Video: Obama shamelessly contradicts himself about troops dying in vain

posted at 2:40 pm on September 27, 2008 by Allahpundit

Thanks to commenter (and ex-blogger) Seixon for catching this. Not a huge deal, but a nice reminder of what a cynical poseur The One is. Here he is last night during the bracelet exchange, sonorously declaring that no soldier dies in vain who follows the orders of his commander-in-chief:

And here’s how poseur ended his 2002 anti-war speech, which remains to this day the biggest/only credential on his foreign-policy resume:

The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not — we will not — travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.

How can their sacrifice be in vain if they’re following the orders of the commander-in-chief? It can’t, according to potential commander-in-chief Barack Obama, who’s already thinking about the heat he’ll take from the cretins in his base if he follows through on a build-up in Afghanistan and the casualty numbers start ticking up. State senator Barack Obama was of a different opinion, since his reelection depended upon pandering to the leftist majority in his district. The One occasionally confuses the two, telling a crowd in Iowa early last year that we “have seen over 3,000 lives of the bravest young Americans wasted” before backing off afterwards and scolding himself for using constituent-inappropriate rhetoric. The joke here, of course, as it was when Diane Sawyer made Pelosi squirm on this same subject, is that the whole point of the left’s moral (as opposed to political) opposition to the war is that they think soldiers are dying needlessly. Even less coherent than “I support the troops but not their mission” is “I believe the occupation is wrong and possibly criminal but the blood being spilled for it is justified.” That’s where they’re at, though, because that’s where they have to be to “reconcile” the things they actually believe with the things they have to pretend to believe to get elected.

If Obama wanted to repudiate his 2002 statement in a coherent way, he could have argued that there’s been so much improvement over the past year in Iraq and so much damage done to Al Qaeda and the Sadrist fundies that even if he thought the sacrifice was in vain before, he doesn’t think so now. Granted, it’s asking a lot to ask him to nuke his biggest/only credential, but why shouldn’t he acknowledge the progress more robustly? After all, we owe the success of the surge to him and Biden, don’t we?

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Let’s say it’s a very new member of the federal bureaucracy. :)

philnewkirk on September 27, 2008 at 6:10 PM

philnewkirk are you afraid that McCain will cut your government program because it isn’t needed?

What do you think about Obama expanding Government and Creating a Government Funded Private Army?

Obama’s Government funded Nation of Islam with General Farrakhan at the helm, and his Army of 3 Million soldiers patrolling your neighborhoods? Does that sound good after Obama outlaws and regulates all the guns out of your hands?

Chakra Hammer on September 27, 2008 at 6:16 PM

I think Mrs. Virgin Baby Momma looked like she had raided Ester’s closet! The only thing that dress needed was one of those crazy hats Ester wore and that would have made it complete!

It wasn’t the right time for that particular battle and McCain was wise to hold his fire. Besides, the F-Mae/F-Mac business is still developing. He’s going to let the dust settle and chips fall before deciding on the correct approach vector and OODA loop. His stumble on this issue was fortuitous, because it gives the Obama people a false sense of superiority.

ManlyRash on September 27, 2008 at 3:31 PM

I said the exact same thing to my husband last night! THEY are way over confident after last night.

I think being out there on the campaign trail is going to hurt THE ONE while Chuck U Schummer is having a melt down along with other Dems on the Hill. As Fox is reporting, even the Obama zombies were not happy with THE ONE over passing this bailout bill.

freeus on September 27, 2008 at 6:19 PM

That is so tiresome, correcting people like that. Cut it out. – Glynn on September 27, 2008 at 6:16 PM

The troll is here for no reason other than to annoy, Glynn.

ManlyRash on September 27, 2008 at 6:24 PM

What you seem to be saying is that it is unpatriotic to question a war.


…”seem to be saying”…I don’t usually “seem” to say anything…I go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on in thread after thread (I think you get the point) and am pretty clear…

…the cleverness must be confusing you…in which case, go to another blog…clever people here, what….

Definitive statement: Megyn Kelly would make a dandy Christmas present…and, painted like an Easter egg and wearing bunny ears, would brighten up my April.

(I posted this earlier, but, upon reflection, have found that I have strong feelings on the matter.)

…oppose the war? Sure…but how?

Wanting to hamstring the effort when we’ve got troops actively engaged? Defeatism which makes policy-making difficult? Playing politics with soldiers lives? The constant repetition of “no WMDs” and “weren’t involved in 9/11” and personalizing the war in the manner of “no Vietnamese ever called me a n*gger” (a ’60’s flashback, I’ll grant you)?

Unpatriotic. Full stop.

Now…where’s my Christmas present?

Puritan1648 on September 27, 2008 at 6:25 PM

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate — we can not consecrate — we can not hallow — this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract.

The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here.

It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced.

It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

November 19, 1863
Dedication of the Soldiers’ National Cemetery, Gettysburg, Pennsylvania

Abraham Lincoln, Sixteenth President of the United States of America

Loxodonta on September 27, 2008 at 6:28 PM

Obama will Out Law and Regulate all guns out of the the US.

Kos Kiddies = Obama’s SA Sturmabteilung (Brownshirts) They will be Killed and replaced when Obama Creates the “Government funded Private Army” within the first 100 days.

They Will Be Replaced BY

Nation of Islam = Obama’s SS after what will be reminecent of the “Night of the Long Knives”

Then we will will have a race war.

Chakra Hammer on September 27, 2008 at 6:29 PM

The Sturmabteilung, abbreviated SA, (German for “Assault detachment” or “Assault section”, usually translated as “stormtroop(er)s”), functioned as a paramilitary organization of the NSDAP – the German Nazi party. It played a key role in Adolf Hitler’s rise to power in the 1930s.

SA men were often called “brownshirts”, for the colour of their uniforms, and to distinguish them from the Schutzstaffel (SS), who wore black and brown uniforms (compare the Italian blackshirts). Brown-coloured shirts were chosen as the SA uniform because a large batch of them was cheaply available after World War I, having originally been ordered for German troops serving in Africa.

The SA was also the first Nazi paramilitary group to develop pseudo-military titles for bestowal upon its members. The SA ranks would be adopted by several other Nazi Party groups, chief among them the SS. They were very important to Hitler’s rise to power until they were superseded by the SS after the Night of the Long Knives.

Chakra Hammer on September 27, 2008 at 6:32 PM

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

The Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776

ManlyRash on September 27, 2008 at 6:37 PM

Chakra Hammer on September 27, 2008 at 6:38 PM

Senator Obama & his supporters are so interested in the future, they want us to forget history. Not just American history, but most especially Senator Obama’s history.

They are so filled with hatred and blame, they have no sense of honor and devotion.

They hold nothing sacred, not, nor liberty.

All they seek is their own selfish pursuit of happiness.

Loxodonta on September 27, 2008 at 6:38 PM

They hold nothing sacred, not life, nor liberty.

(Sorry. Like Obama’s voting record, somehow life got overlooked in that sentence.)

Loxodonta on September 27, 2008 at 6:40 PM

Chakra Hammer on September 27, 2008 at 6:45 PM

Why haven’t we seen any polls or seen ANY articles on this Government funded “Security Force” funded just as much as the Military LMAO..


Why not Questions to Obama?

Will he give the Nation of Islam money?

Why not, he gave Father Pfleger’s Church money..

Chakra Hammer on September 27, 2008 at 6:52 PM

Obama already said he plans to charge Bush with crimes against Obama,, I mean, crimes against humanity or something like that, once he is President.
Wondering if McCain might face charges as well, from one of his Truth Squads out there,, for violating the truth of Obama??

JellyToast on September 27, 2008 at 9:48 PM

Oh, my goodness. I listen to this effing idiot ramble, and I wonder how it is that there are so many stupid people in this country, that they buy his blather. This statement – even without the other outrageous crap – is simply unintelligible.

Some soldier’s Mom gave him a bracelet so that “no other Mother will have to go through what I am going through”? Means what, O’Douchebag? You’re going to disband the American military?

What a f*ucking nitwit.

Jaibones on September 27, 2008 at 10:01 PM

Died in vain, then not died in vain.
Time to add #32 to my list of BO’s flip-flops.

jgapinoy on September 27, 2008 at 11:12 PM

One thing I noticed during the debate was that Obama went back at least twice to the inane position of: ‘we should never have gone to war in the first place’. That kinda works if you’re a 6 year old, but not when you’re supposed to be a big boy who’s running for Commander In Chief. This is a big reason why Demos make lousy Presidents; they’re irrational/magical thinkers.
The tit-for tat BS that Obama pulled about the bracelet made me scream for another bucket. I don’t know why I bother to eat before I watch Barry Whosane. If I bring it up, he just ‘votes’: ‘Present’.

Christine on September 28, 2008 at 12:31 AM

One thing I noticed during the debate was that Obama went back at least twice to the inane position of: ‘we should never have gone to war in the first place’. That kinda works if you’re a 6 year old, but not when you’re supposed to be a big boy who’s running for Commander In Chief. This is a big reason why Demos make lousy Presidents; they’re irrational/magical thinkers.
The tit-for tat BS that Obama pulled about the bracelet made me scream for another bucket. I don’t know why I bother to eat before I watch Barry Whosane. If I bring it up, he just ‘votes’: ‘Present’.

Christine on September 28, 2008 at 12:31 AM

Maybe McCain at the Next Debate should Ask Obama IF he wants to try the Iraqi’s for war crimes for finding Saddam guilty and then Killing His Poor Saddam Hussien..

You know poor “Butcher of Baghdad” that used WMD’s on his own people and the poor soul that was funding terrorists to bomb Israeli’s, the poor man that was violating repeated UN resolutions, and the poor man that was shooting at out airplanes every day, and the poor man that was defying weapons inspectors.. awwwww Poor Saddman Hussein.. Maybe Obama likes his last name.. you know Obama said in his book that “hussein” is aribic for “blessed” well Saddam is in hell.

Chakra Hammer on September 28, 2008 at 5:00 AM

What I mean is that it was fashionable to question the patriotism of anti-war Christians in 2003.

philnewkirk on September 27, 2008 at 4:30 PM


Name one anti-war Christian whose patriotism was questioned, and by whom. Evidence, please.

It is and was fashionable to blame all Saddam Hussein’s actions, the insurgency, the Iranians nuclear weapons work, most terrorist attacks, 9-11, and all the hatred spewed by Islamic fascists on George W Bush. How’s that fit your definition of questioning someone’s (Bush’s) patriotism?

You are wrong that there were no WMDs. You are wrong that there were no terrorists in Iraq. You are wrong that 9-11 was our fault. You are wrong that the war was not necessary and was unsuccessful. You don’t change Muslim minds filled with hatred of America by offering them a trade mission. They either change their stinking attitudes towards violence towards infidels or be accommodated on their way to their 72 virgins. There is no in between with their religion.

How do you survive in this world since you are obviously incorrect in everything you know about it?


Subsunk on September 28, 2008 at 7:21 AM

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