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Just a reminder: House GOP can’t block a bailout bill

posted at 9:40 am on September 26, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Speaker Nancy Pelosi has the plenary power to bring a bill to the floor of the House, and no parliamentary procedure can help a minority to block a majority will to pass it.  That’s one fact that has to be remembered while Pelosi and Barney Frank blame the House GOP over the collapse of the bailout bill:

“I didn’t know I was going to be the referee for an internal G.O.P. ideological civil war,” Mr. Frank said, according to The A.P.Thursday, in the Roosevelt Room after the session, the Treasury secretary, Henry M. Paulson Jr., literally bent down on one knee as he pleaded with Nancy Pelosi, the House Speaker, not to “blow it up” by withdrawing her party’s support for the package over what Ms. Pelosi derided as a Republican betrayal.

“I didn’t know you were Catholic,” Ms. Pelosi said, a wry reference to Mr. Paulson’s kneeling, according to someone who observed the exchange. She went on: “It’s not me blowing this up, it’s the Republicans.”

Mr. Paulson sighed. “I know. I know.”

If Pelosi has her entire caucus in line to support the Paulson plan, then she has the vote to pass it.  Some estimates have as many as 50 Republicans ready to support the plan in defiance of Boehner.  If that’s true, Pelosi could lose all of her Blue-Dog Democrats and still pass the bill.

So why not just call a vote?  Pelosi doesn’t want to get married to George Bush, that’s why.  She wants to spread the political risk and get consensus on a bailout plan so that the responsibility for any failure doesn’t rest solely on her shoulders, at least in the House.  Both Pelosi and Harry Reid wanted John McCain to deliver both GOP caucuses to cover their own butts on the bailout bill, and McCain — at least thus far — hasn’t convinced Boehner to do so.

It appears that Reid has enough Republicans on board to survive a filibuster.  George Bush will happily sign the bill as soon as he gets it from Capitol Hill.  Pelosi could deliver that bill with plenty of votes to spare simply by scheduling a vote.  She lacks the courage to do so.  That’s not the fault of the House GOP.

Update (AP): All of this is true but it’s also why McCain’s going to take the blame if they can’t pass it. Pelosi doesn’t need votes, she needs political cover; Maverick can’t give her the former but, as the GOP’s nominee, he can singlehandedly give her the latter by endorsing the deal. If he doesn’t, the consequences will be laid at his feet.


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They don’t want it to be a Bush-Obama bill. It’ll ruin their McSame theme.

Aristotle on September 26, 2008 at 9:43 AM

Reid and Peloser are the most corrupt leadership of Congress in our nation’s history. How can you remove a cancer if the American electorate keeps putting thieves like this in control of our financial futures?

volsense on September 26, 2008 at 9:43 AM

Bush to speak live about breakdown in negotiations:

JiangxiDad on September 26, 2008 at 9:44 AM

If that link doesn’t work, go here and look for headline in gold.

JiangxiDad on September 26, 2008 at 9:45 AM

Would it be to much to ask Paulson not to act like an a**hole?

BigD on September 26, 2008 at 9:45 AM

DeMint
Flake
Boehner
Jindal
Palin
Hensarling
Thompson

This refrain is the only thing that gets me through the day when I think too much about the tools running our nation right now.

Flyover Country on September 26, 2008 at 9:46 AM

C’mon Naintcee. Between you, Harry Reid and OBambi, there’s not enough gumption to do anything. Bahney Fwank could beat you all with one fist up his ___!

AubieJon on September 26, 2008 at 9:46 AM

After all the sweating and hand-wringing, I’m honestly still a little on the fence here myself. A very large part of me is screaming “LET THEM CRASH AND BURN,” after all, I didn’t hear ANYONE offering to bail me out when my business took a little downturn and my bills loomed.

On the other hand, if we can pad the system until it grows a little stronger (which is the intention, at least until the Dums started adding funding for ACORN and other assorted felgercarb), well is that so bad? The downside here is it will just make it worse for a longer period, or at least make the crash come harder later.

Oh well, might actually be good for me to have the economy in the tank, as folks will pay me to keep the old cars going instead of buying new ones.

JamesLee on September 26, 2008 at 9:47 AM

I knew they weren’t sure of this bill when they HAD to have the House Republicans. The Dems have a pretty large minority but don’t want to take the blame.

Cindy Munford on September 26, 2008 at 9:48 AM

Pelosi doesn’t need votes, she needs political cover;

What can she offer. Scalps?

JiangxiDad on September 26, 2008 at 9:48 AM

All of this is true but it’s also why McCain’s going to take the blame if they can’t pass it.

Bush will take the blame if they can’t pass it. McCain’s not the president yet.

BigD on September 26, 2008 at 9:48 AM

If that link doesn’t work, go here and look for headline in gold.

JiangxiDad on September 26, 2008 at 9:45 AM

sorry. seems Fox has taken the link down.

JiangxiDad on September 26, 2008 at 9:49 AM

Dow is off only 100 or so in early trading. This can wait until next week to get done. Republicans have the cards her because Pelosi wants the cover. If they hold out for a better deal for the taxpayer they will be the heroes. it’s high stakes poker but I believe the Republicnas are much closer to whete the vast majority of Americans are on this.

rockmom on September 26, 2008 at 9:49 AM

I hope McCain has his economic principles straight and not support this bailout.
Have Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and Bush tied to this. That would oppose what Obama is saying, “Third Bush term.”
Anyway, away from the political, this bill is supremely bad. Don’t pass a bill for the sake of passing a bill.

jencab on September 26, 2008 at 9:49 AM

she needs political cover

What she needs, is to do her job. If she believes this is the right plan, she should make it happen. Didn’t we hire these people to lead our country?

But no, they can only lead if they won’t be blamed for their actions?

Esthier on September 26, 2008 at 9:50 AM

For anyone who needs reassurance apart from Newt and Morris (yeah, I know… Morris is a tool)…

LISTEN TO CAVUTO, HE IS THE VOICE OF REASON

Damiano on September 26, 2008 at 9:50 AM

Anyway, away from the political, this bill is supremely bad. Don’t pass a bill for the sake of passing a bill.

jencab on September 26, 2008 at 9:49 AM

Amen! It doesn’t even qualify as a bandaid.

AubieJon on September 26, 2008 at 9:51 AM

What cathedral is that gargoyle on?

Akzed on September 26, 2008 at 9:51 AM

Political COVER???

That means she doesn’t have the BALLS to stand up and do what she thinks is right?

Get the wax out of her ears and LISTEN to Boehner…

Nancy, BE THE SPEAKER and do what is right.

originalpechanga on September 26, 2008 at 9:52 AM

speak live..

JiangxiDad on Sept 26,2008 at 9:44AM.

JiangxiDad: JD,I was listening to Glen Beck,when President
Bush spoke,and I had it on ABC News,I might
be wrong,but it looked like they didn’t show
him speaking,but at the same time I heard him
talking on the radio!

Republicans need to take charge today,and
control the message!:)

canopfor on September 26, 2008 at 9:52 AM

It’s amazing how the press is spinning this.

blue13326 on September 26, 2008 at 9:53 AM

Why is it that Democrats want to be in charge yet when they are they act like beaten dogs?

drjohn on September 26, 2008 at 9:54 AM

Wachovia in the headlights now.

JiangxiDad on September 26, 2008 at 9:54 AM

What I want to see is for all those who are in favor of passing this BS to put their jobs where their mouths are. I want a time frame as to how soon this will turn the economy around. If it’s not turned around by that time, all the AssHoles in favor of this BS, must step down from their positions in Congress & Senate.

BENCHMARKS!!!

PappaMac on September 26, 2008 at 9:54 AM

Damiano on September 26, 2008 at 9:53 AM

Poor grenade.

AubieJon on September 26, 2008 at 9:54 AM

This is turning into a meltdown hour by hour.

pilamaye on September 26, 2008 at 9:55 AM

LISTEN TO CAVUTO, HE IS THE VOICE OF REASON

Damiano on September 26, 2008 at 9:50 AM

I trust his judgment too.

JiangxiDad on September 26, 2008 at 9:55 AM

No matter what the Republicans do or don’t do, the MSM will demonize the Republicans. That’s what they do.

Loxodonta on September 26, 2008 at 9:55 AM

Might be good for a quick mass education program on what ACORN is and does. I doubt most voters know.

a capella on September 26, 2008 at 9:55 AM

Now why would the most ethical congress, evah, need to hide behind the House Minority party?

DaveC on September 26, 2008 at 9:56 AM

McCain won’t “take the blame” for anything …. the Internet and the people are on fire over this political sham.

Let’s roll.

ex-Democrat on September 26, 2008 at 9:56 AM

Republicans need to take charge today,and
control the message!:)

canopfor on September 26, 2008 at 9:52 AM

Agreed, but I assume you don’t mean the WH. That being said, did you happen to catch what he was saying?

JiangxiDad on September 26, 2008 at 9:57 AM

If this doesn’t remove all doubt that Obama is a completely clueless puppet, then the future of our country is in more trouble than just the bailout.

volsense on September 26, 2008 at 9:57 AM

Just keep that fiddle music playing…

While Rome Burns.

Dorvillian on September 26, 2008 at 9:57 AM

Bush will take the blame if they can’t pass it. McCain’s not the president yet.

Blaming Bush accomplishes nothing for the Democrats. Blaming McCain does.

Allahpundit on September 26, 2008 at 9:58 AM

Update (AP): All of this is true but it’s also why McCain’s going to take the blame if they can’t pass it. Pelosi doesn’t need votes, she needs political cover; Maverick can’t give her the former but, as the GOP’s nominee, he can singlehandedly give her the latter by endorsing the deal. If he doesn’t, the consequences will be laid at his feet

.

So where’s Obama in all this discussion? Why isn’t his endorsement critical to passage?

highhopes on September 26, 2008 at 9:59 AM

Does Barack Obama really want a televised debate with McCain on the economy, and the bailout bill tonight? If he does want that, he’s not so bright.

RBMN on September 26, 2008 at 10:00 AM

BUZZ IT UP, FOLKS.

AubieJon on September 26, 2008 at 10:01 AM

Isn’t the Democrats who screamed about the Iraq War:

- We rushed in without ALL THE INTELLIGENCE

Now they want to RUSH IN with this $700b thing?

Crazy world we live in – just crazy.

jake-the-goose on September 26, 2008 at 10:02 AM

as long as the sheeple watch the pmsnbc and the mainstream news no one will ever care.

grapeknutz on September 26, 2008 at 10:02 AM

Blaming Bush accomplishes nothing for the Democrats. Blaming McCain does.

Allahpundit on September 26, 2008 at 9:58 AM

I think they will blame it on Sarah Palin’s inexperience.

In all seriousness, the Democrats may blame McCain. But I don’t think the rest of the world will see it that way. Bush and Paulson are leading this thing.

BigD on September 26, 2008 at 10:04 AM

They don’t need Boehner to pass it. They definitely don’t need McCain to pass it – he’s not even in that chamber.

I don’t see how Pelosi can blame anybody if she has the power to bring it to a vote right now.

forest on September 26, 2008 at 10:05 AM

McCain is providing leadership while the dems try to provide cover.

Religious_Zealot on September 26, 2008 at 10:05 AM

as long as the sheeple watch the pmsnbc and the mainstream news no one will ever care.

grapeknutz on September 26, 2008 at 10:02 AM

I can only stomach Fox News on this –

I told my husband if I switched channels (like I usually do just to see how biased they are) I would go all Elvis and take out my .357 and blow the TV into next week.

tru2tx on September 26, 2008 at 10:09 AM

We’re sunk. Atlas Shrugged should be leaping off the shelves right now.

fossten on September 26, 2008 at 10:10 AM

WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE!

Oh wait…that was yesterday. What’s the line today?

Bishop on September 26, 2008 at 10:11 AM

Didn’t McCain go to Washington because:

Now is the time to come together, Democrats and Republicans, in the spirit of cooperation on behalf of the American people,” he said.

Well, prior to his return to the city, that’s EXACTLY what was going on. Democrats and Republicans were making progress on a compromise that was acceptable (barely) to both.

Then yesterday’s election-year dog-and-pony show fiasco that McCain called for blew that up.

Yes, Democrats can pass the bail out without Republican support, and it just may come to that.

Republicans pushing their alternate plan are being disingenuous. They know it has zero chance of passing through Congress, and instead of working with the Dems (as they were before McCain swooped in to make a deal), they’ll undermining the deal.

McCain’s “leadership” move has brought chaos to a process that was moving ahead in a quietly bi-partisan manner. It’s had the opposite affect of the stated goal. He’s done nothing but hinder the process and exposing himself as a leader who will make knee-jerk, rash decisions that help no one.

Tom_Shipley on September 26, 2008 at 10:11 AM

According to AP its Palins fault.

Fuquay Steve on September 26, 2008 at 10:11 AM

McCain is showing tremendous leadership on this issue. He is a Fiscal Conservative, or so I’ve been told. He knows this is a BS bill. He will get more traction with the Conservative Base if he sticks to his guns on this.

Peloise isn’t showing much leadership when she can’t reach across the aisle and bring all those mean ol’ republicans to vote in favor of this BS bill. Maybe she should use a little diplomacy and give the Repubs a little some’n, some’n.

PappaMac on September 26, 2008 at 10:11 AM

Senator Corker from TN on Fox News for all intents and purposes said that McCain was at fault in regards to this.

Jdripper on September 26, 2008 at 10:12 AM

I called one of my Senators and couldn’t get through to the other. I told them that I am furious about the ACORN earmark and that I like to keep my support of thugs to the actuals people I voted to put into Congress. That was rude. Why do Democrats to this. I was probably Switzerland on this bail out until I hear this stuff.

Cindy Munford on September 26, 2008 at 10:12 AM

The time for ‘being principled’ was the Contract with America.

Got ya by the short hairs, now.

The liberalism we know and love. It spends half its time making messes, the other half of its time instructing us to believe liberalism is blameless for the creation of them.

The only solution is more of the people’s money. Of course.

Perception is reality. I blame gub’mint schools.

locomotivebreath1901 on September 26, 2008 at 10:12 AM

fossten on September 26, 2008 at 10:10 AM

I was thinking that just last night..

instead of Trains and transportation.. it’s Credit and Banking..

DaveC on September 26, 2008 at 10:12 AM

The day began with an agreement that Washington hoped would end the financial crisis that has gripped the nation.

Uh…no..

The day began with another lie by the democrats and their propagandists in the news media. . .

rockhauler on September 26, 2008 at 10:12 AM

Update (AP):

Which is why more Hill Republicans need to be very vocal about Pelosi’s and Frank’s role in all this, and how they caused and continue to cause the problem. McCain and the House GOP blind sided Pelosi and the Dems. on the energy issue, they can do it here too. If Pelosi can be exposed enough she will back down out of fear that her black eye would start to hurt Obama’s chances in Nov.; and that might give McCain and the GOP the room they need for a more responsible solution.

Weight of Glory on September 26, 2008 at 10:12 AM

This whole credit bailout drama is a perfect example of the battle between socialist and capitalism.

It is government vs. freedom.

If the Republicans in the House do not vote for the plan, then Pelosi and the Dems plus a few R’s can pass this anyway and then it becomes the Pelosi/Bush bill. The Dems are chickens on this.

My opinion: Republicans stand firm until the bill has provisions to prevent this from happening again, and get the socialist stuff out of it. The goal should be to help liquidity without bailing all these losers out.

If those provisions are not added of fixed, then let the Dems pass it as is with Bush. Yes, you risk losing the election and votes, but you must stand on this one and force the Dems to take ownership for something that is clearly wrong that cannot later be pinned on the Republican Party. The election be damned. At this point, you must look further down the road. McCain made the right move. If he loses the election due to this economy/credit issue, then American GETS WHAT IT DESERVES.

Sapwolf on September 26, 2008 at 10:12 AM

It appears that the American public is awakening to the facts surrounding the bailout and everyone should see the reality of it.

Since FDR Demoncrats have been pushing us towards socialism. Their focus has been to create a dependent public. Over the years Demoncrates created the Federal Reserve that created false hopes that the Government is the only one that you need to trust.

The Federal Reserve took the promise that if you wanted you could get an actual measure of gold in your hands if you surrendered a piece of paper that we call a dollar. They replaced it with a promisary note that all you could get when you surrendered that same piece of paper were words – “Trust U.S.”

Now that the public is becoming aware of the shame played on them they are calling the Demoncrates on the carpet and they do not like it. They defame Republicans and the public as uniformed, racist, or any other slander that they will not let you call them, as the PC police. If you don’t like what they are doing to solve the problems they created, their response is elitist at best and dictatorial at worse – “Trust U.S.” The question is, should you or why?

It is time to make government to rewrite their ‘Mission Statement’. To do that, start with the Constitution to determine what the responsibilities of the various levels of government are and not to stray or create responsibilities that do not exist.

I surrender the remainder of my time.

MSGTAS on September 26, 2008 at 10:13 AM

He’s done nothing but hinder the process and exposing himself as a leader who will make knee-jerk, rash decisions that help no one.

Tom_Shipley on September 26, 2008 at 10:11 AM

Uh, I think it is the Dems that are making knee-jerk, rash decisions.

I kinda have the feeling that the Dems want to sweep this under the rug as soon as possible, to cover their collective asses.

PappaMac on September 26, 2008 at 10:14 AM

Tom_Shipley on September 26, 2008 at 10:11 AM

Sorry but this bill has too much junk in it and I don’t see how you can complain about a man doing the job he is paid to do. Also, why wouldn’t both candidates want to be involved since the implementation of this bill will largely be done in the candidates new administration.

Cindy Munford on September 26, 2008 at 10:15 AM

Career before country…God bless our bottom feeding Congress!

repvoter on September 26, 2008 at 10:15 AM

WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE!

Oh wait…that was yesterday. What’s the line today?

Bishop on September 26, 2008 at 10:11 AM

WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE BROKE!

SlimyBill on September 26, 2008 at 10:16 AM

From Paul Mirengoff at Powerline:

(Sorry for posting from another blog — I hope that is not off limits)

Their argument is that Congress was on the verge of a deal until McCain entered the picture and caused Republican House members to block it. The problems with this script are several. First, there is no evidence that House Republicans were ever on board with any deal. Second, the support of House Republicans is not needed to pass bailout legislation. The Democrats control the House.

The Democrats counter the second point by saying that a majority of House Dems won’t support a deal unless House Republicans provide “cover.” But this argument raises more questions than it answers. First, it is a serious condemnation of House Dems (too gutless to do what they think is right, even in the face of a potential economic meltdown). Second it is a serious condemnation of Nancy Pelosi (too ineffective to whip her troops into line even in the face of a potential economic meltdown). Third, it casts serious doubt on the wisdom of the deal that McCain is falsely accused of scuttling. If the deal made sense, House Dems wouldn’t believe they need “cover” from House Republicans.

Fourth, the “cover” argument shows what a non-factor Obama is in all of this.

BigD on September 26, 2008 at 10:16 AM

Some one needs to u-tube a video of Obama scrambling for his limo–boarding his jet—-and running out of a “Washington” he thought he knew. I hope Obama asked G.W. if he could see that “chair” he will never sit in.

Rovin on September 26, 2008 at 10:16 AM

Well, prior to his return to the city, that’s EXACTLY what was going on.

You would believe that, Tom, but in order to do so you’d have to ignore the news of the past few days.

Esthier on September 26, 2008 at 10:16 AM

What bank is John Kerrys’ money in? That’s where your money needs to be.

BobMbx on September 26, 2008 at 10:16 AM

Its a great time for GOPers to demand a clean bill with a drop in taxes, no ACORN and no other cash for criminals BS.

Get’em by the short hairs and don’t let go till the bill is signed by the Pres.

Speakup on September 26, 2008 at 10:17 AM

Didn’t McCain go to Washington because:

Now is the time to come together, Democrats and Republicans, in the spirit of cooperation on behalf of the American people,” he said.

Well, prior to his return to the city, that’s EXACTLY what was going on. Democrats and Republicans were making progress on a compromise that was acceptable (barely) to both.

Tom_Shipley on September 26, 2008 at 10:11 AM

Incorrect. Several senators said on camera that there was no deal, that any mention of that was nothing but a lie.

Then yesterday’s election-year dog-and-pony show fiasco that McCain called for blew that up.

Are you able to post without your flaming rhetoric? It’s a whole bunch of nothing.

Yes, Democrats can pass the bail out without Republican support, and it just may come to that.

This begs the question – why haven’t they yet? Duh!

Republicans pushing their alternate plan are being disingenuous. They know it has zero chance of passing through Congress, and instead of working with the Dems (as they were before McCain swooped in to make a deal), they’ll undermining the deal.

And you define “working with the Dems” as what, giving in and going along with their pork-laden piece of crap bill that gives 20% of the profits to ACORN and $51 million to Joe Biden pet projects? I guess that means you approve of the Democrats playing games with our country’s financial future.

McCain’s “leadership” move has brought chaos to a process that was moving ahead in a quietly bi-partisan manner. It’s had the opposite affect of the stated goal. He’s done nothing but hinder the process and exposing himself as a leader who will make knee-jerk, rash decisions that help no one.

You cannot possibly substantiate such a wild claim. Proof by assertion much?

fossten on September 26, 2008 at 10:17 AM

WOW no leadership at meeting today. Only staff! Just breaking. Reid and Pelosi to hold joint news conference.

Weight of Glory on September 26, 2008 at 10:17 AM

you don’t mean the WH..

JiangxiDad on Sept 26,2008 at 9:57AM.

JianngiDad: No,not the White House,Team Mccain/Palin,
because thats who the Libs are going to go
after,election and all!

No,I still didn’t hear President Bush,I was
a bit occupied,checking to see if ABC was
going to show him!!

A tidbit,some guy on CoastoCoast,had a petition
to stop the bailout!

And some clown called in,and as he was a Liberal
he thinks President is trying to scare Americans
in the same manner as in the rush to war with
Iraq!!

Not my words,these people are BDS sick!!:)!

canopfor on September 26, 2008 at 10:18 AM

News conference with Harry Reid on bailout pending….

tru2tx on September 26, 2008 at 10:18 AM

Get out there first House and Senate GOP. Beat Reid and Pelosi to it. Hurry.

Weight of Glory on September 26, 2008 at 10:18 AM

Incorrect. Several senators said on camera that there was no deal, that any mention of that was nothing but a lie.

I didn’t say they had a deal. I said they were making progress on one.

Tom_Shipley on September 26, 2008 at 10:18 AM

Pelosi and Reid will allow a meltdown if they think they benefit from it in the short term. They are that craven.

Mr. Joe on September 26, 2008 at 10:18 AM

McCain’s “leadership” move has brought chaos to a process that was moving ahead in a quietly bi-partisan manner.

Tom_Shipley on September 26, 2008 at 10:11 AM

That sucks.

Washington always does good work when they’re quiet and bi-partisan…

[[[rolling_eyes/]]]

SlimyBill on September 26, 2008 at 10:18 AM

Obama is a textbook example that Dr. Freud would love to study.

Father left him. Grandmother raised him.

He went out and found a strong woman to take care of him and married her…ie.married his mother(grandmother).

Now Pelosi is making him her beatch.

Not surprising.

I can’t wait until he’s ‘president’.

cntrlfrk on September 26, 2008 at 10:20 AM

Pelosi knows her power… she’s just holding out for a higher price.

Romeo13 on September 26, 2008 at 10:21 AM

I didn’t say they had a deal. I said they were making progress on one.

Tom_Shipley on September 26, 2008 at 10:18 AM

You also said that McCain’s presence blew up the deal. That’s false on its face, and you know it.

fossten on September 26, 2008 at 10:21 AM

I didn’t say they had a deal. I said they were making progress on one.

Tom_Shipley on September 26, 2008 at 10:18 AM

Which is baseless.

Esthier on September 26, 2008 at 10:22 AM

OT, and I apologize for it–but has anyone been having problems accessing LGF, or is it just me on IE6?

irongrampa on September 26, 2008 at 10:23 AM

and you know it.

fossten on September 26, 2008 at 10:21 AM

You may be giving our resident troll too much credit here.

Esthier on September 26, 2008 at 10:23 AM

Pelosi and Reid press conference huh? Do you think anybody will ask them: “Nancy, why don’t you just bring it to a vote and pass it? You do have a solid majority. what’s the problem?”

I’ll bet the press just lets them stand there and blame McCain without even challenging them on obvious facts like the D majority in the House and the fact that McCain isn’t even a member of the House.

forest on September 26, 2008 at 10:23 AM

Obama plans to leave DC in 45 minutes to head for Mississippi.

Brave leadership there.

tru2tx on September 26, 2008 at 10:23 AM

When does America demand that politicians rise above their silly party lines and do the right thing. This really calls for a revolt of some kind.

fbcmusicman on September 26, 2008 at 10:25 AM

McCain’s “leadership” move has brought chaos to a process that was moving ahead in a quietly bi-partisan manner. It’s had the opposite affect of the stated goal. He’s done nothing but hinder the process and exposing himself as a leader who will make knee-jerk, rash decisions that help no one.

Tom_Shipley on September 26, 2008 at 10:11 AM

So you are saying that you agree with the bill as presented yesterday, you 100% feel that is the best bill that can be created.
Now tell me…what was in the bill?
Give me a 20 point list of the major items (over 100 items but I will just ask for your 20)
Oh, you don’t know??? You have no idea what is in the bill???
So you would take a bill, written and agreed upon by the same people who put us in this situation (and created in just a couple of days)…tell me, you aren’t a very astute business person are you?
Most major bills take months to put together…this one days, once again, supported by Franks,where was he the past 6 years?–Dodd, where was he the past 6 years?
Only one person ever presented a bill that is on the senate, that wanted to overhaul FM & FM, and that was McCain…you aren’t a very astute business person are you!

right2bright on September 26, 2008 at 10:25 AM

You may be giving our resident troll too much credit here.

Esthier on September 26, 2008 at 10:23 AM

No, I’ve read his posts. He’s not stupid. He’s a liar.

fossten on September 26, 2008 at 10:27 AM

right2bright on September 26, 2008 at 10:25 AM

Very well done.

fossten on September 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM

I’m anxiously awaiting the Reid, Pelosi news conference. Harry will whine, slobber and wet himself while Nancy gives us the open eyed Botox stare and inserts her foot in her mouth. They are both flaming idiots but yet, they are a fair comedy act.

rplat on September 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM

You also said that McCain’s presence blew up the deal. That’s false on its face, and you know it.

No, I stand by that fiercely. Progress was being made. You listen to Democrats AND Republicans prior to McCain suspending his campaign (and even just after he did) and they both said progress was being made. Republicans still had some big reservations, but more meetings were scheduled.

Then the White House meeting happened yesterday, and those negotiations suddenly had campaign politics interjected into them. McCain basically said nothing. Republicans backed away and started pushing a plan they KNOW has zero chance of passing a democratic controlled Congress. No one on either side knows how much election posturing is going on. The whole thing, to quote Drudge, broke down.

So, McCain, who said that a deal was necessary by Monday or we risk going into a Great Depression, help bring progress to a compromise to a halt. Bi-partisanship has gone out the window since his arrival. He threw a wrench into the process.

Great leadership, John.

Tom_Shipley on September 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM

I’ll bet the press just lets them stand there and blame McCain without even challenging them on obvious facts like the D majority in the House and the fact that McCain isn’t even a member of the House.

forest on September 26, 2008 at 10:23 AM

If we don’t get to the mics first, that is exactly what will happen. C’mon, elephants! Move! Move! Move!

Weight of Glory on September 26, 2008 at 10:30 AM

Tom_Shipley on September 26, 2008 at 10:18 AM

Sorry, I am not one of those fools who bought an adjustable mortgage only to find out I can’t pay for it. I want the best deal possible and I want all ideas on the table and I want someone looking out for me. But that obviously isn’t going to happen unless I stand up for myself. And I still don’t understand why you accuse John McCain of interference but will give Sen. Obama as pass of his apparent total lack of concern. But if we need him, just call. WTF?

Cindy Munford on September 26, 2008 at 10:32 AM

Why doesn’t Nancy just bring it to a vote?

She’s not playing politics with it is she?

forest on September 26, 2008 at 10:32 AM

Tom_Shipley on September 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM

Ooooo, you stand by that FIERCELY! Now I’m scared! Stop flattering yourself, you look like a fool.

Now you’re using correlation=causation to argue that it’s McCain’s fault.

Once again, your logic is flawed.

You FAIL again. As does your goddess Nancy Pelosi.

And please explain why this bill is such a good bill, considering that it’s peppered with earmarks.

fossten on September 26, 2008 at 10:32 AM

Great leadership, John.

Tom_Shipley on September 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM

And you place your faith in Dodd and Franks…we will take our John over these disgraceful idiots.
Now tell me, what in the past couple of years has Dodd and Franks done to make you such a believer?
When did Dodd and Franks inform us of this “meltdown”, seeing as they were chairman of the committees, they were elected to watch our economic interests.
Please tell us of your faith…it has to be faith, because facts would have them thrown in jail.

right2bright on September 26, 2008 at 10:33 AM

I posted this on another site, and I’m to lazy to type it again.

Republicans need to be on the media ASAP, because they are losing the spin war. The usual suspects, Reid, Pelosi etc.. are going to have a press conference.

Where are the republicans…crickets….

spypeach on September 26, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Tom_Shipley on September 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM

Sorry if you think 20% going to ACORN is “progress”, we aren’t playing for the same team. The American Public.

Cindy Munford on September 26, 2008 at 10:33 AM

What bank is John Kerrys’ money in? That’s where your money needs to be.

BobMbx on September 26, 2008 at 10:16 AM

His wife had/has a huge mulitmillion dollar stake in AIG–the insurer that was just bailed out by the gov’t. :)

JiangxiDad on September 26, 2008 at 10:34 AM

I think this is a ridiculously bad idea, but since it’s clearly going to happen, I suspect McCain will get all the boos if it doesn’t happen the way the Dems want it to. And Obama will get all the praise if it goes the other way.

Even though it’s clearly Congress and President Bush doing all the work.

Of course, it’s still awesome that Old Dude basically guilted The One into going back to DC and actually pretending to do his job. Judgement to lead, indeed.

mjk on September 26, 2008 at 10:35 AM

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