Debate #1 wrap-up; Update: Kissinger repudiates Obama
posted at 11:06 pm on September 26, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Given the uncertainty surrounding the presidential debate tonight, I wasn’t sure exactly what to expect. Both Barack Obama and John McCain have had to fly more than they expected in the last couple of days, and neither got a chance to focus on preparation, at least not to the extent they planned. I figured we’d see at least one major gaffe or breakdown from one of the candidates, and honestly, I wasn’t looking forward to seeing it.
However, I think both men did better than I expected. Neither seemed to show any effects from the hectic pace of the past week, and both appeared ready and relaxed at the start of tonight’s debate. I’d also include Jim Lehrer in that description, even though he had to rewrite part of his script to accommodate the economic crisis. Lehrer gave the debate a light touch as moderator, allowing the candidates plenty of space to talk and encouraging dialogue rather than speechmaking. It was perhaps one of the best presidential debates I’ve seen in this cycle, maybe the best.
With that said, McCain clearly got the best of Obama tonight. After a shaky couple of minutes to start the first question, McCain jabbed at Obama all night long — and he got Obama obviously flustered. While McCain kept his equanimity and never raised his tone or pitch, Obama got visibly upset, his voice pitched higher when responding to McCain, and Obama interrupted more. Obama also kept calling McCain “John” while McCain used the more proper “Senator Obama”, a difference that grated as the evening wore on.
Substantially, McCain also bested Obama on both economics and foreign policy. On the former, it was most apparent when Lehrer asked both candidates what they would cut as President after the bailout package passes. Obama could not bring himself to commit to one single cut, and instead talked about all of the funding he wanted to create for pet programs. McCain noted that he has long championed spending reductions and proposed a spending freeze on all but the most vital programs. When challenged on this point, Obama refused to say whether he would accept a freeze.
I did have a moment of frustration with McCain on the first question, a round I think Obama won. He never challenged Obama’s assumptions that the current credit crisis came from too little regulation. I kept expecting McCain to talk about the disaster of the Community Reinvestment Act, and the mandates from Congress that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac encourage bad lending by buying up bad paper. Instead, he tried to out-populist Obama, and Obama sounds more authentic as a populist.
On foreign policy, Obama did better than expected, but still fell short. I think his response on the decision to go into Iraq was quite good (even if I disagree with it), but he kept trying to argue that he didn’t demand a precipitous withdrawal in 2007 when the record clearly shows he did — and he beat Hillary to death with it in the primaries. McCain drew blood when he pointed out that for all of Obama’s talk about the priority of Afghanistan, he never once bothered to visit that front until last July, even though his Senate subcommittee has jurisdiction on NATO issues. Obama spluttered in response but never did explain why such an important theater wasn’t worth a single visit from him.
On Georgia, Russia, and eastern Europe, McCain proved himself the master of detailed foreign-policy thinking. While Obama talked briefly about the potential for NATO membership for Georgia and Ukraine and pledged to “rebuild Georgia’s economy”, McCain explained the geopolitical realities of the entire region, and Russia’s intentions for it.
If Obama expected the old man to be too tired to debate properly, he is surely disappointed tonight. McCain kept Obama on defense all night long, made Obama lose his composure, and maintained his own in a very presidential performance. This one is a clear win for McCain.
Update: Obama tried to twist out of the “no preconditions” statement by claiming that Henry Kissinger supported it. McCain openly scoffed at the notion, and for good reason — Kissinger didn’t say it:
Henry Kissinger believes Barack Obama misstated his views on diplomacy with US adversaries and is not happy about being mischaracterized. He says: “Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality.”
Either Obama lied, or he’s too inexperienced to understand what Kissinger said and actually meant.
One more point about Obama’s obfuscations about “preparations” as opposed to “preconditions”: he originally said that he would meet with Ahmadinejad, Castro, Kim, and Chavez in his first year in office:
QUESTION: In 1982, Anwar Sadat traveled to Israel, a trip that resulted in a peace agreement that has lasted ever since.
In the spirit of that type of bold leadership, would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?
COOPER: I should also point out that Stephen is in the crowd tonight.
Senator Obama?
OBAMA: I would. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them — which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration — is ridiculous.
How much “preparation” time would he have?
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That bracelet bit by Obama was really tacky.
rw on September 26, 2008 at 11:27 PM
If you’d love the independence of the American West, you’ll like McCain. If you’d love living in Paris or Manhattan, you’ll like Obama. It’s not exactly that stark, but it’s almost as yes or no as a litmus test.
RBMN on September 26, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Not only that, he confused the Republican Guard with Iran’s Rev. Guard. tonight And you shouldn’t feel sorry for Obama, he gone after Bush during the primaries for not being elegant enough and for making too many gaffes. Well isn’t it Ironic that during this presidential campaign him and Biden have made more gaffes than Bush has made in 8 years. The word Karma comes to mind.
Cr4sh Dummy on September 26, 2008 at 11:27 PM
By the way, did anyone else hear Obama say that we should give the Iraqis their country back? Does he believe that they aren’t a sovereign country or that we’re still occupiers?
NNtrancer on September 26, 2008 at 11:27 PM
I’m going out on a limb here. Dr. Krauthammer is very much pro-choice. I also suspect that he is a secularist. He could tolerate GWB because Dubya was pretty much a johnny-come-lately to the ‘born again’ scene and the sincerity of his religious conviction has always been a matter speculation.
Sarah Palin, on the other hand, is neither pro-choice nor a secularist. She truly believes in both the sanctity of life and the existence of God.
In my opinion, this rattles the estimable Dr. K and, in a bizarrely ironic twist, he has contracted the very condition he diagnosed – in this case, Palin Derangement Syndrome.
I predict it will get worse with time.
ManlyRash on September 26, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Like I said, I think they’ve outlived their usefulness. Not because of anything Luntz has done, but because the left has become so dishonest.
Connie on September 26, 2008 at 11:28 PM
O.K., I’ve tolerated Morris for the last year- he’s history now. The little freak. Everybody- e-mail FOX to get rid of Morris.
anniekc on September 26, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Obama is in trouble-Dick Morris thinks he won the debate.
Nelsa on September 26, 2008 at 11:28 PM
McCain really failed at hitting Obama and the Democrats hard on the financial crisis. That to me was the biggest disappointment. Overall, I give it to McCain. Unfortunately, I think too many people are being swayed by the deep sound of Obama’s voice, rather than by what he actually says.
aikidoka on September 26, 2008 at 11:28 PM
I actually thought that Obama was much more clear about things concerning the future. McCain was stuck talking about the past and places he has been.
Obama seemed more poised to me. I can’t stand the tongue thing that McCain does and his voice is like a whiny nasally nag.
That said, Obama is going to be in my state (town) Greensboro, NC tomorrow. I don’t know if McCain has been here in the last 6 months. I guess we aren’t important. Maybe I should go to the Obama headquarters to see if he wants my vote in NC.
ThackerAgency on September 26, 2008 at 11:28 PM
I wish someone would ask Obama what his foreign policy is with regard to Kenya.
Inquiring taxpayers want to know.
RushBaby on September 26, 2008 at 11:28 PM
McCain would have done MUCH better if he had highlighted the Community Reinvestment Act and the role of the Democratic Party in causing our financial crisis with Fannie and Freddie. He should have nailed Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and the donations to Obama from Fannie and Freddie. He should have gone back to the damage the Carter and Clinton did to America in the mortgage crisis. He needs to take the F****** gloves off, name names and give us the straight talk!!!
Star20 on September 26, 2008 at 11:28 PM
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9036/braceletgx6.jpg
Enoxo on September 26, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Take off the red or blue glasses. It doesn’t matter that Obama ended up on the mat. What matters is that he didn’t put himself there. That is all the plebs were looking for, that the man didn’t trip on his shoelaces. It doesn’t matter what the MSM says tomorrow. What matters is that the plebs went to bed after watching the first thirty minutes of the debate.
Limerick on September 26, 2008 at 11:28 PM
:)
Spirit of 1776 on September 26, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Edge to McCain because of the Russia/Georgia segment. Will the average voter see it that way?
SouthernGent on September 26, 2008 at 11:28 PM
A couple of “standouts” from the BO:
What’s his name’s mother, gave me a bracelet, too!
All the little children of the world look at us bad!
Alqeda was not in Iraq, but is in 60 other countries.
Ahhh, let me say this, uhhhhhh,uuuuummmm, ahhhhh about that…….
bloggless on September 26, 2008 at 11:29 PM
Be our guest.
RushBaby on September 26, 2008 at 11:29 PM
Perhaps a win but it didn’t beat the point spread. I think McCain should have pushed harder, on one of these three subjects:
1) Obama’s connection to Jim Johnson et al.
2) the democrat’s fingerprints on this mortage situation
3) His (and Bush’s) attempts to regulate Freddie and Fannie
If McCain could have gotten Obama really on his heels.. Obama would have fallen into a blizzard of “uh um uh” and this debate and possibly the election would be over by knockout.
Micheal on September 26, 2008 at 11:29 PM
I’m saying Obama won by a LOT. Comparing the images of what I want our enemies to see, Obama is much more poised. I don’t support Obama, but I just don’t see me adopting any support for McCain in the near future.
Can’t go to war in Pakistan against the people who perpetrated 9/11, but want to go to war with Russia over Georgia.
ThackerAgency on September 26, 2008 at 11:30 PM
You got early ratings to support that?
I have 3 friends undecided and each of them stayed through the whole debate. Anecdotal, but still.
Spirit of 1776 on September 26, 2008 at 11:30 PM
I’ll tell you how. Because your average man or woman walking down the street is ill-informed and apathetic. “Just as long as so-and-so is looking out for me and mine.” That’s their voting philosophy and if we, the informed and concerned, don’t pound it at every opportunity over the next 40 or so days, those idiots will elect Barack Hussein Obama as President. We’ve gotta overcome what the MSM is shoveling here.
AubieJon on September 26, 2008 at 11:30 PM
McCain came across as a very serious guy
Obama came across as a well polished politician with all the smooth answers
But when Americans are along in the booth – if they think we as a nation could be in trouble….
Kerry and Gore had all the answers were smooth and articulate, seems like – pandering democrats take three
EricPWJohnson on September 26, 2008 at 11:30 PM
John McCain won this debate. Forget the mysterious missing “sound bite”, which appears to be so important to Fred Barnes and Charles Krauthammer. McCain proved that he is a by far, and on all levels, the more knowledgeable, thoughtful and prepared candidate.
Barack Obama would make a disastrous Commander-in-Chief.
sinsing on September 26, 2008 at 11:30 PM
McCain did well tonight – actually won the debate but as the focus group illustrates many people see different things. The msm will spin this as a tie or even slight O win. Hopefully people who can make proper judgement outnumber those that are impaired. That hope is in question these days.
Fuquay Steve on September 26, 2008 at 11:30 PM
I thought McCain did a great job. He is ready to lead.
Did anyone notice Obama’s last comments when he was talking about his father in the 60’s and the notion that anyone can make it here if they try – greatest country in the world – the ideals and values: “I don’t think any of us can say that our standing in the world now – that the way children around the world look at the United States is the same”
Is this another “never really proud of America”?
bobsunshine on September 26, 2008 at 11:30 PM
McCain won, but he should have nuked the Democrats in Congress – the true enemies of the majority of Americans.
fiatboomer on September 26, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Good insight, thanks.
Spirit of 1776 on September 26, 2008 at 11:31 PM
McCain isn’t going to win. This debate goes to Obama.
ThackerAgency on September 26, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Jim Lehrer was pulling Obama’s teeth giving him time and again CLUES what the “answer” to the question was supposed to be.
And Obama just couldn’t get it.
No matter how many tries.
No matter how much time.
Obama was the weenie.
I was so impressed, REASSURED, with McCain!
Obama just delivers memorized lines without ANY comprehension of background or alternatives when questioned. Obama does not know how to use what lines he delivers.
I agree, McCain gave Obama tutorials. That McCain did so with such professional courtesy makes him all the more attractive as a true statesman and great American hero.
maverick muse on September 26, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Jim Lehrer was, refreshingly, unbiased.
He conducted the debate in a very professional manner.
Conservative_SAHM on September 26, 2008 at 11:31 PM
I think it was clear during the Republican primaries he was a Giuliani supporter from the beginning, his comment at the end of his segment proved that point.
Cr4sh Dummy on September 26, 2008 at 11:31 PM
I watched from beginning to end, and I was very impressed with Sen. McCain. The first few minutes, granted, were shaky, but he was honest.
H. Obama, on the other hand, was rattled, uncertain, and unclear at times. He agreed with Sen. McCain on many issues.
But the most telling part of the night, to me, was the bracelet issue. All these months, I’ve see Obama as that kid in class who’ll raise his hand after a question has been asked and answered, and say, “teacher, I was going to say…”
He waits to see what others have said. And tonight, on live national television, I was proven right in my belief.
McCain/Palin ‘08
madmonkphotog on September 26, 2008 at 11:31 PM
McCain did good. He won the debate.
But, it wasn’t enough to help cut into Obama’s lead. And I don’t think he’ll get any bounce out of this at all.
It was stupid that so little time was spent on the economy, given its the #1 topic of the day; but….
McCain was especially disappointing, to me, on the economy issue. I was -really- hoping he had a plan ready for the bailout; present it to the people and get people on his side. He didn’t.
McCain can’t explain tax cuts and how they benefit people. He surprised me with a spending freeze (nice!) but I’m not sure anyone understood or cared.
McCain’s fate is tied to the bailout. He needs to get -his- bill passed (preferrably with his name on it) by the house/senate and signed within days to get back in this thing.
Palin-Biden debate is going to be a debacle, I fear.
lorien1973 on September 26, 2008 at 11:31 PM
As usual, you’re a nutsack. Go climb something very high and jump off.
AubieJon on September 26, 2008 at 11:31 PM
I thought McCain in general had full command of the issues and appeared very presidential. Showed his potential as a tough leader. He missed slamming Obama on tax increases and the meme of “95% of amercians will pay lower taxes. Othe other hand, Obama rambled on and made statements with no relevance to the subject matter. But in the end the spin doctors will try and make this into an Obama victory. But those watching…a clear cut winner. McCain. And trust me, I looked at this as an objective viewer.
joeyb1955 on September 26, 2008 at 11:31 PM
If you don’t like McCain’s tongue, stay out of his mouth.
bloggless on September 26, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Link to Byron York’s Article
Saltysam on September 26, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Did anyone hear Biden say he heard Jefferson give a speech on the radio about the Russian Revolution?
Fuquay Steve on September 26, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Hey, that’s why they televise them. JFK, Nixon. Whatever. I already know McCain’s positions. Comparing how the two make their cases side-by-side, Obama wins hands down. Even disagreeing completely, I at least could stomach listening to Obama for four years.
ThackerAgency on September 26, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Wanna make a friendly wager on that? :) I can’t think of an objective way to determine the winner tho…
Spirit of 1776 on September 26, 2008 at 11:32 PM
LOL….busted!
Nope. No stats. I’m simply going on what I saw, and took, from the debate. Clearly John ended up standing and Barry on one knee, but I don’t think the plebs saw the same debate I did.
Limerick on September 26, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
fiatboomer on September 26, 2008 at 11:32 PM
I will say I LIKED the ’spending freeze’ but McCain should have been able to do some of that while in the Senate.
ThackerAgency on September 26, 2008 at 11:33 PM
where was CRA in the debate should be our big question… McCain should have rung that bell all night….
Kaptain Amerika on September 26, 2008 at 11:33 PM
I’m looking forward to the Palin / Biden debate. I think Palin is going to shock everyone. Let’s just say everything up to that point is a rope-a-dope. And Biden is the dope.
Enoxo on September 26, 2008 at 11:34 PM
bobsunshine
+1
Obama juxtaposed that alongside with his announcement that America no longer enjoys any respect.
Obama The Negate.
maverick muse on September 26, 2008 at 11:34 PM
For the first 20 minutes of the debate I had it:
Obama 0
McCain 0
Lehrer +1
Saltysam on September 26, 2008 at 11:34 PM
If he’s on the teleprompter. He interrupts and demeans people in debates. I’ll pass thanks. I suspect the American people agree with me because people ostracize those people in office-life, but maybe you’re right.
Spirit of 1776 on September 26, 2008 at 11:34 PM
You mean the winner? Or are you suggesting that Obama is ‘cheating’ to win here?
ThackerAgency on September 26, 2008 at 11:34 PM
You won’t be driving that Hummer of yours for a loooooooooong time with the price of energy under an Obama admin. Plus: with your income, Obama’s IRS already has you on their short list.
RushBaby on September 26, 2008 at 11:34 PM
Sorry Ed, I was dissapointed. I was hoping for a knock out, but it didn’t happen. McCain let Obama off the hook too many times. Allowing Obama to say into the mic “that’s not true” and not stopping long enough to ask “what’s untrue” was a mistake.
McCain is now suffering from the same thing as Palin. The ability to rise to the occasion. McCain and Palin react best when it’s thrust upon them. Gut instincts take over and a decision is made. Look at a situation, make a gut call, and BOOM, stuff happens. Palin has plus 80% approval ratings as Governor, McCain has been around forever and is the Repubican nominee for President. They must be doing something right.
So far, McCain and Palin has been much better at that than Obama and Biden.
I think over preparation is a problem. Too many spoons spoil the soup. McCain got where he is without so many spoons. So did Palin. Who needs a spoon now?
Stop the advice, let them speak from the gut. We’ll win this.
Hog Wild on September 26, 2008 at 11:34 PM
Yep. Clearly, McCain doesn’t really have a direction on the bailout right now. And that is very disheartening.
lorien1973 on September 26, 2008 at 11:35 PM
The worst thing anyone could do during a debate is stand there grinning, and shaking their head when their opponent makes a point. Judge Judy knows just what to do with those fools.
bloggless on September 26, 2008 at 11:35 PM
Bing——-G——O!
Limerick on September 26, 2008 at 11:35 PM
There are no spoons!
lorien1973 on September 26, 2008 at 11:36 PM
I can’t believe the number of news agencies calling it for Obama… it defies logic…
Kaptain Amerika on September 26, 2008 at 11:36 PM
If this is true, his campaign will be over.
From what I’ve read, McCain coming to Washington rallied the Republicans to hold up against the Acorn stuff etc.
Spirit of 1776 on September 26, 2008 at 11:36 PM
He should have nailed Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and the donations to Obama from Fannie and Freddie.
I agree. That was in the first few minutes! In those first few minutes, I had almost given up and thought McCain was gonna lose this. That was all there was for Obama, though. Obama did do well those first few minutes,, but only because he gained confidence when he realized McCain answered weakly.
It was all down hill for Obama after that, though.
I think most people would have forgotten that beginning. It’s confusing to most people anyway.
Obama was the clear loser here. I don’t care what any poll says,, there was no way the average guy watched this tonight and gained confidence in Obama.
JellyToast on September 26, 2008 at 11:36 PM
One other note from AJ Strata:
Obama may have let out a national secret when he said North Korea passed nuclear technology to Syrai.
Oh!! Already a McCain ad out:
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/6062
bobsunshine on September 26, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Obama had to lie, often.
Obama never convinced me he was ever proud of America. His dad maybe, but not Barry.
Obama acted like a 15 year old with his snorts and snickers, NOT presidential.
Barry had his bracelet for 3 days? Maybe 3 hours? Had to look at the name…..
Can you imagine the embarrassment of barry hussein going anywhere as our pres? Israel, Britain, Pakistan?
Barry still thinks its Americas fault the world isnt educated He is DEAD WRONG about what kids think of us. Maybe if he looked somewhere other than Palestine or Syria for reaction from kids ( or he should stop watching islamofascist tv videos, more likely)
.
McCain had the right answers and didn’t have to stretch the truth at all.
He COULD and WILL be “presidential” on the first day.
He is more proud of America than himself.
McCain does love the troops.
McCain = winner
shooter on September 26, 2008 at 11:36 PM
McCain has already came out with an ad, all the times Obama said John is right.
Enoxo on September 26, 2008 at 11:37 PM
“I don’t even have a seal yet.”
coldshot on September 26, 2008 at 11:37 PM
He should have been skewering voodoo dolls of Pelosi and Reid at the podium. Congress sucks ass. Make them pay.
fiatboomer on September 26, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Does it surprise anyone to know CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC and CBS would say otherwise? :)
ThePrez on September 26, 2008 at 11:37 PM
There is so much you do not know…about a great many things, my young Jedi apprentice. Heh heh heh….
ManlyRash on September 26, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Is no one outraged because Obama endorses unilateral strikes in Pakistan? Did we hallucinate that statement? Does he really want to bomb Pakistan?
obladioblada on September 26, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Obama was nervous, shaky and could hardly remember the canned answers his handlers drummed into him over the past several days. The left can go ahead and spin it but it won’t change the fact that McCain kicked his butt severely.
rplat on September 26, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Sorry, I wasn’t trying to get you in a gotcha, just don’t buy that people clicked off considering the attention of the nation this week. Maybe Americans are idiots, but that’s not the America I know. I’m not trying to be witty, maybe I’m in for a cold awakening.
Spirit of 1776 on September 26, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Putin would swallow Obama whole. Another issue in the election for those old enough to remember the Soviet Union is whether we’re going to allow it to return or not.
Jim-Rose on September 26, 2008 at 11:38 PM
If McCain won’t go after congress he won’t win.
lorien1973 on September 26, 2008 at 11:39 PM
And thus created the soundbite Barnes thought was missing. Well done, Mac team.
Spirit of 1776 on September 26, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Just keep repeating the same talking point, and eventually all of us will be demoralized and agree with you—–not
You saw what you wanted to see, and cannot explain it substantively. It’s boring……..
Janos Hunyadi on September 26, 2008 at 11:39 PM
As I have posted elsewhere:
“Not that it matters (though I’m sure you’d love to know), my opinion is that McCain won the debate. I thought he was shaky in the beginning on economic issues (though I agreed with everything he said, he didn’t necessarily give confidence on the subject), though survived the section fine. On foreign policy, he did great, as was expected. This is his strong suit and he did well. Obama on the other hand, did okay. Whether the American people will be okay with “okay” will soon be reflected in the polls, yet coming in and going toe to toe with McCain will earn him some points with the American public.
McCain had the advantage tonight (minus the beginning), Obama may have to wait till the last debate (economic focus) to see him gain traction against McCain. “
DanStark on September 26, 2008 at 11:39 PM
We’re good ‘76. I don’t mind the reminder to think before speaking. My wife uses it often. :)
Limerick on September 26, 2008 at 11:39 PM
100% chance Putin has a “CHANGE” bumper sticker on his tank.
fiatboomer on September 26, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Everyone wants to bomb those border regions. We don’t want to -say- we want to bomb it. That’s McCain’s point. Plausible deniability.
lorien1973 on September 26, 2008 at 11:40 PM
I don’t care what anyone says, McCain won. Obama was silly. He pouted, got irritated, made faces and acted like a spoiled child not getting his way.
McCain did not point out that corrupt and greedy Democrats such as The One had a lot to do with the problems in Washington, but I think maybe he wanted to spend more time talking about what he would do rather than placing blame. After all, that is what Democrats are for. Blaming others is their best thing.
I thought McCain’s grilling of Obama over Iran was very good. His statement that a president could not meet a guy like the Ahmedinijad was great…when he says he will destroy Israel, what will you say? No your not
I immediately got this picture of Obama and the nut job going back and forth, will not, will too, will not, will too.
Funny, I laughed at Obama.
Who is Luntz? I have never heard of the guy? After a debate I listen to about 5 minutes of talk and then turn the TV off.
Terrye on September 26, 2008 at 11:40 PM
No, and you can add FOX to that list. After listening to Barnes and few others it looks like FOX has jumped into the tank for Obama and is now nothing more than just another one of the mainstream media gang.
rplat on September 26, 2008 at 11:41 PM
I agree. Jim Lehrer did a spectacular job. He was very professional, appeared to be completely unbiased and the format he created was perfect, as it gave the audience an opportunity to properly evaluate each candidate.
sinsing on September 26, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Obama entered the game we like to call:
Stump the Chump.
HornetSting on September 26, 2008 at 11:41 PM
That’s okay, baby. When you get older you’ll understand the experience thing and its value.
obladioblada on September 26, 2008 at 11:41 PM
For some reason, CRA seems to have evolved into some kind of a Third Rail in this country. Fine, let’s hope the bailout legislation establishes a way to spank unscrupulous lenders. But at the same time, let’s call a spade a spade: too many foreclosures probably involve people who weren’t credit worthy. Get them an apartment. And for those whose eyes exceeded their wallets, tough. These are the dopes of society that the rest of Americans must carry. Let their families and friends help them out. Where I live, a middle-aged woman with a $45,000-a-year salary (county government position, of course) somehow managed to acquire three residences around town with an aggregate fair market value of around $5 million. Sorry, no sympathy here.
BuckeyeSam on September 26, 2008 at 11:41 PM
New McCain Campaign Slogan:
I AGREE WITH JOHN, TOO!
bloggless on September 26, 2008 at 11:41 PM
I admit I was worried about McCain in the beginning, but he got better and better through the debate. For the last half-hour, McCain was very strong, dignified, and reassuring, while Obama sounded like an immature, irrational brat.
I don’t see how anybody but a McCain hater or Obama acolyte could think Obama won this debate.
Loxodonta on September 26, 2008 at 11:42 PM
On foreign policy UhUhbama said he agreed with McCain a couple times. Not because he agrees with McCain but because Uh UHBama had not idea what McCain was talking about.
It was smooth but UhUHBama knew he had no idea what McCain was talking about.
DVPTexFla on September 26, 2008 at 11:42 PM
I do not like the liberal republican.
I absolutely despise the weasel socialist.
After this debate,
I am resigned to getting used to the sound of “President Weasel Socialist”.
paulsur on September 26, 2008 at 11:42 PM
No, there are a lot of Eurotrash kids that think the same thing, it’s not exclusive to Islamic militants.
Cr4sh Dummy on September 26, 2008 at 11:42 PM
Proof in the pudding?
How about a bet? Why don’t we bet that next week this time Obama has a double digit lead primarily because of this debate. I know polls don’t matter when they don’t support your wishes, but lets make a bet please. Let’s make it interesting.
Because I don’t have a dog in this fight.
ThackerAgency on September 26, 2008 at 11:43 PM
The Luntz focus group was filled with morons. We really need IQ requirements for voting.
Speedwagon82 on September 26, 2008 at 11:44 PM
So…. invade a Muslim country with NUKES…….
W.
T.
F.
battleoflepanto1571 on September 26, 2008 at 11:44 PM
I don’t know, I wanted McCain to win, but just didn’t see it. I think He was trying too hard to keep his anger in check and missed too many chances to bloody Obama’s nose.
nazarioj001 on September 26, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Will Gwen Iffel do to Palin what Bernard Shaw did to Dukakis?
Gwen: “If your daughter was raped, would you abort the baby?”
Palin: “No, I wouldn’t. I’m not a doctor”.
SouthernGent on September 26, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Obama: “I agree with John.”
BacaDog on September 26, 2008 at 11:44 PM
dude the drudgereport poll of ‘who won’ keeps getting closer to O’Bama.
bet its the KOS vote
battleoflepanto1571 on September 26, 2008 at 11:45 PM
We learn from our past so that we don’t repeat the same mistakes. Like, Obama will probably never be a community organizer again, or sit in Trinity Church, or do speeches and be friendly with Bill Ayers, or help Father PFlager..again.
HornetSting on September 26, 2008 at 11:45 PM
I’m glad so many people thought McCain won.
The first 20 minutes were cringe worthy, and the number of missed opportunities were too vast for my limited mathematical skills, but he warmed up like my old diesel and got moving at a respectable pace.
I wanted more red meat from McCain. I wanted more stammering and ridiculous answers from The One.
Here are the sound bites:
Spending Orgy
What he doesn’t seem to understand…
and the instant classic,
I have a bracelet too!
Dorvillian on September 26, 2008 at 11:45 PM
Al Yankovic wrote a song for you. “Weasel Stomping Day.”
fiatboomer on September 26, 2008 at 11:45 PM
Darnit. Forgot the link.
BacaDog on September 26, 2008 at 11:46 PM
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