NRLC: We’re still waiting for Obama to apologize

posted at 5:40 pm on September 26, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

The National Right to Life Committee has a new television ad out today in which they demand an apology from Barack Obama for calling them liars. The NRLC uncovered documentation that refuted Obama’s contention that he voted against SB1082, the Illinois version of the Born Again Infant Protection Act because it didn’t have the same “neutrality clause” of the federal BAIPA that protected abortionists. When David Brody confronted Obama about it, he called the NRLC liars — but later had to admit they were correct:

Fact Check has a lengthy rundown of this issue from last month, which the NRLC quotes in this ad. While Fact Check thinks “infanticide” is a questionable term, they clearly state that Obama got this argument wrong, and that the NRLC was right in pointing out that the bill had the same neutrality clause as BAIPA:

The statement was still on Obama’s Web site as of this writing, Aug. 25, long after Obama had accused his detractors of “lying.” But Obama’s claim is wrong. In fact, by the time the HHS Committee voted on the bill, it did contain language identical to the federal act.

And therefore Obama lied about the NRLC.  Notice that nowhere in that Brody interview nor anywhere on his website does Obama defend the practice of abandoning infants born of abortion procedures to die, a practice which his vote helped to protect.  He never actually defends his vote, because it’s indefensible.  Obama instead relies on misdirection and lying about his critics in order to evade the question entirely.

Getting back to Fact Check’s queasiness over the use of the word “infanticide”, let’s see their argument against it:

Whether opposing “born alive” legislation is the same as supporting “infanticide,” however, is entirely a matter of interpretation. That could be true only for those, such as Obama’s 2004 Republican opponent, Alan Keyes, who believe a fetus that doctors give no chance of surviving is an “infant.” It is worth noting that Illinois law already provided that physicians must protect the life of a fetus when there is “a reasonable likelihood of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb, with or without artificial support.”

Excuse me, but any “fetus” delivered outside of the mother is an “infant” by definition. If alive, the infant should get medical attention.  Instead, as Jill Stanek testified (and as subsequent witnesses substantiated), these infants got abandoned to die in closets where others didn’t have to watch them slowly die of neglect.  The Attorney General told the legislature that the law didn’t prevent this from happening, and that the legislature needed to make the law more clear.  That’s why the legislature considered this bill on three separate occasions.  Obama voted against it all three times, and killed it in his committee in 2003.

The NRLC deserves an apology from Barack Obama for calling them liars.  Will they get it?  I wouldn’t advise them to hold their breath.  You can read more about this on the NRLC’s website, or in my previous posts on the subject:


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Quick call a corrupt, partisan, local district attorney to haul his ass in on libel charges.

jukin on September 26, 2008 at 5:42 PM

They will be waiting till the end of time for that.

tee866 on September 26, 2008 at 5:44 PM

It won’t change the MSM position or support for Obama.

But like his veep pick, he’ll say anything.

Kini on September 26, 2008 at 5:44 PM

Obama, not the sleazy Chicago politician we expected, he’s for CHANGE.

NOT READY TO LEAD

originalpechanga on September 26, 2008 at 5:44 PM

If you want to help get that burning house vid to go viral then go here

http://burninghouse.wikispaces.com/

ninjapirate on September 26, 2008 at 5:45 PM

Someone’s looking to be arrested by Obama’s brownshirts.

lorien1973 on September 26, 2008 at 5:45 PM

They’ll get that apology right after Obama runs his ad congratulating McCain for winning the nomination.

MayBee on September 26, 2008 at 5:46 PM

Yes he is sorry that you are upset…now move along.
The MSM doesn’t care, so why should he?

right2bright on September 26, 2008 at 5:46 PM

If he’s willing to vote for infanticide, we can safely assume he’s got no conscience left to worry about lying.

TexasDan on September 26, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Ed,

Might want to resize the pic on the homepage.

Karl on September 26, 2008 at 5:47 PM

This would be a huge story if it was Palin. I’m disgusted by the MSM

lodge on September 26, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Thank you. Please hit him hard on this.

Loxodonta on September 26, 2008 at 5:48 PM

They keep waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and….

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 26, 2008 at 5:48 PM

“Truth Squads” of volunteer sheriffs and prosecuting lawyers in Missouri.

Threats of legal action made by phone to TV stations in Ohio if they run the NRA ad.

What kind of Big Brother BS is going on?

silverfox on September 26, 2008 at 5:49 PM

Dear NRLC:

Good luck with that apology thing.

johnsteele on September 26, 2008 at 5:50 PM

What kind of Big Brother BS is going on?

silverfox on September 26, 2008 at 5:49 PM

Don’t forget the platoon of thugs threatening people who register Republican. What were they called again?

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 26, 2008 at 5:50 PM

*channeling the Drive-Bys*

Nothing to see here, folks. These kooks are liars who want to control your ovaries. Move along…move along. Hey look…Entertainment Tonite is on!

ManlyRash on September 26, 2008 at 5:51 PM

If the infant born alive from an unsuccessful abortion were a caribou or moose, and Gov Palin was the one attempting to kill that caribou or moose offspring, you could bet that Obama would be in favor of saving them from ‘barbaric’ ‘Caribou Barbie’.

eaglewingz08 on September 26, 2008 at 5:51 PM

Don’t forget the platoon of thugs threatening people who register Republican. What were they called again?-Grue in the Attic on September 26, 2008 at 5:50 PM

Obama supporters.

ManlyRash on September 26, 2008 at 5:51 PM

awesome

Thus far, we have Obama
1. Calling the NRLC liars
2. Trying to get justice department to investigate a 527 group for a William Ayers ad
3. Trying to get criminal investigation (?) of the NRA
4. Blatantly lying about McCain and stem cells, which got Arlen Specter POd
5. Blatantly lying about a Dow Corning issue in PA, which got them POd

Could all of this bring PA home for McCain/Palin?

funky chicken on September 26, 2008 at 5:52 PM

Meanwhile, over at LGF, we have the usual media double standard.

Mr_Magoo on September 26, 2008 at 5:52 PM

Don’t forget the platoon of thugs threatening people who register Republican. What were they called again?

Were those the Obamacans he said he wanted?

AubieJon on September 26, 2008 at 5:52 PM

Whoa! Barry’s bustin’ out of margin.

His disproportionately large photo makes him look like some kind of elitist.

Better than us.

Dorvillian on September 26, 2008 at 5:52 PM

How does Obama sleep at night?

Does Obama even have a conscience?

Elizabetty on September 26, 2008 at 5:52 PM

Hmm….

Time for lawyers to issue Cease and Desist letters threatening the FCC licenses of stations airing this ad.

ClintACK on September 26, 2008 at 5:52 PM

Time for lawyers to issue Cease and Desist letters threatening the FCC licenses of stations airing this ad. – ClintACK on September 26, 2008 at 5:52 PM

In 5…4…3…

ManlyRash on September 26, 2008 at 5:53 PM

Whoa! Barry’s bustin’ out of margin.

His disproportionately large photo makes him look like some kind of elitist.

Better than us.

Dorvillian on September 26, 2008 at 5:52 PM

Picture is fixed now, no longer funny.

Dorvillian on September 26, 2008 at 5:54 PM

They know that an apology will never come, but it’s a handy way to keep this issue alive, especially with evangelicals.

Bishop on September 26, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Too bad Barry’s mama was “punished with a babeh”.

AubieJon on September 26, 2008 at 5:56 PM

Someone’s looking to be arrested by Obama’s brownshirts.

lorien1973 on September 26, 2008 at 5:45 PM

Any thoughts on why the Obama Truth Squads story is not getting more airplay?
__________

RJGatorEsq. on September 26, 2008 at 5:57 PM

Hey, how come you’re quoting “FactCheck.org”.. After their false attack on the NRA ads, it’s pretty clear that they are just another bunch of lefty-partisans in drag.

Before one looks at any of this stuff, one needs to follow the money. FactCheck gets money from the Annenberg Foundation which funds Handgun Control aka The Brady Center.

This an old game. The leftys take over some foundation. It gives money to some pretend academics or “non-partisans” (that means not affiliated with a political party) who publish some position paper. Of course the paper is slanted the way the people giving the money want it to be. The people who have journalism degrees instead of brains, publish those “studies” as fact and the lefty politicians legislate based on this concoction of deception.

FactCheck.Org is one of those groups, it needs to be flushed, not quoted.

CrazyGene on September 26, 2008 at 5:58 PM

So how many “untruths” does this make for the messiah?

anniekc on September 26, 2008 at 6:01 PM

Any thoughts on why the Obama Truth Squads story is not getting more airplay?
__________

RJGatorEsq. on September 26, 2008 at 5:57 PM

An Orwellian media.

lorien1973 on September 26, 2008 at 6:02 PM

CrazyGene on September 26, 2008 at 5:58 PM

Factcheck.org got it wrong on the NRA ad, but they’ve otherwise been pretty good; they’ve not ignored Obama’s lies and and distortions the way the MSM has.

Hollowpoint on September 26, 2008 at 6:02 PM

I believe then… that Obama MUST be arrested if he sets foot in Missouri again?

Skywise on September 26, 2008 at 6:03 PM

So how many “untruths” does this make for the messiah?

anniekc on September 26, 2008 at 6:01 PM

For Obama, there are no truths, so there can be no untruths.

Nuance.

Loxodonta on September 26, 2008 at 6:04 PM

Commentary you can laugh with…

Kini on September 26, 2008 at 6:05 PM

Don’t forget the platoon of thugs threatening people who register Republican. What were they called again?

BrownBarryshirts.

BillH on September 26, 2008 at 6:06 PM

How does Obama sleep at night?

On his back, usually. And very, very soundly.

Does Obama even have a conscience?

No. Next question.

ManlyRash on September 26, 2008 at 6:07 PM

Good counter-punch.

Spirit of 1776 on September 26, 2008 at 6:07 PM

Oh yeah, forgot….

HOPENCHANJE!!!!

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on September 26, 2008 at 6:08 PM

This ad is factual, but it made me *yawn* like no other.

It's Vintage, Duh on September 26, 2008 at 6:15 PM

Hopenchanje, Grue? I think you might have eaten something that didn’t agree with you.

thekingtut on September 26, 2008 at 6:21 PM

I’d like to point out that Rywall, Shipley, et al., never seem to chime in on threads like this? What gives boys? Cat got your tongue? No defense for the One on this? He is your guy right? He is going to make everything all better for all Americans, right? Right? Even infants born alive…Right?

JAM on September 26, 2008 at 6:22 PM

“Enough…I say enough! You’re all so mean! I’m going to tell my wife that ya’all are picken’ on me!”

“Honey…call my personal security forces out on those liars!”

BHO

Over.

1GooDDaDDy on September 26, 2008 at 6:23 PM

When the MSM is part of the left wing of the democratic party what do you expect. Obama would have toast a long time ago if they would just do a little real reporting.

duff65 on September 26, 2008 at 6:26 PM

Call out the Truth Squad! Oh, He IS the Truth Squad!

unclesmrgol on September 26, 2008 at 6:29 PM

awesome

Thus far, we have Obama
1. Calling the NRLC liars
2. Trying to get justice department to investigate a 527 group for a William Ayers ad
3. Trying to get criminal investigation (?) of the NRA
4. Blatantly lying about McCain and stem cells, which got Arlen Specter POd
5. Blatantly lying about a Dow Corning issue in PA, which got them POd

Could all of this bring PA home for McCain/Palin?

funky chicken on September 26, 2008 at 5:52 PM

Ummm… you’re forgetting some:

6. Anyone from his campaign who personally attacks a candidate/ family is fired:
Waiting on terminations for:
- Howard Gutman
and since he’s the head of the DNC
- Carol Fowler
- Alcee Hastings
- Michelle Obama

7. Apology for mocking McCain’s injuries in the email ad and lying about his ability to use email

8. Apology for accusing the RNC of engaging in racially based attacks without any evidence of such attacks

9. Issuing a formal correction for his and his campaigns lies about how his relationship with Bill Ayres (guy in the neighborhood, elementary school girls go to school with Ayres adult children, etc.)

10. Issuing a formal correction for his and his campaigns lies about how his relationship with Tony Rezco (some guy he was assigned 5 hours of legal paperwork for)

11. Lying about Raines’ relationship to his campaign

… we could go on for weeks like this.

Damiano on September 26, 2008 at 6:37 PM

FactCheck needs to know that there is NOT a law requiring medical care for viable infants born alive – only a law requiring an abortionist to have another physician on hand to care for the child who survives an abortion if the abortionist has already ruled that the child is viable AND if the abortionist doesn’t say the abortion is an emergency.

In the unlikely event that the abortionist has another doctor on hand, THAT doctor is required to care for the baby if it is born alive. The abortionist isn’t required to do a dang thing.

BUT nobody in the IL legal system can initiate an investigation or prosecute anything civil or criminal regarding any of this, as per the Herbst-O’Malley legal agreement of 1993. So it makes no difference if a law in on the books anyway – lawyers made sure that the law could never be enforced. Only a NEW law can ever be enforced – even for full-term infants – and Obama made sure there wasn’t a new law.

justincase on September 26, 2008 at 6:54 PM

I just e-mailed the author of the FactCheck article and explained why she was wrong as per Herbst-O’Malley, asking her to correct the article. We’ll see if she does.

justincase on September 26, 2008 at 7:06 PM

As I have mentioned before, the idea that the doctor should judge whether the newborn has a chance to survive presents a grave conflict of interest.

If the child dies as was planned, all is well. No legal issues assuming it was his call. If he provides some aid and it lives, he could be liable for a wrongful birth lawsuit.

Sick situation.

OBQuiet on September 26, 2008 at 7:17 PM

makes me very angry

custer on September 26, 2008 at 7:28 PM

Listen to the last few seconds..its sounds like they call him LowBama.

malkinmania on September 26, 2008 at 7:32 PM

Obama is a Marxist and a Democrat . . . lying, obfuscation and vile subterfuge are all part of his political strategy and personal value system. The man is an extreme danger to the Republic.

rplat on September 26, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Get abortion survivor Gianna out there at every event in October. Make October Gianna-fest instead of Octoberfest.

Mojave Mark on September 26, 2008 at 8:21 PM

he’s clobbered on this one but i doubt many will care about it…

abortion is not as strong an issue as it once was

Drunk Report on September 26, 2008 at 9:31 PM

Yeah, I don’t know about ‘infanticide’ either. As reprehensible as that bill (and OBama’s defense of it) was/is, to me “infanticied” means the willful goal of destroying *all* infants, not just those associated with live birth abortions.

‘Genocide’ isn’t about killing ‘some’ of a particular group, it’s about attempting and wanting to kill them ‘all’.

Same with ‘infanticide’, imo.

Midas on September 26, 2008 at 9:46 PM

I’m watching Hannity and Colmes right now and have you ever noticed how much more classy and clean cut the crowd is? The girls whom I’m guessing are students look great!

Winebabe on September 26, 2008 at 11:54 PM

Okay, the video says it is no longer available. As with all else big brother Obama squashes freedom of speech.

petunia on September 27, 2008 at 12:47 AM

What’s with the video being missing?

TTheoLogan on September 27, 2008 at 12:51 AM

I stopped lending any credence to Factcheck when I discovered that they’re an Annenberg creation.

Midas – “cide” means kill, not kill-em-all. Insecticide is bug-killing. Herbicide is plant-killing.

Infanticide is baby-killing…even if it’s only one.

Godefroi on September 27, 2008 at 8:05 AM

NRLC, what a bunch of racists.

Hening on September 27, 2008 at 9:30 AM

Justin, the consent decree enjoined Section 6(2)(a) “only to extent that section 6(2)(a) requires physicians to describe basis for judgment that medical emergency existed”. It didn’t eliminate the other provisons which mandated medical care.

jim m on September 27, 2008 at 12:07 PM

Ed–can you post a link to your backup for this statement: “The Attorney General told the legislature that the law didn’t prevent this from happening, and that the legislature needed to make the law more clear.”

That’s not what I understand the facts to me.

jim m on September 27, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Video’s gone

Viewtifulgare on September 27, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Good one, FactCheck. Not quite as bad as confusing the meaning of the word “is”, but close.

Ryan Gandy on September 28, 2008 at 2:07 PM