House GOP rejects latest bailout proposal; Update: Pelosi wants deal in principle by tonight
posted at 4:09 pm on September 27, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Too many ornaments on the left’s Christmas tree, with the star on top being Chris Dodd’s preposterous proposal to make sure ACORN gets a cut of the income from each distressed asset sold at a profit even if distressed assets in the aggregate are sold at a loss. They’ve got a little more than 24 hours to pass a bill before the markets in Asia open Monday; Roy Blunt thinks if they don’t have it done by then, there won’t be a deal until late next week. Any problem with that? Read Bill Kristol’s latest at the Standard and have a paper bag handy, as you’ll need it to breathe. Publicly, at least, Fortis denies it’s at risk of going under and claims it has liquidity to spare. Kristol claims two sources who say otherwise and foresees bank runs in the U.S. from the shockwave if it happens — bailout or no bailout. (Roughly half of all Belgian households have accounts with Fortis, according to Reuters.)
We’ve reached the point where even the Journal is sufficiently worried to beg for relief:
No one tried harder than we did to avoid arriving at this pass, but now that we’re here our vote is that this government intervention is justified to defend the system…
The libertarian blogs are full of tut-tutting that the economy has held up surprisingly well, and for a year we’ve been arguing the same thing. But there’s no guarantee this will continue, especially as unemployment climbs and as evidence grows that banking distress is squeezing credit to small and big business alike. Credit spreads over Treasurys are back at agonizing levels, as investors and lenders flee from even plain vanilla risks.
Nobel economics laureate Gary Becker is no alarmist, but this week he wrote on his blog, “I have reluctantly concluded that substantial intervention was justified to avoid a major short-term collapse of the financial system that could push the world economy in a major depression.” Anyone who thinks that capitalism will fare better after a crash should recall that the 1930s didn’t end politically until 1980…
The Paulson idea also seems better than the “insurance” plan for bank assets that House Republicans are now proposing. That idea would still put taxpayers at risk if the assets fall in value, but with little potential upside. Meanwhile, the assets would remain on bank books, making it that much harder for banks to raise private capital and resume normal lending.
The House GOP intervention may still be fortuitous if it focuses on killing the many Democratic ideas that are making the Paulson plan worse.
Indeed, which raises the question of why Dodd et al. are demanding handouts to ACORN when there’s a developing national emergency to deal with. As I’m writing this, Bloomberg is hitting the wires with a report that progress has been made on a deal and that Reid and McConnell are optimistic it’ll be struck tomorrow, with Bob Corker quoted as saying House GOP resistance is “thawing.” Let’s hope. If you follow only one link here, make it this AP history of recent government bailouts in Sweden and Japan explaining why even well-managed recoveries mean multiyear downturns. We’re in for a bad stretch, even if it’s not — knock wood — a catastrophic one.
Update: I’m not much in the mood for blame right now but people are sending this around and it’s as good a post as any to update with. Barney Frank has a star turn, as usual.
Update: Pelosi wants something to look at by tonight. I honestly wonder what the public reaction’s going to be if they stay deadlocked, the market drops 2,000 points on Monday, and people start running on banks. Confidence in government will be even lower than confidence in the markets, which means political destabilization. But what will that look like?
Update: Don’t look now but there’s panic brewing in Britain as well, with a major bank in danger of being nationalized on Monday.
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Oh, ya.
It’s all over the MSM. Like that 2 hour edition of Larry King Live that was all about Obama’s nefarious ties to ACORN and those 7 front-page NYT stories, and how Jack Cafferty just talks endlessly about it and so does Andrew Sullivan and don’t forget that special 60 Minutes segment … oh wait .. that didn’t happen.
CanadianGuy on September 27, 2008 at 5:21 PM
CK Mackleod-
I realize that it’s all through the intermediary of a slush fund that was set up in the last bailout.
I know the bill doesn’t specifically mention ACORN.
Not sure what your argument is after that…
Are you saying you think that one cutout is sufficient cover to allow the MSM to mock and dismiss the ACORN connection?
ClintACK on September 27, 2008 at 5:21 PM
ROTFLMAO
I’m not a texter. What does that mean?
Mercy4Me on September 27, 2008 at 5:21 PM
…so does the Mafia…it attracts attention and is bad for business….
Puritan1648 on September 27, 2008 at 5:23 PM
If China has stopped lending us money because we aren’t making the credit card payments anymore, where are we going to borrow 700 billion from?
Uuuuhm, what about the next time this happens?
Maybe we should take a page from a certain Asian nation, we default and then tell China, we’ll start paying you again if…you let the Yuan float like the dollar, get N.K. under control and knock off the BS you’ve got going with Iran and Russia.
I wonder if that would work with Mexico, we’ll start allowing remittances to flow back into your country if…
The GOP should demand tax and spending cuts, severe, permanent, tax and spending cuts.
So much for the great big advantage of having an MBA for Pres.
Speakup on September 27, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Mercy, it just means I am, uh, rolling on the floor laughing something off. I only use the phrase under extraordinary circumstances. : )
capitalist piglet on September 27, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Anybody hear from Mitt about this crisis?
Terrie on September 27, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Ok, thanks capitalist piglet
Mercy4Me on September 27, 2008 at 5:24 PM
He was on kudlow a few days ago. He supports the bailout.
phronesis on September 27, 2008 at 5:25 PM
Hope springs eternal! After 8 years of servile deference to the marxists/socialists, the GOP is finally showing some cajones!Hold the line and not be hasty.
obdurate on September 27, 2008 at 5:25 PM
…who let this mail man in here?
…where’s my last three Sears wishbooks, buddy!
…oh…and here’s a newsflash: ACORN is a racket…I’ll send you a postcard….
Puritan1648 on September 27, 2008 at 5:26 PM
Dude!!! Step away from the Kool-Aide!
alwaysright43 on September 27, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Please, please, please, stop with the Muslim thing.
He’s not.
The other three are absolutely true — and more than enough to disqualify him as a candidate for President.
Tossing in the silly Muslim thing just gives people an excuse to ignore your solid points.
ClintACK on September 27, 2008 at 5:27 PM
That was Chinese lending to US banks. Not the purchase of our US government treasury bills/notes.
Second, the Fed will simply print/release more money. Which will drive the value of the US dollar down further. It was making a comeback but that stopped.
SteveMG on September 27, 2008 at 5:27 PM
While we have ACORN in our sites, don’t forget La Raza’s role in this sh#t sandwich……………
Seven Percent Solution on September 27, 2008 at 5:29 PM
Explains everything.
ManlyRash on September 27, 2008 at 5:29 PM
Hemmer on FOX just now: Mike Pence says it’s going to be hard to get ACORN out of this bill.
IrishEi on September 27, 2008 at 5:29 PM
Just wanted to say thanks to Allah and Ed for their hard work today…
There’s a lot of stuff going on, but apparently Drudge has gone to sleep and Michelle is taking the day off.
I can’t blame them though.
I don’t pity the Democrats for having to work today though.
Serves them right that they might be campaigning from Capitol Hill this year…. doing actual work they haven’t done in 2 years.
Mcguyver on September 27, 2008 at 5:30 PM
They won’t borrow it, per se. They’ll get it from your paycheck and mine and his and hers and theirs….
SouthernGent on September 27, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Okay, but if Republicans indeed act like Democrats and hold up the bill because ACORN is also being issued moneys alongside corrupt giants AIG and Lehman Brothers, there will be political repercussions — for holding up the bill due to partisan ideological differences with ACORN and other community organizations that are also included in the bailout package.
philnewkirk on September 27, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Why?
Wethal on September 27, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Then the bill must die. If the markets collapse, they collapse.
ManlyRash on September 27, 2008 at 5:31 PM
The Brits just nationalized Bradford & Bingley. The bank failures will likely continue even with a bill from congress.
dedalus on September 27, 2008 at 5:32 PM
I feel queasy.
alwaysright43 on September 27, 2008 at 5:32 PM
I saw that. If so, the bill should pass righ along party lines.
SouthernGent on September 27, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Tell us, Phil: which tentacle of the U.S. bureaucracy issues your paycheck?
ManlyRash on September 27, 2008 at 5:32 PM
FOX now saying House to vote Sunday Morning.
Weight of Glory on September 27, 2008 at 5:33 PM
People problem, mission problem? Why do I care. The bottom line is that ACORN, what ever its problems is corrupt and trying to steal US elections. You want me to finance that? I think NOT.
I am angry. Angry that those fools on the Hill want me to trust them when they have a bipartisan meeting where I’m suppose to be stupid enough to believe they forgot to notify one party – the party not in power.
I am angry that with their stupidity they continue the suppose closer to the brink of economic collapse (if I’m suppose to believe that) while they play their stupid games.
IF this bill is SO vital, why are they playing “gottcha” with it? Why as another poster asked, don’t they just pass the damn bill, all by itself.
No, I don’t trust Paulson or Congress. Paulson has too many ties to Goldman Sachs who plans to buy up all these banks with cleaned balance sheets as soon as the government (ie taxpayers) buy them out. So Goldman Sachs and Warren Buffet make millions of dollars while we, the working taxpayers take the risk off their investments. Tell me that Paulson has not friends with investments in Goldman Sachs.
I like the insurance plan or the Government guarantee plan but then that doesn’t make money for Warren Buffet because the crap stays on the balance sheets where it belongs.
I swear, we would randomly choose 100 or 300 people, send them to Washington, allow them to listen to the various plans (including Gingrich) give them a couple of unbiased advisers and they would walk out of the room with a far better plan than this damn congress.
katablog.com on September 27, 2008 at 5:33 PM
I took this from a previous post in this thread. I think it is worthy of a repost. From the communist party USA scroll down about 1/2 way to see their porposed fix.
http://cpusa.org/article/articleview/985/
Any plan before Congress must:
1) Protect homeowners faced with foreclosure by restructuring mortgage rates to be in line with family income.
2) Create economic stimulus for working people and small business
3) Provide $100 billion in emergency relief to state and local governments wracked with budget cuts and diminished tax revenue
4) Bar CEO severance packages and cap the pay of executives receiving a bailout
5) Regulate banking and finance with transparent public oversight
6) Maintain public control over monopolies like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that have a decisive role in the economy
7) Control speculation and increase revenues by taxing large financial transactions
8) Ban predatory lending and cap interest rates on all types of debts
9) End the war in Iraq, which is draining $700 million a day from public coffers
allrsn on September 27, 2008 at 5:33 PM
Hope you have enough cash on hand. The FDIC doesn’t.
dedalus on September 27, 2008 at 5:33 PM
Lehman Brothers went into Chapter 11 bankruptcy. It’s being handled by the bankruptcy court in SDNY under existing law.
Wethal on September 27, 2008 at 5:34 PM
This is a great summary of the problem, and a good reminder of Barry’s role in the mortgage fiasco (written last April) – Meet Barry Obama, fair housing lawyer
Also check this out, from a Boston Globe story:
Great job, Barry! Why don’t you just admit you’re a freaking Marxist who uses the law for authoritarian purposes to social engineer results, and stop wasting our time with any and all pretenses to the contrary?
Buy Danish on September 27, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Hemmer and Kelly were talking about the emails they were receiving and how furious people were about ACORN and wanted it out of the bill. Then Hemmer said, “Well, we just heard from Mike Pence that it’s going to be hard to get ACORN out of this bill.” then they went to commercial
Anybody hear Pence on FOX?
IrishEi on September 27, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Oh, snap! Megyn Kelly taking to some Obama loser.
SouthernGent on September 27, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Don’t know. My perception is that the story is out, and that the base won’t let the Rs vote for a bill with the slush fund (and other items like the union bosses on boards provision). It gives the Rs an excuse to say “pass it without us if it’s so important to you.”
My main objective was just to get people who are rightfully agitated about this one not to trap themselves in overstatement.
CK MacLeod on September 27, 2008 at 5:37 PM
This is going to be a wild night. Has anyone been able to get through to their Senators and Reps. on the D.C. lines this weekend?
Weight of Glory on September 27, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Rest assured Gringo that Juan and poco Lindsey will make sure that we get at least our share of the mucho dinero from you suckas.
VinyFoxy on September 27, 2008 at 5:38 PM
I sure do. Been withdrawing a bunch of it for the past week. Plus, I’ll be purchasing more ammo next week along with a pump action shotgun.
ManlyRash on September 27, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Hugh Hewitt promised on the radio last night NO ACORN. I say pass it without the House Republicans. And I don’t really care for Bill Crystal coming along trying to scare people either.
Cindy Munford on September 27, 2008 at 5:39 PM
If so…. then by Sunday afternoon, Republicans need to be screaming from the rooftops about this.
If Democrats are going to make their stand on a multi-billion-dollar voter fraud slush fund, they need to be called on it.
((Random musing: Wouldn’t this be an entertaining time to investigate the constitutionality of the Line Item Veto, ala “I hereby sign these three sections of the bill, and veto this other one.”
No, no. Awful time, I know, but it would be very, very interesting.))
ClintACK on September 27, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Who are you, and what have you done to MB4?
rockhauler on September 27, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Hard, because they don’t have the votes or influence to force our will on the Democrats – but if a single Republican votes for this thing, I am going to come unglued. Let the Democrats be the ones to fund this voter fraud machine. They’re more than happy to do it. Republicans had better deny them the cover they’re seeking, though. If we can’t get what we want (thanks, 2006!!), we can at least PROTEST.
ARRRRGH.
capitalist piglet on September 27, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Ah.
Then I completely agree.
ClintACK on September 27, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Can they pass the bill, and come back next week with new legislation and repeal the ACORN part, once we’ve taken care of the immediate crisis and had time to embarrass Barry, Pelosi, Dodd, Frank and all the rest of them?
Of course a D.O.J. investigation would help, starting with the fact that they hid the fact that its founder, Wade Rathke, embezzled a ton of money and to date has never been charged with a crime for his actions.
Buy Danish on September 27, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Thank you, phronesis. I guess he’s here politicking in my state California, where coincidentally he purchased real estate recently. I wish he would run against Boxer in 2010 if he doesn’t want to be governor again.
Terrie on September 27, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Never happen. Don’t forget who has the majority.
IrishEi on September 27, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Latest update from Politico.
Supposed to be two and two with Paulson (who is pretty much a Dem, so it would have been 3-2). Hope Gregg and Blunt can hold firm (and Blackberry for reinforcements).
Wethal on September 27, 2008 at 5:44 PM
SEVEN democrats and only TWO republicans…hmmm, I wonder if Acorn will get its money?
HornetSting on September 27, 2008 at 5:44 PM
Does it matter who`s President next year anymore? Sounds like it`s going to be Mad Maxx world.
ThePrez on September 27, 2008 at 5:45 PM
I have no use for ACORN, but I hope they find a compromise soon. I heard yesterday that the Cantor/Paulson bill they were working on had stripped this out. I wonder if this is a different bill, or if someone slipped it back in.
I know a lot of people are trying to lay blame for all this, and I agree that most of it goes to the Democratic initiatives designed to increase minority and low income housing, but in truth a lot of people let this happen.
I don’t think they thought it would get this bad. I think one reason for the address to the country from Bush and the plans for the bailout came about because the extent and depth of the problem took government and business leaders by surprise, then came panic.
I think they thought they could ride it out, but now it is becoming more obvious that it won’t work that way.
Bush at least said that he would take a deal that would solve the problem, he did not make any big demands beyond that. But some of the members of Congress just seem to be playing around.
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 5:48 PM
They were talking to Bill Burton. He’s a lying POS and a weasel.
csdeven on September 27, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Would someone please tell Frank Luntz his focus group is skewed? If those weren’t Bambam plants, I’m a Martian…
pcbedamned on September 27, 2008 at 5:49 PM
The Prez:
Whoever it is might wish he had not tried to so hard to win.
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 5:49 PM
I think if you read up on ACORN, you’ll have a stronger opinion of them than simply having “no use” for them. They are dangerous.
capitalist piglet on September 27, 2008 at 5:51 PM
Powerful business lobbying groups and their political allies will continue to attack ACORN, not because of a purported interest in stemming voter fraud or subprime mortgage malfeasance, but because of ACORN’s success at winning victories for the poor and helping change the nation’s political climate, laying the groundwork for a more humane and fair society.
philnewkirk on September 27, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Who ever you are are you aware that ACORN has been fined more for voter fraud then any other voter activity out there even including that corrupt ACT.
Are you aware that the executive staff make more then enough in compensation to tear down and rebuild the slums that Barack Obama and Tony Rezko created?
Also show me anywhere, just one document that says the US Attorneys were wrongfully fired? They were political appointees it is legally impossible to wrongfully fire them.
Does your mother know that you are on her computer again?
Jdripper on September 27, 2008 at 5:53 PM
Oh great.
IrishEi on September 27, 2008 at 5:53 PM
This is what pisses me off most about Obama. He knows he’d never be elected if he was honest about who he is and what he believes in, so he lies through his teeth, and counts on the fact that most of the electorate is too lazy to find out for themselves what he’s really about.
AZCoyote on September 27, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Why in the hell is Barney Frank and Chris Dodd still apart of this soup sandwich? Damn it, they should both be in jail or at least not be a part of any negotiation because of a conflict of interest.
mindhacker on September 27, 2008 at 5:55 PM
The problem with not passing the bill, is that if things go to hell they will blame the Republicans, right or wrong and that makes Obama an even likelier winner in a few weeks. And that is not going to hurt ACORN. I am sure they would love an Obama presidency.
I dunno, but they need to stop jacking around and pass this thing. No kidding.
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Whoever wins I wish them the best of luck and the ability to pick the best advisers in the world and to listen to them.
wise_man on September 27, 2008 at 5:56 PM
mindhacker:
I am not sure if they broke they law, Dodd and Frank are unethical I do believe, but putting them in jail will probably never happen.
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 5:58 PM
The bailout will pass – with all the pork included. Some Repubs will support it. The guilty will be hailed as saviors and heroes. The innocent will be vilified as crooks and liars. All Democrats involved will be re-elected. ACORN will receive oodles of cash to fix elections. The U.S. will continue its long, painful decline.
ManlyRash on September 27, 2008 at 5:58 PM
Well, you can bend over and grab your ankles while the rest of us call our reps and fight this.
HornetSting on September 27, 2008 at 5:58 PM
wise_man:
Yes, they will need all the help they can get.
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 5:59 PM
The best you can hope for is that they vote against it. Some of them will break ranks, however.
ManlyRash on September 27, 2008 at 6:00 PM
The Republicans don’t have the votes to hold this up, so how can it possibly be their fault if it doesn’t pass? They’ll successfully blame Republicans because people are too stupid to understand this little factoid?
capitalist piglet on September 27, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Well, I was scarred. But now that we know Charlie Rangel is on the case, we can all sleep well tonight.
/bs
phronesis on September 27, 2008 at 6:02 PM
If this is SO DAMN IMPORTANT, why all the pork? Why do we need all of this…it is gumming up the works. Obviously this is a dangerous time and we are fighting over giving goodies to pet projects, like Acorn.
Get off your overpaid, good-for-nothing a$$e$ and do your damn jobs and get this thing done! NOW!
Where is my pitchfork?
HornetSting on September 27, 2008 at 6:02 PM
/s, that was supposed to be, but /bs works too.
phronesis on September 27, 2008 at 6:02 PM
I’m with you.
capitalist piglet on September 27, 2008 at 6:03 PM
I don’t want NOTHING DONE, but geez, lives are hanging in the balance here. If this goes as badly as everything is predicting, you better have a LOT of ammo and a LOT of guns. GET IT DONE, STOP THE PORK DEMS!
HornetSting on September 27, 2008 at 6:03 PM
HornetSting:
I already called my reps and I told them that I believed they had a duty to do what was necessary to avoid a major economic meltdown.
Now if that bothers you. I don’t much care. But I will say this, if you think that seeing a collapse is not a big deal then it really is not surprising to hear that most people prefer Democrats when it comes to economic issues. I think that is daft because I think Democrats have a lot to do with where we are right now, but most of them are not openly agitating for defeat of rescue bill.
I hope they take this ACORN stuff out, it should not be there, but at the same time the Democrats do have the majority and that is just a fact.
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 6:03 PM
Exactly, and in particular for the little gem signed into law in July, called the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008, which created the National Housing Trust Fund and the Capital Magnet Fund. The community activist groups pushing this legislation for years set up their own organization, The National Low Income Housing Coalition, to push this through, and their booklet of endorsements includes just about every Democratic politician nationwide, and every activist group in America, including ACORN, LaRaza, and Obama’s alma mater, the Chicago Community Development Corp.
These groups are slated to get a cut of the mortgages sold by Fannie and Freddie — the WSJ described it as “a new tax to create a permanent subsidy for state governments and political activists,” giving Dems the ability to “steer the cash toward some of their favorite political allies.”
Now that Fan and Fred are in conservatorship, the Dems are afraid their supporters won’t get quite as much money, so they’re tacking more onto this mess, just to be sure this election goes the way they planned.
Nichevo on September 27, 2008 at 6:05 PM
We are going to take our country back from these commie libs this could be the first shot fired. It will get very bad before it gets better.(No money for Obama group ACORN)
thmcbb on September 27, 2008 at 6:05 PM
No offense, Terrye, but you have been very conciliatory on this entire deal, including just giving 700 billion of OUR money to these jackals that caused the problem in the first place. I understand something has to be done, I just don’t want to pay for a bunch of welfare, liberal, democrat pet projects!
HornetSting on September 27, 2008 at 6:06 PM
Yes. Next question.
ManlyRash on September 27, 2008 at 6:07 PM
This might help:
Sound familiar to our current situation?
lorien1973 on September 27, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Not gonna happen. Keep an eye on Mac, though. If he votes for the pork project bill he will lose the election.
ManlyRash on September 27, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Latest from Politico. Hope Blunt comes back with reinforcements.
Wethal on September 27, 2008 at 6:10 PM
capitalist piglet:
Ask most people, they are blaming Republicans for this anyway. They just are. I am not saying it is right, but it is the truth..who do they blame more? McCAin or Obama. We know the answer to that.
The Democrats do not want to go alone because of the short term politics, for that reason they should strip this provision out…but since they know that if it works they can say We did it without the Republicans and if it doesn’t they can say We tried but Republican economics killed the economy anyway they probably feel like they can do pretty much what they want.
I am not justifying it, I am just saying we need a rescue plan or some kind of intervention to try and stave of disaster. That is what I care about the most.
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 6:10 PM
Look at the debate last night. I am wondering if they watched the same debate I watched? John McCain EXPLAINED why he does the things he does. Obama had not a clue on foreign policy. He was just spewing liberal talking points and stumbling on THAT!
The American Idol Society must be used to listening to bumbling idiots. This is the norm for them. They have NO CLUE about what is going on right now.
MSM will MAKE this repubs fault, regardless of what happens.
HornetSting on September 27, 2008 at 6:11 PM
The underlying causes still exist.
The people who caused the problem are the same ones writing the bill to fix it.
The people benefiting from the bill are the ones who made all the money before and during the crisis.
The honest people, those that pay their bills and live their lives within their means, are the ones that are being punished.
Yeah, I can see how this bill is a good idea.
lorien1973 on September 27, 2008 at 6:13 PM
lorien:
I do not know what you mean. I am sick of the idiotic bickering. We are facing a real problem here and people are talking about getting ammo and holding their ankles and now some psycho babble about abuse or some such crap.
Meanwhile I am thinking about bank failures.
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 6:14 PM
Then, Terrye we are on the same page. Just take off “the ornaments on the tree” and smash them on the floor.
HornetSting on September 27, 2008 at 6:14 PM
I haven’t liked this solution from the get go. Newt’s idea of loans, etc. seems to be just as effective and a far more practical solution to me.
In the interests of compromise (as partial concession, since there are details that are above my head) I could deal with the straight bailout… on the conditions that McCain put forward AND NOT A F**KING dime for ACORN or any of the other pork that the Dems have been ramming into this pig.
McCain is starting to piss me off with this. He made a strong showing last week under the pretense that he was going to sort this thing out and now appears to be MIA.
McCain- get your ass to Congress or a podium, start naming names and gut this pig… or let Palin do it. She’s probably got her hunting knife handy.
If Congress passes this POS, they better be prepared for a Mad Max world. I have a feeling that I am not the only person on the right wing that is about ready to show liberals what a revolution is supposed to look like.
Damiano on September 27, 2008 at 6:15 PM
I’m right here with you, brother.
ManlyRash on September 27, 2008 at 6:16 PM
http://tinyurl.com/3h79hk GO FOR IT !!
Hey, all of my reps are Repubs, but I wanted my one email to add to their count, at least.
pambi on September 27, 2008 at 6:17 PM
You sound like an independent…one who cannot make up his mind. We are all on the same page, but some of us take personal responsibility for our lives and the lives of our families. We don’t depend on the government to feed and clothe us from cradle to grave.
And obviously you have no sense of humor.
HornetSting on September 27, 2008 at 6:17 PM
lorien:
They are going to be punished even more if they lose their jobs, their life savings and their pensions.
We do not have time for investigations and trials and new elections to replace the bad people and all that stuff. Or if that is the way you want to go, then just let it all go. Say to hell with a rescue plan.
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 6:17 PM
Dude, it was (the much reviled in these parts) Lindsay Graham who blew the whistle on ACORN, and it’s Mav who’s being blasted, with some help from the MSM, for “injecting presidential politics” into the negotiations when the Dems had their modified Paulson plan all tied up with a pretty bow. The big meeting blew up on Thursday when Bam-Bam asked Mav about the House Republicans, and Mav declined to say they would be controlled.
CK MacLeod on September 27, 2008 at 6:18 PM
I’m sorry if you don’t see the analogy. The same people who caused this problem are the ones who will get us out of it? How does this make sense, in any sense of the word.
I know you are stuck on “something” needing to be done; that’s fine if you believe that. Life would be so much easier if anyone just nodded a week ago and said “yes, glorious leaders, take 700 billion dollars from us, don’t fix the problem and take control of our lives further”
Yep. So much better.
lorien1973 on September 27, 2008 at 6:18 PM
Icalled the switch board and got through to the House Minority office and spoke to the secretary
Mercy4Me on September 27, 2008 at 6:19 PM
Hornet:
That has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. I have been taking care of myself since I was 17 years old. I am 57, divorced, I have a job and no children. I do not have a lot of money and I have never asked anyone for anything in my life.
I am just saying that they need to get a bill done. I would prefer that the ACORN nonsense was out of there. However, the Democrats are in the majority. That is not my fault. I was not one of those real true conservatives who sat on my ass in 2006, I actually went out and voted a straight Republican ticket for all the good it did me.
Now stop lecturing me.
Terrye on September 27, 2008 at 6:21 PM
Damiano on September 27, 2008 at 6:15 PM
See above: Mav’s working the phones. He’s basically told the rambunctious slumber-partying kids on Capitol Hill, “Don’t make me come back in here!” The Dems are afraid of several things right now. One of them is handing a political victory to McCain – which they could virtually guarantee by not compromising with the House Rs.
CK MacLeod on September 27, 2008 at 6:21 PM
I hope that happens. The Dems don’t want to take all the responsilibity for this bill, because if it works it just avoids collaspe and wont stop economic problems from persisting for some time anyway. Hence the bill will probably remain unpopular after its passage, and the Dems have good reason to make it a bipartisan effort.
phronesis on September 27, 2008 at 6:22 PM
If this plan is a rescue, I don’t want to be saved. Thanks.
There has not been an apocalypse, yet. Nor will there be.
I’m totally stunned that you agree to a plan that is not written, no one has explained, that will be passed before it can even be read and analyzed outside Washington, will be written by people who couldn’t see this coming in the first place, and written by people who caused the situation originally.
Talk about BOHICA.
lorien1973 on September 27, 2008 at 6:23 PM
The honest people will get punished severely in the comimg economic depression.
phronesis on September 27, 2008 at 6:24 PM
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