frickin’ people and THESE are the fools we decided should run the nation.
Ya know…maybe there’s a reason that alien life hasn’t contacted us. They took a good close look at what passes for governments on this poor earth and decided we were too stupid to befriend.
Bishop on September 28, 2008 at 12:17 AM
I went to work today. Traffic lights still work. Same old traffic holding up the loads. 7-11 still had seven kinds of coffee. Starbucks across the street was packed. McDonalds still made my burger for lunch. Going home the traffic lights were still working and 7-11 had the lights blazing as I drove by. To my complete surprise my house was still sitting in the cul-de-sac. The dogs barked when I came in and asked me if the market had crashed yet. Opened the Fridgidare and lo and behold Pelosi hadn’t been in my twelve pack. Shocked. Shocked, I tell ya.
Limerick on September 28, 2008 at 12:17 AM
I am telling you right now no bill was ever introduced by a republican that would have eliminated GSEs, and got the gov’t out of the mortgage business.
There was way to much Money from the banking lobby for anyone of those dudes to even fart about it.
paulsur on September 28, 2008 at 12:17 AM
I saw this too. They are cruel. I’d like to think there really is a silent majority out there that’s fed up with the way she’s treated, fed up with the way Obama has been carried by the media, fed up with this bail out that’s being force-fed to us. I really do think McCain-Palin are the pair to try to do something in DC. Voters around the country should really think hard about voting their reps out–except for those House GOPers who are hanging tough.
BuckeyeSam on September 28, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Oh, btw Terrye-happy birthday. I no longer have them, as they’ve become obsolescent in my case.
irongrampa on September 28, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Well, on my way to bed. I will say my prayers and hope for no taxpayer funded legislation at the 11th hour tomorrow.
Good night to all.
paulsur on September 28, 2008 at 12:19 AM
Limerick on September 28, 2008 at 12:17 AM
You’re not planning on quitting our sacred band of exotic but strangely attractive desert holdouts, are you? I’ve already started sharpening the edges of your boomerang.
Bishop on September 28, 2008 at 12:23 AM
unseen:’
Bush is not a member of Congress, if he could not get the Republicans in Congress to stand with him on a veto of a bloated farm bill, he should not be blamed for the fact that they could not do their job of oversight. That is their responsibility, not his.
As for immigration, please, Bush’s policy on immigration is the same today as it was when he was given the nomination. It was not even an issue in 2000 or 2004. He never hid it, lied about it or pretended to be anything other than what he was. If people in the GOP could not deal with that, they should not have given him the nomination and then complained when he did not change his policy.
The war? This is not fair. It was Bush that put Patraeus in charge even when the Pentagon fought him on it. The idea that Bush was supposed to win 2 wars in no time flat with no dead people because it is just such a drag when it goes on and on or whatever sounds just plain petulant.
As for the spending, keep in mind that not only did we have 2 wars, we had natural disasters, an attack on the United States that costs more in one day than this bill they are negotiating will costs in years and a complete reorganization of the government.
And you know what? When Bush the compassionate conservative still had good numbers he won a second term and he had coat tails, he helped the Republican party do something it had not done in years: take control of both branches.
I don’t think Bush destroyed the party, I don’t think it is destroyed, but I do think that a lot of people decided that they did not like him much when he stopped being useful to them.
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 12:23 AM
Nah…..*fifth column Feral Boy* doing recon
Limerick on September 28, 2008 at 12:24 AM
This isn’t 1987 and it isn’t 1929. Four hundred and fifty trillion in losses? Says who? You build a house, you sell it, the buyer defaults but the house (asset) is still there.
Was $450 trillion loaned out and “they” can’t get it back? What was it loaned for? Are there no hard assets for any of these loans? Where did the money go? Is part of it still around? If it ended up in someone’s pocket, go get it!
By the way. The world recovered from the 1929 crash too. It took 20 years but it recovered. Time to pay the piper!
Vince on September 28, 2008 at 12:24 AM
I’m with ya. I’ve got enough fruit on my prickly pear cactus out front to feed the family for a while if push comes to shove!
SkinnerVic on September 28, 2008 at 12:25 AM
Limerick, how’s your son?
funky chicken on September 28, 2008 at 12:25 AM
irongrampa:
I am thinking about giving them up myself.
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 12:25 AM
Terrye on September 28, 2008 at 12:23 AM
I think W could have used the veto pen a heck of a lot more.
Cindy Munford on September 28, 2008 at 12:27 AM
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